If God can forgive a murderer or child rapist who genuinely repents, but cannot forgive an unbeliever who lived a compassionate and virtuous life, what exactly is being rewarded: goodness or submission?
>>18699612god doesnt reward any works people do. people receive jesus by choosing to believe.
>>18699635The sheep and the goats.
>>18699612>goodnesshumans
>>18699635That's a work though. Only if God forcibly made you believe would this be not the case
>>18699645believing is not being good. the bible says humans are incapable of goodness. believing is a choice and its not good its necessary.
>>18699654>the bible says humans are incapable of goodnessYeah, because the god the bible is about and his prophets were evil and anti human
>>18699664i wouldnt even consider this bait .. tata
>>18699654>the bible says humans are incapable of goodnessThe bible says that there were multiple perfect people God was happy with that kept the law perfectly
>>18699612Repentance means the murderer’s claim to autonomous self-authorship collapses: he stops defending himself as his own source and returns the act, judgment, and future to God. “Unbelief,” in the relevant theological sense, would be the opposite geometry: maintaining the creature as a closed, self-grounding source—even if its biography is morally admirable.So the axis is not bad person who submits vs good person who doesn’t. It is reconciliation vs separation. Good works matter, but they are fruit within the relation, not currency purchasing it.
>>18699685That's such a cattlepilled worldview tho. Like imagine actually viewing yourself as a beast of the field who's only fit to get castrated and yoked lmao
>>18699668perfect in the bible means mature not flawless .. plenty of verses say all have sinned .. also the new testement makes it clear what our good works amount to (used menstral rags per paul) .. everyone in the old testement that was coutned righteous had righteousness reckoned to him despite his sin because of belief .. salvation was always by belief .. once a person has chosen to believe they get eternal life that will never be taken from them and at that point they are capable of doing good works god will accept and are predestined to be conformed to the image of gods son Jesus Christ
>>18699612God is holy, and that means that if you are considered "good" by people that doesn't mean you are good. What you think is good is considered evil by God because of your corrupted nature. Humans are not good on the inside, they are evil. A person who isn't a rapist might be considered good to a human, but God can see every single one of their faults, not only in the past and the present, but in the future as well, and what they would do if their situation was different."For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Rom 3:23)Ecclesiastes 7:20 "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."Jesus Christ is The Lord God in the flesh. He came to Earth in human form, willingly died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. He now offers complete and permanent spiritual cleansing and eternal life to anyone who trusts Him enough to ask Him for it, instead of trusting their own works to be saved. Trust that the work He did is sufficient to pay for you sins, and call upon Him as your Saviour, knowing that you are a sinner, and that without the blood atonement He made, you would go to hell. You might not know what to say, but if you understand that you need Jesus Christ, call upon Him. God will keep His word and save you. God will give you everything that you need to accept salvation as a free gift, as long as you really want it. God is a trinity (1 John 5:7), and no one can come unto God the Father, but by Jesus (John 14:6).www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcRom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
>>18699741i was wrong to think i was the only guy on here who understood salvation was a free gift paid for by jesus christ and was free for the asking. thank you i will never think i m the only one ever again
>>18699741Does anyone actually read these posts? My brain turns off if a see a huge post with random quotes in the middle and a youtube link at the bottom
>>18699758Yes, Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8, 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished (Rom. 3:23-25), so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Rom. 4:5)Here's some stuff that might be interesting to you, the Bible is a miracle and proves that it's the word of God just by it's numerical perfection alone.https://kjvcode.com/https://truthischrist.com/seven/>>18699759God lets you choose if you want the uncomfortable truth that goes against what the evil flesh wants or if you want a lie, and we don't know how much time and how many opportunities we have to choose otherwise and accept the gift of salvation. If salvation was about how well you manage to convince yourself of something, then salvation would be a work which would be a contradiction, it's God who gives you the faith (Romans 10:8 & 17). You can't earn salvation because humans are unholy and evil, salvation has to come from God. If you DON'T WANT to depend on Jesus Christ to be saved, then you can't blame God for not saving you because you didn't want it. Salvation is a free gift Jesus Christ paid for with His blood.So do you want to stay as an enemy of God or will you willingly accept Him? You have limited time to choose.
>>18699764Hmmm, i may be converted to christianity if you wrote out banana in binary atleast 3 times in your next post. As unconventional at this is, i assure you this is essential for my conversion
>>18699612Nobody is good. You're a pedophile, by the way.
>>18699718>perfect in the bible means mature not flawlessNo the bible says many times that these people were flawless and righteous in God's eyes. Only Paul the false apostle disagrees with this.
>>18699792Keep stoking those flames, rodent.
>>18699794Not happening for disagreeing with your conman who deceived the apostles
>>18699695> Like imagine actually viewing yourself as a beast of the field who's only fit to get castrated and yoked lmaoThat’s… not what was said
>>18699794Your posts always make me laugh
>>18699811>blah blah blah I hate Jesus
>>18700310nope I just hate you retard
Its weird to think God would have only revealed sheol or gehenna to jews and told them they would get resurrected, whereas he told later jews they would go to heaven.Needless to say Yahwe is evil, and hes closer to a demon with cosmic superpowers than to a loving God, its like imagine a kid telling his dad he doesnt like the food he cooked and the latter throws venomous snakes at him.>God sent venomous, fiery serpents to bite and kill many Israelites in the wilderness after they grew impatient and complained, saying they hated the Numbers 21:4-9 manna.so like i dont really know if the afterlives of the new testament are supposed to override or abolish the afterlives of the old testament, its weird.
>>18700354This is Gnosticism
>>18699612>if
"I'm angry you don't believe I exist"Is that a normal thing to be angry about? That doesn't make sense.
>>18699612It's almost like the whole point is repentance, you know, because the sin is original.
>>18699612>unbeliever who lived a compassionate and virtuous lifeNo such thing. All humans are corrupt. If you don't ask for forgiveness you'll never be granted it. That was their choice.
>>18700619This guys point is to do what this guy wants. And the whole point of life is to do what is right. And then the whole point of this exercise is to see if this guy is right or not. And if this guy is right or not, what is right remains uncorrupted. Don't fuck it up in my opinion.
>>18700626>All humans are corrupt(Their other humans judge them)
>>18699612>an unbeliever who lived a compassionate and virtuous lifeDefine "virtue".
>>18700647I try to practice a forgetfulness of self, it helps me through my trials. If you have trials remaining, and if you have a self, it should also help you.
>>18700812Abiding by all the "moral law" of the Bible. What now?
