Why do Jews treat God like a computer they can hack in order to circumvent his laws?Do they think God is stupid and won't notice?
yes and they're right
>>18717396I’ve seen arguments from Jews that God actually wanted this so people can “understand the law better”, idk how valid that argument is though
How does one get this job?
>>18717396A few things. They believe the world is sort of like a legalistic simulation where their every move is tracked. So they might spend 1000$ on a religious ritual that seems totally non-sensical to the non-religious, but they believe they get blessed for it, so the money spent is returned to them many times over, and it is actually everyone who is being foolish by missing out on this free "karma hack" of the simulation. Multiply that line of thinking by every other strange rule and ritual they do. As an example, try shutting off your lights and electricity and stay inside your house studying Torah every Shabbat - and see if you life changes in positive ways. Each mitzvah has its own reward, but its not always obvious what the reward might be. For one thing the darkness on Shabbat can lead to a deep feeling of rest and gives better sleep as the melatonin production resets for the day - but there are many deeper spiritual reasons for the design of the entire day. Destroying angels are set out on Shabbat, so all work on Shabbat is cursed. Many Jews might notice if they do financial research on Shabbat, that their financial research for the entire week is destroyed, but if they study Torah on Shabbat, especially the books known to have financial blessings, then the entire week is blessed with miraculous success they could never have achieved on their own. There is also a flow of divine energies, of Keter and Binah, into the world on Shabbat, so that the entire week is nourished based on the activities of Shabbat. Many people spent their Saturday getting drunk, which cuts off the flow of divine energy. Some of the benefits of Shabbat are specifically mentioned by the prophets: that the king will dwell in Jerusalem and cause it to prosper - which also has the spiritual meaning of the divine presence is especially accessible on Shabbat. There's entire books of commentary written on things like this - so the rules are seen as very meaningful.
>>18717398>Sends Titus ro raze your temple (as was prophesized) >Sends Quietus to thin your numbers>Sends Hadrian to eradicate the rest>Sends earthquakes to fllatten your rebuild attempt sanctioned under Julian>Installs muzzies on the site for the forseeable futureInb4 2 more weeks cope. Their birthrates are higher, the "jews" who breed don't fight >gives you tay-sachs, schizophrenia, humped back, hooked schnozz>still have to pay the tip Yeah, they sure showed God what's what
>>18717434But God talked to them according to their own scripture. And God created angels to, which also talked to them. So they must know neither God nor the angels are mindless automatons?Why would they think that's a good way to interact with them?Imagine you're a divine being and the Jews treat you like a slot machine.
>>18717396To be honest 'yeah god stopped caring about all that autistic shit when he sent his son to save humanity' isn't really a better cop out
>>18717463>'yeah god stopped caring about all that autistic shitI think the Jesus message there was more along the lines of "yeah maybe follow the spirit of the law".But then Paul and his gang decided you don't have to follow 99.9% of the law.
>>18717396because the traditions and rituals that signal dedication to ethnic survival and continuity are more important than the spirit of the religion.
>>18717480It's still god going from seething over two different fabrics being used in the same garment or eating shellfish to 'oh, yeah, I don't give a shit about that stuff anymore'
>>18717485Parenting isn't easy sometimes. Being strict clearly didn't work. The kids started digging tunnels.
>think God wants you to wear a hat because "because the Divine Presence is always over your head.">wear the tiniest hat imaginable>sometimes transparentAt this point it's almost an insult. If you don't want to wear a hat, don't wear a hat.
>>18717396Because through evolutionary selection they optimized/were optimized for an autistic lawyer/banker personality type, thus leading to their original tribal magick-esque laws and customs being reinterpreted in this new way. They see it as an "achievement" to circumvent these in a clever way as it's a manifestation of a cunning type of intelligence
>>18717629They do the same shit with hair when it comes to their womenThey shave their head after marriage (which was obviously meant to make them look unattractive so they wont tempt other men) but they put on a wig anyway
>>18717635They're not supposed to do that, they're just supposed to cover their heads (which God probably did not intend to be with a wig but they all use wigs anyway).The head shaving is just a cultural thing some Jewesses to make the wigs fit better.
>>18717396Christians did this for thousands of years and you fall over yourself to call them based BASED.
>>18717629>don't want to wear a hat>does so anywayAnd this is bad?
>>18717683They did?
>>18717702Why do you think catholics eat fish on Fridays? Also ducks and beavers are fish, because they just are fuck you.
>>18717629There are jews that wear the huge fur hats all day long in all seasons though? Honestly seems like it would be a huge pain
>what if we put a loaf of bread on a dead man's stomach, then all his sins will transfer into the bread and if we get a poor guy to eat the bread and kick the shit out of him, the dead guy will go to heaven!This is what Christians actually believe.
>>18717728>Jews aren't one person but actually many people with different opinions, tastes and personalitiesI know this may come as shock to you
No, they think God isn't stupid and knew the implications of his own laws when he dictated them to Moses. Why do goyim think God is stupid?
>>18717808So he dictated rules that are intentionally annoying in hopes that you would try to circumvent them?
>>18717709I agree that's similar, but that fish on friday rule isn't even in the bible. It's not a rule that was supposedly handed down from God himself.Also just because the Christians are doing it, doesn't mean it's less insulting if Jews do it (on a much grander scale by the way). That's just whataboutism.
>>18717942They want to get around respect for Christ's sacrifice to fill their own hedonistic bellies, ergo they are spitting on Christ himself.
>>18717396They are blinded and therefore only way to make them stop is to get a message from God for them what is going to happen to them and Israel if they don’t stop.They do absolutely want to meet the Antichrist face to face. They want to meet the one who will bring them to hell and destroy all flesh. I can’t think of a movie where this literally happens to Jews and they just keep turning blind eyes to everything that happens. Think of a cult that worships the Creator, living on a planet. They have decided they WANT to see humanity become exterminated and to meet the one who will do it and justify himself. They rejected the guy who instead allowed them to kill him as the sacrifice, hardening themselves to the idea that the way of Noah is right: kill everyone else, preserve our self.To a real believer in God’s Word, Jews look like fools, or religious unbelievers who don’t even know what the kjv bible really says, but they stubbornly think God pulled the rug out from under them when it is really not the case at all. They just didn’t want to listen and are willing to justify their sin with pride. They continue to surround themselves with fictional friends to protect them from reaching the true God to speak to them. Hence why Catholics and Protestants were created which aren’t biblical characters on the side of God in the Word. There is only christians who preach the truth to the Jews, and those who are letting the Jews believe and worship something else (the other savior I talked about). Hence why Jesus Christ has a rainbow around his throne in heaven that glows like an emerald. It represents God’s precious promises to escape being condemned by believing in the blood of Jesus Christ he shed on the cross for your sins.
>>18717930>keeping laws is circumventing themWhy are christcucks like this?
>>18718113The shit in the OP image is "keeping law"? I'll leave God to judge you for this kind of bullshit.
>>18718163Show me where it's not.
>>18718343You're proving anon right over here >>18717634Just because you can circumnavigate the earthly legal system does not mean you can do the same in front of an omniscient omnipotent being. All lies and falsehoods will be laid bare.
>>18718433>keeping laws is circumnavigating themWhy are christcucks like this?
>>18718466If you are not keeping the spirit of the law, then you are not keeping the law. If the law is "don't drink from this lake" and you dig a pipe into the lake, pump the water into another lake and then drink from the water, then you technically did not break the law, but you are not keeping the spirit of the law. Do you not comprehend this? I'm genuinely worried about your mental state.
>>18717396They aren't circumventing jack shit, though. They are literally following the laws, every single thing they do is in line with them. The eruv thing is imo the most extreme example of this. Because the logic with the fishing line over the neighborhood is kind of strained. But everything else makes a fair amount of sense.>>18717405The underlying rationale is that a god with the characteristics of the Jewish God would not design a Law with holes in it. Hence anything that can be done is permited because an all-knowing God already foresaw it and permitted it when making the Law.>>18717480I sdon't think the spirit of the Law thing really works in a framework where you are actually expected to follow the levitical laws. And I doubt he necessarily meant it that way.There isn't a clear guideline on what the spirit of the Law is, so the scenario you ar eput into is one where you basically have to figure out what god hypothetically wants you to do with no way of finding out you are mistaken. If you get it wrong you are just fucked.
>>18718482>If the law is "don't drink from this lake" and you dig a pipe into the lake, pump the water into another lake and then drink from the water, then you technically did not break the lawYou did, because you drank from the lake. And when you carry stuff through an Eruv, you're keeping it inside a private domain hence keeping the law.A valid instance of le epick pilpul Moishe loophole to not follow the law is when the law says "don't eat pork" and you go "no no no no no, you don't get it, although the law isn't abolished, it's 'fulfilled' so I don't have to follow the bits I don't like even though Jesus and Paul say all commandments still apply."
>>18718502I think the point is that God wants to test the orientation of your heart, and your love for his commandments. You cant really say you love them if you constantly try to find ways to weasel out of them. Its more about testing that, than your ability to perform mental gymnastics. Its exactly as this anon said it here >>18718482
>>18718512Jesus said its fine to eat pork though. Check Mark 7:15-19
>>18718520Hey, psst. The chapter begins at verses 1 and 2, and Matthew 15:20 makes it abundantly clear what Jesus was talking about. Did you think I wouldn't notice you left those verses out?
>>18718543There doesnt seem to be any contradiction there? You are not defiled by what you eat. Both gospels make it clear. Mark even went a step further and added a little addendum with the implications of His statement for slow people like you.>(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
>>18718512>You did, because you drank from the lake.The law was "don't drink from this lake", but it's a different lake when you drink the water, so it's technically not breaking the law.It's the same kind of bullshit argument as redefining an entire city as being part of the "private domain" so you can perform the same action that would normally be considered a burden/labor and somehow not break the sabbath. The spirit of the law is: don't carry stuff from the inside of your house to the outside or vice versa, because that's too close to labor and you're not supposed to work on sabbath.
>>18718513That's not the point of the commandments. That's a bunch of Christian gobbledygook with no relation to Judaism's interaction with its God. They also aren't weaseling out of anything. The contrived Jewish logic you are decrying here is also used to determine whether pressing a button or carrying your keys constitutes as work, it creates both the problem and the solution. So if you throw out the Jewish logic that leads to the solution you'd also have to throw out the problem. Which obviously is more or less the Christian standpoint, but you can't accuse someone of following their religion badly because they aren't stopping their train of thought halfways.
>>18718482>>18718513Nta but your lake example presumes that you know “the spirit of the law.” It may seem on its face like the commandment to not drink from the lake is to prevent you from drinking the water completely, but could it not be a warning to not drink still water instead?
>>18718584Though, I will say the whole covenant fulfillment nonsense (or if you are a Dispensationalist, abrogation entirely) should weigh heavier on your conscience than it does. Even if it's all true, it follows that God can unilaterally invalidate your religion at any point.
>>18718595Considering the example set by the Jews. It could have already been abrogated, and you wouldn't know.
>>18718590Yes, you should investigate what the spirit of the law is. Or if you can't figure it out, then don't try to circumvent it. That's kind of the point. Otherwise you might end up technically following the law, but you are not fulfilling the purpose of the law, or you are even actively working against the purpose of the law. Maybe the water tastes great, but it's a slow acting poison. You should not drink from it at all. That would be the spirit of the law, but you were only interested in not violating the literal words of the law and end up poisoned, together with everyone else who drinks from the second lake.Or maybe an extremely rare animal lives in the first lake and you are not supposed to disturb it. In both scenarios digging a pipe and pumping the water to another lake would be going against the purpose of the law, but the crafty pump-operator only cared about the words of the law.The Sabbath rules aren't even that mysterious. People are not supposed to work. So don't try to find sneaky ways to somehow perform work anyway, or just admit you can't fulfill the law. At least that would be honest and not insult the intelligence of an observer, be it human or divine.
>>18718552>There doesnt seem to be any contradiction there?Who said there was, droolo retardo?>You are not defiled by what you eat.True. And Jews don't eat pork because the law prohibits it.>Mark even went a step further and added a little addendum with the implications of His statement for slow people like you.>>(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)Are you claiming Jesus... contradicted Leviticus? Cause you said earlier "there doesnt seem to be any contradiction there." I don't see any contradiction because I know Jews bless their food before eating all the time. ;)>>18718560>The law was "don't drink from this lake", but it's a different lake when you drink the water, so it's technically not breaking the law.Retard, it's still water from the lake.>It's the same kind of bullshitIt's not. You're just coping because you think God is stupid (enjoy hell).
>>18718679>Who said there was, droolo retardo? Uh... you did? Why are you bringing up Matthew 15:20 as some sort of gotcha then? I know you are baiting but still. Or at least I hope you are.
>>18717396It’s not circumventing, it’s more like being resourceful with understanding and interpreting the law while staying true to its boundaries. And of course the God notices, and as tradition says, he can even be impressed by how his creations work.
>>18718742For me, the Oven legend is trying to illustrate how Halakha can only come from scripture, and not from 'signs' or even private revelation. Which, imo, is a very good lesson to teach from a Jewish POV.
>>18717480>yeah maybe follow the spirit of the lawbut this is exactly what Jews believe too, this is why the Talmud exists
>>18717930Uh its complicated anon. >So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.’One interpretation of the mindset is that by obeying the letter of the law you get the material reward, but by obeying the spirit of the law you get the spiritual reward. So Jews obey the letter of the law.
>>18717396At least theoretically from a manichean Augustinian point of view the Christian logos is the logos after the Greek computer has crashed and where the Christian computer keeps running but the Christian logos is always scribing and reinscribing things is sort of what the gnostics and Augustine espoused at the time although how Augustine thought about inscription is a thing I half way remember Derrida talking about but all this stuff is covered with runes from the scholastics who intervene temporally chronologically before Augustine and the broken Greek Christian computer and be that as it may I understand that Maimonides codified a lot of mainstream Aristotelian stuff and stuff for the Greek Aristotle Al-Farabi computer and the degree to which the agent intellect inscribes data is probably limited by the field equations is what I would probably expect anyway and a thing about this is that olde greek machina is probably also filled with greek daimons which is part of the lesson of the renaissance also after when those greek daimons and computers are awakened again during the italian renaissance and the northern renaissance
>>18718975Temporally and chronologically before to us who live at the very utmost of the now of this twenty first century and always to most cases experience augustine’s theories as mediated through the scholastic understanding and theological point of view although historically Augustine’s theories appear and occur before the scholastic who historically occur and appear after the scholastics but the scholastics were the agency that compiled a few of Augustine’s theories is what I could claim
>>18718996The scholastics, who historically occur and appear historically after and subsequent to Augustine and the Manicheans
