You'll see some Anglo who'd say "if the Spanish Empire was so humane o algo, then why are British colonies richer than Spanish," then only cherry picks the four settler colonies where they wiped out all the indigenous.But they do not acknowledge that the IMF data for 2025 shows a striking pattern: none of the world’s 50 poorest countries today were former Spanish provinces. By contrast, the vast majority were once under British, French, Belgian, or Portuguese rule.
>>18728816There's a difference between a generator empire and a predatory empire.For the Spanish Monarchy, the inhabitants of the Americas, the Philippines, and other territories were not merely resources to be exploited: they were subjects of the king, and therefore part of the same political body as those born in Castile or Aragon. This vision, enshrined in laws and royal decrees from the 16th century onwards, meant that the Crown assumed responsibilities towards them.By contrast, predatory empires (British, Belgian, Dutch, in many of their domains) treated the local population as expendable labor. When it was depleted or wiped out by harsh conditions, it was replaced with enslaved labor imported from other continents. They were not citizens, but “natives” subject to a separate legal code, with no representation and no political rights in the metropole. Infrastructure was limited to what was necessary to extract raw materials and ship them to Europe.
>>18728816The Spanish Monarchy integrated its overseas territories as kingdoms and provinces, with their own institutions: viceroys, audiencias (high courts), and cabildos (municipal councils). Between the 16th and 19th centuries:Cities such as Mexico City, Lima, Bogotá, and Manila were founded.Universities were created (Santo Tomás in Manila; San Marcos in Lima; Mexico City; Córdoba).An extensive network of hospitals was created, providing access to health care for a broad spectrum of the population.A complete network of royal roads provided internal connections.Castilian unified huge administrative blocks.A legal system considered them subjects, with rights before the Crown.A unique feature in colonial history is that the conquest itself was paused to publicly debate its legitimacy and the treatment of Indigenous peoples. Between 1550 and 1551, at the Valladolid Debate, figures such as friar Bartolomé de las Casas and Juan Ginés de Sepúlveda argued before jurists and theologians whether it was moral and legal to subjugate Indigenous peoples.
>>18728816Just compare Haiti with Dominican Republic. Or Equatorial Guinea with Gabon. Or the Philippines with Timor-Leste. True, some of the Spanish colonies are in shambles in some ways, but mainly due to other reasons not because of Spain, such as dictatorship or intervention from other countries (eg. American and Japanese invasion of the Philippines)
>>18728823Ah, the classic 'moorberians are the reason for anything positive but anything negative is because the locals are low IQ indio retards'.
>>18728816Once again latinx america outperforms in middling mediocrity despite the ostensible benefits of being part of the HISPANICAL CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE IBERIAS
>>18728816>some AngloI think I just realized that the Hispanicpride shitposters here don't understand that 90% of the whole "Spanish colonialism sucks lmao" meme comes from Latinos themselves. It's not Anglos shitting on you, they're too busy bitching about the French. The people who make fun of the Spanish Empire's legacy are the Spanish Empire's legacy, it's a running gag that everyone wishes we turned out like Canada or Australia instead.
>>18728916why do bolivians make other latin americans seethe?
>>18728918They're poor and associated with all that comes with it. In Argentina they seethe about Bolivians building shantytowns and being "responsible" for all the shit parts of Argentina.
>>18728916>that 90% of the whole "Spanish colonialism sucks lmao" meme comes from Latinos themselves90% of the memes are just regurgitated shit from the anglo "Black Legend" from back then,
>>18729064>anglos made me work my taino slaves to death o algo
>>18729066>work my taino slaves to deathLies. They were assimilated via SEXO instead of being put in concentration camps like the indian reservations or the bantustans.
>>18729081>“There were 60,000 people living on this island [when I arrived in 1508], including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this?"
>>18728823Equatorial Guinea is a hellhole tho>But muh GDP Oil money that's running out, none of it reaches people from outside of the elite.
>>18728823>Or the Philippines with Timor-Leste.The Phillippines is mogged by Malaysia though. If we're comparing SEA island shitholes then Anglos win by a longshot
>>18729097The Phillippines rejected their "hispanicity", though. They adopted the murrican's multiculturalism meme and stopped assimilating their minorities, while also adopting a meme language that no else uses, while if they adopted spanish they could have had more markets to establish connections and relationships with the rest of the Hispanic World.
>>18729097Malaysia has multiple States chock full of Oil and Gas. The Philippines has Zero Oil and Gas.Yemen and the UAE are occupied by samr shitty race and colonized by the same shitty British, the only difference is that Yemen is poor since they lack oil while thr UAE is rich since they have oil. Once Malaysia exhausts their oil and gas which the Philippines doesnt have, they will br at similar levels.
>>18728838Except that's literally the truth?
>>18729089It's a hellhole because it's a country of niggers ran by niggers but in a continent of niggers it's one of the best, or less bad, country.
>>18729331Gabon and Botswana are more developed than India though
>>18729146The Philippines was richer than Japan and was the richest Asian nation when they had their First Republic after Independence from us Hispanistas. They became poor immidiately after they listened to their American and Japanese colonizers.
>>18729064kinda hard to pretend that the Spanish destroying Mayan civilization is "propaganda" when the Maya literally still exist and tell us their perspective lol
>>18728816Are you retarded? It is because the Treaty of of Tortilla gave Africa to Portugal. If Spain had African colonies they'd be just as poor as Poortugal's, it's Iberian neighbor with the same ibero-moorish genetics.It was their Germanic rulers who conquered these lands, but it would be Iberomoors who worked the economy and naturally being low IQ subhumans they did not know how to run an efficient colony like the white man. They're basically the house nigger of the European nation, acting white but lacking that elan that makes aryans so superior.
>>18729064>black legendAka reality. Really the Spanish had no business in the Americas and should have left the continent alone
>>18729457>It was their Germanic rulers who conquered these landsI never knew Cortes and Pizarro were Germans.
>>18729452>that the Spanish destroying Mayan civilizationThe Mayans "Golden Age" already passed when the Spanish went there. They only found some cities of the shitload of ruins that existed before. Not even the Mayans knew what the fuck happened there and their ancestors.
dfeza on a mad one again
>>18728816Iberians we're one of the most evil people ever
>>18729869Wrong "were" used.
>>18728838>
Is it possible to reverse the hispanicization/reggaetonification of latinx america?
>>18729457>germans We ruled you, subhuman
>>18730288>*loses to swamp Jews*Also that'll be 5 euro tikkie + tip
>>18730293If the Dutch won, then why Belgium still exists?
>>18730316If the Spanish won, then why Morocco still exists? (grammatical errors left intact for Panchito parody purposes)
>>18730322https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Friendship
>>18730336Thank your AmeriGODS from saving Asspain from Barbary piracy
>>18730322Morocco was not worth it
>>18730287>Is it possible to reverse the hispanicization/reggaetonification of latinx america?They are antithetical concepts. The more "Hispanicization there is", the less "reggaetonification" (degenerate Anglo influence).
>>18730355>Las Masonas made us listen to crappy music o algo
>>18730359>>Las Masonas made us listen to crappy music o algoOf course. It is just another weapon used to corrupt societies. You need only listen to all the degenerate trash that dominates the airwaves and the charts in any western country.
>>18730287>reverse the hispanicizationAnd replace it with what? Murrican "culture"? Ironically Brazil has been murricafied these last years and it has gone to shit as a result>reggaetonificationNah, this >>18730355 anon is right. Reggaeton was created in Puerto Rico, the most anglo of the former hispanic colonies. The rest of the latam countries have better music.
>>18730359Nigger
>>18730338You're all subhumans to us
>>18730377So why couldn't Spain save itself from Barbary rape gangs?
>>18730381Barbary piracy affected all of Europe
>>18730390Until AMERIBVLLS put a stop to it. Why couldn't Spain sissies do that?
>>18730395Why would they? Guess it didn't affect them that much
>>18730400>Why would Spain defend themselves from Arab rape slavery pirates?Do hispanchistas really?
>>18730395They did multiple times. The roaches just came back. America was just the last to do it. That's like taking credit for a group project. And they were friends with the Moroccans too
>>18730405So, in other words, America actually stopped the problem where Spain's attempts failed.
>>18730404Why are you obsessed with rape?
>>18730381They really have no good answer to this one
>>18730395They were busy fighting the rest of Europe for that.
>>18730395After the reconquista moorberians and nafris vowed there would be no more brother wars between them
>>18730407It was the dawn of the 19th century. Piracy in the Mediterranean was not viable anymore. Napoleon didn't seem too bothered about it. It was a nothingburger to Europe. Americans just wanted to flex their muscles and show the world they mattered but no one cared. It was probably all arranged anyway
>Yeah I totally could have stopped those Nafri rape gangs I just didn't want to o algoDo hispanchistas realise how cucked this cope sounds?
>>18730420Are you retarded?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Tunis_(1535)What part of they came back don't you understand? You're blaming the Spanish for their subhuman behavior?
>>18730425>they came backDidn't do a very good job stopping it then, did they, Pablo?
>>18730429There were more important things to worry aboutYou think this is a gotcha, but nafri subhumans doing subhumans things was very low on the priority list
>>18730404desu I can believe it given later they would import Arab rapists voluntarily to relive the good old days.
>>18730420Subhumans are drawn to each other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliancehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Moroccan_alliancehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liever_Turks_dan_Paaps
>>18730442>There were more important things to worry about than stopping mass rape and slavery by NafrisAgain, panchito failing to not sound like a cuckold
>>18730452France also has a Mediterranean coast. What does that make them?
>>18730455Yeah, all yuropoors are massive cucks compared to AmeriGODS. And?
>>18730459You're a retard
>>18730463i accept your concession
>>18730465
>>18730467BasedUsual Israel W
>>18730467And as I mentioned last time he died in poverty because he never got paid back lol
>>18730473If only that happened to all of them
>>18730287What like return to Indian ways? I'm honestly kind of surprised no countries have tried that.
>>18730481>I'm honestly kind of surprised no countries have tried that.Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru etc all attempted this, before they realized that the native culture itself was actually the problem
>>18730481https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndigenismoThey sure are trying
>>18728816The commitment to fellating the Spanish Empire on this board is so bizarre.
>>18730495It's because it's the designated Latinx self insert for European history.
>>18730486What exactly is wrong with native culture? I think people being connected to their own individual cultural traditions and languages and religions is cool, but I assume it's hard to do when Latin Americans have been thoroughly hispanicized.
>>18730498>what exactly is wrong with a native culture that romanticized tribalism, sacrifice, and violence
>>18730499>culture that romanticized tribalism, sacrifice, and violencethat was moorberia before they got dragged kicking and screaming into modernity by the EU
>>18728816>patternIts been hundreds of years, neither of those empires have anything to do with the state of those countries today
>>18730507You're a jeet
>>18730511importing a bunch of nafri mercenaries to rape your political opponents is peak tribalism 2bh
>>18730514No ones give a shit, shitskin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)
>>18730516>it was based nafris raping cringe liberals or however the paella is poured
>>18730516Should be called the brown terror kek
>>18730524>>18730525This obsession with nafris and rape says more about you than the Spanish
>>18730535Based tolerant panchito
>>18730516As opposed to the Red Terror? lmao, Franco mogged every other figure Spain had at that time.
>>18730734No one can beat him at importing BBC that's for sure.
>Si, Senor Nixon, it has been done, al of La Patria is now a resort for El Anglo DiabloWhat did Franco mean by this
>>18730754https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9tenteIt was the style at the time
>>18730754By that point Franco was half-death so he didn't give a fuck, besides the US (NATO) needed Spain more than Spain needed NATO. Hell, some Spanish still think joining NATO was a mistake.
>>18729329>Except that's literally the truth?No, all the people who made the shots and founded the banana republics were Spaniards, not Indians or Blacks. San MartĂn, BolĂvar, etc. All of them were Spanish.>CRIOLLO NO SPANISH. CRIOLLO NUNCA NUNCA
>>18730822What? Franco went cap in hand to Eisenhower for gringobux, that's why Espana has two US military bases kek
>>18730486>PeruWhen did Peru go back to being an absolutist monarchy with reciprocal labor systems like the Inca Empire?
>>18729498Even if what you said were true, which it isn't, it wouldn't really change what that guy said, the claim that the Spanish Empire directly destroyed Maya civilization, which it objectively did.First of all, there was no such thing as a Maya Golden Age. The Postclassic Maya the Spanish encountered were objectively more technology advanced than the Classic Maya who built most (but not all) of the big famous ruins, for one. They had metallurgy, and the bow & arrow, and other technologies that were not present at all in the Classic Period. The difference between the Postclassic Maya and the Classic Maya is that the former did not have an elite culture centered around divine kingship that liked to build big monuments in honor of said divine kings, which is the reason the Classic Maya seem better and more impressive to us.As for your claim that the Spanish only found "some" cities out of some larger total is also quite ridiculous. There were plenty of Maya settlements all over the Yucatan Peninsula and the Guatemalan Highlands, and there's no reason to believe there were somehow less inhabited settlements than in the Classic period. Only a few of the biggest cities of the southern lowlands were abandoned during the Classic Collapse, and most of the population likely just migrated to the centers in the northern lowlands and the highlands.Lastly, the actual reason it seems like there were "fewer" Maya cities during the Spanish conquest is simply a matter of survivor's bias. Most inhabited Maya settlements at the time of the Spanish conquest had colonial towns built over them, a pattern seem everywhere in Mesoamerica, with Mexico City being the most famous example. Merida, Champoton, Campece and Izamal are all examples of what were once major Maya towns conquered by the Spanish. The reason there are more Classical sites around today is because they were abandoned before the Spanish came and so never became colonial towns, not because there were more of them.
>>18729329>>18730284spicniards are quite literally niggers under the one drop rule
>>18730404They were already moor rapebabies, getting raped by arabs was just common for them
>>18730516>>18730535You will always be a brown, balding, nigger admixed subhuman moor rapebaby with negative fertility, juanito
>>18731888Enough about your ancestors
>>18731895>no u saarYou are a nigger.
>>18731906Post hand
>>18731908You gonna do the same, Pablo?
>>18731888Yet they are still more CHAD than you will ever be
>>18731909If it pleases me
>>18731911spicniards are balding manlets with jeet facial features, in fact they have the highest rates of balding in the world, literal genetic trash and I'm thankful they're not breeding anymore
>>18731918They are breeding your women
>>18731918They could be all of that yet all of you still seethe at the very thought of SPAIN
>>18731922They aren't breeding shit lolThose moor rapebaby cucks have the lowest fertility rate in europe besides ukraine, iberberian subhumans are going extinct in like 20 years>>18731923You're a brown moor rapebaby with negroid blood
>>18731934Europeans aren't the ones breeding, shitskin
>>18731939Correct, eurocucks are castrated trannies who will go extinct soon and that's a good thing :)
>>18731943You will always be subhuman
>>18731944You will a-AAACCKKKKKTotal eurotranny genocide doe
>>18731947More slave laborPick that fruit, boy
>>18731952>saar those brown nafris and subsaharans are hecking slaves o algo>they definitely aren't breeding our women since we iberberians are infertile cucks with tiny dicks, no saar
>>18731934lol, keep seething
>>18731962They will always be slaves. Islam means submission
>>18731963she has nafri and negroid blood flowing in her veins>>18731964muslims raped modern iberians into existence doe
>>18731922Spicniards aren't even breeding their own women
>>18731971Pay up, niggerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taifa
>>18731971https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parias
>>18731570>Espana has two US military bases>>18731888>You will always be a brown, balding, nigger admixed subhuman moor rapebaby with negative fertility, juanito>>18731906>You are a nigger.>spicniards are quite literally niggers under the one drop rule>>18731918>spicniards are balding manlets with jeet facial features>>18731934>You're a brown moor rapebaby with negroid blood
>>18729335>Unironically using wages as a measure of economic progress.>19th Century Philippines.The vast majority of the laboring force in the Philippines were fucking peasants. They were sharecroppers who were not paid wages, they paid rents to their landlords. The only motherfuckers who were paid wages in the colony were factory workers in Manila (who form a scant minority of the labor force). And they were horrendously poor to the point that the 19th century saw more revolts in the Philippines than previous centuries of Spanish rule.
>>18732378Lol no. Asides from Manila there werr also 4 other royal cities with Fueros and Charters: Nueva Cacares (Naga), Cebu, Nueva Segovia, and Iloilo.And lol at claiming the wage earners were horrendously poor when the book that anon cited said the opossite. That they were the richest in Asia.
>>18728816the main problem is that viceroyal and viceroyalty are very different things, as in, they are in different categories and you do not seem to understand this, as your title shows.
>>18732734>t. illiterate spic.The ratio of wage-earners to peasant laborers in the Philippines was very small. The vast majority of the laboring force in the colony were tenanted peasants. Those cunts did not have any salaries as theoretically they're sharecroppers, and they also formed the majority of the population of the Philippines. They paid rent to their landlords & leaseholders in exchange for a share of the profits, but in practice, the need for money to pay for equipment, livestock, draft animals, and to pay for taxes to the government & church dues meant their rents always increased and they got stuck in a life of permanent poverty.tl;dr salaried workers =/= peasants, dumbfuck
