Was it a foregone conclusion that Japanese expansionism and their hunger for resources would lead them into attacking the Allied Powers and the United States? How strong were the voices in the government and military who were opposed to it? Why weren't they listened to? Even without hindsight surely they were already far too involved in the Chinese invasion to take the catastrophic risk of opening up the war elsewhere, they knew not to provoke the Soviets for example. I understand that France and Britain were uncharacteristically weak at the time and the United States still seemed to be militarily limited but surely it was simply an unnecessary risk to take considering the sheer economic potential of the United States and the possibility of Germany signing a separate peace with Britain and France. To my knowledge the war in China remained limited primarily to the army and therefore didn't require the navy to be fully fuelled up and constantly at sea so the oil issue seems like it could have been handled with a mixture of rationing and diplomatic/economic measures. General Pacific War thread as well.
>>18750555The japanese military were entirely captured by the Bushido code, which ment death before dis-izzat.They would not backdown and withdraw from china, they also killed liberal politicians who wanted peace.The US fleet had been sent to Pearl habour due to Americas adherence to Plan yellow, an 1890s plan which predicted war with japanesse samurai.
>>18750555It wasn’t inevitable. No oil embargo, no war. Without it Japan likely would’ve remained laser-focused on the guagmire in China, maybe attack the Soviets if the opportunity arises but it’s a stretch.
>>18750632Japan still would have invaded Southeast Asia. The IJN was arguing for a strike south strategy well before the embargo and the war in China had long since stagnated prior to the embargo as well, giving more weight to their strategy with them having gained more influence. Japan invading Southeast Asia means war with the Allies.
>>18750632>oil embargoThat was in response to the Japanese involvement in French Indochina, surely the Japanese command knew this would get a response by an already suspicious United States.
With a strong (non-FDR) USA, Japan wouldn't have been so emboldened.
The US slapped a full embargo on Japan, seized all of their assets, and demanded they withdraw 100% from China. War was a certainty. Now, if the US had been less aggressive, played hot and cold, war might have been avoided or at least delayed a year or more, when the US would be in a much stronger position. But FDR was a warmonger and a diplomatic dullard, so...
>>18750555>>18750632>>18750642 Japan needed oil for bomber planes, tanks and trucks not just warships. The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, which the US correctly suspected was Japan activating its war plan to conquer all of Southeast Asia including the US held Philippines. Japan was not embargoed for attacking China, stop spreading that bullshit.>>18750555 >>18750632 The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940 which the US correctly suspected was part of a Japanese plan to conquer all of Southeast Asia, including the US held Philippines. The US did not embargo Japan for attacking China. The Japanese Navy plan to attack Southeast Asia was adopted after the Soviets defeated the Japanese army at Khalkhin Gol.>The US slapped a full embargo on Japan, seized all of their assets, and demanded they withdraw 100% from China. War was a certainty.That was after Japan invaded French Indochina AND after Japan killed American pilot Robert MacCawwley Short on 22 February 1932 in China and killed American sailors on the USS Panay in 1937Japan also sent Japanese spies like Satokata Takahashi to incite Black Nationalist groups in US like NOI to kill and rape white Americans before the embargo.
>>18750918>The Japanese Navy plan to attack Southeast Asia was adopted after the Soviets defeated the Japanese armyThe only way they could get oil was from dutch-owned indonesia (Borneo) and US owned Philippines was in the way.So the japanese plan was:Attack Pearl harbour and knock out the US pacific fleetInvade PhillipenesInvade Indonesia
>>18750850What right does Japan have to unjustly demmand resources and land from soverign nation territory?
>>18751577That's not a sound arguement in the context of the time because the US was backing up two explicit, globe spanning colonial empires and occupied the Phillipines themselves. Colonies are just the extension and formalization of demanding the resources of other lands and people with raw force. More broadly every country, and none more so than the United States, would suddenly feel "entitled" to trade if sufficiently denied the ability to do it. Its not like if they were being made as isolated and economically squeezed as Japan in 1941 they wouldn't attack anyone and everyone if they thought that was their best chance of getting their way.
>>18751839So your argument is if others do it, it is okay if we do it? If all your friends jumped off a bridge would you do it to?
>>18752302No its just like what Archimedes said, dont touch my spheres
have you ever played a strategy game where your opponent/rival was getting more powerful by the day and the gap was ever widening between youits a very uncomfy positon since you are desperate for a chance to close that gap or turn it outyou are itching but you also know RIGHT NOW, you will lose, but in the foreseeable future you will also lose, so right now is your best bet (because something happened somewhere else, so you try your best)its geopoliticswhereever you are not, your rival will beand japan was getting surrounded
>>18752394>japan was getting surroundedTo be fair, they kept inviting that.
>>18750918It was still stupid diplomacy to provoke war with Japan by putting unacceptable terms on them. War was certain then.
>>18752302Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, yes.
>>18752660And that's how Japan ended up eating two nukes.
>>18752653War was certain when Japan joined the Axis and formally announced their plans to remove Western colonies from Asia, which was prior to the embargo. Also, those conditions didn't come out of nowhere. The US steadily became more severe in their stances and negotiations since 1937 but Japan simply refused to budge one bit.
>>18750628the japanese concept of honour is extremely different from izzat their concept of bushido is driven by belief in their superiority, just like the nazis i mean if ur the ubermensch how dare other nations disobey you. izzat is just a shitty shame and fear based cultural concept which only seeks to serve as bravado for trivial situations.
>>18752821The resident schizo strikes again with the exact same spam as always.
>>18752854Thread schizos are everywhere nowadays
>>18752776>formally announced their plans to remove Western colonies from AsiaSource?
>>18750632>You won't sell me your stuff??! I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!!!!!!
>>18750850Aggressive is when you stop selling stuff to the country holding POW beheading competitions.
>>18752342Not Japan's sphere though
>>18753375"Unable or unwilling to control the military, Japan’s political leaders sought greater security by establishing the 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere' in August, 1940. In so doing they announced Japan’s intention to drive the Western imperialist nations from Asia."https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/pearl-harbor
>>18753379>POW beheading competitionsSounds like the US and bongs wherever they went. Famine is more efficient, as they both knew.
>>18753390Not the US', either.
>>18753413It was already their sphere.
>>18753412No, that's a US source. Where's your "formal" Japanese statement, which you (wtongfully) asserted they made?
>>18753415Genetic fallacy. Try again.
>>18753414No, the US had in the 19th century made it military policy to never land an army on the Asian continent. FDR, being a diplomatic and military dullard, ignored all that.
>>18753416Incoherent. Unintelligible. Try again.
>>18753417The US took the Philippines from Spain, then fought Filipinos for control over it, and also fought in China as well during the Boxer Rebellion. The US military was active on the ground in Asia before FDR.
>>18753419Appeal to ridicule fallacy.
>>18753424Still incoherent.
>>18753423>fought Filipinos for control over it, and also fought in China as well during the Boxer Rebellion.Philippines aren't mainland Asia. A detachment of marines defending an embassy is not an army. You have an FDR level of understanding.
>>18753417>>18753438So what right does Japan have to illegally seize the Phillipines from the American sphere? Also what American troops hit the Asian mainland did FDR send?
>>18753417Just ignore the multiple armies they sent to Korea and China sure.
>>18753436Skill issue.
>>18750555Nothing was inevitable.Every high-ranking Japanese officer or important person you read about thought that attacking America was insane- and in the long-term they were fucked if they didn't pull a quick victory. In gambling terms, it'd be like going all in to save your position when you only have $1000 left. You can either hope to win big or lose it all....and yet they still did it anyway to try to pull a win in China and everywhere else. The only thing they have left is retards on the internet trying to justify this long after the war ended.Sure, Japan managed to pull out impossible victories against bigger powers twice. But it worked- until it didn't.With the benefit of hindsight the only way they could have won was to not play. Withdraw from a fight they couldn't win in the long-term (China) and try to save what they could. That way they could at least keep Korea or Taiwan (who wants to attack through mountains, the Chinese with what navy?) and ideally Manchuria (fortify the fuck out of Shanhaiguan).
>>18753446Burma, and for you to have to ask that means you should stop posting.
>>18753447>multiple armies they sent to Korea and China sure.No armies were. sent to China, numale. Korea was an extension of FDR's new retard policy in Asia.
>>18753467Incoherence issue.
>>18754834And what of the army sent to Korea in the 1870s? This was somehow FDRs fault because...
>>18754096>Every high-ranking Japanese officer or important person you read about thought that attacking America was insane- and in the long-term they were fucked if they didn't pull a quick victory. If everyone thought it was insane, why did they at least not try to consolidate their position first than open up another front? Both Germany and Japan did the same mistake by dong so and invariabky cost them the war.
>>18754884>army sent to Korea in the 1870sSource?
>>18754900Nothing to consolidate after the US seized their assets and fully embargoed them. FDR forced them to war.
>>18755256>What is the Sherman expedition
>>18755274Shouldn't have invaded Indochina.
>>18755274They knew America would react to Japan illegally seizing French Indochina. Why did they seize all of French Indochina? America didn't care they took over the border region but there was no legitimate reason to seize the entire colony other than them somply land grabbing French land while they were busy getting kicked by the Germans
>>18755446>It was a punitive affair, not involving an army, similar to the Barbary Pirate affair earlier that century. You'd know this if you had a clue.
>>18755452So you agree , FDR started the war. Good.
>>18755454Why did FDR provoke Japan to war. He was a warmonger, plus a diplomatic dullard.
>>18755462Japan both provoked the US first and attacked the US first. Thus Japan started the war.
>>18755465No, siezing assets, and suddenly demanding Japan get out of China, and suddenly embargoing Japan are war provocative. But the warmonger FDR fancied himself as the world's policeman.
>>18755471The US had been firmly telling Japan to cease aggression in China since 1937. Japan refused to budge in any negotiations and instead kept antagonizing the US by jeopardizing their interests in China, threatening their territory in the Philippines, joining the Axis powers, and then attacking the US directly without warning. The US also had the right to cease material support to an antagonistic and hostile nation. Japan started the war.
>arguing that the Japanese Empire weren't the aggressors This is genuinely indefensible on every count except the Soviets in 1945 and at that point it was just putting down a rabid dog.
>>18755463Japan could of easily just not invaded French Indochina. Again what right did Japan have to illegally invaded French Indochina? Is this question so hard to answer you keep sidestepping it
>>18755518No, the warmonger who played diplomatic brinksmanship, stole Jap assets and decided he was the international police started the war. FDR .
>>18755638What right does warmonger FDR have to be the international police?
>>18755465>>18755452Hull note ultimatum is proof
>>18755665You do realize that was after Japan invaded Indochina, joined the Axis, and established the strike south doctrine to invade the Philippines, right? That is to say, only after years of Japanese antagonism and refusal to negotiate.
>>18755682But they didn't attack Philippines, right? FDR planning bombed Japan in 1940.
>>18755682>established the strike south doctrine to invade the PhilippinesSo the warmonger FDR used a rumored future event to monger his war?
>>18755784That was after Japan invaded French Indochina AND after Japan killed American pilot Robert MacCawwley Short on 22 February 1932 in China and killed American sailors on the USS Panay in 1937Japan also sent Japanese spies like Satokata Takahashi to incite Black Nationalist groups in US like NOI to kill and rape white Americans before the embargo.
>>18750555>How strong were the voices in the government and military who were opposed to it?Many in the Imperial cabinet were wary of the prospects of the Pacific War, and knew they couldn't win a war with the Allies outright. The expectation was that they would be cowed into accepting a settlement where they would abandon Asia in favor of focusing on Europe after occupying enough territory. When the war began and this did not happen, all they could do was shrug until 1945.>>18750632>maybe attack the Soviets if the opportunity arisesThe opportunity did arise with Barbarossa. But Japan decided that reneging on an agreement they signed just two months ago against the country which defeated them at Lake Khasan and Nomonhan was a bad idea.>>18750663FDR's initial reaction to this was to see if Indochina could be regarded as an independent country in negotiations going forward. You need to be a Japanese nationalist or illiterate moron to think that he was agitating for war with Japan (as opposed to Europe). Like this anon, who thinks the Hull Note was an ultimatum:>>18755665
>>18755859Not responsive to the question. Explain warmongering FDR's diplomatic divinations about the Philippines.
>>18755886>he was agitating for war with JapanOh yes, he was. You should look for the report he solicited, listing all the ways he could get a war with Japan, while making them fire first if possible. Despicable.
>>18755647So your argument is because America had plans in case war broke out is the same thing as Japan who actually did aggressively and illigally invade their neighbors that makes them equal?America was sticking up for their ally France who was down. Why did Japan need to illigally seize French Indochina? Again America allowed Japan to take the northern border region so Japan can "secure the border from bandits/smuggling" but them taking the entire colony was just land grabbing our and simple. Japan had no legal right to seize French land.
>>18750555The Japanese got off too lightly for their crimes, they should be thankful the Allies were being generous to let them get away with all their bs
>>18755886That anon was right.>>18756415How the situation in Ukraine and Iran?
>>18756413Not responsive. Who elected FDR to monger war and be the international police?
>>18756448It was 100% responsive. If Japan never illegally invaded French Indochina Japan would never have been embargoed. Standing up to militaristic aggressive nations like Japan was a need in the world that wanted peace? Why did Japan want so much war? They literally murdered all their politicians who wanted peace yet America is the warmongering nation in your eyes? Hilarious delusion you have.
>>18756410Seems like the simple solution was for Japan not to fire. Why did they fire?
>>18756473Why did warmonger FDR monger for war?
>>18756471Still no response. Why was FDR a warmonger and playing international policeman?
>>18756478>>18756482>"Whattu do yu mean we canttu conqew the wowld?"
No response. Tyfyc
>>18756482>>18756478Can you not read my post? Standing up to aggressive regimes like Japan was a good thing. The world ar the time wanted peace and Japan was decisively working against peace by illigally invading nations surrounding them.Why is it wrong for America to take a stand against the aggressive warmongering of Japan? America saw their friend France getting kicked while it was down and they stepped in to help. America tried to negotiate and moderate but Japan wouldn't budge on anything. What right does Japan have to demmand America sell oil to them? What right does Japan have to unjustly demand land from France? What right did Japan have to illegally invade all of South East Asia with 0 justification? Because they wanted the land? Not a justified reason. And no don't lie and say they were "liberating" the colonies because they treated the newly liberated nations as their own colonies.
>>18756505>>18756482>>18756478Lmao absolutely seething waiting for an answer when the answer was already given>>18756471You have still yet to say why Japan was in the right for illigally invading French Indochina while I gave plenty of answers as to why America responded to Japans aggresive actions.
>>18755647>he still can't answer the questionAgain what right does Japan have to demmand French Indochina? I have given to you plenty of answers for your question yet you cannot answer mine. Curious no?
>>18756410Were the Soviets agitating for war when they sent a volunteer corps to China and fought full-scale battles with Japan in 1938 and 1939? >>18756444Did you know that Nomura, Kurusu and Roosevelt were negotiating the terms of this supposed "ultimatum" the day after it was proposed? Or have you read nothing about this topic like that other anon?
>>18756912>Were the Soviets agitating for warMaybe, maybe not, but not the discussion here, which is FDR's warmongering.
>>18756830Nope, still unresponsive. FDR's warmongering goes unexplained, then.
>>18756825>Standing up to aggressive regimesInternational policing by a warmongerer, which the people didn't want, and the Constitution doesn't allow.
>>18756948>>18756953So....Japan is just allowed to illegally invaded French Indochina just because?
>>18756953>and the Constitution doesn't allow.Where does the Constitution not allow embargos against hostile regimes?
>>18756948>Nope, still unresponsiveLearn to read. You closing your eyes and saying "nu uh" isn't an argument. It isn't against the constitution to stand up to hostile regimes btw. America was defending itself and its allies from Japanese aggressive stances. Why should Japan be allowed to commit unjust aggressive wars?
>>18756965Where did I say it did?
>>18756963So, FDR can be a warmonger and international policeman just because he wants to?
>>18756968>isn't against the constitution to stand upNot if a warmonger decides to do it on his own.
>>18756969>>18756971>>18756977Cool non arguments. You have still yet to answer why Japan gets to steal land that isn't rightfully theirs or even in their sphere
>>18756971Be specific on how FDR is a warmongering person when they were declared war on and was sneak attacked.
>>18756983Non responsive. Tyfyc.
>>18756986>how FDR is a warmongering personSee above, lad.
>>18757003>>18757005>he still can't answer the basic questionPathetic. Japan deserved to be stopped
>>18756942The topic is how Japan was an aggressor yet you keep denying it without evidence
>>18757005So none whatsoever. FDR is a warmonger for responding to Japans warmongering? Maybe Japan shouldn't have been warmongering since the early 30s then
>>18750555>Japanese expansionism and their hunger for resourcesno such thing, Japan was following the status quo set by Britain and the United States.How can someone call the British invasions and Colonization of China anything but expansionism?How can someone call the American invasion and occupation the Philippines anything but naked conquest and expansionism?Britain and The United States began losing poker chips to Japan then declared Poker illegal and Bridge was the only acceptable game.how is this not blatant aggression against Asia by the West?
>>18753378>>You won't sell me your stuff??! I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!!!!!!America unironically for the past 8 months.
>>18753379>Aggressive is when you stop selling stuffYes, a sanctions regime is an act of war according to the United States, who was at the time the enforcer of the sanctions regime.
>>18757477Which is a topic for /pol/
>>18757474If you knew anything about colonial history, you would know that nobody hated and opposed colonial powers more than other colonial powers. By joining the game, you incite the opposition of everyone else involved in it. You can't join the colonial game then cry about how the other powers are being mean, hostile, and/or obstructive to you, as that's part of the game.
i dont care whether we were morally or politically correct or not for embargoing the japsi just hate em, simple as
>>18754900>try to consolidate their position firstThis isnt possible against Democracies who turn every war into a total war where unconditional surrender is the sole option.America and Britain have never ever fought a war, since the abolition of their kingship for Britain and the abolition of the first republic for America, which saw a settled peace without a total capitulation of one side or the other.
>>1875748855 days in Peking proves you wrong lmfao.
>>18757518Yes, empires cooperating for once to protect their embassies and rape China totally erases all the history of conflict and obstruction between them before and after this occasion.
>>18750555The weaboos will seethe that Japan lost a war that they started but I think it was a good thing for Japan that they were put under American boot.Before ww2 , Japanese government, society, moral code, etc were like China or North Korea today: strict, authoritarian, people are poor and miserable - so miserable that they were willing to emmigrate to be plantation slaves in South America, but are fanatical nationalists, social mobility was low - the Samurai and merchant class controls everything, industries are strong, technology level is all copying not innovating, didnt produce or export much soft power like entertainment or culture.The US occupation and reform of their government, legal system and economy enable to them to be less miserable and focus that autism on productive endeavors. An interesting example is how ordinary Japanese change their views about their government: In Meiji japan, they thought they were supposed to serve the state but after American occupation they started to think that the state is supposed to serve them. Do you know the Japanese term for "civil servant" used to be "Kanri" (官吏) - meaning "Emperor's representative/offcials" and that was changed after WW2 to be "Kōmuin" (公務員) - meaning "Public service worker". A reflection in the change of mentality that the state should be accountable to its people that Americans brought.
>>18750555Putting foreword conclusions that are forgone… this to me is only possible if some total war Clausewitz thing has already been entered and definite war aims declared but that does not seem to me what happened during the thirties and I would that Nippon did not have definite war aims that would have clearly ended at victory for Nippon war aims but the timetable gets determined by when aircraft carriers will be completed rather than decisions made from above that are consistent with achieving war aims and not to credit Clausewitz either either as a strategist to be listened to either because I’m not sure Clausewitz is the way to win conflict except through some abstract exemption clause where the total war aims are important just as aims but that was what Nippon didn’t have either and if Nippon did would Nippon would have won I am not sure but I feel like industrial timetables drove decision making for the conflict as anything and I think that is the mechanical sort of thinking that often leads to war strife and conflict and differance and agon
>>18757523>>18757518Beijing was a Manchu majority city in 1900.Eight Nation Alliance didn't occupy shit outside of Hebei, 90% of China was unaffected.
>>18757474The US and UK are the ones that built Japan's modern military in the Mieji restorationChina defeated and crushed Japan in every war before the Meiji restoration.At the battles of Baekgang and Noryang, outnumbered Chinese fleets massacred numerically superior Japanese.Japan was a massive sex tourist destination for Chinese men and openly exported Japanese women to China (karayuki-san)Britain built Japan's modern Meiji fleet against China and RussiaBritain built Japan's aircraft carriers and air corps in the Sempill missionAmerican army officers served in Japan's Hokkaido colonisation office against native Ainu and American officers led the Japanese expedition to Taiwan in 1874 against Paiwan AboriginalsAmerican Jews like Jacob Schiff gave Japan emergency loans against Russia in 1904-1905 and Schiff told Theodore Roosevelt to give the Russian held Dalian concession in Manchuria to Japan in the Treaty of PortsmouthJapan used human wave attacks against numerically inferior Chinese and Russians at Beicang, Nanshan and the land battle of Port Arthur and Japanes suffered more deaths and were slaughteredOnly the American Jew loans and British built navy saved Japan.America signed the Taft Katsuura agreement with Japan in 1905, agreeing for Japan to take over Korea as a Protectorate while Japan would recognise and help American rule in the PhilippinesJapanese settlers came to Mindanao in the Philippines to help US against native Moro Muslims and Lumads in the 1920s.America was allied with Japan against China in the Boxer rebellion in 1900.America embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940America didn't send a single cent of aid to China before Japan invaded French IndochinaAmerica actively helped Japan seize more land and soldmost of their war supplies before 1940Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu worked on the atomic bomb in the Manhattan project
>>18757474>>18757927the US did everything it could to HELP Japan before Japan initiated the conflict with the US.US military officers helped build Meiji Japan's military, American officers served in Meiji Japan's Hokkaido colonisation office against Ainu and led the Japanese expedition against Paiwan Aboriginals in Taiwan in 1874.America sided with Japan in the Boxer rebellion.America signed the Taft Katsuura agreement with japan, supporting Japan taking over Korea as a protectorate in 1905, after America supported Japan in the Russo-Japanese war, with American German Jewish banker Jacob Schiff saving Japan with emergency loans and lobbying Theodore Roosevelt to support Japan in the treaty of Portsmouth like US did at the Treaty of Shimonoseki in the First Sino Japanese war.Japam exported Japanese teenage girl prostitutes (karayuki-san) to raise money for this.
>>18757480>sanctions are an act of warThey aren't. But keep lying
>>18757326>Japan deserved to be stoppedYou mean, a warmongering international policeman decided to monger for war.
>>18757341No, the topic is FDR's thirst for war.
>>18757353Maybe warmongering FDR should have obeyed the Constitution, rather than obeying his zealotous drive to be international policeman.
>>18757474Yes, if your hands are dripping with blood, you can't really accuse the other guy of same.
>>18757927>1940>America didn't send a single cent of aid to China before Japan invaded French IndochinaThis a lie, obviously. How many other lies in your scattered anecdotes?
>>18757969US didn't send any aid. China paid full price for anything bought from US companies.Show me a single free donation from the US before 1940 to China.
>>18757955>>18757956>>18757959You can squirm and cry all you want. If Japan never started illigal wars America would never have done anything to Japan
>>18750642Japan wanted a backdoor to British India and nearly got there through British Burma
>>18750850FDR had close ties to China. He gave a huge loan to Chiang Kai-shek in 1938 believing Chiang would keep Japan in check. There was also popular American support for everything China at the time and support a must. Christian churches in the US an effective propaganda machine. They likened Chinese resistance to the Japanese with the American revolution fight against England.
>>18752782>just like the nazis i mean if ur the ubermensch how dare other nations disobey youNazis didn't pull that out of their ass. Germans had that itch since the Franco-German War 1870 and the French pretended they didn't lose.
>>18757474>the nip cries out in pain as he strikes you
>>18758141If FDR hadn't mongered for war, there would have been no war.
>>18758057>China paid full priceSource?
>>18758775Japan is the first mover in the scenario. If Japan never originally started a war in China they would never have needed to invade the American sphere and cause a bigger war. Why did Japan start all these wars and unjustly invaded all their neighbors? They could of easily just consolidated their territory in 1936 but they chose to murder all their own politicians and empower militarists. Another fact yoy cannot deny.
>>18758800>Why did Japan start all these wars and unjustly invadedBecause they watched the others do the same thing?In any event, FDR decided he was now an international policeman, and mongered up a war with them.
>>18750555it should probably be noted that imperial japan had a notorious rivalry between the army and navy which extended into politics. like, so bad they wouldn't even share intelligence with each other, and this is a consequence of the choshu/satsuma rivalry following the meiji restoration. a unified command would have chosen either china or the pacific. since japan was really being run by the junta as a nominal monarchy it inevitably tried to do both
>>18758877So you admit Japan is a warmongering militaristic nation
>>18758278Loans aren't aid. China paid for loans in Tung oil.Also Japan was sending Japanese spies to incite Black nationalists like NOI saying Japan would help Blacks rape all white people, way before the embargo
