It's bad enough that North Korea is so poor, but how the FUCK did South Korea become First World in a generation by contrast? It can't be as simple as "much capitalism" or US help, they're literally the same people!
Geography (the North is mountainous and has little arable land) plus access to very different international markets.Planned economies weren't even terrible until the Third Industrial Revolution of the 70s/80s, which is when the South took offBottom line is the heavier the bureaucracy the worse the economy, and it doesn't get any heavier than a Stalinist country
The Soviet Union ceasing to be North Korea's paypiggy in the late 80s-early 90s, their military-first policy and their refusal to transition to a Market based economy set North Korea up for failure.
>>18734705>Planned economies weren't even terrible untilstopped reading there
>>18734698North Korean man>Has sex>Has children>Goes his entire life without seeing niggers, troons or Jews But uh, yeah, it would be so much better if instead of having wives, kids and meaning they could play starcraft, listen to k-slop and have their women tell the world Korean men have small dicks on twitter. Truly they are the ones missing out.
>>18734710"Planned economies weren't terrible" is hardly glowing praise>>18734714>being chronically malnourished is better than seeing black people outsideI'd literally pay to ship you /pol/ faggots over there. You don't deserve to live in a democracy>inb4 another retarded reply saying starving to death in a totalitarian state is preferable to living in a flawed democracy, which is what you retards actually believe
>>18734718No one is starving to death in North Korea in 2026. This still happens in many capitalist «democracies» by the way but for some reason shills don’t care about that
>>18734714In America pre-civil rights era people had the freedom to racially segregate themselves.
>>18734725>No one is starving to death in North Korea in 2026.Yes they are, dipshit. Things don't magically become untrue because they make you uncomfortable with your political ideology.
the Kim family were never really communists anyway but more like warlords
>>18734735>Yes they are, dipshit.only you have zero stats for that and you just presume automatically, because of your political ideology
>>18734745Google it.>n-no you!You stormfaggots are so insufferable.
>>18734749>No, I won't prove my claims or admit I'm talking out my assWonderful, glad we cleared that up.
Admittedly things have improved since 2018. I think. I don't actually know.
>>18734750Will take you 5 minutes of research (if even that) to see I'm right. Google it, go ahead. Then admit to the thread that you were wrong and that you're a projecting retard.I won't reply to any subsequent posts you make unless you demonstrate that you've Googled it and seen that you were wrong. I might make another post with easily found info from Google proving that people still starve to death in North Korea, if you're too cowardly to admit that you're wrong.
>>18734754That's about 2000 calories a day. Perfect for 5'5" orientals
>>18734760Except you yourself never googled it. You are just repeating CIA memes you heard on TV years ago because your ideology needs them to be true.>I might make another post with easily found info from Google proving that people still starve to death in North KoreaBy all means, go ahead. It will be so funny to see what cope you come up with when you find out you've been talking out your ass with maximum confidence.
>>18734769>Except you yourself never googled it.Yes I did!>muh CIAShut up retard>By all means, go ahead.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-65881803Well there you have it!But it's ok, I could post overwhelming evidence and you would still reject it, because you're a weasely, lying faggot like all /pol/tards.
>>18734775>2023>(((BBC)))>"residents say"Holy kek, this is the best you can do?
>>18734698North Korea is the perfect example of a state sustained entirely by idealpolitik.
>>18734780North Korea doesn't even follow its own ideals. They're just a monarchist mafia without any real values to speak of.
>>18734706>Soviet Union stops giving freebies>Socialist ally economically implodesFunny how common it was. And now, imagine if, after WW2, the Soviet Union didn't waste so much money in such an oversized military industrial complex and giving freebies. I think it might still trucking around
>>18734850the planned economy would sink them in the end anyway, it's just a defective idea that never worked and never can work
>>18734714A country can’t be good to live in if you have to keep people in by force
>>18734698korea is a puppet state like germany. exact same situtation post war, divided between the united states and the ussr to end the war. now they each try to subdue the people with different methods.
North Korea opinion might be a midwit test. I actually believe NK was wise and is basically the last remant of oriental insularism (ie rejection of western technology and relying on native eastern wisdom). Look how bad SK birthrates and happiness are. Although western modernity has upsides it also has very stark downsides and NK has dodged quite a few of those. Maybe there is some wisdom in this path only time will tell but they certainly aren't absolutely "incorrect".
>>18734906>Look how bad SK birthrates and happiness areNK birthrates are shit too and there's no indication that the people are any happier.
>>18734855Soviet agriculture was a clusterfuck, but maybe spending money in commodity products instead of weapons (to store) and leeches could have helped them to survive a transition to a free market system. They were fairly close IRL, but then, that coup d'etat happened
>>18734906only there's no traditional Korean culture left there, just a pastiche of the circa 1954 Eastern Bloc
>>18734822Hahaha so true, unlike the Western world which is governed by ___
>>18734953Personally, I love living in a nation where I can talk shit about its leader without getting my brains blown out.
>>18734943Khrushchev kind of tried that, the military was indignant at having their budget cut and helped spearhead the move for his removal.
>>18734714>>Has sex>>Has childrenKim Jong Un literally appeared live on TV BEGGING people to breed.
>>18734698it seems that allying with China and Russia is not very conductive to prosperity
>>18735243Tbf, neither China nor Russia are inhibiting their ability to reform. I'm sure China would actually prefer that they did. But they don't because North Korea's government doesn't want to.
>>18735243^this
South Korea had authoritarian state capitalism rule, they liberalized a bit later
>>18734698Right wing in normal speech usually means an ethnic nationalist who cares about their people over other ethnicities.Park Chunghee was a "right wing" South Korean dictator and collaborator with Japan.When he ruled South Korea, he made it a policy to pimp Korean girls to Japanese businessmen and American troops to turn South Korea into a "Tiger economy" and "Miracle on the Han river".Over a million Korean prostitutes served Japanese businessmen and American soldiers under Park Chungheehttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16659572>>16659572Over 200,000 Korean girls were prostituted to Japanese businessmen in the 1970s by Park Chung-heehttps://newint.org/features/1993/07/05/sex#:~:text=They%20lighted%20on%20the%20Kisaeng,sales%20point%20for%20Japanese%20men.https://www.jstor.org/stable/43923277https://books.google.fr/books?id=tNNyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT294&lpg=PT294&dq=%22these+developments+in+the+latter+part+of+the+decade%22&source=bl&ots=o57QUcXOV1&sig=ACfU3U1ye5cK7o37ls01HC9CTRlc67G9Lw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5_c2Jw5L7AhX7_7sIHcuDAxoQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%22these%20developments%20in%20the%20latter%20part%20of%20the%20decade%22&f=falsehttps://g-turs.com/j-tour/japan-tour-holiday-pantip.htmlhttps://www.academia.edu/40146397/International_Cases_in_Tourism_Managementhttps://books.google.fr/books?id=OwssBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22They+lighted+on+the+Kisaeng,+a+traditional+Korean+dinner+and+provocative+entertainment,+as+the+main+sales+point+for%22&source=bl&ots=SXbgbcjtDM&sig=ACfU3U2UMEuDOHT0imB5oQMAAFXvWgP-jw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE5pyYwpL7AhUsgP0HHf-uBT0Q6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q&f=falsePark Chunghee sold 200,000 Korean girls to get raped by paedophiles in the west.https://www.npr.org/2022/12/09/1141912093/south-korea-adoptees-fraud-investigation-western-families>About 200,000 South Koreans, mostly girls, were adopted overseas during the past six decades, mainly to white parents in the United States and Europe.
Taiwan is too busy dealing with an influx of K0rean prostitutes"Taiwanese and Southeast Asian men riding the Korean wave"http://web.archive.org/web/20080705160321/http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/01/11/taiwanese-se-asian-men-riding-the-korean-wave/https://web.archive.org/web/20210319202456/https://just.paste.it/9ocathttp://j2k.naver.com/j2k.php/japan/news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=022&article_id=0000074164%C2%A7ion_id=102&menu_id=102pr0stitutesPark Chung-hee, who collaborated with Japan, pocketed all reparations from Japan for his own cronies and then allowed Japanese businessmen to come to South Korea in mass group sex tourism with South Korean women for investment. Mainstream media like TIME magazine even wrote an article about it, not just leftist magazines like New International.https://time.com/archive/6841187/south-korea-the-seoul-of-hospitality/https://kyeol.kr/en/boards/bd_en_look_hist/644https://www.academia.edu/5538806/The_Rise_of_South_Korea_During_the_Park_Chung_Hee_Era_Academia_Upload_Versionhttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1215/s12280-008-9054-5&gws_rd=sslhttps://jstor.org/stable/43923277https://newint.org/features/1993/07/05/sexhttps://taylorfrancis.com/chapters/mono/10.4324/9781351185271-6/corporate-kisaeng-prostitution-tourism-caroline-normahttps://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1215/s12280-008-9054-5https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-adoption-south-korea-government-a9fd3d7670e07655f93cfcdc9ad87481Koreans suffered worse devastation, mass killings and mass rapes in the Cao Wei and Murong Xianbei Former Yan invasions of Goguryeo, Murong Xianbei invasions of Buyeo, Mongol invasions of Korea, Imjin war, Later Jin invasion of Korea in 1627, Qing invasion of Korea in 1636 and the Korean war. Japan and the US destroyed Korean cultural heritage like medieval palaces and temples, and then under Park Chunghee himself, South Korean Protestants burned down Korean shamanic shrines and temples.
>>18735087compared to superior democracies where they just ship a million shitjeets overnight and jail anyone who opposes it?
>>18736093This isn't a thing btw
>>18734698>It can't be as simple as "much capitalism" or US helpIt is in fact that simple.
>>18734710The North only got bad by the 80s. After the war South Korea was a shithole and didn't get good til the end of the 20th century
>>18734725>This still happens in many capitalist «democracies»Where?
>>18734822>They're just a monarchist mafia without any real values to speak of.how is this different from any other Communist state in practice?
>>18736093Don't believe your lying eyes.
>>18736814>The North only got bad by the 80sit was always a terrible shithole where human rights and quality of life were nonexistent
>>18736825That its dynastic.
>>18734698>It can't be as simple as "much capitalism"What if i told you it is
>>18734754they have improved in recent times, but a large part of that is because North Korea has the very unique opportunity to absolutely fleece Russia due to them going full retard
Kim Il Sung basically lost the plot in the 70sKim Jong Il was just a shit tier leader who was able to successful out compete his fathers allies to move to the top of the party. He was always seen as a retarded playboy by most of the party.Massive scale sanctions, and having 98% of their trade cut off in the 80s/90s. Imagine say the US had 98% of it's trade cut off. Only allowed bare essentials, not even steel. The economy would collapse within a month and there would be mass famine probably by the end of month 2. Shit tier geography. It's basically Switzerland + Flood planes. Due to having almost no arable land, they try farm on mountain sides which causes massive scale erosion + more floods. Juche + Songun = Until recently, the entire economy was built around the supporting the Military, and because of Self-Reliance, they try not rely on importing much of anything (well because they can't because of sanctions anyway)That said, it's clear Kim Jong Un is the best leader North Korea has EVER HAD, also ironically, against common wisdom, North Korea has actually improved as he clamped down on the private markets that flourished under Kim Jong Il and restored the planned economy and state as the main economic driver.
North Korea runs entirely off of Chinese gibs and China only gives them money because it's in their best interest not to be bordering a bunch of starving, poverty ridden retards
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>>18737628>China only gives them money because it's in their best interest not to be bordering a bunch of starving, poverty ridden retardsWell if that's the intention they should give them even more money because the current amount is barely breaking even
>>18734698South Korea got TONS of cash and technology transfers from the US for participating in the Vietnam war. SK's current wealth is pretty much based on these subsidies (Korea was lucky enough to have a dictator who actually invested that money instead of blowing it on palaces).> According to an estimate (Kim 1970, p. 28), Vietnam-war related revenue accrued to S. Koreafor year 1967 alone reached as much as $185 million, accounting for about 4.0% of Korea’s GDPin that year.https://kellogg.nd.edu/sites/default/files/old_files/documents/166_0.pdf
>>18734855monopoly capitalism replaced free market competition even after the USSR fell thoughfree markets are only ever a temporary state, a competition which lasts until someone wins. Now the economy is planned by men like Peter Thiel and Jeff Bezos and they take a far greater share of it as their reward than the nomenklatura ever did.
