Is it true that there was a sovereign country called Palestine in 1947 consisting of the current day Israel plus Gaza and the West Bank? and that a single polity called Palestinians lived and governed Palestine?
>>18747168No, but why does that matter?
>>18747168Short answer: no, there wasn't any recognized sovereign country in Palestine until Britain attempted to establish one in the wake of WW1. But an addendum to that is there was still a Palestinian nation, a distinct culture in the region that had been there for many centuries. It just lacked a cohesive state because while it was a part of the Ottoman Empire, for hundreds of years, it was administered directly by the Empire's bureaucracy, rather than being organized under a local sovereign who swore fealty to the Empire, as in other regions.
>>18747192What's distinct about this Palestinian culture that doesn't involve post-1948 events? Do they have a distinct language? distinct customs or rituals? distinct phenotype?
Before Israel was reliberated, the Muzzies had it for about a millenium and a half, before then the Christians had it for about a century, before then the Muzzies had it again for about 400 years, before then it was the Christians again about 400 years, before then it was the Hellenists about 600 years with an interlude of Maccabee independent Jew state,before then it was the Zoroastrians who didn't give a shit what they did about 300 years,before then it was Babylonians/Assyrians around 300 years who did give a shit and killed a bunch of them,before then Ancient Israel is recognizable for about 400 years as it's own state (1000BCE),before then it was the Caananites for a long whileBefore then, the earliest trace of humanity in the region is Homo Erectus about 1.5 million years ago, provided you believe science informs you about the world accurately.https://www.timesofisrael.com/scientists-find-oldest-evidence-of-humans-in-israel-a-1-5-million-year-old-bone/
>>18747194The Palestinian religion is the oldest abrahamic religion in the world with a distinct language and practices. Their phenotype traces back to the people of Canaan and Mesopotamia from ancient times.
>>18747236this nigga saying Palestinian is a distinct language and Palestinians don't look like the average Ayrab
>>18747239it’s all arabs now
>>18747216HOMO ERECTUS ARE DA REAL JOOS, HOMO SAPIENS ARE DA GOI! IT WAS PROMISED TO THEM, 1.5 MILLION YEARS AGO!
>>18747216>>18747168JIDF rats and their fecaloid golems working overtime here it seemsReminder to you baby bloodsucking demons there is not a single archaelogical evidence any of the kikeble schizo stories are real, nor the existance of a supposed kingdom of pissrahell. your pedo genocidal state is nothing but a colonial outpost made of the worst psychopaths of human history whose identity revolves around torturing the people you occupy and being a general leeching anti-human speaking a disgusting con language and a fake identityIs literally comparable to some Greeks claiming to be atlanteans and decided Zeus promised them Iberia or algo
>>18747194I get what you're doing, and you well know the Palestinians were basically just homogenized Arabic speaking Semitic people. Even before the Ottomans the region was rarely ever self-governing, frequently trading hands between different empires going back to the bronze age, so for essentially all of recorded history. The last real distinctive culture in the region was the ancient Jewish kingdom there, which itself was treated as a vassal or client state by the larger empires around it before it was swallowed by the Romans and turned into a province. After the expulsion the only really distinct thing about it was its importance to a variety of religions. The local people might not have any real claim to statehood but they at least had a claim to the land they lived on, and the right to govern themselves the same as other people in other places.
That kikes who are an abominable muttification of turks, slavs, germans, nafris, who invented a conlanguage based on the language of the people they're actively trying to genocide, who have nearly 0 general, cultural and historical claims to anywhere on the levant think they have a gotcha because Palestinians haven't been independent is absolutely hilarious. Especially because their pathetic claims and excuses to do the vile things they do are fairytales from a collection of sandnigger books, astonishing how many fell for their scam really
>>18747295>they have a gotcha because Palestinians haven't been independentExcuse me what exactly is this "Palestinians" that you speak of?
>>18747301Die, kike
why are they like this?
>>18747304>>18747316They ain't human.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair
Can someone explain to me why Jews are uniquely evil for what they're doing to Palestinians when Americans did the same exact thing to Native Americans? Zionism is just Manifest Destiny; Jew edition. And it seems like the only people seething over Palestinians are either third worldists or hypocritical white liberal Americans
>>18747336What Americans did to Native Americans was also evil, the difference is that Jews are still doing it.
>>18747341What Americans did to Natives is why America is now a global superpower. Why exactly should Jews have to stop? Zionists will often even use Manifest Destiny as justification.
>>18747349>What Americans did to Natives is why America is now a global superpower.Which makes it even worse.>Why exactly should Jews have to stop?Nobody is forcing them to stop, but you can't expect that the rest of the world won't see their evil deeds for what they are.
>>18747365>Nobody is forcing them to stop, but you can't expect that the rest of the world won't see their evil deeds for what they are.By the same token, you also can't expect American diplomats to just drop their support for Israel either, lest they openly look like hypocrites
>>18747376How are modern US diplomats responsible for something that happened more than a century before they were born?
>>18747378>A countries diplomats shouldn't represent their countries foundational principles because...it happened a long time ago o algo
>>18747384Why should they? The government that they represent no longer stands for that "foundational principle" and hasn't for a very long time.
>>18747168Palestine is a fake country that was created in 1995. Its entire raison d'être is based entirely in post war UN laws that basically state that Palestinian people are so pathetic, weak, and brown that they HAVE to be allowed to exist based on international law. But its such a non country that even though it has international backing, its nothing more than open air israeli concentration camps. Its split between two disconnected plots of land that share no unified legitimate government and both parts end up just being puppets for Israels foreign adversaries which basically uses the "Palestinian people" as useful idiots in a PR war where they march these god forsaken people into the meat grinder of the Israeli war machine in the hopes that it generates enough sympathy that the UN enforces even strong international laws based on how weak, pathetic, and brown the Palestinian people are.
>>18747378>>18747389you have to realize that this position isnt one based on reason or logic, but a purely emotional reaction by leftist. Brown people country sucks? ugh, its actually all the fault of white people and america! Central America is a povertly stricken shithole forever because the US Marines occupied a port there for several months in 1909 dude.
>>18747390I still don’t understand why the Arabs didn’t want the 47 partition. They got almost all the good land, and the Jews either got stuff they already owned or desert.
>>18747567From what I recall reading, most of the Palestinians wanted it, the local councils wanted it, because they wanted any form of legitimacy they could get. But the Pan-Arabic / Muslim Brotherhood shitheads refused to concede on the principal that the entire nation was rightful Muslim clay. They sabotaged negotiations and refused to acknowledge the UN's ruling, which effectively damned the people of Palestine to statelessness for decades.
>>18747567It's actually even worse than that lmao, the Arabs sperged the fuck out at an even more modest partition that the Jews were favorable to.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission
>>18747577The Muslim Brotherhood has never been concerned with the welfare of the Palestinian people. The whole thing is merely a proxy war for them. They will happily use the Palestinians to fight the Jews until the last Palestinian is dead.
>>18747394I'm glad to learn the US has left them alone since 1909, it certainly hasn't been a century since then of couping or sanctioning anyone who cares about normal people and propping up rightoids who'll make US companies rich
>>18747577That tracks. I mean if you look at that map, it actually does seem fair. Perhaps even stilted in the favor of the Arabs. The biggest piece of land that was public that Israel got here is the Negev desert, and the Jerusalem MacGuffin ends up neutral so no one shits on anyone else’s religious site.
>>18747567why would you want partition? How is turning your country into a Northern Ireland or India/Pakistan type shithole ever a good thing?Palestinian Arabs (like most peoples in the world) fundamentally reject the idea that minorities have some kind of natural right to carve ethnostates out of other people's land. America, which talks so much about partition being "reasonable" in the Palestinian context, would never think to resolve its ethnic tensions by giving South Carolina and Georgia to black people. It's multiculturalism for me and partition for thee.
>>18747588The whole Ottoman Empire was partitioned though. You can argue that should have been handled differently, but why not partition it? The groups hated and feared each other. They were engaged in open hostilities on and off. Why not just split up?
>>18747588Kek, yeah, Americans, why don’t you partition states into Hispanic/Latin, African, Chinese/East Asian and Indian/South Asian lines if these “races” are such a problem?
It is true that jews poisoned wells in Palestine and Medieval Europe
>>18747584>THE US CIA IS INTERFERING WITH THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED COMMIE KLEPTOCRATS THATS WHY WE SUCK!
>>18747588Palestine wasn't a "country", it was an administrative district in a large empire, without any kind of traditional local government. It was a stateless region, like Syria, leftover after the constituent nations within the Ottoman Empire had their borders set. They could have included it in another state, but instead set it apart to try and organize a new government there, with the consent of the people who lived there. By that point, a lot of the people living there were Jews. And no, they didn't just invade and steal land, they purchased it legally. Plenty of Arab landowners in Palestine were happy to sell their largely unprofitable arid landholdings to wealthy foreigners. They didn't have a problem with it until they started setting up their own local government over the contiguous swathes of territory they owned. More accurately, though, Arab nationalists and Pan-Islamists had a problem with it.
>>18747593Because they’re not actually a problem? Though to be fair a number of Native American reservations are self governing and treated as their own nations.
>>18747588>fundamentally reject the idea that minorities have some kind of natural right to carve ethnostates out of other people's landSo they shouldn't have gotten independence from the Ottoman Empire, or the British Mandate?
>>18747582I wonder who could be behind this comment
>>18747605>the Native Americans are a problem then, according to the US governmentDamn, guess it’s their fault for being in their motherland. Actually, that’s quite like how the Palestinian situation is, a group of people indigenous to the land displaced by Jews from God knows where, even the pre-existing “Mizrahi” Jews in Palestine prior to Israel still have problems in Israel today as they’re looked down by Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews…who never even lived there.
>>18747168>Palestine TerritoriesIt was as real as the Northwest Territories currently is. It's a British thing for shitland areas.
>>18747614Huh? The point is they have their sovereign states. Plus unlike what happened in the US, the Jews either already lived there, or bought land to live on there. Then you have all the Jews who fled Arab states after they were ethnically cleansed. Is this really about more than ‘we get states, and you don’t?’ Just seems like some kind of petty double standard to me.
>>18747614Wrong, Ashkenazicucks watch as their thots get bred by Mizrahi bvlls.
>>18747614>>18747621BTW Palestine itself had a minuscule population for a long ass time after the crusades, only experiencing immigration within the Ottoman Empire relatively late, hence why plenty of Palestinians have surnames that indicate ancestry from other places like El Kurd.
>>18747623I ended up googling some of this shit, wound up traveling down the Wikipedia rabbit hole. Apparently the Arab leadership was already threatening to massacre the Jews before the partition. No wonder they were so intent on statehood.
>>18747607The irony is that India was quite friendly to Jews in medieval times. Not a single pogrom occurred in India regardless of ruler or religion, and it took colonial powers to arrive in India before antisemitism of any kind happened there.>>18747621>the Jews either already lived thereMizrahi Jews. Which I mentioned.>Jews who fled Arab states after they were ethnically cleansedMost of it due to conflict caused by Nazi ideology in North Africa, as well as anti-British sentiments stoked by the World Wars and their fallout leading the Arabs to condemn Jews. The vast majority of the non-Mizrahi and Arab Mizrahi exodus back to Palestine took place after the establishment of Israel as a state, not before. Without the state, there is no mass exodus.>>18747623>Palestine was small so it doesn’t matterWell damn, guess that applies to several Indigenous as well and so they must suck it up.
>>18747636>without the state there is no mass exodus So it would have been better for them to have nowhere to go and just get massacred? Again, this was all part of the Ottoman Empire. Why not grant them independence? It isn’t like the Arabs liked the Jews.
>>18747604>a country has a lot of Jews living there, many of them wealthy landownersokay>therefore they have the right to acquire exclusive sovereignty and drive out as many locals as they need to secure a majority???What's wrong with just being an Arab country with a lot of Jews in it? Maybe even with some guaranteed legal rights for its significant Jewish minority.Seems way better than the war zone drunk on ethnonationalist poison and perpetual refugee crisis we got out of the deal.
>>18747604Let's entertain the idea the majority of zionist territory carved out of palestine came from Palestinian house and land owner that sold it to scoundrels from Europe (it didn't happen, kike leaders of the time themselves admitted they outright killed/expelled the natives and stole their homes), does it mean New Jersey and Brooklin yids have a right to carve out an ethnostate in those regions because WASPs sold them property years ago?The kike logic and moral standing are absolutely astonishing really, literal a case of study how completely psychotic an entire group of "people" can be
>>18747654Well given the grand mufti of Jerusalem was a big Hitler fan, and leaders of the Arab world are threatening to massacre you, I’d say the war zone probably looked a lot safer.
This argument is irrelevant,>>18747186fpbp. Palestine has been a distinct region for a very long time, and Arabic-speaking Palestine since the conquests of the 600s. It isn’t the 20th century anymore and most people - least of all the liberals who so many Zionist Jews supported - don’t believe in history-based irredentism, especially when you’re stretching it almost two thousand years into the past. You don’t NEED a well-defined national identity or some great history to claim the region you live in. People in many parts of Europe and the world didn’t really have one. And even if one were to consider the inhabitants of Palestine as members of a greater Syrian or Arab nation, it wouldn’t affect the way things are perceived, although the fact that they have no place that will take them, like Syria took the Golan refugees or Balkan countries took theirs during the population exchanges, makes the situation more serious.Almost as silly as when some “people” try to imply that Arab (by language) = genetic Arab from Arabia, and claim that regions as dense as Egypt and Mesapotamia were completely replaced (how convenient that Greater Israel doesn’t have any natives left, so it’s free to take) Honorable mentions for retarded irrelevant arguments: - the Palestine crisis is primarily a religious war (might as well call the Northern Ireland troubles a religious conflict) - the establishment of Zionism by elite Ashkenazim in Europe means that Israel is huwhite and western (ignore the Mizrahim and Ashkenazi haredim please, our browns and religious extremists are totally different from theirs guise.) And you get Kahanists cheering the end of secular Zionism and the diaspora, imagining how massive of an improvement it is, saying that being doctors and lawyers etc. was lame exile shit…While being a squatter that herds sheep, steals olives, chimps out and believes in a 6000 year old flat earth is the true way of being a Jew
>>18747636>indians did not progrom their racial brethrenColor me surprised (but don't color me brown because I am neither jeet nor jew)
>>18747588Because we know that Arabs and Jews are less developed so we hold them to lower moral standards than white people. Brown people can't get along so it's best to seperate them.
>>18747679>to claim the region you live inBut why would you *need* to claim the region you live in anyways? Multiculturalism is a blessing and ethnostates are evil.
>>18747748Gaza and the West Bank are ethnostates. Israel is actually multicultural.
>>18748129Death to Palestine then.
>>18747650Anon, this is nothing new for the Jews. They’ve had several mass migrations from one region or the other throughout history. See the Spanish expulsion of Jews for example, resulting in Sephardic Jews migrating to Holland and England. Look into the history of the time, read the wiki pages more, and you will see that there were plans by them to set up Jewish settlements and ghettoes in other areas of the world as they’d done so for centuries. Owning land in Palestine and demanding a sovereign state for oneself there are two different things.
>>18748349Why bother refusing them the state? The Arabs hate the Jews, the Jews expected Arab pogroms to continue. The logical solution was just a partition. Why would Arabs want to ‘share’ a state with a minority they despise unless they were planning on killing them? Keep in mind that the Arab leaders were shouting the quiet part out loud through a megaphone. Personally I think the Jews were just like Christians, Druze, Yazidis, and other groups that aren’t Sunni Arabs. They knew that the Arabs were at best going to treat them as second class citizens, and were more likely to kill them. At that point they have every reason and right to demand partition. I’m curious, is Kosovo a legitimate state, or did the Muslim Kosovar Albanians just kinda step out of line when the Serbs got all remove kebab happy?
Palestinians can only blame islam and the arab world for their paradigm but they could never bring themselves to do so. All peaceful attempts to reconcile have faced islamist wrath.
>>18747168>sovereignYou know exactly how much heavy lifting that word is doing.
>>18747236>Palestinian religionLmao
>>18747194This question prompted me to look into some Palestinian history: found some pretty neat factoids. Apparently in Ottoman-era Palestine, the Palestinian peasantry were known to have much more land than people, using a lot of land for just personal use, but also grouped up to form these huge rival armed militias up to 200,000 in size where the leaders of said militias were known to feud against each other, though the militias were primarily there to defend against raiding Bedouins. It was a highly armed society, much like how rural Yemenis are today. I don't often think much at all about Arab Palestinian history (I imagine that most people overlook it as well), but seems pretty cool thus far. I'll eventually do some more reading.>>18747633>Apparently the Arab leadership was already threatening to massacre the Jews before the partitionGenuinely curious, may I see where you read this?
>>18747584this is the "freely elected democracy" youre cucking for retard
>post-colonial lands should have self-determination>no, not like that
>>18749191It’s just Wikipedia. Under the runup to partition on the 1947 plan. Unless you mean the stuff with the grand mufti guy who apparently liked Hitler a lot.
>>18749191>>18749211Stuff like after the Jews won the UN vote, the Arabs went full lolgenocide. Stuff like the secretary general of the Arab league saying “ Personally I hope the Jews do not force us into this war because it will be a war of elimination and it will be a dangerous massacre which history will record similarly to the Mongol massacre or the wars of the Crusades."
>>18749211>>18749224>Kikes since the mid 1800s infest said land, carve up several bantustans for themselves and gradually escalate settler violence against the locals>Kike leaders and militias go full gloves off and do a massive ethnic cleansing killing/torturing/expelling as much as they possibly can as planned since the beginning according to kike king ben gurion itself>surprised Picachu face the locals relatiateLiterally crying out in pain as they strike out>>18748706Surrendering to evil yids means becoming West Bank, a defenseless, humiliated, deprived and often ethnically cleansed minority in several bantustan pockets and kike infesters from europe, us, nafriland and even ethiopia start more and more to displace you while you can do nothing. >>18748129Kike projection and inversion of reality is truly a case of study, but I completely agree kikeness isn't an ethnicity, it's an anti-human sideology where the worst scoundrels and sociopaths from all around the globe decide to lean to, so yes in a way the kike regime is """multicultural""", with jewish infesters from all around the globe except the levant itself (lmfao) whose identity is leeching off goyim as much as possible and genociding the people they occupy while playing victim
>>18748400>Personally I think the Jews were just like Christians, Druze, Yazidis,Lmfao, the first organized resistance against kikery in Palestine were literally done by Christian, it is absolutely hilarious how a decapitated cockroach hasbarats appeal to every single fallacy around to the point they equalize themselves to indigenous religious and ethnic minorities, most of which absolutely despite your ilkIt will be interesting to see the day US and Euroach boomers start to burn in hell because the youth in both places despite your con settler state, literally more hated worldwide than North Korea despite all kike owned media propaganda shilling for you
>>18749309Cry harder, Paki.
>>18749319I accept your defeat, rodent
>>18749321All you guys can do is chimp out then cry like bitches when the Jews inevitably blow you the fuck up. Jews just can't stop winning.
>>18749305>Surrendering to evil yids means becoming West BankA place that's far less of a shithole than Gaza?
>>18749305>muslims are really shitty to have to live around>wut, minorities don’t want to live around Muslims? Zuttphobia!Basically everyone wised up real fast once they learned that Ottoman repression and discrimination was the ‘nice’ kind of muzzie tyranny. Don’t google Yemenite Jews btw since it’s fine when muzzies ethnically cleanse their nests, but when a civilized society does it? Zuttphobia!>>18749309You know, this might be true if it wasn’t for the fact that you’re talking about Zuttsluts. When ever anyone is forced to deal closely with a bunch of inbred, low IQ, terroristic Zuttsluts? It reminds them of why the rest of the world is constantly at war with them. Christians? War. Jews? War. Hindus? War. Buddhists? War. Nationalists? War. Communists? War. Secularists? War.
>>18749370>Israelis can just lynch you and take your home and nobody does anythingI'd still prefer Gaza desu senpai
>>18749664>Don’t google Yemenite Jews btw since it’s fine when muzzies ethnically cleanse their nestsI did and I found out that they disappeared because Ben-Gurion airlifted the entire community to Israel, only involvement of le evil antisemitic muzzies is that the Israelis had to bribe the Imam of Yemen with all of the Yemenite Jews belongings before they could do it. As if that wasn't bad enough, Israel also kidnapped thousands of their children to be given to Ashkenazi foster parents.
>>18750105>no, like half a million people fled muzzie murder because of the Jews, not the heckin cute and valid Zuttsluts lol, sounds less like a bribe and more like a ransom. There’s a reason no one wants to be forced to live around Zuttsluts. Well, a lot of reasons, but the violence and repression are the biggest ones.
>>18749690Gaza is the same but with Hamas + the West Bank's socioeconomic stats absolutely sharted on Gaza even before 2023.
>>18747633>Apparently the Arab leadership was already threatening to massacre the Jews before the partitionred herring? jewish occupation started around 1900. the arabs were bound to notice.
>>18747623now trying the 'it was uninhabited, I swear' routine?
>>18747390>retards appearMore real unlike your oy revisionism.
Why does everyone ignore that this is also Palestine
>>18747679>Palestine has been a distinct region for a very long timeEretz Yisrael has been a distinct region for the same amount of time plus about 1500 years more in the past. British documents referred to the region as "Mandatory Palestine (Eretz Yisrael)".The issue with OP's pic is that it misconstrues a topographical name as an argument to deny Jewish connection to the Levant or to imply that Jews didn't exist there prior to 1948.Nevermind that by 1947 huge swathes of the region were populated by a majority of Jews. The partition plan reflected areas of Jewish majority and areas of Muslim majority at the time.These Jews were a combination of those who had always lived in the Levant and those who migrated into the land mostly when it was part of the Ottoman empire, plus a few more who migrated there much later during the British period. Keep in mind that the British restricted Jewish immigration into the Levant way more than the Ottomans.It's easy to argue for a 2 State solution (which was possible and the Arab League rejected it), but arguing that Israel shouldn't exist in any way, shape or form can't be done unless you go full "jews bad" tier /pol/tard
>>18747168>But where is the legal document saying PALESTINA>Checkmate goyThis isnt convincing anyone, schlomo. Very little was explicitly laid out in contract and legal terms before the 20th century, anywhere.You think the average peasant anywhere had a "deed" saying they lived somewhere? You only foster more resentment with these callous nonsensical arguments, jew
>>18747168the jews as a population are too autistic to understand that mass slaughter and long term subjugation of the people of a land is bad unless its written down in a book they can memorize. This is why they created the talmud
>>18747336the american colonizers just told the native americans to fuck off and ocassionally they did. The israelis saw whole cities built by the palestinians, forced families out of brick and mortar homes by gunpoint, and then didnt even let the palestinians fuck off!!
>>18753456>the British restricted Jewish immigration into the Levant way more than the Ottomans.In 1882 the jewish population in palestine was estimated at 24,000, its incredibly disingenuous to play down the role immigration by zionist jews played in the subsequent growth of the jewish population
>>18748400>Why bother refusing them the state?Because like 90 percent of them came in the last decade and owned a tiny portion of the land?>The Arabs hate the Jews, the Jews expected Arab pogroms to continue.This is why you're supposed to behave and assimilate when you emigrate somewhere instead of stealing home and blowing up hotels.>At that point they have every reason and right to demand partition.More like the actual people who lives there had every right to tell them to get lost. No one has a right to a state.
>>18754181>The israelis saw whole cities built by the palestiniansThe Palestinians didn't build shit though
>>18751923>arabs notice thingsThey were the ones selling the Jews land>>18754186>tiny portion of land It’s fine, the Arabs took more than that when they ethnically cleansed their Jewish minorities anyway. Population exchanges work like that.>behave and assimilate So just become Muslim? Back to that whole thing.>no one has any right to a stateSo we can stop pretending that Gaza matters any more than Yemen or Darfur? Sounds good.
>>18747168It was stupid for the UN to create a jew state without also requiring every jew be quarantined in it.
>>18754186>No one has a right to a state.Israel won its war of independence. It has a right to a state.
>>18754183>its incredibly disingenuous to play down the role immigration by zionist jews played in the subsequent growth of the jewish populationAnd its incredibly disingenuous to ignore that the majority of jews in israel are only there because the arab states they were living in violently drove them out, and they were forced to flee to israel.
>>18754173>it was real in my mind
>>18753456>plus 1500 years in the pastwhat about Peleset? Syria Palestina? Heck, the Philistines in the Bible?Israel and Palestine are first attested around the same time in history, too, both are late bronze age names/origins
>>18753456>but arguing that Israel shouldn't exist in any way, shape or form can't be done unless you go full "jews bad" tier /pol/tardYes it can, it's just the logical extension of a belief in multiculturalism and religious pluralism, and an acknowledgement that partition on ethnic lines has been a disaster that led to perpetual conflict everywhere the British tried itLook at the nightmare that is Gaza today, or even the reasonably well off but endless conscription/war zone/rocketry target that is Israel, and ask yourself if this is really better than an inclusive, secular government that you had the right to communicate with in either Hebrew or Arabic.
>>18754625>an inclusive, secular government that you had the right to communicate with in either Hebrew or Arabic.You're describing the current state of Israel.
>>18754612The current state of Palestine has no connection with the historical Philistines, not even the current name.
>>18747336Americans did that in 1700s when such things were more tolerated
>>18754414And what was the chain of events that led to those expulsions? I suspect every single MENA leader didn't just spontaneously wake up and decide that the local Jewish population were all fifth columnists that had to go
>>18755046That's literally what happened. They all collectively seethed at the establishment of Israel to the point that they globalized the intifada and durka durka jihaded the jews in every MENA country spontaneously.
>>18754625They tried that in Lebanon, India, and to a lesser degree Myanmar. Muslims don’t do tolerance very well. They either rule you, or fight you, and they’re not kind or tolerant rulers. Only Turkey is not a total shithole and they had secularism beaten into them by Ataturk. >>18755046No, they hated the Jews. Just with decolonization, no one was restraining them anymore. Still, the Jews booted some Arabs, the Arabs booted some Jews. How is this unfair?
