>>18730295
DGG 4 LYFE

Is there any justification for this other than the patron-client relationship between upper and lower class that the middle class threatens just by existing? Like is there any rational argument or is it just "I have a cozy kino slave plantation relationship with these proles and I don't want any middle class small business owners interfering with that"

>>18730315
Have you ever met members of the middle class?

>>18730323
so that's a no

>>18730333
>t. midlet

>>18730378
I midcept your midcession

>>18730315
Poor people hate the middle class because they are undeniable proof that good decisions can bring safety and prosperity.

Rich people hate the middle class because they represent a level of worker autonomy that is not completely beholden to their mercy. They really, really don't like that.

>>18730419
bodied that freak

>>18730295
The "Middle Class" are not: Whites making between 32,000 and 150,000 a year.
The Middle Class, the bourgeois parasite are people of all races making less than 30,000 per year and those making more than 150,000 per year.

The 30-150k are artisans, the displaced scions of Nobility.
It is the elite and the dregs who are the middle peasantry, the bourgeois, the parasites, siphoning off of the producers, the high quality, the esteemed and respected producers and proletariat laborers.

Steven Bonnel is the archetype of the Middle Class American.

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>>18730426
>The 30-150k are artisans, the displaced scions of Nobility.
Yeah yeah whatever you have to tell yourself, now make sure you put the milk in the BACK of the fridge this time.

>>18730432
>>18730434
why do peasants get so mad when you point out the reality of modern life?
the middle class is a parasitic bourgeois mafia, this exists SOLELY in the poors and the elites.
the well to do working class are the nobility dragging everyone else along.

>>18730422
his post agreed with mine idiot

>>18730531
what is the middle-working-poor class distinction in your mind here?

If the middle class is the "parasitic bourgeois mafia", I assume that means like small business owners? So then the working class below them would be Chipotle burrito makers and Subway sandwich artisans? Those are your displaced nobility?

>>18730295
There is no middle class. Class is determined by your relationship to capital. If you have no recourse but to trade your labor for a wage, you're working class. A proletarian. If you make your living off the backs of laborers through rent collection, dividends, et cetera, you're bourgeoisie. The "middle class" exist only to divide the proletariat.

There is no more recognizable class distinction in the sense of income being closely correlated with culture.

Everyone just scrolls on social media and watches either sports or anime or TV and goes to the same concerts and movies.

Billionaires may be able to afford to fly on a nicer plane to a nicer beach than the middle class, who can afford a nicer plane to a nicer beach than the working class, who have to fly coach or drive to the shitty state beach, but everyone's culture is the same.

Everyone's part of the same system, everyone's competing for the same jobs.

the people at the top got perfect test scores and had the perfect ideas for software startups or made the perfect investments. The people in the middle got slightly worse test scores and became merely employees of the top people at their software/chemical/tool/insurance companies, then the people at the bottom had the worst scores and ended up in service.

It's all a sliding scale, a gradient. There's no factory owning class with taste and culture alien to the factory working class. Jeff Bezos is just us if we had 100x better test scores and got 100x luckier and were 100x more priviledged and had 100x better business instincts.

But there's no discontinuous gap between our two classes, it's a continuous sliding scale from us to Bezos

>>18730551
>the people at the top got perfect test scores and had the perfect ideas for software startups or made the perfect investments. The people in the middle got slightly worse test scores and became merely employees of the top people at their software/chemical/tool/insurance companies, then the people at the bottom had the worst scores and ended up in service.
This is downright fantastical. The people at the top, the billionaires, are almost universally the children of existing wealth. Gates received a contract with IBM because of his mother's connections to the board of directors. Musk comes from a wealthy South African family and his father owned multiple emerald mines. Bezos received a quarter of a million dollars in seed funding from his parents. The self-made billionaire is a myth. They start wealthy and then claw their way to the top by ruthlessly exploiting others.

>>18730562
I think the point that anon was making was that most ultra rich people don't have their own culture. They're all tacky and consume the same media, high fashion, and products poors do. They have money and IQ but no refined tastes.

>>18730562
This is funny because about a hundred years ago you would have been right. Everyone who was rich had been in a rich family for a thousand years, and the only way they were rich was because someone in their family fought bravely in a war and was awarded a large track of rent-producing land by the king.

Now you just sound so pathetic. Gates's dad was an attorney and his mom had a friend with IBM who she told to invest in Gates because he was smart. Musk's and Bezos's parents were millionaires.

None of that is fucking aristocracy or nobility, that's just formerly penniless families, who three generations ago were totally unknown losers, slowly working their way up the capitalist system. The first generation works their way into owning a store. The second generation works their way into running a bank. The third generation becomes a software CEO.

Your point is that if Bezos never got that funding he never would have become a billionaire. Yeah, that's right, he would have had to be the generation that became the bank president, and his kids would have had the shot at being the CEO.

This is how capitalism works, you work your way up. You're just complaining that you have to compete with other people, which, newsflash, will never stop happening because not competing just makes you a sucker for those willing to compete.

>>18730562
>the life savings of every family must get reset to be universally balanced every generation, wiping out whatever advantage they spent their life working to give their children, because I am the resentful child of immigrants who never should have come here and I hate having to compete with the natives who let me in

Poor people would allow him to rape their kids, rich people would let him rape the poor's kids.

That's basically what conservatism boils down to.

>>18730605
You forgot to add once they accumulated enough wealth and influence they proceed to buy out local and national positions of government and pull the ladder up behind them with regulations and red tape, which literally defeats the purpose of capitalism, thereby establishing a new aristocracy of corporations.
Race to the bottom.

>>18730551
Enlightened.
Leftoid larpers demolished.
>>18730562
And then the CIA destroyed global south liberation movements. Are you wearing your che guevara pajamas right now?

>>18730544
You arent aware of the great displacement because you are an ignorant science denying lefty.
Its the Harpending and Frost study.
The rulers and the poor genetically resemble the medieval peasant more than the small business owner and the burrito makers who are a near 1:1 with medieval nobility.

Obviously this only applies to Whites, nons and orcs still have their traditional genetic hierarchy.


You can even see firsthand with elites and poors being eccentric dysgenic freaks while the working class are healthy and pro-social, taller, and more attractive.

Class struggle is bs anyways. The only thing that matters is the Volk

>>18730419
Do not forget, middle class hate other people in the middle class. They often feel like many of the others got there by some kind of corrupt (being lifted up by playing into upper class power games) or criminal (being lifted up by exploiting various vices or just straight up stealing shit) pathway. Which seems to be what Destiny (stripper name desu) is saying, he just doesn't realize he is middle class.

It's possible by working hard and/or making good decisions and/or organizing effectively, but it's also possible to get there in other ways, and it's also possible to do all the right things and get blocked out.

>>18730295
>poor trash person
>somewhat smarter than the braindead trashy hicks around him so he develops and inflated ego and thinks hes a genius
>because of his autistic alienation, falls into internet subcultures
>makes a career out of playing video games and some how becomes rich
>has no real moral, political, or philsophical backbone
>despite his arrogance about the people he grew up around, hes still nothing more than a creature of habit
>is a disgusting coomer freak who views other people as nothing more than holes to stick his dick into
>Fashions himself as some sort of expert debator because he got into a few heated political debates with other retards on video games
>anytime he tries to do an actual debate or goes up against anyone whos not some random 20 weed/pajama pants walmart person he embarasses himself
Also the fact that hes a wormy little midget yet makes these sweeping political violence statements is annoying. Him and MovieBlob are both these dysgenic ugly freaks yet they tease about eugenics because they think they are like super geniuses because these read wikipedia pages. Imagine how fun it would be to just walk up to this little scumbag and punch him in his stupid face as hard as you possible could to the point that you injure your hand. The soreness in your knuckles for the next few days after the fact wouldnt even be an issue, it would be a sweet reminder.

>>18730295
uh oh what's zestiny done now

>>18730426
>the displaced scions of Nobility.

That's..that's like the literal origin of the middle class as a concept. Untitled second sons etc who were neither serfs/peasants nor titled nobility. Holding a position in the "middle" of the hierarchy.

>>18730419
Trvke

>>18731336
Middle class as in middle social strata but we mean genetically, the true middle class are the poors.

What’s actually wrong with the middle class? They’re like the archetype the proletariat who needs to be enlightened and lead forward.
The lower classes are lumpen non productive.
The upper classes are parasitic freaks

>>18731353
>the true middle is the lower

That's not how that works

Isn't this guy a capital-L Liberal? The entire Liberal world order relies on a healthy base of middle class people to sustain demand for new products and other improvements that keep an industrial economy going. Is he stupid?

>>18731424
He doesn't hate the actual middle class, he hates upper middle class people that LARP as people who struggle financially after they constantly make retarded decisions.

upper class = you can retire at 40
middle class = you have a job that can afford a house and a car but your life would still fall apart the second you lost said job

>>18730419
The middle class also makes both look like degenerate freaks. Drug abuse, infidelity, backstabbing, and child sexual abuse are all commonplace among both the rich and the poor, but not the middle class.

>>18730605
You have it completely ass backwards. Noblemen had to constantly fight to maintain their position. Literally fight. Not even a total monster like Richard III was able to weasel his way out of it and it got his head split open. A jew in the US with millionaire parents and corporate connections is orders of magnitude more privileged and set up for effortless success than a medieval prince.

There is no such dichotomy as "middle class" "lower class" "upper class".

>>18730295
marxist praxis is posing as a liberal while espousing revolutionary thought!
>>18730301
DGGL, nigga

>>18730562
This.
Many Americans do not want to admit it, because it shatters the myth that they have been fed from birth.

>>18731526
>>18731920
you could have just gotten a better SAT score, written a better essay, and had a better idea for a profitable startup. But you didn't. Neither did I. That's why we're here.

If your parents were too poor to give you the kind of privileged upbringing Zuckerberger and Muskrat had, well then you could have been the generation that owns a furniture store or other small business, and you could have given your children a privileged upbringing so they could go to Harvard. Like how Zuckerberg and Gates's great-grandparents were completely obscure middle or lower class, and it was their grandparents and parents generation that slowly climbed the ranks to give them a privileged childhood. But you didn't do that either.

>>18731936
You realize that billionaires like Musk and Zuck don't actually invent anything, right? They use their parents' money to gamble on startups until they happen to get lucky, and the richer their parents, the more chances they get. Zucky stole the idea for Facebook after his "rate hot girls" site flopped. Musk was purely the money guy for Paypal, he had minimal input otherwise. The richest people are never the smartest people. They pay smart people and then steal the value of their labor.

>>18731936
>well then you could have been the generation that owns a furniture store or other small business
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Are you a boomer?

A furniture business are you joking?
Businesses need capital to be started up, or require a loan from the bank. Nowadays it's not so easy. Mega corporations control many small businesses and snuff out competition, even operating at a loss.

Sorry grandpa, the world has changed.

>>18731956
Do you even remember what we're arguing about faggot? I never once said Musk or Zuckerberg were these golden boy heroes we need to worship for being so smart and inventive.

I don't care about them, I don't like them. They're not important to me. I don't think they've ever invented anything useful, ever.

The point I was originally arguing, that you disagreed with, is that our modern billionaire class are not a distinct aristocracy or nobility, a racial class distinct from us lower class helots or plebs, separated by culture and language and blood and tribe. They are not a bunch of knights who won our lands in war and now extract rent from our farms.

That system was totally dissolved over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries. We were all mixed together. The helots and plebs won, we are all helots now. Our modern billionaire class is the people who just sort of climbed and strove and backstabbed and cheated and invented and worked and SAT scored their way to the top. Yes a lot of it was cheating. A lot of it was also genuine IQ and math scores and essays and business acumen.
They are supercharged versions of helots. There is literally nothing racially or culturally or linguistically or tribally distinguishable between me or Elon Musk. He just has a hundred billion more dollars than me, but he also scrolls Twitter and watches The Odyssey by Chris Nolan and complains it's too woke, just like me! This shitty disgusting niggerhell HellWorld needs to be nuked ASAP, that's the point.

>>18731959
the furniture store thing was obviously a reference to Gates's grandfather, if you didn't have autism you would have been able to translate that into modern language, which would mean getting a six figure job and saving enough to give your kid a privileged upbringing, so that his kid can be slightly more privileged, et cetera

Also you are a completely fucking retarded nigger who's on the /his/ board and thinks businesses didn't need capital or loans in the past. Amazing because you could just look up the history of your country 100 years ago and learn people also needed loans and capital and that's how jews got so fucking rich. Nothing has changed.

All of our countries have extinction-level birth rates, industries are going to shrink like crazy and huge opportunities for landgrabs are going to open up but you're not going to do anything about it.

You're going to call me a boomer for suggesting you work to become white collar middle class, and when you see how easy things become in 60 years, when the populations of our countries have been cut in half and there are houses and acres of land everywhere ripe for the taking, you will want to kill yourself for not listening to me.

>>18731966
Then the point you're trying to make is totally irrelevant. Class isn't about culture or race or any of that nonsense. Class is about one's relationship to capital.

>>18731969
>Gates's grandfather.
That was my point, an out of date example, from another age.

>which would mean getting a six figure job.
I'll pull up my bootstraps and just walk into one okay.

>and saving enough to give your kid a privileged upbringing, so that his kid can be slightly more privileged, et cetera
This does not take into account cost of living, inflation, economic recession and so on.

>>18731969
Everything has changed and you're retarded if you don't see that.
Yes you could get a six figure job, but that requires spending half a decade in education and going through a thousand job interviews whereas in the past everyone was hiring people with empty resumes and you learned everything on the job while getting paid, and then worked yourself to a high salary.
Yes people needed some starting capital in the past too, but FAR less than you need today as there weren't a shit tonne of expensive government regulations and there weren't multinational megacorporations around the block that you cannot possibly compete with.