Is Jesus God or not-God?
>>18722833Half-woman half-Kike.
>>18722833YES JESUS IS GOD GOD ALONE CREATED EVERYTHINGIsaiah 44 New King James Version6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:‘I am the First and I am the Last;Besides Me there is no God.7 And who can proclaim as I do?24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,And He who formed you from the womb:“I am the Lord, who makes all things,Who stretches out the heavens [c]all alone,Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;JESUS CREATED EVERYTHING THEREFORE IS GODColossians 1:16 New King James Version 16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
>>18722837John 8:58: "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'John 18:6: "When Jesus said to them, 'I am he,' they drew back and fell to the ground."The divine name God gave to Moses at the burning bush ("I AM WHO I AM" in Exodus 3:14).If you do not honour the son you do not honour the Father - John 5:23
>>187228371 Corinthians 15:27-28For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
>>18722833Schizo with a God complex
>>18722837>>18722841None of these verses say Jesus is the same God as the Father nor do they say he is equal to himYou are also totally wrong on the translation of John 8 and Exodus 3 btw
>>18722917>You are also totally wrong on the translation of John 8 and Exodus 3 btw.No you are wrong, promoting unitarian heresy. Which was rejected a thousand plus years ago by the early church Source - https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christology/fathers_on_jn8_58.htmlAUGUSTINE OF HIPPO“… But from the tribe of Judah there came Our Lord Jesus Christ. For He is, as the Scripture says, and as you have but now heard, out of the seed of David born of Mary. 2 Timothy 2:8 But as regards the Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, wherein He is equal with the Father, He is not only before the Jews, but also before Abraham himself; John 8:58 nor only before Abraham, but also before Adam; nor only before Adam, but also before Heaven and earth and before ages: for all things by Himself were made, and without Him there was made nothing. John 1:3… Nevertheless because Christ Himself is of the seed of David after the flesh, but God above all things blessed for ever, Romans 9:5 He is Himself our King and our God; our King, inasmuch as born of the tribe of Judah, after the flesh, was Christ the Lord, the Saviour; but our God, who is before Judah, and before Heaven and earth, by whom were made all things, John 1:3 both spiritual and corporal. For if all things by Himself were made; even Mary herself, out of whom He was born, by Himself was made….” (Exposition on Psalm 76; bold emphasis ours)
>>18722927>AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO.Continued 5. Your throne is established from thence, O Lord Psalm 92:2. What is, from thence? From that time. As if he said, What is the throne of God? Where does God sit? In His Saints. Do you wish to be the throne of God? Prepare a place in your heart where He may sit. What is the throne of God, except where God dwells? Where does God dwell, except in His temple? What is His temple? Is it surrounded with walls? Far from it. Perhaps this world is His temple, because it is very great, and a thing worthy to contain God. It contains not Him by whom it was made. And wherein is He contained? In the quiet soul, in the righteous soul: that is it that contains Him…. He who said, Before Abraham was, I am: John 8:58 not before Abraham only, but before Adam: not only before Adam, but before all the angels, before heaven and earth; since all things were made through Him: he added, lest you, attending to the day of our Lord's nativity, might think He commenced from that time, Your throne is established, O God. But what God? You are from everlasting: for which he uses Greek version; that word being sometimes used for an age, sometimes for everlasting. Therefore, O Thou who seemest to be born from thence, You are from everlasting! But let not human birth be thought of, but Divine eternity. He began then from the time of His birth; He grew: Luke 2:40, 52 you have heard the Gospel. He chose disciples, He replenished them, His disciples began to preach. Perhaps this is what he speaks of in the following verse. (Exposition on Psalm 93; bold emphasis ours
Jesus was just a man until the Logos descended upon him.
>>18722938He said he had to be about his father's business when he was 12 years old
He's the way, the truth and the light. Nobody comes to the Father but through him.
>>18722940Yeah and I'm sure you believe in the virgin birth too LOL
>>18722927>>18722928>AUGUSTINE OF HIPPONot a Christian.
>>18722945Exactly. The Father alone is God
Christ is very clearly God to anyone with an open heart and sound mind /thread
>>18722970God in what sense ?
>>18722833One this for sure he is definitely JewishAfter Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem. and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”Mathew 2:2>And Jesus turned and saw them following, and *said to them, “What do you seek?” They said to Him, “Rabbi where are You staying?”John 1:38>Peter *said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”Mark 9:5>And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."Luke 2:21>The Samaritan woman said to Jesus, You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)John 4:9>I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.John 18:20>He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day, he went into the synagogue, as was his custom.” Luke 4:16
>>18722833A God cannot be tempted, killed or even be hungry.
>>18722833hippie fun pop culture Jesus > biblical Jesus
>>18722833in the same sense that Hercules was before himself ascending Christianity is, properly, a universalized form of greek religion which set aside the difference between the children of Zeus in order that all God's children would be united in one body as the living embodiment of the one true God.
>>18723190Tempting someone doesn't mean the person you tempt is going to take your temptation seriously. Being tempted by the devil only means the devil tried, and failed predictably. Beyond that... the living body of Christ rose for all to see, and the flesh must have sustenance for existence to persist through time.
>>18723366But in the book of Job the devil has stood in front of God's throne and argued with him, he knows who God is, he's seen him, met him, talked with him, fears him, has some sort of relationship with him.So why would he offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world that he claims God himself gave to him if Jesus was God himself?
>>18723469What the "devil" offered was the exaltation of one branch of the tree above the rest to be the vehicle for God's fulfillment of the terms of the covenant and dominion over the earth. That branch took it personally and swore to destroy the rest of the tree in order to make it so that, in the end, that "devil's desire" is brought about anyway.
>>18723469>>18723520John 8:44
>>18723520Satan, who has stood before God, told Jesus, who you claim to be God, that he will give him all the kingdoms of the earth, which he claims God have him, if Jesus worships him.That makes no sense unless Jesus was not God.
>>18723527You don't know what a satan is, or what a devil is, so you're in no position to debate this with me or anyone.
>>18723527Creed of Chalcedon.Jesus fully man and fully GodPhilippians 2:6-8 English Standard Version6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[a] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
>>18723538Also:1 Corinthians 15:27-28>For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER CHRIST. When he has done this, then THE SON HIMSELF WILL BE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER HIM, so that God may be all in all.Here Paul says Jesus is subjected to God but God is not subjected to Jesus. Paul says God is above Jesus. He also later says God is the head of Christ, so he's above Christ and bot equal to Christ. Jesus also said his father was greater than him.
>>18722833in the way that the universe is god maybe
>>18723527if you are curious, you can ask your local catholic priest. /his/ isn't a board with doctors in theology (maybe a few). What we know is that Jesus resurrected, that Christians worship Jesus as God (Saying Jesus is not God is a heresy called Arianism). This is part of the Holy Trinity mystery. Yes Jesus is God, and was incarnated as a man. Both physical and divine.
>>18723597>Yes Jesus is God, and was incarnated as a man.“As I looked,>“thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.>“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language served him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.Which of these two characters is God, the Ancient of Days or the Son of Man? And which one is Jesus?And if they are equal and the same being, then why did one receive his authority from the other?
>>18722833He's the messenger of Allah
>>18722916actually he's God with a schizo complex.
>>18723627Your brain is worthless. I recommend >>>/x/, specifically the gangstalking thread. You'll fit right in.
