>>18748217
I would submit that the vast majority of atheist argumentation is some form of the argument from incredulity fallacy.
>You believe in Jesus?
>Did you know Jesus said XYZ?
>Can you BELIEVE he said XYZ?
>I don't like it
>Therefore God doesn't exist

>>18748217
Jews do not fly

>>18748228
I would submit the vast majority of theist arguments can be reduced to god of the gaps babble because literally every single other argument got irrevocably BTFO by this point

>>18748238
>believes science of the gaps

>>18748228
zero fulfilled messianic prophecies btw

>>18748217
Let's see if you can answer this. Do you worship a man with a circumcised cock and swinging balls? If so, do you worship his genitals or does that part of him disgust you because you're a straight man?

>>18748242
Science of the gaps advanced humanity throughout all of history, god of the gaps didn't do shit other than hindering science and making the masses content with their mediocrity

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>>18748253
>advanced humanity

>>18748261
>gays didn't exist before atheism
These copes never stop being funny

>>18748266
Homonormativity didn’t exist before atheism.

>>18748269
>Homonormativity didn’t exist before atheism.
The absolute state of /his/ in 2026

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>bro you just disagree with me because you didn't study hard enough
>no I won't explain what exactly you failed to study, I'm here to vaguepost ok?

>>18748271
Where’s the lie?

>>18748238
Yeah, not really. Repeating buzzwords from gaytheist-tube is not really a substitute for empiricism. You should consider getting a lobotomy.
>>18748243
Right, except that they were all fulfilled. Those flames just got hotter.

>>18748272
You're a shit poop fart frog poster, you don't have grounds to judge anyone. You should kill yourself.

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>>18748236
I choose to believe they do

>>18748283
I reject the first premise therefore the conclusion does not follow

>>18748275
>cope cope seethe seethe
Surely you can name a solid theist argument then that's not a god of the gaps copout?

>>18748300
I sure can. No one argues God of the gaps, by the way. You're a braindead piece of trash.

>>18748305
>I can't but I won't heh
Every single time

>>18748318
Huh?

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>>18748283
fix'd

Christians believe in an omnipotent omniscient creator and are primarily concerned with salvation.

Atheists believe men can be women and are primarily concerned with sticking it to heckin' bigots who say otherwise.

It is obvious whose beliefs are informed by metaphysics and philosophy and those who are influenced by deranged nonsense.

>>18748322
I can but i wont*
Feel free to prove me wrong, clearly you can't since you won't

>>18748329
>Feel free to prove me wrong
How about you earn that?

>>18748331
I accept your concession

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>>18748335

>>18748253
science of the gaps is a new atheistic religion and it mostly consists of the "randomness and really long time scales is the solution to everything" creed, it also has nothing to do with "all of history"

>>18748272
>>no I won't explain what exactly you failed to study, I'm here to vaguepost ok?
But that's exactly what (You) do, brownoid s-yteen.
>n-nooo I totally didn't make 999999 Godjak threads I swear on Vishnu!!!!
Sure thing, Pajeet.

>>18748342
Bingo.

>>18748323
>the ̶ l̶e̶f̶t̶ ̶ right cant meme
Lmao. unless you are essentially a globohomo communist you are "trying to sound edgy" in the eyes of 99% of christians. You know jesus wasn't white, right?

>>18748350
>You know jesus wasn't white, right?
Verse?

>>18748353
>Verse?
Hebrews 7:14: "For it is evident that our Lord descended from Judah"

>>18748364
That doesn't say Jesus isn't white. Try again?

>>18748217
Theism is not a theory, there is no 'thing' to comprehend

>>18748370
Please enlighten us, what did ancient judeans look like?

>>18748376
Sorry, the burden of proof is on you. Nice try though. Verse?

>>18748378
This was more of a rhetorical question retarded. Ancient judeans weren't white, unless you also consider Arabs white

>>18748387
>Ancient judeans weren't white
Verse?

>>18748388
NTA, Genesis does not mention skin color but it does say that Yahuda had black eyes.

>>18748388
Neghaim 2:1 ""A bright spot in a German appears dull, and a dull spot in a Cushite appears bright. Rabbi Ishmael says: The children of Israel, may I be a ransom for them, are like boxwood—neither black nor white, but in between the two.""

>>18748387
nta but they are pretty close genetically to Europeans, though "white" is a stretch since they have darker features. Middle Easterners are Caucasoid for sure

>>18748397
Cool, but how about a verse from the Bible?

>>18748406
Why does it have to be a verse from the bible? You keep moving goalposts lmao
We've proven
>jesus was of judean origin
>judeans from that time looked "neither white nor black"
Jesus was not white q.e.d.

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>>18748406
lmao stfu retard

>>18748407
>You keep moving goalposts
No, I'm not. I've consistently asked for a verse from the Bible. You can't provide one. You're regurgitation of gaytheist debatelord talking points suggests an inability to think critical and an IQ sub 100.
>lmao
Sub 95.

>>18748415
>I've consistently asked for a verse from the Bible.
Meanwhile you:
>>18748353
>Verse?
>>18748378
>Verse?
Not a single mention of the bible
Your pathetic way of sophistry is not even good sophistry since it's so retarded

>>18748423
>Your pathetic way of sophistry is not even good sophistry since it's so retarded
You're braindead. "Verse" is shorthand for "Chapter and verse, King James Bible." You would know that if you spent any time lurking here. By the way, what color is your skin?

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>>18748415
>Sub 95
>believes jews are white and can fly

True. And there's no shame in "lack of comprehension" in something that makes so little sense theologians resigned themselves to "just accept it, don't try to comprehend."

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>>18748430
That's my attitude towards the Trinity which is a valid posture. But if you're debating religion, you should at the very least understand the basics.

Yeah. Fedoras are utterly convinced that their views are "just obvious," so they try to debunk 2,000 years of the world's richest metaphysical tradition with mic drops. An honest mind will try to attack his opponent's best argument, but they almost always go for the low hanging fruit over and over again, and generally just have no theory of mind wrt lettered Christians familiar with their tradition.

>>18748435
The basics of religious debate is that relitards fundamentally don't abide by basic debate etiquette. There is no bad argument for their side. Fucking anything goes so long as their conclusion is "I will not question the dogma."

>>18748440
>muh rich tradition
You know you lost when that's your only argument for your cult kek

>>18748217
Fair but that's true of most Christian arguments too.

>>18748447
If you'd like to refute my post by proving your vast knowledge of Church history and theology, you are more than welcome.

>>18748452
What sort of proof will you even accept, christcuck

>>18748217
for me its their insistence that the questions they pose havent been posed (let alone answered) before in the thousands of years the smartest people on the planet have spent debating these very questions.

>>18748471
Oh they have been posed sure, it's just that they haven't been answered to this day kek

>>18748466
I'll accept debate from anyone who is intelligent and can be expected to conduct himself like a gentleman. As we can all agree, that does not include you; you're are instead someone with far too much free time on his hands trying to bait me into some gay online catfight.

>>18748376
They were brown

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>>18748487
>As we can all agree

>>18748471
They have been posed, but the answers have never been satisfactory in the slightest. Anyone who isn't intentionally disingenuous can clearly see this is what atheists say, and I agree.

Just prove that he was raised after three days and it's a done deal. But unfortunately the only proof is in the Bible itself that was written a hundred years after the fact by some Greeks who simply summarized the oral teachings. Miss me with the theological "proofs". They all boil down to "but can you imagine it to be any other way? of course not!" and honestly I don't blame them for being intellectually dishonest. Their whole life and afterlife is based on believing. I can't imagine the mental anguish realizing that everything was a sham including all the social relationship, their career and "academic" titles

>>18748236
Scientific proof?

>>18748217
>>18748228
>>18748471
the reason people keep posing extremely simple and straightforward questions like
>why would an omnipotent loving god choose to cause children to be born with incurable cancer
is because there is only one valid answer
the fact that christians have spent 2000 years inventing absurdly elaborate copes to try to deal with this sort of question does not mean that they're succeeded

any rational person can look at the christian depiction of god, look at the world, and instantly recognize that the two are objectively incompatible
a loving, omnipotent, omniscient god would not choose to create a world like this
simple as that
when babies are born literally every day with horrific birth defects and cancers that result in them living in agony for a few days or weeks before dying
and you claim that your god loves them and knew that they would be born like this and could have stopped it but chose not to, you need a very compelling reason why he chose to not do so

the honest christians eventually admit that they believe that these babies deserve to die in agony because they're guilty of original sin and their deaths are a just punishment
at its core, christianity is actually a suffering and misery cult
this is what their entire religion is based around
look at how much time they spend talking about and imagining "sinners" being eternally tortured
look at the symbol of their faith; a literal instrument of torture and murder
look at the way suffering is baked into this reality at every level

it's impossible to live without directly harming other living things
this is true at every level, from whales down to bacteria
if you want to live you MUST harm other living things; there's no other option
they say this was not an accident
their loving god created the world this way, specifically, on purpose
he could have done it differently, he could have created a world where you can live without being forced to hurt other living things
he didn't

>>18749841
>any rational person can look at the christian depiction of god, look at the world, and instantly recognize that the two are objectively incompatible
God kills people and even commands children to be killed all throughout the Bible. He's going to torture you with fire for eternity. That's not "incompatible", the version of God in your head is just retarded and wrong. You should either believe in Jesus or kill yourself, those are your only viable options.

>>18749842
thank you for providing a perfect example of what i was describing

>>18749841
The reason people like (you) keep repeating a question they’ve seen wisely answered a thousand times and ignoring those answers is because they’re addicted to porn or they’re mad they weren’t created as women or some other kind of degeneracy

>>18749849
go ahead, answer it for us
why would an omnipotent loving god choose to cause children to be born with incurable cancer?

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>>18749851
Do you not know the answer, fool?

>>18749848
>thank you for providing a perfect example of what i was describing
Nothing like that happened. You should kill yourself, your brain is a drain on society.

>>18749852
if you'd actually read my first post then you'd know that i know the "answer" you cultists prefer:
>>18749841
>these babies deserve to die in agony because they're guilty of original sin and their deaths are a just punishment

but that is not a valid answer for people outside your misery cult
the whole concept of original sin is absurdly sadistic
normal people understand that babies don't deserve to be tortured to death because some woman ate a piece of fruit thousands of years ago
you have to be a christian to think that

>>18749856
one example was enough buddy you don't need to give us another

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>>18748217
I guess you're right, I just haven't read enough theology to understand god's mysterious ways.

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>>18748323
>Atheists believe men can be women
But our Prophet says they can't.

>>18749860
First of all, “I don’t like that” is not a legitimate response and there is only a valid answer, not a “valid answer for people (which are wicked and ungodly and really want to excuse their sin)”. Facts don’t care about your feelings, sweatie. So as far as we’ve gone, I accept your concession. I win. Second, I say that you not only deserved to die of horrific cancer as soon as you were born, you deserve to suffer eternally because of your wretchedness. That you are permitted to live in God’s world at all is incredible mercy, and you are incredibly guilty for your incredible ingratitude. I tell you that God’s righteous judgement will fall on your head if you do not repent, your misery will become indescribable, infinitely worse than it is now, and every moment of it will be just and good. Jesus suffered this wrath in the place of everyone that believes, so that everyone who believes in Him will be saved from the judgement which they built up for themselves, and not one of them will be put to shame.

>>18749871
He also said a penis is the least harmful thing a priest puts in a boy’s mouth.

>>18749861
See >>18749856

>Jesus: You should love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

>Christians: Oh yeah absolutely, I understand.
>Also Christians:
>>18749873

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>>18749875
Big if true.

>>18749873
I often wonder if guys like this actually believe the goofy shit they write or if they're just using the facade of religion as a vehicle for their misanthropy.

>>18749884
The disgusting thing is you atheists pretend to care about children dying in order to justify killing children.

>>18749890
oh, we're doing the strawman thing again
alright i'll play along

i'm not an atheist
i don't believe that any children should be killed for any reason

why do you pretend to care about abortion when you're beside yourself with glee at the thought of babies being born with birth defects that cause them to live in agony for a few days before dying?
you love it, right? it's an incredible mercy that those babies were permitted to live in god's world for even a couple days
how dare anyone have the incredible ingratitude to suggest that it was unfair for them to be born with incurable cancer
those babies deserve not only every bit of suffering they received, but they deserved infinitely more

you unironically believe this shit and then you'll turn around and be like
>ohhh but abortion is such a terrible evil oh my god i can't believe those unborn children are being murdered
who are you kidding? you literally just said that they deserved it
by your own words those fetuses deserved to be aborted and they're being tortured eternally in hell as we speak and that's a good thing because that's what they deserve

am i really supposed to take you seriously?
you don't believe anything
you just want a vehicle to hate people

>>18749896
>you're beside yourself with glee at the thought of babies being born with birth defects that cause them to live in agony for a few days before dying?
And now we’re into outright slander. Tell me, moron, do you think there is no holy God watching your crimes? Do you think you will escape justice? Think again. You cannot comprehend the horrors which will be rightly inflicted on you forever.

These people want to assure themselves there is no God because if there is no God anything goes. If there’s no God, there’s nothing wrong with killing babies, they are justified to do so. Why do they pretend to care so much if a baby dies, especially when they desire to be justified in doing so? According to their worldview all that happens is a moist robot was deactivated. Atheism is the religion of psychopaths.

>>18749901
>And now we’re into outright slander.
i'm literally just repeating your own words buddy

let me ask you a question
is god perfect?
does god make mistakes?
does god do things that are evil or wrong?

>>18749904
>i'm literally just repeating your own words buddy
I actually rejoice that you speak evil about me falsely because of Christ’s name, because that is how your fathers treated the prophets.
>let me ask you a question
Yes. No. No.

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>>18749901
Atheists just don't want to reproduce.

>>18748217
Atheist are people who feel let down by a God who they tried hard to find and hid from them.

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>>18749905
Right, so we have a perfect god who doesn't make mistakes and never does anything that is evil or wrong.

We also have babies who are born with horrific birth defects. I've attached a picture of one such baby to illustrate this point. This is a baby born with anencephaly and acrania, which are the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp and a lack of the flat bones in the cranial vault. This baby likely died not long after this picture was taken.

Per your description of god's attributes, the fate of the baby in this picture is
intentional
not a mistake
not wrong
a good thing

god chose to make this baby born like this and according to your description of god, this was a good and correct decision
every time a baby dies horribly, it is a good thing
it is a correct thing
it was not a mistake
god chose to make it happen and he was right to do so
this baby deserved to be born missing most of its brain and skull
this baby is now being eternally tortured in hell
that is also good and correct and not accidental, not a mistake

you worship this god
you think that everything this god does is good
therefore you think that what happened to this baby is good

now that you understand your own position, i'm going to refer you back to
>>18749896
>you're beside yourself with glee at the thought of babies being born with birth defects that cause them to live in agony for a few days before dying?

>>18749998
This is one of those seething tranny posts that’s a waste of time to read.

Your entire appeal to emotion is also a strawman because this is not perfect nor God’s design because this is the fallen state of creation which He will heal and correct.

>>18750297
>makes a world where one of the parameters is that kids will start getting born with microcephaly if a couple of retards get tricked by a magical snake into eating a magical apple
what the fuck lmao
that's why you hire bug testers you absolute subtard

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I'm building a list of religious copes and need your help. So far I have the following:
>But how can you prove there ISN'T a god?
>It was a metaphor
>It wasn't meant to be taken literally
>You're a tranny
>You're [member of other religion] disguising your true intentions
>You're a demon
>God works in mysterious ways you can't understand
>God's definition of "good" is not humanity's definition of "good"
>If we accept that X defines "everything good in this world" then there must be an origin of X, therefore...
>MUH UNMOVED MOVER PRIME MOVER WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BAAAAAAANG
>My holy book says that you go to hell for doubting my holy book
>Without my religion everyone will start having gay sex so pretty please just believe it even though it's stupid horseshit because the alternative is infinite gay sex
>You're Indian!
>How can evolution be real if monkeys are still around?
If you have any more to add please let me know.

>>18750314
There is no possible world in which evil is permitted to exist unpunished

>>18748217
>Most atheist and anti-Christian arguments steem from a lack of basic theology comprehension.
on /his/*

95% of the people here who talk about theology are pseudos' which rely on whatever llm they have on their pc to larp any sub common knowledge.
The sooner you know this the better

>>18750471
>I love gay sex
Who cares?

>>18750483
I already have that one listed anon I was asking for other examples.

>>18750297
>perfect god begets imperfect fallen creation
nice perfection breh

>>18750486
What are you going to do with your faggoty little list?

>>18750487
>strawman strawman strawman

>>18748217
>>18749841
>These stupid atheists only use the weak arguments of young earth creationists and not a genius like E Michael Jones
>look up E Michael Jones and look at his arguments
>anti-racist creationist but catholic
Maybe chrisitans don't really look up their own intellectuals?

>>18748217
Fortunately, one is no longer obligated to pretend Several thousand years of post-hoc explanations built one over the other are compelling if you don't already believe in it.
A definite judgement cannot be made. But the simple arguments are enough to shut up any wannabe totalitarians trying to shove dogma down people's throats
>>18750553
E. Micheal Jones is not a YEC. Up and until some years ago YECism was an exclusively American protestant thing. It's bleeding into the rest of the world.

>>18748217
>Most atheist and anti-Christian arguments steem from a lack of basic theology comprehension.

I don't believe the god in the bible flooded the earth, nor do I believe humanity started with 2 people, nor do I believe a man was swallowed alive by a whale and survived for 3 whole days.

Where is my lack of basic theological comprehension?

>>18750602
>Up and until some years ago YECism was an exclusively American protestant thing
The entire western world believed in Biblical creation until about 100 years ago. Try reading a book sometime, shitskin.

>>18750602
>wannabe totalitarians trying to shove dogma down people's throats
In other words “I want access to women’s bathrooms”

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>>18750607
>The entire western world believed in Biblical creation until about 100 years ago

>>18750607
>the entire western world was hoodwinked by jewish fables and fanfiction until about 100 years ago
FTFY