>Christians worship a literal man>a literal human being who shits, sleeps, eats, and drinks like the rest of us>who died in humiliating fashion>because a small handful of people saw him do some magic tricks 2,000 years ago, with no proof beyond “trust me bro”>their theology and trinity logic makes no sense as they are constantly contradicting themselves to justify their worship of a literal manSeriously, this is the dumbest of all the major religions. If you are so desperate to follow something you would be better finding something else. But they can’t because they were born into something and refuse to accept that their life is a lie.
>>18740010For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.The word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.Repent of your sins, we are all going to be judged by Christ.https://youtu.be/G5-T-YfalLQ?si=9glqUpHvPjzFkyFp&t=84
>Trolling outside of /b/
>>18740048Why does God need to incarnate as a being with a circumcised dick and swinging hairy balls?
>>18740010Not only that, they worship a "Messiah" who came into the world by impregnating his own mother. After all, if Jesus claimed to be God (John 10:30) and God knocked up the Virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18) then that means Jesus is the byproduct of incest.
>>18740059I believe you are under demonic influence. Repent of your sins, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.He is your LORD AND MASTER. He is YOUR CREATOR. You will face him on judgement day, even the muslims believe this.Romans 1:16“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
>>18740051lol it’s not even trolling it’s just true
>>18740077Christians will always appeal to Hell whenever they can't meaningfully defend their religion, regardless of the fact there's thousands of different Hells in mythology so, statistically speaking, they're probably wrong about their own even if one does exist. Pascal's Wager is retarded.
>>18740048>considering salvation>look at what the "infinite reward is">locked up in a garden>surrounded by christards>no way out>have to stay there for eternityAnything but that.
>>18740082>>18740081The majority will not go to heaven. The gate is narrow. Christ died for your sins, he loves you and wants you to have eternal life. This is your chance. All you have to do is to believe and repent. And you will be changed as a person and be given eternal life. https://youtu.be/rNsJgOpJXR0?si=x4Xjtu4OjXgyzD8X&t=63
>>18740085You can do better when it comes to shilling your semitic death cult
>>18740085I've just told you I don't want to be tortured for eternity by retards like you. And let's add some blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to make sure this won't happen.
>>18740077>For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek>The jew firstLmao how can christkek even cope being treated as a second cathegory people.
>>18740098>>18740101>>18740091We are all sinners. We have all broken God's commandments. We deserve God's wrath. I am telling of you the good news of Christ, Jesus crucified. He is your saviour. To be saved all you have to do is to cry out to Christ and you will be saved.
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>>187401202 Peter 3:33 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
>>18740132>Oh hecking nonbelievers making fun of muh fairytales? Must be the end!!!
>>18740146I'm so glad that you're beyond salvation. I'll laugh heartily when you're cast, screaming, into the burning trash pit. You'll scream so hard the capillaries in your face will burst, and I'll just laugh and laugh and laugh. I'm going to Heaven, forever!
>>18740146seeing how no other religion on earth even recieves 1/10th the mockery as Christianity, atheists criticize christians more than fucking scientology or poop worshipping hindus, im gonna go ahead and say Christianity is a candidate for being the most ethereal of the worldly religions.
>>18740146Repent Repent RepentThe Kingdom of heaven is at hand.Turn away from your lustsTurn away from your arrogance Turn away from your materialism.Turn away from the devil and demonsOnly JESUS CHRIST CAN SAVE YOU
>>18740154I would rather workship cow poop than a dead jew in a stick.
>>18740154It's almost as if mocking obscure religions that hold no political power is neither fun nor useful.
>>18740166>Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam hold no political power
>>18740048>>18740077>>18740085>>18740116>>18740132>>18740150>>18740154>>18740157The fact that he was a man automatically disproves any claim that he was God since gods are purely transcendent and spiritual beings who exist outside the physical universe. Since a god must be perfect, to take on an imperfect body would be degrading.
>>18740228Correct.
>>18740154>no other religion on earth even recieves 1/10th the mockery as Christianitynice persecutory delusion
>>18740240>The fact that he was a man automatically disproves any claim that he was God since gods are purely transcendent and spiritual beings who exist outside the physical universe.Verse?
>>18740268Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9, 1 Samuel 15:29, etc sorry but the bible says God isn't a man
>>18740240>gods are purely transcendent and spiritual beings who exist outside the physical universe. Their transcendental neoplatonic forms are still lesser than Good. Pagans worship war gods like thor. Martial is below Spirit (Good). Every single Platonic philosopher concluded this which is why by late Hellenism, Greeks began solely worshipping Zeus, because Jovial/Cheer/Joy/Happy is the closest to Good in terms of neoplatonic hierarchyAll of morality (Good) comes from Christianity, which is why Christ is ontop. Even someone like Crowley didnt deny this. His system was:>what if war/love/greed was higher than Good in neoplatonic forms>>18740253who is the PM of England right now? What is King Charles stance on Islam?
>>18740275>who is the PM of England right now?...So this is how i find out Andy Burnham isn't a pajeet.
>>18740077You haven't answered my question. Why do the christian gods need magical holy genitals?>to the Jew first, and also to the GreekI'm neither, this cult isn't for me.
>>18740275>England>King CharlesWHOCARES
>>18740306Quotes like these always highlight midwittery. Only reddit and midwits think "all religions are the same", but a genius can point the implications of morality and reality for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism. Once someone goes over the moral conclusions of every religion, it is clear that Christianity is the only one that isnt self-destructive or biased. Like 90% of people don't even realize that something innocuous like the Yin Yang ultimately isnt compatible with the Bible.
>>18740010Those flames just got hotter!
>>18740240Council of Chalcedon - Jesus fully God and fully Man.Philippians 2:6-8 English Standard Version6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[a] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
>>18740319>it is clear that Christianity is the only one that isnt self-destructive or biased.Chriscucks keep telling themselves fairytales like these and they actually believe it. Your magical penis religion is retarded dude just learn to cope with it
>>18740337Jesus is 100% immortal and 100% mortal? That's a logical contradiction>did not count equality with God a thing to be graspedBecause he couldn't grasp it that's why
>>18740347>That's a logical contradiction.This council took place 1,575 years ago. This argument was settled by the early church and its fathers. Just because you cannot understand it doesn't make it false
>>18740364>the council decided to be retarded>therefore this contradiction makes senseReligion does something extremely fucked up to people's brains.
>>18740364It wasn't settled to this day the oriental orthodox don't accept it. And a bunch of people agreeing that P AND NOT P = TRUE doesn't mean it's not a logical contradiction it just means they are retarded christkeks who don't know of the simplest laws of logic
>>18740372>contradiction>>18740378There is no contradiction in saying Jesus is fully God and fully man because a contradiction only exists if the same thing is affirmed and denied in the same respect. Chalcedon does not say Christ is both created and uncreated according to one nature, or both finite and infinite in the same sense. It says the one person of the Son possesses two complete natures. According to his divine nature he is eternal, uncreated and omnipotent; according to his human nature he is created, finite and capable of suffering. The subject is one, but the properties belong to different natures. That may be mysterious, but mystery is not contradiction. To disprove Chalcedon logically, you would have to show that one person cannot possess two distinct natures, not merely point out that those natures have different properties.
>>18740388>The subject is oneYou act as if they are two of them. Is this single subject mortal and immortal, yes or no?>you would have to show that one person cannot possess two distinct naturesChristkeks don't even know what natures are. How in the fuck can natures die?
>>18740048>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Sounds pretty demonic to me. Kapparot Christ aint my god, he is just a jewish fantasy.
>>18740394>You act as if they are two of them. Is this single subject mortal and immortal, yes or no?.YES. Christ is mortal according tto his human nature and immortal according to his divine nature. That is not a contrdiction, because the same property is not being affirmed and denied in the same respect. One person, two natures.>How in the fuck can natures die?.Natures DO NOT die, persons do. Christ, the one divine person, truly died through his human nature. By death, I mean the separation of his human soul from his human body, not the destruction of his person or nature. He did not lose his humanity, because both his human soul and body remained united to the Son. At the resurrection, they were reunited.
>>18740403So where did you copy that from?
>>18740406
>>18740319>Once someone goes over the moral conclusions of every religion, it is clear that Christianity is the only one that isnt self-destructive or biased.The fact that you actually believe that just shows how retarded you are and how you clearly don’t know anything about any other religion.
>>18740406>>18740407Dear oh dear. This is an old debunked theory. Mark is not a copy of the Odyssey. A minority argue for some Homeric influence, but Mark is far more clearly shaped by Jewish Scripture. Similar motifs do not prove copying, and they certainly do not prove Jesus was invented.
>>18740411Really? off the top:Judaism - textualism that trivializes morals to technicalities. The Kabbalah even says the Hebrew Langauge is higher than God. Islam - teaches you to be submit rather than transform the heart, which is why Muslim's idea of heaven is a 72 woman group sex orgy. Buddhism - teaches the material world is inherently corrupt and meant for an escape. (defeats the purpose of God creating the world in first place)
>>18740403Okay so the single subject posses this property and it's negation at the same time, this is a logical contradiction.>in the same respectMeaningless drivel, either he's capable of death or not and you say it's both at the same time>Natures DO NOT die, persons doExactly which is what makes your distinction nonsensical. The same person is capable of death and he's not capable of death>By death, I mean the separation of his human soul from his human bodyDeath doesn't only entail that. One important thing you're missing is the organisms losing control of his body. You're saying God lost control lol. But anyway the Son person of the trinity shouldn't be capable of any sort of death because he's immortal like the other two
>>18740424I would encourage you to read up on logical arguments because you are out of your depth.You are equivocating on “capable of death.” The one person of the Son is capable of human death because he possesses a real human nature, and incapable of death according to his divine nature. That is not P and not-P in the same respect, so it is not a contradiction.And no, death does not mean God “lost control” of his body. In classical Christian anthropology, death is the separation of the human soul and body. Christ’s human soul separated from his body, but both remained united to the divine person of the Son. Nothing slipped out of God’s control.Immortality belongs to the divine nature. The Son did not cease to be immortal as God when he underwent death as man. You only get a contradiction by deleting “according to his humanity” and “according to his divinity,” which is exactly the distinction Chalcedon is making.
>>18740337Which is a contradiction. As per the standards of Platonism, the divine cannot be anthropomorphic and at best anthropomorphic representations are purely symbolic. The fact that Jesus was a man is enough proof he cannot be God. No god would imprison themselves in an inferior body of flesh and blood, nor would they allow themselves to suffer and die.
>>18740448see>>18740440>>18740388
>>18740440>capable of human deathDon't change the definition, immortality is "the quality or state of living or lasting forever without dying". You believe your god died in some way and thus he's not immortal. Nothing about this requires "human death">And no, death does not mean God “lost control” of his body.Great so your god did not die in the same way we die. He was just pretending to be actually dead. Where's his sacrifice again?>You only get a contradiction by deleting “according to his humanity” and “according to his divinity,” which is exactly the distinction Chalcedon is making.Your distinction is just a bunch of words with no real menaing. If I said X is a liar according to his lying nature but a truth teller according to his truthful nature what is he? Peak mental gymnastics
>>18740010yeah and they use petty arguments to try to support their shit >> no no ya dont understand blah blah blah>> Jesus wasnt a jew he he .... hes not a jew trust me
>>18740455Immortality belongs to Christ’s divine nature. Death belongs to his human nature. The one person truly underwent death through the humanity he assumed. That does not mean the divine nature stopped being immortal.And no, Christ was not “pretending” to be dead. His human body genuinely ceased living and his human soul was genuinely separated from it. The fact that the divine Son remained sovereign over death does not make the death unreal. Christianity actually teaches that he willingly laid down his life.Your liar analogy also fails. “Liar” and “truth teller” describe the same moral subject in the same respect. Human mortality and divine immortality are properties of two distinct natures possessed by one person. You keep removing that distinction and then calling the result contradictory.
>>18740453You cannot be both human and divine. Saying two plus two equals five does not make it so, and neither does saying a man of flesh and blood can be a good. True divinity is purely transcendent.
>>18740484So the all powerful God is confined by your rules and your primitive understanding of "true divinity"?
>>18740319Christianity is incredibly self-destructive. It elevates death over life by positing that the world is evil and only in death can one find peace / "true life"
>>18740492It's not wrong to characterize Christianity as "death worship"
>>18740492>Christianity is incredibly self-destructive.Nonsense. Western civilisation is built upon Christianity. >>18740492>It elevates death over life.No that is Gnosticism. Jesus defeated death.
>>18740474>The one person truly underwent death through the humanity he assumedThus contradicting what his divine nature says about the very same person. That he is incapable of death>The fact that the divine Son remained sovereign over death does not make the death unreal.It does because when anything dies they lose control over their body. The Son did not lose control and therefore he did not die in any meaningful sense. Imagine when he "died" on the cross, you're saying at any point in time he could just open his eyes and wave around his hands at the centurions. That's him pretending to be dead like when we are actually dead.>describe the same moral subject in the same respectIt's not the same respect, one is according to his lying nature and the other according to his truthful nature. Two distinct natures possessed by one person. You keep removing that distinction and then calling the result contradictory.
>>18740492hello dumbfuck atheist that doesnt understand being Born of Water>31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. >16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.This is what redditers don't understand about the difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Because in Buddhism, there is no God, there is not duty to be born again of water. In Buddhism, its just about escape from reality.
>>18740502He was dead for three days. Therefore he did lose control and he did die. You are repeating yourself. Points which I have already debunked in great detail.
>>18740499>>18740524The narrative climax of Christianity is a literal human sacrifice.Ephesians 5:2>And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.Doesn't get much more death worshipping than that. Also the "everlasting life" Christians like to bring up as refutation of that fact only ends up happening for them after death. Again, you're all death worshippers because Christian mythology is innately self-destructive.
>>18740492>>18740529Christianity does not teach that the world itself is evil. It teaches that creation is good but fallen. Genesis begins with God repeatedly calling creation good, and the Christian hope is not escape from creation but its restoration.Christianity also does not elevate death over life. Death is called an enemy in 1 Corinthians 15. The entire point of the resurrection is that death is defeated, not celebrated. Christ comes so that people may have life, and the final Christian hope is bodily resurrection and a renewed creation.
>>18740535If your "everlasting life" only happens for you after you die, you're still ultimately worshipping death. Death is where you all are taught to see salvation as residing within. Therefore your faith can't, by definition, even pretend to be life-affirming.
>>18740525>He was dead for three days. Therefore he did lose control and he did die.So for three days your god lost control of his body? yes or no
>>18740529>>18740540I think the fundamental thing you are not understanding is the Christian concept of Heaven.In Christianity, there is no sin in heaven. You learn to overcome sin both in the world and as you enter heaven. Thats the whole point of "the wages of sin are death". Heaven in Christianity is supposed to be your life now but without sin. While Buddhism teaches reality itself is evil because there is no creator story. In a stupid religion like islam they just say>HUGE 72 WOMAN ORGY. Just submit to these pesky rules
>>18740562Why do christkeks pretend to understand the Islamic conception of heaven? show me where it says that human beings will commit sins in heaven
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>>18740562And how does anyone get to Heaven? By dying. Where is Heaven? In death. Therefore, you're still a death worshipper, just deluded into believing otherwise.
>>18740575>anyone who doesnt try to live forever like they are Qin Shi Huang is a "" death worshipper ""
>>18740585Anyone who believes the world is evil and salvation is only possible in death definitely worships death. It's the psychospiritual point of every Christian's fixation.
>>18740585>Anyone who doesnt want to be a zombie in the end times and worship a jewish rabbi is a "devil worshipper"
>>18740586So you are a liar now >>18740524
>>18740591You don't believe the world is fallen?>>18740535Guess you're not a real Christian then...
>>18740592>You don't believe the world is fallen?For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22
>>18740525Also forgot to add to >>18740560 but you also failed to make a distinction between your nonsense nature cope and the example given earlier. Tell me do you also believe Jesus was ignorant in his human nature?
>>18740601I accept your concession, disgusting death worshipper
btw, the person im arguing with is a butthurt muslim and not even an atheist>>18740566
>>18740607Fuck Muhammad just as much as fuck you're Jesus Christ. They were both schizos with delusions of grandeur and you know it. Btw, you already accepted defeat here >>18740601>>18740606
>>18740607I'm not the person you were arguing with retard. Good to know you have zero answers though. Confirms you're pulling it all out of your ass
>>18740609>>18740610my answer was 1 Corinthians 15:22.Are atheists so retarded that they think the fall of man is different from Adam. lol.
>>18740612If your definition of "alive" only happens for people after they die, you're still worshipping death. Again, you're a disgusting death worshipper and your religion is a cancer on mankind.
>>18740612What does that have to do with the Islamic conception of heaven? You can't even track. That idiot doesn't know the real reason you're death worshipers is because you literally require human sacrifice for your salvation, your religious symbol is a dead bleeding man, etc
>>18740614I already pointed that out, you muzzie fuck >>18740529
>>18740617Okay I admit I was wrong. You didn't have to go this high level though that alone is enough to prove it. No Christian would ever save Jesus from the cross (if they could) because they need a man to die
>>18740620Fair
>>18740101>Lmao how can christkek even cope being treated as a second cathegory people."They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings" - Romans 15:27
>>18740059You are a Sodomite.
>>18740613>If your definition of "alive" only happens for people after they diethats not what 1 Corinthians 15:22 says, is it?However,>Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from mePlease tell me how Jesus is well acquainted with who follows him well before any afterlife.
>>18740636Do you worship Jesus' cock? Yes or No
>>18740421>Buddhism - teaches the material world is inherently corrupt and meant for an escape. (defeats the purpose of God creating the world in first place)This is also what christianity teaches.Tell me which would you prefer :1. a post nuclear apocalypse world where the survivor live short, nasty and painful lives but they are christians2. a post scarcity utopia with no crime or poverty, but they're atheists
>>18740637So you're disputing that eternal salvation doesn't happen in the afterlife? Again, you're not sounding very Christian...>Please tell me how Jesus is well acquainted with who follows him well before any afterlife.He was a schizo with a God complex, you retard. He wasn't "well acquianted" with anything supernatural. He was just insane.
