so which one is it according to christian /his/toriography?
>>18726763Whichever is most convenient for their twisted arguments. In reality, if they are right about their religion, Rabbi Yeshua is sending them all to Hell for antisemitism.John 4:22>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is of the Jews
>>18726763Is there supposed to be a contradiction between these two?
>>1872679099% of Christian discourse is just pretending not to understand the other side's argument
>>18726763why do atheists always conventiently forget and ignore the Ashkenazi theory
>>18726791The other side’s argument is that propositions that are not contradictory are contradictory
>>18726805Because all I need to do to absolutely obliterate the shit out of that argument is to provide one non-Ashkenazi Jew.
>>18726790Not historically, but some Christians claim that modern day Jews aren't the descendants of the ancient Jews who killed Jesus. If this is true then they didn't inherit the blood curse from Matthew 27:25 and Yahweh was lying in Jeremiah 31:33-37 apparently.
>>18726806If modern Jews aren't the same Jews who killed Jesus, why do you "Christians" still blame modern Jews for Jesus's crucifixion?
>>18726763Both are true?The Jews killed Jesus, it is well documented in the Bible and many other sources.Modern Jews aren't Jews (semites), they are Turks (Khazars), it's been proven by genetics and demographics.
>>18726763For /his/, the ancient Jews were also liars and not really believing in God. So either button works the same. They asked for God’s blood curse upon them for killing the only son of God, for eternity, as they casually murdered Adam himself in the garden dressed as Satan incarnate. It would be pleasing to Adam and that’s why it pleases God, because it sets Adam free from his sin as well as his savior.
>>18726856Blaming modern Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus is not in OP’s meme
>>18726871>(Khazars)
Imagine you find God’s Throne and sit on it. You then start to enjoy yourself doing whatever you want as God. Then you get the idea to kill God because you don’t like the idea of God kicking you off His throne. Then you decide to even create an army to fight God if He ever shows back up. You then begin to torture God’s believers and followers of a pure heart, and you create a place for yourself literally in hell when God comes back. But you’ve got this, right? Because you’re going to fall asleep in your flesh body and your army is going to win for you while you sleep. This is the high tier that Jewish high priests start to believe for their selves as God’s chosen uber mensche because this is what a Jew would do if he is filled with a heart of pride and not God.
Fill a human heart with satan’s pride from hell that he is going to win against God and it is easy to see who the Jews are because this is exactly what they are going to do is murder Adam their own father of all the living casually dressed as Satan and even preside over a global government that will personally see the extermination of all mankind through using sin as the reason everyone must die. Adam saw Jesus as himself and was pleased. God saw Jesus as himself and was pleased to see Satan think he won whe he literally murdered him.
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>>18726763>the Jews killed JesusYes the Edomite Jews were forcefully integrated into the Judahite bloodline and Pharisee priesthood by Herod and the true Judahite records destroyed>modern Jews aren’t real Jews Yes Edomite Jews who mixed into Judah are not Judahites. Deuteronomy 7 forbids intermarriage with canaanites(who Esau took wives of, father of edom)
>>18726763Jesus isnt a historical person, so #2, definitely. Hitler believed Jews were a distinct people, which they're not, so he was obviously wrong, too.
>>18726937How do you explain John 1:11?
>>18726956It was written 180 AD, why would anyone need to explain it
>>18726885It's implied, dumbass
>>18726763According to the NT only Christians are the heirs of Abraham, ergo modern Jews aswell as their deicidal forebears aren't actual Jews.
>>18726964Well you got a point there if you're not a Christian
>>18726972>According to the NT only Christians are the heirs of AbrahamPaul says the Jews are still the chosen ones because God's gifts are irrevocable
>>18726972See>>18726933
>>18726970Ok God bless you
>>18726981The Jews who follow Christ, yes. The Jews who reject him are the Synagogue of Satan.
>>18726956I believe it was in reference to the people of Nazareth
>>18726981The word “elect” literally means the same thing as chosen ones. What Paul was saying is that God still cares for the Jewish nation for Abraham’s sake, and will one day restore them to Himself (which means the Jews will become a Christian nation again), because they are preferred for election.
>>18726996>The Jews who follow Christ, yesNope, he's talking about the Jews who oppose Christ.
>>18727001Wouldn't that imply he was sent exclusively to the people of Nazareth?
>>18727021When?
>>18727044Romans 11:28-29
>>18727003Yes, he also says Christians are "ingrafted branches" because the natural branches are the Jews.
>>18727051Gentiles. Not Christians.
>>18727059That letter was addressed to Christian goys.
>>18727060There were many Jews in the Roman church.
>>18727001>>18727037It's the "lost tribe of Israel"
>>18727065Lots of Jews among early Christians, but he's not addressing them, reasom why he tells the Christian goyim not to boast.
>>18727051He also says that Jewish unbelievers are broken off branches who need to be grafted in again.
>>18727073Yes, if they don't persist in unbelief.
>>187270852000 years of unbelief is not persistance?
>>18727071You keep adding the word “Christian” as though he distinguished Christians from Jews
>>18727089One day is as a thousand years with the Lord, and a thousand years as one day.>>18727091He does nothing but distinguish Christians from Jews in Romans 11.
>>18727107Gentiles from Jews*fixed
>>18727108Those were gentiles who converted to Christianity. They were still goyim, they can never be Jews.
>>18727112That's because, despite what he says in Galatians 3:28, Jews still ranked above the goyim even after Christianity.Romans 2:5-11>But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism (lol).
>>18726763Imagine not understanding that a word can have more than one definition. How worthless is your brain? How do you even make it through a day? Fuck, I'm so glad I'm not one of you rodents.
>>18727112Irrelevant
>>18727354>as though he distinguished Christians from Jews
>>18726820See 2 Samuel 1:16.>>18726981Yes but the modern people group claiming to be the Jews have nothing to do with it howbeit.Paul's point in Romans 11 is that there were certain temporal blessings that David's actual descendants and the tribes of Israel at that time received, which was purely for the sake of their ancestors. But that temporal blessing doesn't mean they didn't go to hell if they were unsaved when they died, and in fact Paul specifically says they were concluded in unbelief so these temporary advantages in life didn't help them in the end. The fact that those people got any kind of special advantage was basically just a hat tip to David and their other righteous ancestors, and many of those who got the blessing still managed to throw it away when they rejected Christ.Also, the modern people claiming to be Jews have nothing to do with this anyway. They are descended from pagan cultists who were converted to talmudism in the middle ages (which occurred only after the Talmud was written by unrelated pagan/gnostic heretics around the year AD 499).>>18727047That's obviously referring to the Jews and Israelites of Paul's day, which was a very long time ago now. This is not related to the imposter groups running around now that have nothing to do with Israel or the ancient Jews, even though they want you to think they do.>>18727003>What Paul was saying is that God still cares for the Jewish nation for Abraham’s sakeYeah, and that's in reference to people who will be resurrected who lived in Bible times. Moreover, all believers will share in this inheritance if we go by the biblical account."And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."- Galatians 3:29
>>18727130See Romans 2:29"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."- Romans 2:29"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"- Romans 9:6
>>18727679>2 Samuel 1:16That's obviously referring to David and the Amalekite messenger of Saul's day, which was a very long time before the Jews killed Jesus.>and in fact Paul specifically says they were concluded in unbelief so these temporary advantages in life didn't help them in the endHe doesn't say that at all. He actually says all of Israel will be saved, including the remnant.
>>18727682See Genesis 17:9-14>Then God said to Abraham, 'As for you, you must keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised. You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. He who is eight days old among you must be circumcised, every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring. Both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised. So My covenant will be in your flesh as an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.'"Reminder that Jesus never abrogated circumcision, that was Paul's effort to mass convert the goyim.>Romans 9:6Now post Romans 9:1-5.
>>18726763Judaism celebrates the death of Christ and encourages the death of His Earthly teachings. They also happen to be ethnically Polish most of the time. These two opinions do not conflict with one another in any way.
>>18726763False dialectic, third button is true. The ethnic jews today are in fact jews. The jews of jesus' day were in part responsible for his execution and also very jewish. May jesus' blood be on them and on their children. Its the blood of Christ that washes away all sin.
>>18726763>so which one is it according to christian /his/toriography?Modern Jews are biblical Edomites, descendants of Esau - the guys who are prophecised to be destroyed multiple times in the Bible. Jesus was an Israelite - a descendant of Jacob/Israel, Esau's brother. European whites also descend from him, hence we're the chosen nation, and there's many nations, just like God told Abraham would happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PgOxJ8WIGw
At this point it should be obvious who's God's chosen people. Europeans, who christianized everyone they could, or "jews", who say Jesus is boiling in excrement.
>>18729916>Europeans, who christianized everyone they couldIs that why God is rewarding them with a 1.34 birth rate and total population replacement with monotheist muslims?
>>18729182>we wuz jewishhow come the "edomites" are following the torah while the israelites are eating pork and desecrated shabbat?
>>18729963>how come the "edomites" are following the torah while the israelites are eating pork and desecrated shabbat?Because the Torah is the jewish version of the Scripture, while the Bible doesn't say anything against eating pork.
>>18729182That image is so retarded
>>18730219>Because the Torah is the jewish version of the ScriptureYou do know that the Christians who wrote the New Testament believed in Yaweh, the god of Israel, right? There is no non-Jewish version of the Scripture. You have to learn how to accept that and live with the reality.
>>18730661>You do know that the Christians who wrote the New Testament believed in Yaweh, the god of Israel, right? There is no non-Jewish version of the Scripture. You have to learn how to accept that and live with the reality."Jew" is not even a thing, completely fake. It's Israelites, who descended from Jacob/Israel, and there's Edomites, who descended from Israel's brother Esau. The latter called started calling themselves jews, because it sounds similar to Judea, in order to strenghten the myth that they're the chosen ones.
>>18731170>"Jew" is not even a thing, completely fakelol
>>18726790/thread
>>18726933>>18726982Saul was a liar.
>>18732390A proper translation would be Judeans, since at that time people were called either after their ancestor, or after a place where they're from.
>>18726763The left one is correct. The right one is the cope from American protestants who also want to be white nationalists.
>>18732516>A proper translation would be Judeanslmao
>>18732518Goys will be goys
