if jesus teached us forgiveness, why can't the western world forgive jews for killing jesus?
>>18750690>if jesus teached us forgiveness, why can't the western world forgive jews for killing jesus?>the western worldJesus doesn't represent the western world. He was a Jewish prophet born in Judea, the middle-east. Christianity inherited a apocalyptic Jewish messianism from Jesus, a Pauline crucifixion theology from "Saint Paul", and a set of ethical teachings about charity and repentance. Those aren't 'western values' those are Palestinian desert cult traditions.What Christianity did not inherit from its Palestinian origins was a contemplative metaphysics, one of THE defining traits to real Western Philosophy such as Platonism for example.The "jews killed Jesus" talking point is stupid. Jesus was a Jew. Jews taught goyim how to worship Jewish culture through Christianity.
>>18750690I don't really care about Abrahamism as a westerner, so you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a pagan.
>>18750690>teached
>>18750690ignoring >>18750709's faggotrythe answer is simply because what the jews did represents a culture and mentality that is unacceptable to western values, and it is one that they refuse to change.they are culturally and theologically race-supremacists who insist they alone are fit to rule humanity, and their worst will happily steal from, torture, and murder anyone that gets in the way of that, while the rest protect them.That is why they were nearly genocided by the Romans, and that incident left a stain on them that persisted across the following 1500+ years.
>>18750713No you aren't.Pagans are just LARPers who have a tiny fragment of a long dead barbaric religion.In truth they are just following Christian values while swapping out a few tiny bits here and there with what little survived the ancient Christian purges of that long dead culture.
There are some sins that can't be forgiven
>>18750720Hadrian did literally nothing wrong
>>18750728I would even argue that Hadrian was simply the hand of God reaching out to deliver Karma for their arrogance.The same way their own holy words (Old Testament in Christian teachings) detail him doing again, and again, and again.
>>18750713>I'm a pagani am going to assume everyone who self-identifies as a "pagan" is just a postmodern larper
>>18750737they HAVE to be."Pagan" is just a christian word for "heretics that worshiped multiple false gods" since almost every religion was polytheistic."Pagan" can mean anything from egyptian, to greek/early roman, to germanic or norse gods.By merely choosing that name to describe themselves, they label their "religion" as bullshit.
>>18750731According to AI, Chadrian baited the demonic freaks into "rebelling" so he could crush them harder and cleanse the province thoroughly. He had got enough information on their doings from the rebellion Quietus put down in Trajan's time and from the frumentarii and other Roman agents operating around the clock everywhere in Ivdaea. Bar Cockba was basically a puppet and the strings were being pulled from Rome. He didn't know it obviously, but ehat happened before and after the rebellion makes it all clear. The Aelia Capitolina, the rapid deployment of multiple legions (literally half the Roman army) the order to spare no men and to sell all women and children, the almost 600 thousand jews killed in combat operations alone, the dozens of towns and villages razed, the ban on all remaining jews from ever entering Palestina. Ironically, the retards honor the greatest butcher of their race every day by praying at a stable wall built in his time.
>>18750744you need to check sources on that.depending on how you word it, you will get a different story that the jewish were mad about his "anti-semetic" laws.my take is that he basically was just doing the same shit Romans did to literally EVERY other culture they conquered, and trying to Romanize jews into functional members of society.
>>18750741the worse thing about "paganism" is that you cannot follow a long dead religion. the faith must be reconstructed from an arqueological perspective and is tainted by the model of faith that christianity has prescripted to the western world. even if they hate christianity, neo-pagan worship is a protestant outlook on arqueological records. we don't know how pagans truly lived their faith day to day, we only know their cultural behaviour, and john from denver isn't going to know any better than filter paganism though protestant lens
>>18750690You first have to ask for forgiveness to be absolved of sin.
>>18750720>because what the jews did represents a culture and mentality that is unacceptable to western values, and it is one that they refuse to changeThat's why Jews invented Christianity, anon. Re-branding of their culture and mentality so that it could be programmed into goyim. Most Jews opposed it but plenty of Jews supported Christianity and followed Jesus. They modeled the act of following their Jewish prophet to be appealing to goyim, after Jesus died, by writing scripture in Greek while using Greco-Roman alt-names. >they are culturally and theologically race-supremacists who insist they alone are fit to rule humanityJust like modern Christians.
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>>18750820>>18750818>>18750690Jews are not the chosen ones, are not the covenant people, and there is no salvation from hell outside of Christ. Dispensationalism is a heresy invented by jews in the 1830s.
>>18750750I did. It was a long process of going back and forth. The government response made logical sense, the timing of the rebellion did not. That's where I got suspicious and started asking whether bar kokhba and his deranged followers may have been baited to rebel at a place and time chosen by Hadrian
>>18750818>>18750820Yeah no, you are retarded.Christianity means Jews aren't gods special little boys and they are no longer allowed to scam and hate people for not being Jewish like them.>>18750889Interesting and would not be the first such case of funny timing lol.Did you factor in the long history of Romans fucking with Jews before that?Various emperors liked to fuck with them because they kept insisting they were the chosen people who were above everyone else.
>>18750893I did factor that in yeah. It is an important question and maybe too deep to get into here, but you are definitely on the right track if you want to dig more into it. Specifically I focused more on the Quietus War and the Titus Expedition as both related directly do Bar Kokhba. Both rebellions were widely known among the Roman administration and Hadrian had worked with people who had direct experience of the Quietus War. I cross-referenced the primary sources with what is known of how the Roman administration functioned and how information on what was hapoening in Ivdaea was faithfully realyed to Rome. The jews went to great pains to maintain full secrecy but the Romans detected a lot of it and let it unfold in order to catch as many malcontents as possible and go for the final solution, which is what happened in reality.
>>18750902This seems to slightly change what I originally thought you said.So the jews were already planning to go full hitler, and the romans were just smart enough to see the excuse to let them go ahead and massacre people so THEY could in turn wipe them out and finally not have to deal with their fuckery.That is VERY similar to what the jews seemed to do very recently with letting that palestine hamas attack through so they could start literally bulldozing palestinians.History rhyming?
>>18750907Yeah the "jews" (no relation to those who perished in Hadrian's time) may have taken a page out of Hadrian's book. As for what happened between 132-135 AD, it looks like he went ahead with his plan unconcerned of the consequences because he had already factored in those consequences. The circumcision ban, the city name change, the temple, all meant to widen the net and catch all those who wanted revenge for what Quietus and Titus did. He knew he had up to 12 legions to summon without weakening the limes significantly, and unlike in the previous two rebellions the jews could expect 0 outside help, either directly or indirectly. It was Rome's Final Solution, and Hadrian was fated to carry it out.
>>18750929can you elaborate on the ones that took over under the guise of being "distantly related" or escaped?I figured they were just people on the fringe who already were living abroad, and that a cultural shift to be more secretive happened as a result of hadrians purge
>>18750934It was more of a genocide than a purge. The province had already been depopulated by Titus' war that claimed 500 thousand Ivdaeans (the Romans only counted the men). Women and children were sold off as slaves but about half still wemained, they could not be reinforced by their compatriots abroad though as the latter jumped the gun and rebelled right under Trajan's nose in Cyprus and Mesopotamia. This was the Quietus War (the jews say Kitos) named after the general that put down the rebellion. This cost about 300 thousand lives and virtually wiped out most Ivdaean colonies outside the Levant. Hadrian's War claimed another 580 thousand in Ivdaea (again just the men were counted) as well as virtual total destruction of every Ivdaean town/village. Those who "escaped" were those who were allowed to live because they were not involved with the rebellion and not supportive of it. Most of them were Galileans as well as Mesopotamian jews who were outside of Hadrian's purview. The latter wrote the talmud 3 centuries after Bar Kokhba
>>18750957to me the two terms are interchangeable.genocide was merely the technical term invented after it had been done enough times.Anyways.So they had already been forced to deal with prior rebellions under Trajan.So many other cultures had also existed that were well within Romes borders.I know the fringe area with the germanics during the late roman era were NOT assimilating well, but when it came to stuff deep inside Rome...Were the Jews a sort of outlier that more deeply resisted assimilation?They didnt SEEM to be like many of the fringe areas that sometimes had problem people oscillating between staying under romes thumb or acting out.I always figured that Romans played the long game and trusted that as long as their money and religion were at the front, people would slowly change.And then I thought that if they wanted a more immediate change, they would kill the men of a people and try raising the children under Roman standards to accelerate things.
>>18750838thats not what i asked
>>18750975It was the first rebellion that broke them as a nation in a visible way. A Christian would say it's the Resurrection 40 years prior, and I am a Christian but I wom't give you the religious point of view first because I don't want to frame it that way and disregard secular history. For the same reason I won't say that in the very talmud it is stated that God did not accept sacrifices in the Temple for 40 years before its destruction. Although this was written in an anti-Christian book and ironically strengthens the Christian interpretation instead of disproving it, it was written 400 years after the fact. So back to the visible destruction. 70 AD sealed the deal for Temple Judaism but it left the growing Christian communities in the Levant and elsewhere unaffected. It even galvanized and energized them further as it was a clear sign of a fulfilled NT prophecy right in front of their eyes with Jesus' Words still in living memory among many of those present. The split within the old Jvdaean society was irreversible and accelerating daily. Further, Christians used the LXX, the very book the pharisaic rabbis considered the most holy, to disprove pharisaism and prove Christianity. The Hellenistic Ivdaeans who still stuck to their old ways had no response to this. The LXX being written in Koine Greek like the NT further compounded the problem as Christians were operating within their language in a world they knew very well. The next two rebellions were as much chimpouts against Christian Ivdaeans as they were rebellion against Rome, maybe even more so. The fact that Jvdaean fanatics went after Christians first corroborates this. They weren't jjst soft targets, they were the enemy as Bar Kokhba proved it by genociding the Nazarenes and other Jvdaean Christian churches in the Levant. After Bar Kokhba the rabbis no longer used the LXX but switched to the masoretic that they changed just enough to make ot not prophesize of JesusThe Dead Sea Scrolls prove the LXX
>>18751000nice tripsmakes sense it would be a chimpout against christians.christianity was growing without stopping no matter what they or rome brought against it.Otherwise Constantine the Great would not have arranged the events that saw him take Rome as he did and pull his speech about the Christian God actually being behind Sol Invictus.Christianity is more interesting when you look beyond the religious view to the history going on behind it.The two are intertwined as one derived from the other.
>>18751011That's a related topic, but much much deeper, and once again you are making the right connections. Christianity, and the Trinity, have their precursor not among ancient Jews but among ancient Greeks, Romans, Celts, Germans, Thracians etc. All paleo-European peoples had concepts similar to God the Father, starting with Dyeus, and continuing with Zeus, Iovis, Teiwaz etc. Moreover, they had the concept of the Divine Son (Sol, Helios, etc.) as a manifestation of the Father. Not necessarily always, as literate cultures often changed the mythos, but pre-literate tribals like Aurelian's people likely held onto the old beliefs regarding Sol Invictus and his imprtance as a manifestation of Dyeus Ph2tr. The Holy Spirit is also present in several Aryan cultures as a separate Force of God or Pneuma
>>18750838>Dispensationalism is a heresy invented by jews in the 1830s.Based and Gospel-pilled
>>18751020No I mean Constantine won a battle, he and his troops claimed to see a symbol in the sky, and then he claimed to have a dream where Sol Invictus came to him and said "I am actually the christian god"After that, he marches on Rome.The tetrarchy emperor sitting in rome, who had been causing all sorts of issues, mysteriously hears from a soothsayer that "the enemy of rome will die now"He took that to mean Constantine, and for the first time actually decided to march troops out to fight, where before when confronted over his behavior by armies he would hide in a siege.Constantine shows up with the Chi-Ro painted on his troops shields as "Christos," and massacres the army of Rome. The emperor dies in that battle, and Constantine becomes the Emperor of two parts of the Roman Tetrarchy.He then attributes all of this to the Christian God and explains the dream and the symbol in the sky (which he painted on his shield)his men (obviously) swear up and down that its true.I am talking about that bad summary of events.
>>18751026Constantine was no true believer before or after the Milvian Bridge. His soldiers were either Christian or Sol worshippers. Sol had alread been equated with Christ during and after Aurelian's time. So Constantine just went with the most fashionable trend which happened to be Christ with Sol attributes. Nobody much cared that most of the army was worshipping Christ as Sol's manifestation. The imperial authorities may have even sponsored the merge although it seems to have happened from the ground up. The halos we see in Christian iconography everywhere
>>18751056I know.Its transparent he was trying to prevent a larger civil war, and he succeeded magnificently.Perhaps he did believe on his deathbed though.That was when he officially converted.The authorities sponsored the merge in multiple ways.He sponsored the council of Nicea and helped fund the development of the official printings of the first collected sacred works as a single Bible.
>>18750893>Christianity means Jews aren't gods special little boys and they are no longer allowed to scam and hate people for not being Jewish like themNo not at all. It just means Christians are Jews2.0Jesus said he was bringing salvation for Jews through Christianity, not for goyim larping as spiritually Jewish through Christianity. Read the bible sometime, dimwit. Jesus told people he was gods MOST special little chosen Jew, not that "Jews aren't gods chosen". .The whole point of his repentance philosophy, which he exclusively preached to Jews only, was to convince Jews they could regain gods favor by converting to Christianity. >>18750838>Jews are not the chosen ones, are not the covenant people, and there is no salvation from hell outside of ChristOkay and if they convert to Christianity then what? You'll still be a goyim and they'll still see you as inferior, even within the religion you all share.
>>18751088Lying like this doesnt help you.
>>18751089Low effort shitposts like this don''t convince anyone. Demonstrate the lie, little buddy
>>18751091if low effort shitposts dont convince anyone, why do you DO them, hmmm?why do I need to do a song and dance for a worthless shitposter?>checks imageOHHHHH I see.you are a Pagan LARPER assmad that your LARP got called out here >>18750723I got it now :)Sorry bro but you are still just practicing christianity with random fragments sprinkled on top.
>doesn't address that Jesus is a Jew>doesn't address that Jesus preached exclusively to Jewish people>pretends to be obtuse about the word "Jew" and its historical meaning>avoids all facts to triples down on shitposting Typical Christian. Trying so hard to be spiritually Jewish while denying the obvious to anyone paying attention.
>Sorry bro but you are still just practicing christianity with random fragments sprinkled on top.Platonism was a flourishing philosophy with its own metaphysics and native mysticism, in development hundreds of years before the invention of Christianity. I'm a follower of that, not of biblical propaganda. Christianity copied Platonism, not the other way around. Plato couldn't copy from a religion that wasn't even invented during his lifetime lol.
>calls poster a liar>confronted about it he can't actually demonstrate a lie anywhere>decides to say "you're just mad" insteadNot beating the spiritually Jewish allegations, I'm afraid. When every accusation is a confession...
