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>The Romance words for “war” — Italian guerra, Spanish guerra, Portuguese guerra, and French guerre — derive from the Germanic word, werra, which replaced the Latin bellum.
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>>18726672
And the Ottomans ended the last part of the roman empire in 1453.
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>>18726672
History as series of gay rapes and cuck porn scenarios, brought to you by the hairless ape, forever. Until the end of time.
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>>18726672
>>The Romance words for “war” — Italian guerra, Spanish guerra, Portuguese guerra, and French guerre — derive from the Germanic word, werra, which replaced the Latin bellum.

1. Those flags belong to modern nations whose origins include, among others, peoples of Germanic origin (who used the word werra). The only thing that remains of those peoples is in those modern nations (present-day Germans, descendants of the Germanic tribes that stayed there, don't say werra but krieg). You're putting guys hanging themselves...

2. The word bellum continued to be used. For example, Spanish is full of words derived from that Latinism: bélico, antibelicista, belicoso, beligerante...

3. The use of the Spanish term guerrilla appears in all languages: guerrilla (English), guerilla (German), guérilla (French), gerilla (Swedish), gerilja (Norwegian), etc.
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>>18726743
>present-day Germans, descendants of the Germanic tribes that stayed there, don't say werra but krieg
AngloBVLLS say war
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>>18726676
*476/486 AD
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>>18726676
Them greek/anatolian larpers were never roman
Rome in general was a parody since the Principate, at the latest.
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Rome fell in 540 after Greek LARPers and their mercenary armies snuffed out the last embers of civilization in the west.
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>>18726743
to your 2. point: lots of latin nations had a wewuzzing phase in the last two centuries where they promoted the use of new latin-derived words to make their languages appear closer to latin. these words stand out like a sore thumb because they did not go through 1500 years' worth of sound changes characteristic to the language on question. how sure are you that these words you listed as proof aren't due to such a recent change?
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>>18726743
>The use of the Spanish term guerrilla appears in all languages: guerrilla (English), guerilla (German), guérilla (French), gerilla (Swedish), gerilja (Norwegian), etc.
You're dense af.
Guerre in French comes from the word warre, which was still present in Norman French until 15th century or so. It was turning into guerre as a result of a vowel shift that also turned William into Guilliame.
Then this word was imported into Spanish and adapted as guerra(frankly speaking most likely occitian used guerra already, catalan, aragonese and castillian sit on the same continuity simply speaking)
Then Napoleon goes to Spain and the locals put up a partisan resistance to his army. The Spanish call then guerilla - diminutive warriors, sort of, the suffix being very old borrowing from Gothic of all languages(Attila). With the Napoleonic army going back and French being well, lingua franca, this name then gets popularised across the western world although a lot of languages take a while to adopt it. Even in late 19th century it's not that commonly used, the 1871 guerillas were called free shooters of franc-tirieurs. In fact free shooter is still being used by Luddendorff in 1930's when he was writing total war, so it's most likely popularised by the spread of English.
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>>18727735
>lots of latin nations had a wewuzzing phase in the last two centuries
>how sure are you that these words you listed as proof aren't due to such a recent change?
«Allí se mostraba la gran disciplina
de los belicosos varones de España;
allí se regía con arte y con maña
aquella compañia tan beligerina.»

Juan de Mena.
'Laberinto de Fortuna' (1444 AD).
"There was displayed the great discipline
of the warlike men of Spain;
there, with skill and cunning, was commanded
that fiercely combative company."

Juan de Mena.
'Labyrinth of Fortune' (1444 AD).
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>>18726672
Same thing in Romania except it's taken from Slavic people.
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>>18726743
>>18726753
Why do Dutch say Oorlog
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>>18726753
Yes but war is just an old Norman pronunciation of French Guerre, wuerre. It comes from their Romance buckbreakers
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>jeet thread
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>>18726672
What is the implications
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>>18729363
Because it's a stupid language
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>>18730182
Orlog
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>>18726672
Examples of Portuguese and Spanish names that trace their roots back to ancient Germanic tribes, such as the Visigoths, who settled in the Iberian Peninsula.
Here is a comprehensive list of Iberian names of Germanic origin, grouped by their original meanings:

Names Related to Power, Wealth, and Nobility

• Afonso / Alfonso: Comes from Adalfuns, combining words for "noble" and "ready/ready for battle."
• Fernando / Fernando: Rooted in Ferdinand, meaning "brave traveler" or "daring protector."
• Gonzalo / Gonçalo: Derived from Gundisalvus, meaning "genius of war" or "saved in battle."
• Rodrigo: Traces back to Hrodric, meaning "famous ruler" or "powerful in glory."

Names Related to Battle, Strength, and Protection

• Álvaro / Alvaro: Originates from Allward, meaning "all-guardian" or "guardian of all."
• Guilherme / Guillermo: Derived from Willahelm, meaning "will-helmet" or "resolute protector."
• Gualter / Walter: Comes from Waldhar, meaning "ruler of the army."
• Ramiro: From Radamir, meaning "famous counselor" or "great judge."
• Ricardo / Ricardo: Rooted in Richard, meaning "strong ruler" or "brave leader."

Feminine Names with Germanic Roots

• Amália / Amalia: Derived from the Germanic element amal, meaning "work," "activity," or "industrious."
• Bruna / Bruna: Comes from Brun, meaning "brown" or "shining armor."
• Elsa / Elsa: A short form of Elisabeth, but often tied to the Germanic root aliz, meaning "noble type."
• Frida / Frida: Directly derived from Fridu, meaning "peace."
• Gisela / Gisela: Originates from gisil, meaning "pledge" or "hostage."
• Ilda / Hilda: Derived from Hild, meaning "battle" or "warfare."
• Otília / Otilia: Derived from Odo or Otto, meaning "wealth," "fortune," or "heritage."
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Conflicto Bélico = Guerra

Bellum = Bélico
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>>18728311
romanian shows a few other signs of latin terms changing meanings. 'city' became 'fortress', 'wooden fort' became 'village', 'enemy' became 'army'.
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>>18732209
Funy that some people in Spain 1500 years ago were named like in a vikings movie:

Torismundo:

þauris-: an element that has been associated with Thor, the Germanic god of thunder.

-mund: “hand,” “protection,” or “safeguard,” depending on the historical development of the Germanic element.

Hence the interpretation “protected by Thor” or “Thor’s protection.”
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>>18729363
Because the dutch do not make war, they commit orlog, as the elves taught them.
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>>18732478
The first two examples kind of make sense but the last one kind of boggles the mind.



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