>>18738763
Right wingers are so stupid, fascism was capitalism on steroids. All fascist nations were corporatist, they collaborated with the richest men on their nations to make them richer in exchange for quick military industry.

Syndicalism would be like heaven on Earth, all of us as workers never exploited, fair wages, fair hours, universal healthcare. That's not fascism at all.

>>18738763
Fascism existed before Sorel. It's a vibe for when you have a chuddy, mean, warlike government. Also when you're racist.

>>18738765
>The fascist syndicalists differed from other forms of fascism in that they generally favored class struggle, worker-controlled factories and hostility to industrialists, which lead historians to portray them as "leftist fascist idealists" who "differed radically from right fascists."[3] Generally considered one of the more radical fascist syndicalists in Italy, Rossoni was the "leading exponent of fascist syndicalism",[4] and sought to infuse nationalism with "class struggle".[5] It is related to national syndicalism.

>In an attempt to save Marxism, Sorel gravitated towards the creation of a synthesis of populism and nationalism that also included "the crudest of anti-Semitism".[30] By this time, Sorel and other syndicalists concluded that proletarian violence was ineffectual since the "proletariat was incapable of fulfilling its revolutionary role,"[31] an assessment that persuaded many to see the nation-state as the best means by which to establish a proletarian-based society, which later congealed into the fascist concept of proletarian nationalism.[32]


>Many revolutionary syndicalists followed Sorel and his Sorelian socialism towards the allure of a radical nationalism after he praised Maurras and displayed his sympathies for French integral nationalism in 1909.[33][20] The appeal that Charles Maurras presented was his nationalistic approach against bourgeois democracy, the Enlightenment, and "its liberalism, its individualism, and its conception of society as an aggregate of individuals."[20] This trend continued and by 1911, revolutionary syndicalists had acknowledged that two important antirational political currents had come together, forging "a new nationalism and revolutionary socialism."[34] This coalescence finally surfaced as a major facet of Italian Fascism, where Mussolini himself confessed: "What I am, I owe to Sorel."

>Determined to merge socialism with nationalism, Rossoni joined Benito Mussolini's Italian fascist movement in 1921.

>>18738767
Fascism has nothing to do with race.
One fascist movement explicitly preached mutli-racial society.

Fascism is authoritarian revoluationary nationalism combined with syndicalism/corporatism

>>18738765
>All fascist nations were corporatist
Spanish Falangists were syndicalists

>>18738776
Instead of copying from Wikipedia why don't you write an essay and post your sources? Wikipedia is worthless. Fascism is capitalism that needs to crack down on leftists desperately (as can be clearly seen in the modern world where """democracies full of human rights""" are mysteriously all becoming fascist exactly when the populace is becoming more left wing and asking for fairness), nothing about worker's rights survived under fascism, Hitler for all his talk of saving the White race still abused and exploited workers. Mussolini literally said his ideology is corporatist, always placing rich oligarchs above the workers.

Nothing about fascism has ever, EVER, been pro worker. Fascism is just desperate capitalism needing to crack down on an educated populace asking for human rights.

>>18738767
>Fascism existed before Sorel.
Impossible, because nationalism barely existed before Sorel.

>>18738794
Francisco Franco was one of the most ultra capitalist chuds in history, wtf, he wasn't some lover of lefties and worker rights, gtfo
>>18738786
Fascism is not necessarily racism, I agree. But racism is always part of fascism because the rich elite need the retarded masses to hate the educated part of the population that asks for worker rights for the entire working class, so they go "look my idiot right wingers, those evil Commies love the minorities more than you!!!!??? Attack then and kill them and praise capitalism now!!!!". So, while fascism doesn't necessarily need to be racist, racism has always without fault been part of fascism.

>>18738795
Why are you so desperately trying to defend the boomer narrative?

>>18738799
>Francisco Franco
Wasnt part of the Falangists. Now I know you're just a boomer who has no idea what you're talking about but frowning at the mouth every time this topic is discussed.

>>18738805
Because I was once a retarded nazi converted by playing hoi4, and unironically visiting /his/ and learning actual history turned me into a Communist (also seeing fascists and White supremacists post gore of children and celebrating, proving that fascism is evil to its core), so now I do my part for the anons sitting on the fence, they probably think they love Hitler but once they learn what fascism actually means in practice they will be militant Communists too

>>18738818
So you went from being a nazi to a communist?
And you dont think you're the problem since you're obviously extremely receptible to extermist ideology?

>>18738818
Also why is everything personal to you? Are you incapable of having a neutral academic disucssion on a topic?

We're not trying to "convince" anyone, we're merely discussing fascism. Not everything is a horse race.

>>18738795
>Mussolini literally said his ideology is corporatist, always placing rich oligarchs above the workers.

Holy shit, he actually thinks that corporatism literally means a government where corporations and government work together to exploit workers.

>>18738818
>Because I was once a retarded nazi converted by playing hoi4
This alone makes any further discussion with you pointless. Only a retard would unironically be converted over to Nazism because they played a strategy game.

The fact that there can be found in fascism as an ideology socialist roots is not really some gotcha in of itself. Social Democracy started out as the reformist wing of marxism after all, yet today Social Democrats are completely indistinguishable from regular run of the mill liberal capitalists.
Even at its most socialist, such as in the Italian Social Republic, the socialism espoused by fascists was really a state capitalism rather than socialism, as it was simply a capitalist economy with a near total level of state control.

>>18738909
>it was simply a capitalist economy with a near total level of state control.
China is the same and yet MLs glaze the fuck out of it

>>18739026
If your point is that MLoids are morons then I'm in complete agreement

>>18738765
Anon I just want to express something you may have never heard in your life.
Your entire post is a result of a cope running for about a 100 years now. The Italian communists were soundly beaten and outsmarted by Mussolini and his blackshirts however because of the war and resulting Italian state being systemically anti-fascist they received a license to rewrite its history and what they've done was just a sort of petty revenge on the people who beat them.

Fascism in its Italian guise was proudhonian anarchism in praxis. But you may say, Mussolini was totalitarian and tied everything into the state, how could he have been an anarchist? Well, I'll surprise you but the political system of the USSR is never described in Das Capital. Once you move from theorising in a book to praxis things change and yet the substance remains. The substance:
https://youtu.be/c6svd3UJw04?si=NHTxwBmM7mYH3_i6

>>18738909
Not really true.
Socialdemocrats were at first hardline socialists but unlike communists they were prepared to play by the democratic rules so each election they had to compromise with the existing elite parties in order to gain parlament majority to form a government.
This mean that they had to compromise, and the compromise resulted in a hybrid society where the public sector was state financed (healthcare, education, pension etc) but within a capitalist system of an overall private sector of free market and business. This is the system most European countries has today. We lazily call them "socialist states" though the more correct term is "welfare state".

>>18738869
He doesnt think that, he just wants to believe it.
He literally said it himself that his reason itsnt based on logic but what he feels must be true in order to align with his already established conviction, which is either nazism or communism depending on which game he plays or website that he browse.

>>18738765
>all of us as workers never exploited, fair wages, fair hours, universal healthcare
Why do you think goyim cattle deserve these things?

>>18738786
Fascism is kinda like chairs, in that it "exists" if humans perceive it. If you say you don't like immigrants normies will call you a Nazi, so racism is indeed fascism in the eyes of many.
You can say fascism is [some very specific definition which includes words like palingenesis and corporatism], but that's not how people perceive it.
>>18738797
What's the difference between Hitler and some Papuan tribal warlord chimping out against other tribes? It's just technology and state capacity, but essentially it's kinda the same

>>18738776
My understanding is that Syndicalism failed to catch on among the working class in Italy and the Syndicalists that joined Fascism were neatly buried in committees by Mussolini.

>>18739339
>What's the difference between Hitler and some Papuan tribal warlord chimping out against other tribes?
Nationalism is based on the idea that a collective of people united by culture, language and legal practices within a certain territory form a political body, which can in turn form and express a collective will.
The idea of the war lord is that the people who share all of that with him are actively robbing his people and his person of fields and hunting grounds. He'll easily and gladly cooperate with tribes that follow completely different modes of economic production though.