Just started reading an English translation of the Quran.Compared to the Bible, seems very logical and easy to understand one God and alone he is to be worshipped.
>>18718920The Islamic God would be very limited from Aristotleâs Prime Mover Argument from Causality is the Matter to this Issue and Creation though
>>18718924All creation depends on Allah. His desire to create does not limit him, he is independent of creation.
>>18718948You literally think God has a body which is polytheism. You also worship a black stone and giant cube. Your false prophet was a pedophile warlord who is in hell.
>>18718920I had the same Quran copy, which I got for free online. Felt good wiping my ass with it.
>>18718958>You also worship a black stone and giant cube. Your false prophet was a pedophile warlord who is in hell.While that is true, if you're Christian then you worship a dead rabbi prophet who claimed to be one with Yaweh (god of Israel) which isn't any better frankly. Say what you want about the cube but the cross is a symbol of torture and death in Christianity.I don't like Muslims either but all Abrahamic traditions, including Christianity, produce retarded nonsense for dimwits. Give credit where credit is due.
>>18719072>the cross is a symbol of torture and death in Christianity. Wrong. You're a low IQ circumcised golem
>>18719081Every church has Jesus depicted on a cross. Crucifixion is not something which represents wholesomeness or anything that resembles virtue. >Wrong. You're a low IQ circumcised golemWorthless ad-hom response. Betrays your lack of understanding on the subject matter.The cross is a symbol of torture and death. It was already so before Christianity was invented out of Jerusalem. Christians special little dead rabbi is famous for suffering and dying on a cross. That's not "wrong" retard.Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all religions which follow false prophets & fantasize about the creation + end of the world. They all contain really gross cult symbolism which they pretend is holy and divine. Christianity isn't any better than Islam.
>>18719099>The cross is a symbol of torture and deathAnd Christians use it to represent Christ overcoming torture and death, you dumb fuck.
>>18718920Mashallah brother
>>18719099Absolutley idiotic take. It shows you don't know the first thing about Christianity.
>>18718920Your Allah doesn't listen to you, enjoy Tartarus
>>18719236Wrong.>O My servants, who have transgressed against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the All-Forgiving, the Most Merciful (39:53)
>>18718920The Koran respects the dignity of the reader and does not presume anything about them, which I liked. It's easy to see why Bedouins see it as a guide to living life. The Bible on the other hand felt like a guide to swindle a bunch of people into paying you money. It presumes the reader to be literate in a time where literacy was a privilege, and assumes that they are in a privileged position of sorts. Not to mention, you will find your own salvation is paywalled in the Bible; you are told to do certain things certain ways, and each translation has a different interpretation. Koran on the other hand builds you up and presumes you will act piously without setting a precedent or expectation.
>>18718920this "pretending to be an outsider and praising your own religion" schtick did not work for the jehovist and will not work for you.
>>18718958First off you're wrong even about atharis who do use analogical predication (see pic) and that's not even the definition of polytheism moron. Polytheism is simply "the belief in or worship of more than one god or deity" it says nothing about what that deity is like. Trinitards like you are the ones which say God has a body, you literally believe he took on a human body. And that he now permanently has a human cock and balls lol. Beside that you also have the likes of eastern orthodox which believe in uncreated birds (theophany of the Holy Spirit) and other such nonsense. You will never be able to explain how we worship anything other than God. If you think merely praying in one direction or thinking certain actions forgive sins then you're going to have to call your biblical prophets idolaters. Also nice try attempting to shift the topic with your bullshit claim about the prophet at the end. You really wanna go there as a christcuck who believes your godman ordered the rape of innocent children during war time?
Go away Pakistranny
Most of the Quran is how great Allah is or how Allah is going to punish the infidels.
It's scary to try to search for the truth in this world, especially if you will be killed for it: âWhoever changes his religion, kill him.â (Hadith 9:57)However, there is nothing that proves that Quran is the turth.At the end of his life Mohammed said: âBy Allah, though I am the apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me.â (Vol 5:266 Hadith).Mohammed was not a prophet. He didnât predict one single prophecy during his lifetime or after he was dead.The Bible is a history book, verified by those who saw the events unfold. The Koran is not that way. It is an illiterate, epileptic egomaniac in a cave listening to an unclean spirit describe supposedly historic events from over 4,000 years before Mohammed was born. On top of that, there is not one shred of evidence that anything the Koran describes in history is true, unless it was stolen from the Bible.Jesusâ disciples fled when He was betrayed by Judas Iscariot. They were nowhere to be found when He was crucified. However, fifty days later, they were boldly proclaiming that Christ had risen from the dead. They went out and turned the world upside down for Jesus Christ. Something changed their lives. If one assumes it was some type of conspiracy then, it has to be explained how these disciples could have been fooled.If they were part of the conspiracy then what motivated them to spend the rest of their lives knowingly promoting this fraud? Especially when preaching about the risen Christ resulted in their persecution and eventual death. It does not make any sense. They could have lived comfortable lives in the world if they just stopped.Confirmed by prophecy, attested by God through miracles, and risen from the dead to glory, there is no one we ought to trust more than Jesus as to who God is. And Jesus points us back to the Bible and to the one, true God found therein, and confirms for us that the Triune God of Christian Scripture is the one true God.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>18719110>And Christians use it to represent Christ overcoming torture and death, you dumb fuck.He didn't overcome it though. He was tortured and killed on the cross. That's a form of manmade punishment which he submitted to, because there was nothing his god could to do protect him.He didn't ascend to Hebrew heaven after he died on the cross. That part of the story is obviously mythology. >but some Jews said that some women said they saw him walk out of the tomb!Tragic that's all it takes to convince a Christoid. >>18719224Christianity is easy to understand. It's a badly written Jewish religion which Christians pretend isn't Jewish. You just don't like the way other people understand the true (Jewish) nature of Christianity. It's an emotional investment for you to deny it, but only a matter of facts and history for everybody else. So when someone disagrees and points out things you don't like about your beliefs, such as the history and the meaning of the symbols, you take offense on a emotional level. Saying I'm wrong doesn't prove me wrong, retard. Demonstrate that I'm wrong with facts and logic, if you can, or else save your worthless responses and spare the internet your brainrot.
>>18718920>Compared to the Bible, seems very logical and easy to understandOnly a total liar can read the Quran once and claim this.
>>18719809>Mohammed was not a prophet. He didnât predict one single prophecy during his lifetime or after he was dead.>âVerily, you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful army will that army be, and what a wonderful commander will that conqueror be.â
>>18719928Not necessarily. It's a lot shorter than the bible and more condensed. But it's clearly a plagiarism. Gives a brief overview of some of the old testament prophets. But claims they were all sinless. Which clearly was not true. Especially David and so on.Weird gnostic view on the crucifixion that Jesus only appeared to be crucified and someone took his place fooling everyone else. Other weird passage that Jesus as a baby could engage in conversation.
>>18719809Their comrade who was very chill and cool got mcfucking murdered by the Romans and the Pharisees for no good reason. Iâd be enraged and ready to cause a ruckus in his name against der juden and the R*oman authority
>>18719809>doesn't even know how to properly cite hadith and yet believes he knows anything about Islamic jurisprudence regarding apostasylol, why does God in the bible tell you to do this to the people you love while the Quran 2:256 says "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood..." and the asbab al-Nuzul "revealed when some new Muslims tried to force their Jewish and Christian children to convert to Islam after the Prophetâs emigration (Hijrah) to Medina. The verse prohibits forced conversion.">At the end of his lifeNope! The companion spoken of in that hadith (Uthman ibn Maz'un) died 3 AH while the prophet died 11 AH. That's almost a decade. In fact at the end of his life "...The Prophet (ï·ș) said: 'Every year Gabriel used to revise the Qur'an with me once only, but this year he has done so twice. I think this portends my death, and you will be the first of my family to FOLLOW ME.' So I started weeping. Then he said. 'Don't you like to be the chief of all the ladies of PARADISE or the chief of the believing women? So I laughed for that" - https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3623>He didnât predict one single prophecy during his lifetime or after he was deadhttps://www.provingislam.com/proofs/101-fulfilled-prophecies-1>The Bible is a history book, verified by those who saw the events unfoldLost of books in the bible were not even written by eye witnesses of anything. Even about your most important events it specifically says Matthew 26:56 "Then all the disciples deserted him and fled." and Mark 14:50 "Then everyone deserted him and fled." at his arrest and when he was supposedly crucified Luke 23:49 "stood at a distance". Speaking of that they don't even agree on who was there. Earlier verse says it was "everyone who knew him" but then we also have Mark 15:40 "some women", Matthew 27:55-56 "many women", John 19:26-27 "Mary + 1 unknown disciple (maybe John)" Why in the world should I trust these accounts at all?
>>18720277>an unclean spiritMuhammad exorcised unclean spirits and Jesus argues that this cannot be possible if you were colluding with them Matthew 12:22-28>On top of that, there is not one shred of evidence that anything the Koran describes in history is trueThe Quran fixes many historical blunders of the bible, like the exodus' ~1 million people or how the Bible uses the word "Pharaoh" indiscriminately for Egyptian monarchs across different eras. And speaking of them it records their prayers where they falsely claim the heavens and earth weep for them>it has to be explained how these disciples could have been fooledEasy, they thought he died (because they weren't there or were far away as we have seen and you yourself agree) and then they saw him walk again. They were mistaken to think he died at all and not just saved. The bible says they were spooked as if they thought they saw a ghost so Jesus made them feel him that he was indeed alive Luke 24:39 They didn't even believe the news that he "came back to life" meaning they did not expect such a thing at all despite the later embellishments in the bible making Jesus constantly talk about it (because Paul needed it for his innovated salvation mechanism that exists nowhere in the OT) >resulted in their persecution and eventual deathMost are extremely late reports, but of the more reliable ones we actually find Judaizers like James being persecuted.>They could have lived comfortable lives in the world if they just stopped.So could have the prophet and his companions if they abandoned their message against idolatry, but hypocrites like you of course will simply skip over that>Confirmed by prophecy, attested by God through miraclesJust like the final prophet. wow it's almost as if both were prophets of God!>confirms for us that the Triune God of Christian Scripture is the one true GodIs that why the earliest Christians had no idea of such a deity for hundreds of years? Including your church fathers?
>>18720019>But it's clearly a plagiarism. The Quran was never claimed to be an original message, so that's a non argument >Gives a brief overview of some of the old testament prophets. But claims they were all sinless. Where is it claimed in the Quran that the Prophets were sinless?
>>18720281>Where is it claimed in the Quran that the Prophets were sinless?Ismah - many scholars in Islam hold to the view that prophets are protected from major sins such as Adultery. Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:67): "O Apostle! Deliver what has been revealed to you from your Lord; and if you do it not, then you have not delivered His message, and Allah will protect you from the people..."
>>18720288>major sinsnta but that's not all sins, Jonah for example calls himself a wrongdoer"And ËčrememberËș when the Man of the Whale stormed off Ëčfrom his cityËș in a rage, thinking We would not restrain him. Then in the Ëčveils ofËș darkness he cried out, âThere is no god Ëčworthy of worshipËș except You. Glory be to You! I have certainly done wrong.â - https://quran.com/al-anbya/87and also was deemed blameworthy and punished until he sought repentance "... Then the whale engulfed him while he was blameworthy. Had he not ËčconstantlyËș glorified ËčAllahËș, he would have certainly remained in its belly until the Day of Resurrection...." - https://quran.com/as-saffat/139-148?startingVerse=141
>>18718920The quran confirms the earlier scriptures (the Torah and Injeel) that existed at the time of Mohammed and tells Jews and Christians to judge by those scriptures and tells Muslims that if they ever doubt the quran they should ask Christians about prophecies of Mohammed in the Bible. The quran is filled with references to events in the Torah, but it gets nearly all of the details wrong. Since it contradicts the Bible, it is false. Muslims say that the Torah and Injeel have been corrupted, but if they have been corrupted the quran is false, because it confirms the earlier scriptures and says that they are the word of God and that this cannot be corrupted. Christians can find no mention of Mohammed in the Bible, so the quran is wrong and a false book. We also have manuscripts from before the time of Mohammad, which shows that the Bible has not been corrupted at any point.There is nothing logical about Islam. It is a false religion.The good news is that since Islam is false, and since it is the authority by how we determine this fact, this means that Christianity is the Authoritative Truth over Islam.Believe in Jesus as a Prophet, Messiah and Saviour. You should convert now and not go to Hell.
>>18720330*and since Christianity is the authority by how we determine this fact
>>18719912>It's a badly written Jewish religion???jews did not exist in 0 AD.
>>18720330>Islam.Believe in Jesus as a Prophet, Messiah and Saviour. You should convert now and not go to Hell.Wtf. That shit of "Islamic dilemma" doesnt make sense, because coran spent almost all al buqara surah (the larges) talking about the ones who corrupted the scriptures.
>>18720462>jews did not exist in 0 AD.Really? Dang, the people in Jerusalem who followed a Jewish prophet named Jesus didn't know that! You gotta cut them some slack! It's not their fault they identified as Jews, despite not existing during that time!You're very smart huh. You sure know a lot about history!
>>18720330>The quran confirms the earlier scriptures (the Torah and Injeel) that existed at the time of MohammedAnd at the same time directly corrects the false claims in your remnants of these scriptures, meaning it cannot confirm the particular version of the pentateuch or the 4 biographies in your canon>they should ask ChristiansWhich verse? Most of the ones Christians use are in reference to those that were former Christians and have become believers>Since it contradicts the Bible, it is false.That doesn't follow and you're just begging the question. Your random collection of texts you call the bible is not exactly what was revealed to the prior prophets. It's impossible for it to be the case lol, or you think Moses was writing after his death>that this cannot be corruptedAgain which verse? Most of the verses used by you lot are just talking about the promise of God and the like.>Christians can find no mention of Mohammed in the BibleIs that why Rabbis converted? btw Jesus cannot find Jesus in their bible>We also have manuscripts from before the time of Mohammad, which shows that the Bible has not been corrupted at any point.You do indeed have manuscripts before his time and those are the most damning. Go find the johannine comma and/or pericope adulterae in the earliest mansucripts>There is nothing logical about Islam. It is a false religion.No that's just a false claim. If you want to talk logic we can easily point out actual logical contradictions imposed by the incarnation and how the doctrine of the trinity requires a violation of the principle of the transitivity of identity and the indiscernibility of identicals>Christianity is the Authoritative Truth over Islam.The Quran says otherwise, it even makes Christians follow Islamic laws>Believe in Jesus as a Prophet, Messiah and Saviour.We already do. Prophets invite to salvation "O my people! How is it that I invite you to salvation, while you invite me to the Fire!" - Quran 40:41
>>18720641*Jews cannot find Jesus in their bible, but the former is not strictly wrong either. Matthew 2:23 says the prophets spoke of someone who âwill be called a Nazareneâ but no such verse exists in the Hebrew bible. And Christians believe Matthew was inspired by God (who is also Jesus according to them) as was the rest of the bible. Meaning Jesus could not place in his own book a reference to his own prophecy that he will later use. And if you want to cope with the similarity to "Netzer" then we can also use that type of reasoning lol
>>18720572>wewuzzLower your voice when talking to me, talmudfreak
>>18718958>Your false prophetShalom, I didnt know you were Jewish!..aha and neither did (((You)))!
>>18719072>Director's noteNotice, thread, that the cornerstone of his worldview is the Synogogue of Satan, thus everything he knows will be built from (((Them))).Golem, he is a slave in (((THEIR))) house.
>>18720803Everything Jesus and his apostles believed in came from interpretations of Hebrew scripture. Christians are taught that Jews have authority on "the correct interpretations". Jewish Christians were the first Church Fathers in Christianity. The first churches are born out of Jerusalem in private Jewish homes.Jesus was a rabbi "messiah" born in a Jewish city, who led only Jewish followers during his lifetime. Some Jews didn't like him, other Jews loved him and believed him to be their savior and they called themselves Christian. Your cope is to call anybody who notices the Jewish nature of Christianity "a jew". It's as ironic as it is brainrotten. You worship a dead rabbi
>>18720796Get your facts straight then, retard. The Abrahamic traditions which taught you to believe in propaganda about history are doing you no favors here. Jews existed before 0 common era. They were despised, as were 1st century ((Christians)). I don't worship a pedophile, I'm not a muslim. But if you're a Christian then you worship a dead rabbi who taught Jews how to manipulate goyim(you) into adopting their traditions.
>>18720814You are a Semite convert, you worship Judas Iscariot (Jeffery Epstein). You chose this. He are you "corner stone", you have rejected Jesus.>Your cope>"i'M a PsYcHoLoGiSt NoW!"You are of your father the Devil who's native tongue is lies, and you believe those lies...>the Jewish nature of ChristianityCovetous shekel hoarding and egocentrism? Hazzah, much Christ like!See....youre brainwashed and a Goyminal-Golem, your GOD is Satan and this makes you a slave to the Synogogue's message.
>>18720019Plenty of quran verses don't even make sense. This is why they have to add "explanations" in brackets.>The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslimsâand Orientalistsâwill tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensibleâif it can't even be understood in Arabicâthen it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is notâas even speakers of Arabic will tell youâthere is a contradiction. Something else must be going on.[1]
>>18720916>The Koran claims for itself...then post the verse, not some dude rambling his ignorance.
>>18719912>because there was nothing his god could to do protect him.Jesus literally is God though he willingly let them do it to him
>>18720919I know you're a bit retarded, but asking for a source that the Quran claims to be mubeen is like asking for a source that Mein Kampf criticiez jews.You don't deserve to be spoonfed, accept it and move on.
>>18720944>I know you're a bit retarded>>18720840>"i'M a PsYcHoLoGiSt NoW!"Cognitive assessments are for qualified Doctors.>>18720916>Plenty of quran verses don't even make sense.>>18720919>...then post the verseNotice how you cannot read and interact with your emotional brainwashing?>>18720916>This is why they have to add "explanations" in brackets.>>18720919>not some dude rambling his ignorance.Youre being spoonfed by rando's...
>>18720816>kvetchingOk moshi but you're still a liar. And don't wewuzz like a pathetic jeet
>>18720937>Jesus literally is God thoughWhich god? Whats his name again? What language was it written in, and by who, during which time period, from where? Do you actually know any of this?>>18720991Then what were followers of Second Temple Judaism called? You just dont know anything about the historical subject which you're asserting your dumb opinions on. Every response you've given just demonstrates that. >you're a jew! you're a jeet!Make up your dimwit mind, retard.
>>18721182>Which god?the God of the bible??? stop acting retarded you know damn well which god Jesus is
>>18718920Fuck bible and quran
>>18721432Jesus is not the God of the bible though
>>18718920>>18718948>>18719072>>18719099>>18719243>>18719254>>18719338>>18719912cube worshippers are worked kek
>>18718920>Compared to the Bible, seems very logicalThat's like saying pee is very tasty compared to poop.
>>18720641>>18720668cube worshippers are fuming kek
>>18721182>Then what were followers of Second Temple Judaism called?Ivdeoi/ivdaeanAnd genetically they had almost nothing to do with (you). I say almost because the Cohens seem to have some pharisaic blood, as for the rest they're Medieval mystery meat merchants
>>18721981>Ivdeoi/ivdaeanYou're almost there, anon. What is that translated from, and what do those words mean in their original context? Cmon, you can do it little guy!>And genetically they had almost nothing to do with (you).Im not Jewish by ancestry and I dont worship a dead rabbi, so I'm not spiritually Jewish either.
>>18721995>oy vey let's revive a dead language and larp as a people we're not related toIf all Bolivians started to speak classical Latin tomorrow, would (you) call them descendants of Gens Ivlia?
>>18720668Cope masoretic talmudist
>>18721446Yes He is, literally speaking. NT is perfectly compatible witn LXX, everything else is heretic and/or jewish satanic cope
>>18722088What a pathetic evasion.Why do you worship a dead Jew? Why do you deny the Jewish nature of Christianity; fundamentally having Jewish origins?Why do you attack people who examine the Jewish nature of Christianity, in context of history?You're acting like a bot
>>18718920>Quran is le based and le logicalMuslims donât just believe in the Quran anyway, they believe in the Hadith (oral tradition) and use Tafsir (exegesis) to interpret the Quran based on Hadith. They say this is âlogicalâ, but ultimately shouldâve learned a thing or two from the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) as narrated by the Hadith in Sahih Muslim 1453 a:>Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (PBUH) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (PBUH) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (PBUH) laughed.This Hadith is narrated by Aisha and is verified Sahih, i.e, the highest level of authenticity in Islam. Muslim men should, therefore, submit to their hijabi dommy mommies and drink breastmilk from them in order to satisfy themselves as men.See more:https://www.reddit.com/r/CritiqueIslam/comments/1t80z4h/end_of_debate_the_pedophile_prophet_and/>inb4 reddit link is le badFuck off autist, just because you got out-autismoâd does not mean we care. Seethe.
>>18722411>you don't actually read the OT because you use Jesus' interpretation of the laws found thereinThis is how dumb you sound lol. But it's worse because the Quran instructs us to do it. The reason you want to run to the hadith is because you cannot deal with the topic of the thread.>he needs redditors to make a million arguments for himsad, now explain exactly what is wrong with that specific case of breastfeeding that is not even a general rule according to the prophet's wives? https://sunnah.com/muslim:1454
>>18719965Arab siege of constantinople failed.
>>18722449Istanbul is in muslim hands right now
>>18722450So?
>>18722455Muslims have conquered Constantinople
>>18722456Funny the people mohammed said it to would fail to it and mohammed was actually talking about this group of other people that didnt even know islam existed would conquer it 700 years later.
>>18722459It is not uncommon for prophecies to involve people that are very far into the future, this is a stupid point. It's not even the only fulfilled prophecy regarding the conquest of this city and some of those do involve people that were contemporary.
>>18722465>It is not uncommon for prophecies to involve people that are very far into the futureNow that's a fun way to cope.>All muslims attempts at taking the city failed previously because uh umm allah didnt want them to take the city for some reason o algo.Events are determined by material reality not made up prophecies.
>>18722468That's not a rebuttal. You know what I am saying is correct but you have no way to silence me so you resort to cheap theatrics. The conquest of Constantinople at the hands of Muslims is "material reality" and you simply cannot escape that fact. You can witness it right now, book a flight to TĂŒrkiye
>>18722474>and you simply cannot escape that factYou can't escape the fact your religion is made up and is some schizophrenic delusions made up by a pedophilic desert warlord.> You can witness it right now, book a flight to TĂŒrkiyeWhy would i want to visit islamic shitholes.
>>18722485>btfo so hard he tries to run away to his comfort subjectsI accept your concession. btw posting dead kids as some sort of own only exposes your character. I hope Christians will see this and turn away from the likes of you
>>18718920>seems very logical and easy to understandi like the quran but that is complete bullshitbeing vague and occasionally just plain incomprehensible is what gives it its mystical charm
>>18722491I accept your concession of following a false god>posting dead kidsAllah is the one who willed them dead im merely just posting the gloriois fruits of his work.
>>18722493>images(170).jpg>at least 170 pictures of dead children saved on his computer ready to be used when he gets buttmad>3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: d. Grotesque ("guro") images - https://4chan.org/rules#globalI won't give sick fucks like you anymore attention
>>18722496What's wrong? You dont like allah's work anymore?Hes the whone who willed them dead its a glorious act of god
>>18718920I think it says if you don't believe when you first start reading it, Allah will make it so you can never believe
