>the greeks were...LE GAYI'm tired of the fagwashing of history
Topping is straight tho
Can you actually provide any evidence of homosexuality being frowned on in pre-christian society?
>>18702094Greeks do act very faggy I would lyk be shocked if they were pederasts who raped boys
>>18702106Even the toppers weren't doing dick in poopoo sodomy like modern freaks. Afaik they did thigh fucking
The greeks were the highest level of homosexual, that of men so utterly contemptuous of women that they only had sex with them in order to produce male heirs, and otherwise devoted all their attention on other men.
>>18702143Based
>>18702094They fagwashed their own history:>I shall speak first about Homer, whom we rank among the oldest and wisest of the poets. He mentions Patroklos and Achilles in many places, but he keeps their erotic love hidden and the proper name of their friendship, thinking that the exceptional extent of their affection made things clear to the educated members of his audience.Aeschines, Against Timarchos 142-3>Aeschylus talks nonsense in claiming that Achilles was in love with Patroclus (rather than the other way around), for Achilles was more beautiful than not only Patroclus but all the other heroes as well; and besides, he was unbearded, and thirdly, far younger than Patroclus, as Homer says. Well, anyhow, though the gods really hold in very high esteem that virtue which concerns love, they wonder, admire, band confer benefits even more when the beloved has affection for the lover than when the lover has it for the beloved.Plato, Symposium 179e-180b
>>18702094Ancient Greece and Rome obviously weren't as gay-friendly as today's West but it's undeniable that they were much more tolerant of same-sex relationships than the christards.
>>18702230Talking in modern terms like “gay friendly” confuses things. They idealised pederastic relationships to a high degree, and gave them religious, dramatic and political prominence and dignity more than modern Westerners give gay stuff. Being attracted to males was not considered effeminate like it is now. On the other hand, though, there was no “gay marriage”, all men were expected to marry and reproduce, and adults who acted effeminately and who enjoyed being passive recipients of anal sex were heavily scorned and stigmatised.
>>18702094read Plato, there's some gay shit in every other dialogue>>18702217You didn't read Symposium. The entire dialogue is made up of several speeches by several different people, and all of them (except Socrates) miss the nature of Eros. One of them even used his speech specifically to talk about the beauty of pederasty lol. And the dialogue ends with Socrates' lover coming over and them flirting.
>>18702094When jews aren't saying the greeks were brownoid, mixed race trash, they're saying that the greeks were white and gay. Its always one of those two things, always.
>>18702094They were. Sorry that culture war means you now have to fly into an incoherent rage about it.
>>18702477>Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews JEWS Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews I AM NOT DERANGED Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews
>>18702494I am not the first person to notice.
>>18702094>the greeks weren't gay because....I hatw fags!Woah. Actual historians and authentic records btfo by this one butthurt shartytroon from the 21st century.>>18702477>jews called me gay because I wuz literally a Greek n shietHoly shit nigga give it a rest.
>>18702233>They idealised pederastic relationships to a high degree, and gave them religious, dramatic and political prominence and dignityHow did the whole thing started? It seems so alien to me as a 21st century person. Even in ancient times it was pretty unique, right?
#TheFinalRedPill
>>18703153Pederasty is surprisingly widespread and common historically - you encounter it a lot in the Islamic Middle Ages, in feudal Japan and China, in Africa, in Polynesia. That being said, the Greeks do seem to have been aware of its special significance in their society as compared with others, which Romans and Jews also commented on
Heeeelp!
Buggery was widespread in Greece, but it was never so socially acceptable that it was something you would publicly brag about doing.
>>18703171Jews BTFO
>>18703171holy cope
>>18703171geg
Modern gays fuck men because they are disgusting degenerates.Ancient Greeks turned to men for meaningful relationships because they hated women as a culture. They are not the same.
>>18702094Yes and No. The Greeks weren't gay and saw fags and homos as less than people. However, they didn't see as much of a problem with a man topping a servant or their charge. Often just looking the other way. Then it became a classic sign of power and status. However it was seen as a past time, not "love" just something to do to get off and not "cheat" while the wife was knocked up or recovering for childbirth. Plus often enough their marriage was political not out of love
>>18703911i'm sure criminals use the same cope in prison
>>18703915This is more true of Ancient Rome than Greece. It was explicitly a love relationship in Greece and hubristic domination of other males was heavily frowned upon. Just read Plato’s dialogues
>>18703398actually Plato in the Symposium says that there is a double standard: “lovers” (tops/older males) are congratulated for their sexual conquests but “beloveds” (bottoms/younger males) are frowned upon if they give in too easily. It’s the classic key vs lock distinction
>>18702094Some particularly sexually violent inmates of modern prisons will philosophize about what they did and maintain sexual relationships with women once they get out, while ceasing homosexual relations, in this case it might be inaccurate to even call these examples homosexuals. In this sense you can think of pretty much the entire antique world as an open air prison, and its homosexuals as only the most depraved and violent of these men.
>>18702501Note how 90% of the time it's just due to them being a minority and nothing else.
There's nothing wrong with being gay, chud
>>18705069log off tourist
>>18702094Spartans said that gay sex was a no-no. You could love men and even be physically intimate to some extent. But you couldn’t fuck him. They saw it as detrimental to military discipline and morale or something. But there’s some debate if they effectively just had a “don’t ask, don’t tell” attitude. Athens, on the other hand, was basically the San Francisco of antiquity.
>>18705074I'd say Thebes was closer to basically being San Francisco as according to Xenophon man and boy could live together like married people. Athens would be closer to the "don't ask don't tell" attitude but with elites that all practice it to some degree.
>>18705137Alexander truly did the entirety of Greece a favor when he wiped Thebes off the map.
>>18705142>Alexander’s destruction of Thebes was divine wrath for gaysLatest redpill
