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The zombie of the song personifies the banality of evil
>>18738803There's a zombie in my head?!?
I prefer the dirlewanger brigade
>>18738904Evil is evil. There is no "banality" to it
>>18738979Numerous experiments have shown that normal people can be rather easily induced to behave inhumanely. If you’ve ever seen an angry mob in action, you’ve witnessed the phenomenon yourself.
>>18739284I still think there is no banality to it. They were never "normal" if they are 'carried away' and do evil. They were always rotten
>>18738803retarded free stater song. The IRA didn't start the Troubles, the IRA weren't responsible for a majority of civilian deaths, and the IRA is the only paramilitary belligerent which advocated for an end to sectarianism. More people were disappeared by the IRA in Cork during the War of Independence than by the IRA across the entire 30 odd year period of the Troubles, but curiously the bleeding hearts that take issue with the likes of the Provos never seem to mention that.The Troubles was perhaps the most easily avoidable conflict in all of Irish history but unfortunately the British Government were (and are) brainlets.
>>18739461>The IRA didn't start it but they're the ones still nail bombing kids out shopping to buy mother's day presents
>>18739467Womanly sensationalism.
>>18739467The problem is the IRA are treated as a uniquely evil organisation during the Troubles, when in reality they simply are not. Every single belligerent (government and paramilitary) carried out heinous killings with a lack of concern for civilian life.However, the vast majority of civilian deaths at the hands of the IRA were due to ignored or simply stupidly inefficient warnings about bombs. They generally weren't (unlike Loyalists) just going around killing civilians for the fuck of it, because they knew that was retarded and would hurt their cause. It's for this reason that the outliers to this rule were either>regarded as insanely retarded or carried out on the initiative of individuals against the wishes of other leaderssuch as kingsmill, or>carried out by splinter groups that rejected the doctrine of the main leadershipSuch as Omagh.The problem is that attempts to suggest nuance in approaches to discussing the conflict attracts tards who need the Provisional IRA to be seen as the absolute and unilateral evil force that everyone else had to endure, when in reality that mantra very clearly belongs to the Loyalists. No Loyalist paramilitaries = no Troubles. Sinn Féin larpers like to pretend otherwise, but that's the case.
There's no atheist/socialist case for Unionism and that's why it's dying. Poor, Scotch, and surrounded though they are, they're still UK citizens and are affected by broader social trends in the UK.
>>18739471That's a thing that happened.>>18739472>They weren't going around killing civilians for the fuck of it>They just planted bombs in cities full of people
>>18739291>They were never "normal" if they are 'carried away' and do evil Ordinary normal people can be subtly misled and desensitized into supporting/carrying out acts of evil, over time. Normal people do not commonly reflect on our own habits deeply, nor contemplate what patterns of behavior we are are in the process of developing. That in itself is not a characteristic of evil but of 'being normal'.How would you define 'evil' though?
>>18739476Yes anon, they targeted business centres or political buildings and openly announced this. Part of their strategy was to cripple the economy of Northern Ireland and to render much of it ungovernable, to perpetuate the climate in which they could thrive.As I said in the post you're replying to, the vast majority of civilian deaths by the IRA's hands were due to insufficient or ignored (yes, ignored) bomb warnings. This is unlike Loyalist "bombing campaigns" which were designed to to kill as many people as possible, which included the deadliest attack of the entire Troubles (Dublin+Monaghan) where no warning was given.If we are going to sit here and do>civilians killed by paramilitary attacksI'm afraid you are going to run out long before I will. Over 85% of those killed by Loyalists were civilians, compared to the Republican equivalent of just over 35%.
I know the point has been made before, but why did they supposedly fight so long and hard for a homeland and then choose to turn around and start giving it all away to foreigners and immigrants? That seems like a stupid plan.
>>18739476Yeah and lots of other bad things happened. But that has nothing to do with anons actual point, it's just grasping for the moral high-ground.The low hanging fruit would be to just go "what about bloody Sunday or the Shankill butchers o algo" but that doesn't engage with the point either. The point is that the message of Zombie by the Cranberries is retarded as wars happen for real reasons with real goals and for people in them taking a pacifist "lets all just get along" stance accomplishes nothing, it is entirely a product of a generation of Southerners growing up only ever hearing about NI on RTE.
>>18739483They didn't.The IRA are not Sinn Féin, they are two separate groups. Until around the 1980s, the IRA was the senior partner in that relationship; when the faction lead by Gerry Adams emerged to take over Sinn Féin, a change was made to push for political progress with the IRA basically as protection from suppression to keep up the pressure.With the Good Friday Agreement, the Provisional IRA (the main, but not only Republican belligerent) agreed to disarm and stand down and said that while they disagreed, they had placed their trust in Sinn Féin. Sinn Féin shifted to broad left-wing populism, with the mantra of doing whatever necessary to gain political dominance. Adams openly alluded to this by referring to the use of Progressive Politics to break Ulster Unionist dominance, as Unionism is overwhelmingly conservative.This worked, as Sinn Féin are now the largest party in Northern Ireland. However, they have been criticised a great deal for their march away from their roots to broad Europhile left politics to retain the youth vote. However, Sinn Féin has never had any influence over immigration; they have never been in power in the Republic of Ireland, and the devolved government in Northern Ireland has no authority over immigration. What you see online is mostly just Americans not understanding politics or Loyalists trying to say>haha look sinn féin is wokeas they continue to bleed votes in all directions.The IRA were always left wing, but their approach to immigration was typically more concerned about how it affected domestic labour or allowed exploitation.
>>18739482>Cripple the economy of Northern Ireland by blowing up two children in Warrington>Those people died from the bomb I set off because they ignored my warningThis is a psychopaths logic.
>>18739483Why did the British?
>>18739484Precisely, anon.It'd be like seeing the events of "Bloody Sunday" in 1920 and telling the IRA and Michael Collins to stop being so heckin' evil while refusing to ignore the fact the British had just shot up a stadium. The IRA murdered innocent people, including children, but the thing that sets them apart from the apes in the UDA or the UVF is that such events tended to cause mass internal strife in the IRA-whilst they were simply the modus operandi of Loyalism.
>>18739489The same logic used by Britain and by the Loyalists, not only prior to the IRA but far more frequently than the IRA.I guess it's just a country full of psychopaths, anon! Just a shame people like yourself are obsessed with the one group that expressed any kind of regret or which suffered any kind of internal splinters because of it.
>Loyalists had to firebomb that catholic girls school in 1966, to stop the catholics getting rights!>Loyalists had to burn that elderly protestant widow to death in 1966, to stop catholics getting rights!>Loyalists had to carry out several bombings and shootings between 1966 and 1969 (before the Provisional IRA even existed) because, well, they just had to, okay!We could go tit-for-tat on this all day. The clearest and most obvious answer has already been stated; the Troubles was completely unavoidable but Britain were retards and Unionists were apes.
>>18739493The IRA was never going to defeat the British army. Ever.So they thought they could win a war by murdering civiliansThat is called the evil option
>>18739500Except the IRA’s strategic objective was not to kill enough civilians and therefore somehow win. It was to make ruling NI completely impossible for the British government and so economically costly that it would force them to the negotiating table. And they were correct, the original Northern Irish government completely collapsed, unionist power was dismantled piece by piece and ultimately they were forced to legitimise Sinn Féin and create a more equal government.
>>18739506Or they could have used the democratic process,but why should the deaths of a few hundred civilians matter? They obviously dont to you.
>>18739500There were multiple stages of the conflict where even the Loyalists believed the British Army were on their way out. Remember, the conflict ended because the PIRA decided to end it-not because the British Army made them.>>18739508>democratic process>with ulster unionists involvedkekked, aye dead on
>>18739510>Remember, the conflict ended because the PIRA decided to end itThats because the British army didnt go full cromwell, it was only a police action
>>18739508One of the key demands of the original civil rights movement was "one man, one vote". Under the original devolved government franchise was limited to property owners, and business owners or graduates votes were counted for multiple. Not to mention the Gerrymandering designed to screw Irish communities. The very seed of the troubles is that democratic processes were not an option, they were denied to the Catholic community.And so began the civil rights movement. And through protest and civil disobedience they actually had significant success. Which only militarised hardline loyalist opposition and incensed them to try and literally kill the head of the UUP to halt his program of democratic reform (literally the only thing that could save NI)> why should the deaths of a few hundred civilians matter? Clearly they didn't matter to the British Army or to loyalist paramilitaries either
>>18739512Margaret Thatcher literally wanted to do that and British intelligence had to explain to her that beating the IRA head on was simply not possible. Unless you mean>why didn't they just kill all the IrishBecause yeah I'm sure that would have went down great at the height of the cold war while Britain is barely even managing to rule its own country. Too many people do not remember what a shithole Britain was back in the 70s and 80s.
>>18739512>if they had just done this thing they couldn't have done, they would have won!If my grandmother had wheels she'd have been a bike, etc.The main reason Britain was allowed to handle the Troubles rather than some big international intervention (as was called for early on) is their loose ability to demonstrate restraint and a commitment to "law and order."
>>18739513>>18739516You are defending the actions of wantonly evil people, that says alot about you
