Religion starts to make more sense when you start with the assumption that God is a massive chud.

>>18732852
Before someone suggests Satan being behind it, we can also question why God created rape and cannibalism in the first place. He could've created a world without them.

>>18732870
that's why I'm a chud. by being a chud I can become closer to God.

>>18732873
What you don't understand is that Christtards think all of that is good and holy and it's prideful to ask why it happens. Or if they want to be dishonest they bring out free will o algo, or other shitty cope

>>18732879
Yeah free will is the next branch of the dialogue tree for reltards. A better defeater is to ask why God created such horrible diseases and disabilities like mouth cancer or Harlequin ichthyosis.

>>18732879
>>18733010
Can you realistically do anything about it? No? Then whats the point of thinking of raped monkeys and deformed babies 24/7? You are mentally disturbed, fucked in the head. These kind of thoughts dont cross the minds of the minds of people who are actually alligned with God. Are the fruits of atheism malding about horrific shit 24/7? I think its self-evident how alligning yourself to God is better for your mental health from this argument alone. Take from this what you will.

>>18733054
Are you unable to comprehend that some people have shit lives? I'm not even concerned about those things 24/7 you retarded fuck. My life will always be shit.

>>18733069
>I'm not even concerned about those things 24/7 you retarded fuck
This isnt the first time I heard the Harlequin babies brought up here. And I doubt its multiple people that immediatly bring that up whenever a "God bad" topic comes up. So you are obviously lying. Stop thinking about that shit bro. Its not healthy. Whats the point of malding at God all day long if you cant do anything about it?

>>18733054
You're malding. Oh no I called you bald, now your God is going to summon she-bears to maul me. Your God is not good. But worse than that, your God is gay.

>>18733054
If you read anything from the Middle Ages you will see that God-aligned people spent most of their time thinking and writing about how fucked up the world is in grotesque detail

>>18733074
I'm not the anon who said that. You are so self righteous. It's ridiculous. My life is shit and God wanted it so if that piece of filth exists. He could easily prevent all bad according to christcuck theories, but you will deflect this. Arguing on 4chan also isn't healthy and yet you're doing it, moron hypocrite. I'm not your "bro" also.

>>18733074
>god is an evil bastard but you should ignore that for the sake of your mental health
Currentyear christian apologetics are wild.

>>18732870
>>18732877
I wonder what Chud Anon thinks.
Where is he anyway?

>>18733078
Whatever buddy, im not here to pick fights. I only figured I respond out of pity and try to make you understand the futility on malding about God. Seems like I struck a nerve if your agitated responses are anything to go by. I apologize for that. You genuinely seem to be stuck in a loop and I hope you break out of it someday towards something better. God bless.

>>18733087
The bible condemns deceit. You could just be honest and say what you really think towards me, but you won't, coward. Your fake sympathy is disgusting, and perhaps even more repulsive than outright saying what your petty little heart wants, which, if your holy texts are anything to go by, is my destruction. There is no loop to get out of, your god put me here to suffer if he exists, and he jacks off to my suffering. You can tell me it's futile and that won't stop me, nice try though.

>>18733074
>This isnt the first time I heard the Harlequin babies brought up here
Because it's a classic example, dumbass. Like amputees and why there aren't any cases of miracles where God regrows lost limbs.

>>18733079
I never said He was an evil bastard, thats just your perspective. And yes, obsessing about raped monkeys and deformed babies is not good for your mental health. Are you denying that?

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>>18732852
>They don't have free will according to christian theology
I don't know about that, but animals are cursed along with humans because the entire world itself is cursed. The Bible also shows that God can allow demons to possess animals. God also permits Satanic forces to rule, lead. guide, and direct men where they desire to overlook God's word.

Mankind is "sold under sin" (Rom. 7:14), which is why God has delegated authority to Satan, who is in charge of this present world system.

The suffering caused by humans and animals is part of that curse. The better question is, why does God allow good things to happen to us despite us humans being evil and deserving eternal hell?

When things happen to an unsaved man, whether those things are good or bad, they happen because God doesn't want the fellow to end up in the Lake of Fire.

Every good thing that happens to us, and every second that humans get to live in their sinful state, continually rejecting what God wants without immediately being executed for it, is undeserved mercy. Humans are suffering in this world to wake them up and show them their need of Jesus Christ, because God doesn't want them in Hell, which is worse than whatever happens on earth.

The conditions on earth are intentionally horrible so that you can't believe a lie by believing that God is not angry with the world and isn't going to judge it. You can force yourself to believe it if you want, but the evidence proves otherwise.

Jesus Christ is The Lord God in the flesh. He came to Earth in human form, willingly died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. He now offers complete and permanent spiritual cleansing and eternal life to anyone who trusts Him enough to ask Him for it, instead of trusting their own works to be saved.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>18733102
>A baby with genetic diseases is evil o algo

>>18733095
>You could just be honest and say what you really think towards me, but you won't, coward.
Pity. And thats being honest. I dont know, man. I think you are way too cynical to trust other people. You can keep posting about raped monkeys if it makes you feel better, I guess. I just hope things work out for you.

>>18733104
Is this "o algo" thing just some ESL /int/ meme that got exported to /his/? I feel like I don't see it on other boards.

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>>18733102
>God also permits Satanic forces to rule, lead. guide, and direct men where they desire to overlook God's word.
But men desire to overlook God's word because Satanic forces rule, lead, guide, and direct them.

>>18733111
Its zoomer speak

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>>18732852
That's a thing?

>>18733142
Oh my sweet summer child...

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>>18733114
Yes, humans naturally believe a lie, but God gives them a choice. When a sinner is presented with the Scriptures explaining salvation, the faith to believe it is given to him (Romans 10:8 and 17). A person doesn't have to keep believe a lie unless they want to.

The other choice a sinner can make is quenching the conviction of the Holy Spirit and defy the Lord, turning his back on the Bible and sin against his conscience to sear it. The lost try to alibi their way out of believing to avoid responsibility in willful ignorance. Will you believe that He did that for you, will you receive Him as your own personal Saviour? Plain and simple.

It's exactly because men desire to overlook God's word, that God let that happen in the first place, it didn't initially start out like that.

>>18733104
It's easy to say God is wrong for allowing an innocent baby to suffer, when you don't know everything He knows. The same God who allows horrible things like that to happen has proven that He is loving by suffering the price of the sin that humans caused Himself. Salvation is a free gift, but you can try to cling onto some technicality or seemingly baffling thing that you can't understand why God allows it to be that way, but that doesn't change the fact that God is willing to save people from hell if they want to be saved, but He doesn't force people to be saved either, and lets them continue believing a lie if they want to.

https://kjvcode.com/

>>18733078
>>18733069
If life is soooo bad like you claim why not kill yourself since you refuse to work to better yourself?

>>18732852
They don't have answers to basic scrutiny because in their system basic scrutiny simply would not exist.

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>>18733153
>naturally believe a lie
>doesn't have to keep believe a lie unless they want

>>18733202
I already told you, God is the one that gives us the choice, not ourselves.

Do you WANT to believe the truth, or do you WANT to cling onto the lie that God isn't real and that there is no judgement?

It's the will of God for you to be saved, but you can reject that will. God has given you that option. Just because humans naturally believe a lie, doesn't mean God can't help them, and He is willing to help, but humans keep rejecting His help. That's why people go to hell, they keep refusing until time runs out.

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>>18733246
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


Romans 9:14-24 KJV

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>>18733248
https://archive.org/details/bookofromans0000ruck/page/368/mode/2up

"The Calvinist teaches that God made some people for the sole purpose of sending them to Hell. They justify this abominable teaching with verses 15-18.

But that is not what verse 15 or Exodus 33:19 said. Both verses were simple statements of fact: You don't decide whether God will have mercy on you; God decides whether He will have mercy on you. But God bases that decision on the conditions He has set for showing His mercy to a sinner.

Look at Exodus 20:5-6, "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation...." There is your "reprobation." But is it based on some capricious decision made "before the foundation of the world"? Of course not! God visited that iniquity on the children of "them that hate me." It was based on a decision the sinner made and what that sinner did.
"And shewing mercy...." To whom? The elect? Those whose dead wills were overcome by irresistible grace? Don't be silly. "Unto thousands of them THAT LOVE ME, AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."
God set a condition for His mercy. Those who met that condition found mercy. Those who didn't found His wrath. A person could not will to make God have mercy on him, but he could will to meet God's condition for mercy.

The New Testament application is clear. God has chosen to show a sinner mercy in Jesus Christ. So anyone who comes to Jesus Christ in the way God prescribed by faith in His atoning work receives God's mercy. Sure, there was nothing he could do to force God to have mercy on Him, but by doing what the Lord told him to do to get that mercy, he could receive it.
You will come to God on His terms, or you won't come. You can try to theologically excuse your way out of it, but when all is said and done, the only person you have to blame for your damnation is you, yourself. God set the terms of the peace treaty, and you wouldn't sign.

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>>18733297
>So anyone who comes to Jesus Christ in the way God prescribed by faith in His atoning work receives God's mercy

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


John 6:60-65 KJV

>>18733302
Im guessing the sentence that confuses you is this:
>And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

To make it clear, nothing that a person does can save them. It's true that if you confess the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour, trusting him from your heart instead of refusing Him, you will be saved, but that's not the reason you were saved.

You were only saved because God saved you, not because of something you believed, trusted etc.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Its not even your faith, because it's given to you by God (Romans 10:8 and 17), and what keeps a Christian saved is the faith of God as well (Galatians 2:20).

You cannot save yourself no matter what. It has to be done by God, so therefore no one can come to God and be saved unless God Himself does it. The condition is presented by God: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in the way God prescribed by faith in His atoning work receives God's mercy.

If you refuse, you won't be called by the Father, and you can't come onto The Lord Jesus.

It's not some sort of game of luck, where you hope you're one of the special lucky few who get called.

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>>18733381
>You were only saved because God saved you, not because of something you believed

>The condition is presented by God: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ

>>18733381
Btw
>If you refuse, you won't be called by the Father, and you can't come onto The Lord Jesus.
It's the other way around, but you know that.

>>18733396
Yeah, that's the condition, but it's not you that achieved it. It was something that's only possible to do because God gave you the ability to because you wanted it, and He wanted to give it to you. Not because you did. There's a difference.

To be even more clear: The reason why believing on The Lord Jesus Christ for your Salvation saves you is not because you believed, it's because that's the promise God gave.

If God didn't promise to save a person that believes on the Lord Jesus Christ to be Saved from hell, you would not be saved.

it's as simple as that.

>>18733405
But you only wanted to believe because God made you someone who wants to believe.

>>18733420
Humans have free will. God does not force people to make the decisions He would want them to make. He does not "make" people into people who want to believe. He makes people with free wills to make their own decisions. If someone wants to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, they can. If they don't want to, they can do that, even though God doesn't want them to reject Him.

This is what God wants:

1 Timothy 2:4
“Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

Is that going to happen? No. If God forced people to become people who wants to believe, then everyone would be saved, because God wants every single human to be saved.

---

Matthew 23:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”

God would have treated them differently, but they refused to do hat God wanted them to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:18
“In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.”

Do Christians always thank God in everything? Not every thing, which means they are not always doing what God wants.

Proverbs 1:25
“But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:”

>>18733457
You're getting confused because of this "free will" notion. There is no free will. It's a nonsensical concept that doesn't even stand up to basic levels of scrutiny. You're not a disembodied Cartesian subject. You are who you are. Your soul has a form, just as your body has a form. And just as some bodies are created beautiful and some deformed, some souls are created beautiful and some deformed. The ones created deformed go to hell and get punished not because of their "moral responsibility" based on a notion of free will. No, they get punished because of WHO THEY ARE. They are wicked, their souls are unclean, they are deformed, they are CREATED AS DESERVING PUNISHMENT, and that's what they get.

When Jesus said separate the wheat from the chaff. The chaff has an inferior form. It gets thrown into the fire BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS, not because it "chose to be that way" (a concept which doesn't even make sense, since all of our desires are the result of the forms of our souls).

>>18732870
More like a bored dude who sometimes makes fucked up shit for lulz.

>>18733469
When a human is born, that human is "in Adam". We sin because we are "in Adam," (Rom. 5:19); we die because we are "in Adam" (1 Cor. 15:22; Rom. 5:17). But when a man receives Christ as his Saviour, he is no longer "in Adam"; he is then "in Christ" (1 Cor. 12:13, 27; Eph. 5:30).

Moreover, Christ is in you (Col. 1:27) in the person of the Holy Ghost (Rom. 8:9-16). When God looks at a saved man, He does not see a sinner in Adam's image, but His own Son who is "the image of God" Himself (2 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 1:3).

Adam was created in the image of God, then because of sin, he lost that image. That means everyone born after Adam has the same fallen nature as Adam.

>No, they get punished because of WHO THEY ARE. They are wicked, their souls are unclean, they are deformed, they are CREATED AS DESERVING PUNISHMENT, and that's what they get.

That's how every human is born as. Wicked.

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." (Ps 9:17)

That's why you have to be born again.

Once you are born again, you will never be a sinner spiritually in Christ, because the flesh is separated from the spirit and soul ("putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:" Colossians 2:11-14).

>>18733486
Why did Adam sin though?

>>18733490
Because he chose to, he had free will. Just like humans still have free will now.

God didn't force Adam obey Him perfectly in everything. Neither did God force Adam to disobey Him.

Humans have free will. Humans have responsibility. Deal with it.

>>18733496
Kek, but he had no reason to "freely choose" (read randomly act) to disobey God. What could have caused him to sin if not God making him someone who would eventually want to sin?

>>18733501
>What could have caused him to sin if not God making him someone who would eventually want to sin?

...You mean a being with a free will to make decisions that don't necessarily align with what God wants?

The reason he chose to disobey was because he didn't want to be separated from Eve, he definitely had a reason to disobey. Sure, God could have created Adam in a way that limited his ability to make decisions so that Adam would never disobey God, but God chose to create Adam in a way that allows Adam to disobey if he wants to.

That is literally free will. Plain and simple.

God can and will hold someone responsible for rejecting The Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour. They don't reject salvation because God made them reject it.

Humans can't fully understand how God does things, but He definitely does not hold someone responsible for something He made them do.

>>18733506
>That is literally free will. Plain and simple.
But it's not, he made man in such a way he knew he would choose woman over him. That's God setting him up to inevitably fall and become "wicked." That's entirely God's responsibility as man's creator.

>>18733513
Just because God knew Adam would sin, doesn't mean He made Adam a sinner.

You completely misunderstand what free will even means. Yes, God COULD have made Adam in a way that he wouldn't sin, but then that would have been God forcing Adam to never disobey Him. That's not free will, that's God forcing Adam to be exactly the kind of being that God wants him to be.

>>18733513
Basically, God doesn't want us to choose Him because He made us choose Him.

God wants us to choose Him out of our own free will, just like He chose to love us out of His own free will.

If God forced Adam to be created in a way the Adam would always choose God over Eve, then that wouldn't really be Adam choosing God, that would just be a puppet doing exactly what it's creator forced it to do.

>>18733519
If he put the desire to sin in Adam when he made him then he caused Adam to sin. There was never any free choice involved, Adam never had a say in who he was because his nature preceded his conscience. God shapes man's nature before he's born.

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Psalm 139:13-16 KJV

>>18733528
You're just bringing up the same point I already addressed over and over again.

This headcanon of humans not having free will is not supported by the Bible.

God did not restrict Adam's desires to only cause Him to never disobey Him. I'm sure that God had a good reason for doing that.

One of the reasons is that if God restricted Adam to not be able to desire disobeying Him, he would not be able to actually be able to make any decision that doesn't align with the will of God. I already explained that multiple times.

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>>18733526
Adam didn't decide who he would be. Pharaoh also didn't decide who he would be. And we don't decide who we will be either. It's God alone who decides.

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Jeremiah 1:5 KJV

>>18733540
>This headcanon of humans not having free will is not supported by the Bible
Kek, but it's free will that's the headcanon.

>>18732852
Enjoy Hell.

>>18733545
Leviticus 22:18
“Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering;”

>freewill offerings

Oh no.

Now read more: Lev. 22v21, 22v23, 23v38, Num 15v3, 29v39, Deut 12v6, 12v17, 16v10, 23v23, 2 Chron 31v14, Ezra 1v4, 3v5, 7v13, 7v16, 8v28, Ps 119v108.

>>18733541
Those words are meant for Jeremiah.

>>18733556
Freewill in that context simply means not obligatory. Whatever motivated them to make offerings was also defined by God when he created those people.

>Those words are meant for Jeremiah.
Yes. Could Jeremiah have chosen not to be a prophet?

>>18733584
>Whatever motivated them to make offerings was also defined by God when he created those people.

And the proof for that is?

>Yes. Could Jeremiah have chosen not to be a prophet?
Why not? If Jeremiah was not going to be a prophet, then God would have chosen Him. You see God has this fun ability to know the future. God can choose anyone He wants to be a prophet, and He chose Jeremiah to be a prophet.

>>18733597
>then God would have chosen Him.
Meant to say God wouldn't have chosen Jeremiah to be a prophet if Jeremiah didn't want to be.

I'm going to stop arguing now since I'm just repeating the same point for probably the fourth or fifth time now. It seems you want to keep believing that humans don't have free will, in which case, why suffer?

If you don't have free will, then that means absolutely everything is pointless. You're suffering for absolutely no reason at all.

There is literally no reason to live if you think you don't have a free will, but that is obviously not the truth. Humans have free will.

If I believed I didn't have free will, I would just try to kill myself to try to stop my suffering, but clearly the Bible shows humans have free will, you have to purposely delude yourself into thinking you don't have free will. That's absolute foolishness.

>>18733597
>And the proof for that is?
They have an omnipotent and omniscient creator. Unless you believe God creates them randomly, which goes against what the Bible says, then it follows logically that they behave as God intended them to behave.

>You see God has this fun ability to know the future.
But that's the whole point. If he saw Jeremiah's future when he was creating him then the man never had any choice in any meaningful sense, except to experience the life God had envisioned for him before he was born.

>>18733606
Just because God can see the choices we make before we make them, doesn't mean He made us make those decisions. He permitted those decisions to happen despite the decisions being against His will.

Just because God has the power to not allow anything to happen that isn't against His will, doesn't mean that's how he operates.

For example, right now God is allowing sin to exist in this world, even though God hates sin.

>>18733605
>If you don't have free will, then that means absolutely everything is pointless. You're suffering for absolutely no reason at all.
We suffer because God wants us to suffer.

>If I believed I didn't have free will, I would just try to kill myself to try to stop my suffering
But you wouldn't be able to unless God made your suffering unbearable to you. One can only act according to his own personal inclinations. You can't seek death unless life is unviable to you. Likewise, a person can't seek redemption unless they feel remorse, and a person can only feel remorse if God made them remorseful.

>>18733615
>doesn't mean He made us make those decisions
But he created the impulses in you that would lead to those decisions. And since we're all created differently it follows that he arbitrarily chose some to be compelled to sin while others were free from such desires and slaves of righteousness.

>>18733624
Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Everyone of us was born a sinner.

>>18733618
>But you wouldn't be able to unless God made your suffering unbearable to you.

That's just a lie, one that benefits Calvinism. Just like I can hit myself in the head with my fist I can kill myself, that's my choice. For example, I just pinched myself, it hurt. That means I can also kill myself, but I didn't have any reason to pinch myself in the slightest. There was no motivation or desire for it because no one else can see it.

You just want to blame God for everything no matter what happens, its the humanist response.

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>>18733652
>Everyone of us was born a sinner
As God intended.

>There was no motivation or desire for it because no one else can see it.
There's no motivation or desire because God didn't give you any. Be thankful and rejoice that God only decided you would post on 4chan for now.

>You just want to blame God for everything no matter what happens, its the humanist response.
Well everything is his work. He has no one else to blame.

>>18732852
>rapists
>They don't have free will
SO HOW CAN THEY RAPE?

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Honestly as a Christian this is an argument that has always had a profound effect on me. If you want to say homosexuality is wrong or more especially unnatural, why would you make homosexual ducks? It really doesn't make much sense to me.

>>18733664
You don't realize it, but all you're doing is tempting weak minded people to kill themselves. You're trying to make people think that they don't have a choice even though God has given them a choice.

Like I said, if you don't have free will, then you can simply delude yourself into thinking that if you kill yourself, it's just the will of God. That's schizo thinking.

The world is a harsh, cruel place, and there's plenty of temptation to kill yourself.

Calvinism is just one of the many schemes of Satan to make people kill themselves so they don't accept The free gift of salvation, by making them think they simply can't, and that God wants to send them in hell without ever giving them any choice to not go to hell.

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>>18733678
Early Christianity was already a suicide cult, we don't need to skip to the 16th century for that.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

John 12:24-26 KJV

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>>18732852
>cannibal baby rapists animals
OP is mentally ill

Here are some questions which can break the spell of Abrahamism over your brains;


what's the difference morally between a fetus and God?

why do you want to have children here if you believe that there is a chance that your children could burn in Hell forever?

Just immediately unapologetically demolishes the social conditioning.

>>18733944
I'm sorry but asking nonsensical questions is not proving your point.

>>18733977
What are your answers to the questions?

We were supposed to have eliminated all other primates, and we failed. They're evil incarnate. How much longer must we suffer sharing a planet with them?

>>18733983
What is the difference between eating spaghetti with a spoon and picking a booger out of your nose? Checkmate, atheist.

>>18733987
You know you're not being good faith in your reponses.

I suspect that my questions are working in making you question your own worldview.

>>18733989
And I also know that you're not asking questions in good faith, which is why you are getting bad faith responses.

>>18733991
Can you explain how my questions are in bad faith?

>>18733999
No, I don't have to explain that to you.

>>18734002
You do.

>>18732873
God didn't create that, man did via sin

Sophistry.

>>18732852
>if God why bad thing
Atheists think this makes them right, but in reality asking a question that has been answered every day and is easily found on their glowing square just makes them look really stupid.

>>18735019
But I have a glowing rectangle

>>18733054
Ignoring evil is holy? Is that what Jesus would say?

>>18733099
>pondering about the wonders of God's creation is bad now

>>18733099
>obsessing raped monkeys and deformed babies is healthy

>>18735746
>WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS HMM?

>>18735705
Feel free to daydream about your monkey rape fantasies. Dont let me stop you.

>>18735749
Yes, unironically why? I mean who am I to judge if thats how you want to spend your precious time.

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>>18735754
I am a bonafide Christian and even I think this is a good question. Why make things in nature that you find abhorent for humans to engage in? It just sends a mixed message. I don't really get it myself but I guess its the curse or whatever. This is why I'm a fideist, you can get into the weeds quickly if you start trying to apprehend everything with the heckin' science blob.

>>18733153
>some technicality
yeah you say that because it's not your baby monkey ass getting raped and eaten alive

>>18732852
This case has nothing to do with Will. Animals dont have Will, like Man. The monkey senses the world and forms a mental image of the particular that is sensed. Then, they can make basic judgements about whether different courses of actions for this particular mental image will be good for them. They are swayed by passions and instinct a lot more than Man. This particular rape/canabol monkey might have an extremely high disposition for being swayed by his apetites than other monkeys, which is why he rapes and canibolizes.

Man is categorically different. Manly because he is able to to apply logic and Universals. Man understands the Universal Good and applies that and logic to his mental image to make a decision on the best course of action. In doing so, a healthy man will subordinate the need to eat and reproduce to the greater good of not canabolizing or raping. Read up on the differences between the intellectual loops of man vs animals. Will is also known as the rational apetite.

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We live in the worst of all possible worlds.
The universe we live in is designed to yield maximum suffering over an indefinite time frame. The good parts are only there to deceive you into persevering and reproducing so you can suffer even more tomorrow.
Seriously, consider all the ways this could be a better possible world? The possibilities are endless.
Now consider ways this could be a worse possible world? Any further alterations would likely just result in total death and an end to the suffering, which would defeat the point.
The Demiurge wants your loosh.

>>18735852
Cheer up, glass half empty guy. Better days are coming.

>>18735776
what of cannonball monkes

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>>18735763
You're just assuming it's unfair, that you don't deserve it etc. You don't have all the facts, you don't know the future or every possibility.

You can't decide what's just or that humans don't deserve to suffer. All your knowledge was given to you.

You don't have a real reason to reject salvation, you just want an excuse like something horrible happened to another person, and if it happened to me I would be too horrified to even open my eyes or get up from the ground, therefore i'm allowed to have no responsibility. That's just not the truth. The Bible is proven to be the truth, therefore either accept it, instead of refusing salvation or perish.

https://kjvcode.com/

>>18737046
NTA

You do not have morality if you believe that a conscious viewpoint deserves to be forced into this world and then subject to its terrors.

>>18737166
How can you know it's not deserved? Or that it's even forced? Or anything really? Everything we know is limited info. The Bible is the only truth, and although it's horrible to be born into this world, you don't have an all-knowing viewpoint that let's you know for sure that what's happening is something that God can't ever make right or just.

For example, an animal might think that you're horrible for sticking a needle into their body, even though the needle was a cure to stop them from immense pain.

For the rest of that animals life, they'll think of you as evil because they think you hurt them for no reason. In the same way, we don't know what God knows, like why He put us here. We are lesser beings that don't have information higher beings have, why is what we humans think the truth? Just because it seems like the truth to us, that doesn't mean it's true.

Just like a human knows a little bit more than an animal, God knows infinitely more than a human.

>>18737046
>The Bible is proven to be the truth
How so?

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>>18732852
the world is a simulation, and the guy at the keyboard is an elon musk

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>>18732852
>according to christian theology
accourding to judeo-christian-islamic theology
fixed

>>18732852
God either does not exist or is not omnipotent. Fortunately, if He is not omnipotent, He can still be omnibenevolent, and even attainable (merging with Him)

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>>18737355
Because it's the only thing in this world that has enough evidence to actually back itself up. There is nothing else that is worth believing more than the Bible. If you look at the history of the world, and then look at what the Bible actually is, it makes sense. There is no other book than can be compared with the Bible, and the world hates it particularly for that reason. Do you really think all the satanic stuff you see in the mainstream, compared with any mention of Christianity being censored unless it's some perverted babylonian rape cult like Catholism. Do you really think that's all just a funny joke? That they're just larping as satan worshippers? There's nothing supernatural going on at all? Seriously? Just look at everything you see and open your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHq06-XWcxo&list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJJq3G4Q8b60ZDacfE8SCRt6&index=35

https://kjvcode.com/

The Bible is also confirmed by Jesus, who is Himself confirmed by prophecy, attested by God through miracles, and risen from the dead to glory, there is no one we ought to trust more than Jesus as to who God is. And Jesus points us back to the Bible and to the one, true God found therein, and confirms for us that the Triune God of Christian Scripture is the one true God. This is how we know who the real God is.

>>18738394
>To enter Jerusalem on a donkey Zechariah 9:9
But in Matthew 21:6-11 he enters Jerusalem on two donkeys

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>>18732852
violent sand monkeys ook ook ooga booga

>>18732873
learn moar post less
>god created satan
because humans have free will
and must choose between good & evil

>>18732852
>Why did God make cannibal baby rapists animals
God formed altruistic protector human beings, and the adversary was created there with them.
God said, "whence comith this shit?"
and the adversary said, "from going back and forth, and up and down and Oscillating around what was found."

>>18738458
He wasn't on two donkeys, he was sitting on one donkey. There is no contradiction. Matthew 21:2-7 tells us that there was both a donkey and a colt. Mark, Luke, and John focus on the colt only, Mark and Luke mentioning that no one had ever sat upon it. Mark and Luke focus on this detail while Matthew and John focus on prophetic fulfillment (Matthew 21:4-5). Logically, if there are two animals, then there is also, at least, one animal. To say there was one does not mean there weren’t two. This is not a verbal game. It is an issue of logic. Remember, the writers of the gospels wrote for a purpose. It was not to recount a chronologically precise account in minute details. It was to convey the validity of Christ.

If you want to study Bible "errors" you can check online sources like: https://nashpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/King_James_Bible/Answers-to-70-Apparent-Discrepencies-in-the-KJB.pdf


You can download a text version of this book from the bottom right:
https://archive.org/details/peter-s-ruckman-the-errors-in-the-king-james-bible_202301/

>>18732852
It didn't exist before the fall

>>18738693
Pretty weird that Mark, Luke, and John don't mention the other animal, and that Matthew is so preoccupied with making sure the reader is informed that the cloaks are placed on both animals, despite Jesus sitting only on one animal according to you.