https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(26)01199-2In a nutshell>North African ancestry in Spain and Portugal can be traced back to the Roman empire rather than the Islamic conquest>Late antiquity to late medieval period Iberians had significantly more north African admixture than they do today>Islamic Iberians don't seem to differ genetically from those that lived there during the Roman and Visigoth period>Modern Iberians are genetically much more homogenous than their forefathers were due to the policies of resettlement during the Reconquista>Although more anecdotical, the Goths, Vandals, Suebians, Alans and such didn't leave a significant trace in Iberiatldr nafri ancestry in Iberia is due to north african slaves being imported during the roman era
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>>18751370anti iberian spammer obsessed with calling iberians moorish rapebabies btfomoorish ancestry in iberia was just the result of worthless effeminate migrants just like it is today, not mighty conquerors
>>18751370total iberian victory
is this actually new? we already knew most of this stuff
>>18751370also interesting, it seems like the east med ancestry in iberia is too much compared to the italic ancestry, so it can't be just from italy, a majority of it was directly from anatolia
>>18751370In one of the most unexpected plot twists to ever happen, turns out that Spain actually got bleached
>>18751563We did but it get confirmed yet again.
>>18751563No, just last year there was another study from Portugal that reached similar conclusions, the problem is it's impossible to seriously discuss these topics on /his/ or 4chan in general
>>18751622The problem is that you have too many people whose entire national identities and sense of pride (Moroccans, Latinx, Italians and a good chunk of the third world in general as well as many nordicists and a rather large subset of French nationalists and people with a cuckold fetish in general which tend to be over representated among the groups mentioned above) revolve around the concept of Iberians being half moor whose ancestors were raped to extinction by Nafris. The fact that north african ancestry in Iberia is minimal, that Islamic Spain was genetically largely european and that north african ancestry in Spain tend to be more female mediated than the other way around is a disaster for these people.
>>18751570The Roman empire was a biological disaster for southern europe
The Vandals and the Visgoths were a mistake.
>>18751570Real Romans cremated their dead between 300 BC and 300 AD. These studies are simply testing a bunch of slaves and happy merchants from the ports and latifunda. East Med ancestry in Iberia is clealy Italian mediated. The Balkans are right next Greece so they got it directly from the source.
Africa really does begin at the Pyrenees
>>18751370This study actually just proves got raped twice by nafris (roman nafris and moors), iberians are retarded rapebabies that are unable to understand that a study about roman era admixture does not prove that additional north african admixture wasn't introduced during Al-AndalusYou are a double-raped nafri rapebaby btw
>>18751705>t.
>>18751701>>18751705Are you so retarded that you can't even read your own AIslop brown buffon?
>>18751910lmao, where's your reading comprehension?
>>18751370>>18751556>>18751560>>18751705you do realize that independant berbers living in roman era north africa would often raid iberia, right? Those are not peaceful migrationsthe 40 BCE Mauretanian intervention in Iberia, all the Antonine Incursions (160s–170s CE) where berbers ravaged iberia for a good decade (171-179), as well as many other raids (212-305)Rome had ~5% of Morocco under control, the rest was savage berber tribes that acted the same way german did
>>18751944>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic period>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic period>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic periodYou lost.>>18751986And so the cope begin. Saaaar we wuz conquerors n shieeet we wuz totally not slaves saaaar
>>18751991lol, you can't read dude.
>>18751991>>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic periodat least >500,000 berbers/arabs went into iberia in 712-1200 >Saaaar we wuz conquerors n shieeet we wuz totally not slaves saaaarthe berber raids during the roman era did enslave the iberianswho got enslaved during the carthagian era, and the islamic era3-0 morocco - spain
>>18751986>>18751999Posted from a crumbling banlieue, btw.
>>18752004>1,165,955 (2025)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccans_in_Spaintotal moorish victory
>>18751991>>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic periodlmao, that's not what it says. Do you have ADHD?
>>18752011Most of them immigrated to work as literal African farm equipment and construction workers, btw.
>>18752018Selling drugs, getting welfare and raping spanish pussy you mean
>t.
Is this chinkspammer
>>18751997>>18752017Visibly coping>at least >500,000 berbers/arabs went into iberia in 712-1200The ones that came with the original conquest were all wiped out as soon as they chimped out (740-743). The others were fodders and slaves who were regularly lynched.>>18752011The great majority of them are basically slaves or prostitutes.
>>18752049>minor localized revolt against their berber overlords in 980s>Berbers take over iberia fully during the Hammudid as a responselmao @ muladi cucks
>>18751370North africa was white, until it became brown due to race mixing with Blacks. All who race mix with blacks are ultimately destroyed by the dark taint of hell-spawned demons.
>>18751999Thousands-0 Mediterranean-Morocco.
>>18751653>East Med ancestry in Iberia is clealy Italian mediated.study disagrees, it seems directly from anatolia and the north levant
>>18752059>North africa was whitenorth africa was not white, during the roman empire it became a bit whiter because of anatolian and levantine migrations
>>18752067>These patterns are consistent with those observed elsewhere in the Roman Empire, including the imperial core in Rome and central Italy8,9 and the Danubian region,11 all showing marked shifts toward Eastern Mediterranean ancestry. While Iberia similarly received this input, individuals typically carry it in admixed form, in contrast to the fully Eastern Mediterranean-derived individuals observed in Italy and at the Danubian-Balkan frontier. This difference may partly reflect a gap in our transect for the Republican and early imperial periods (∼200 BCE–200 CE), when mobility may have peaked but cremation was common, limiting DNA recovery. As a result, our data cannot distinguish whether this ancestry reflects direct migration from the eastern provinces, movement via another region, especially the imperial core, or a combination of both. Further integration of mobility proxies, particularly mobility-related isotopes, could help clarify these scenarios.Inconclusive.
>>18751986>Those are not peaceful migrations99% are peaceful internal migrations from roman provinces in north africa>Rome had ~5% of Morocco under controlthe most populated portion of morocco+algeria+tunisia is more than enough to explain the northwest african ancestry in roman iberia
>norz africa was huwite gwer take a look at zees photoshopped blonde kids
>>18752069It started white, and became brown due to race mixing with black slaves brought north from below the Saharan Desert.
>>18752070quit coping, the whore paragraph is about the presence of east mediterranean ancestry being too much compared to the italic ancestry, it can't be explained with italy_imperial samples alone, they have additional east med ancestry directly from anatolia
>>18752067They lack samples because the Romans cremated their dead. There are other studies which confirmed that the East Med component in Iberia is Italian mediated.>Our study is an example of how dense regional sampling can elucidate both general and fine-scale demographic processes within a focused period. However, a major drawback is the lack of dense sampling for the IA and Roman Republican periods, largely due to cremation as the dominant burial practice. The ancient DNA record is also sparse in vital regions such as northern Iberia and North Africa
>>18752055very nice, now let's look at the dozens of times the caliphate of cordoba intervened in north africa and occupied the capital of morocco
>>18751910>>18751991>>18752049Holy shit you're genuinely a retarded fucking spicniardIberberians are fucking illiterate
>>18752075no, it started very brown (pic rel is an iron age berber), than it became brown but less brown during the roman empire due to anatolian migrants that basically migrated to the entire mediterranean basin
>>18752080>muh cherry picked slave bonesFuck off demon
>>18752077>They lack samples because the Romans cremated their dead. this is the stupidest cope ever, quit repeating it> There are other studies which confirmed that the East Med component in Iberia is Italian mediated.yes there are other, older obsolete studies, thankfully this updated study confirms that it's east med ancestry from anatolia
>>18752079Also here's some more of the answer I got in >>18751705Iberians genuinely don't know how to read LOL retarded animals
>>18752079>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic periodYou lost.
>>18752076You should contact Carrión, Olalde and Reich to see if you can convince them to retract their paper and correct it.
>>18752082>muh cherry picked slave bonesnot cherrypicked, a perfectly representative ancient berber tribal, perfectly in line with 3000-2000 bce north african derived samples, clearly the ancestor of picrelnorthwest africa started as extremely brown
>>18752083Outdated my ass, that study is like three years old. Still better than your "opinions" which contradict this trash study with a very limited set of samples.
>>18752049Why aren't you able to read an entire sentence?
>>18752091the paper agrees with me, hence why there's a whole section explaining why italy_imperial is not enough to explain the east med ancestry in roman era iberia
>>18752090Learn to read subhuman moor rapebaby
>>18752094>Outdated my ass, that study is like three years old.it's from 2021 so from 5 years ago and thanks to this study it became outdated>Still better than your "opinions" which contradict this trash study with a very limited set of samples.this study has hundreds of samples, and is in fact the study the released the most ancient iberians to this date, it's made by harvad with the participation of reich himself
>>18752097Can you post it?
>>18752084OP already adressed this, the medieval was characterized by a decrease, not an increase of north african ancestry. Just read the paper bro and stop reading chat yipiti.>Late antiquity to late medieval period Iberians had significantly more north African admixture than they do today>Modern Iberians are genetically much more homogenous than their forefathers were due to the policies of resettlement during the Reconquista>>18752091>Disproportionate Eastern Mediterranean ancestry relative to Italic ancestryIdk how you're supposed to interpret it.>>18752077This pic is extremely outdated and vastly overestimate Roman ancestry among Iberians.
>replying to projecting nafrigroidsishygddt
>>18752093The web site you post screenshots from is garbage and unreputable.
>>18752084>>18752096>>18752101>no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic periodYou fucking lost bro. You can't even read your own shit. No wonder nafris have a 68 iq on average.
>>18751370>Le East Med>Le Levantine>Le AnatolianUtter trash. Pure Anatolians were no different from non Slav raped Greeks. Roman era Anatolians were heavily admixed with Greeks.Target: Turkey_Roman_5Distance: 1.5687% / 0.0156872345.2 Greece_BA_Mycenaean31.2 Turkey_MBA23.6 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBATarget: Turkey_Roman_4Distance: 2.5987% / 0.0259873047.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean26.2 Turkey_EBA18.4 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA7.6 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBATarget: Turkey_Roman_2Distance: 3.5489% / 0.0354889246.0 Greece_BA_Mycenaean26.4 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBA21.4 Turkey_MBA6.2 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBATarget: Turkey_Roman_1Distance: 19.2074% / 0.1920737176.0 Greece_BA_Mycenaean24.0 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBATarget: Turkey_EarlyByzantine_2Distance: 2.0882% / 0.0208822345.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean42.0 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA12.2 Turkey_EBATarget: Turkey_EarlyByzantine_1Distance: 5.5489% / 0.0554888474.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean25.2 Turkey_MBATarget: Turkey_ByzantineDistance: 2.7953% / 0.0279525448.2 Greece_BA_Mycenaean40.6 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA11.2 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBA
>>18752106yes>However, among the 269 newly reported and previously published individuals from Roman and late antique Iberia with sufficient aDNA preservation for genome-wide analysis, only eight show clear genetic ancestry from the Italian Peninsula or the central Mediterranean region out of all the roman and late antiquity samples released up to this point, only 8 have partial ancestry from italy, the others have east med ancestry directly from anatolia
>>18752113guess what? those samples come from studies where you can see their PCA position, see the Algeria IA? the sample plots with the southernmost nafris like saharawisnorthwest africans started off as the brownest people in the world, you are brown, you are the brownest of browns, not just brown
>>18752108>the medieval was characterized by a decrease, not an increase of north african ancestryWrong, according to OP's study, the north african ancestry in pre-islamic samples was about 25%:>Where Christianity entered the Iberian Peninsula remains debated,6 with some scholars37 proposing its introduction via North Africa. We present genomic data from 31 individuals excavated at the Christian Basilica del Cortijo Coracho near Lucena (southeastern Iberia), dated between the 4th and 5th centuries CE. With one exception, all individuals with sufficient genomic data (n = 30) carried North African ancestry (ranging 6%–76%; average proportion: 25.0% ± 2.4%) (TableOther studies with samples from the Al-Andalus era prove that the north african admixture during the medieval era was around 50% (see pic related)>saaar but it decreased after reconquista o algoYet both pulses of north african admixture (roman era and Al-Andalus are detectable in modern iberians, the fact that it decreased doesn't mean you're not a double-raped, nonwhite nafri rapebaby, paco
>>18752115>he still can't read the sentenceThat's not even an entire sentence. Did you smoke so much crack that your attention span is fried and you can't even read a dependent clause in context?
>>18752130>Other studies with samples from the Al-Andalus era prove that the north african admixture during the medieval era was around 50% (see pic related)this study includes all those samples and many many more, there is no increase in NA ancestry in the islamic period
>>18752115Nigger you're fucking retardedIn the orignal text >>18751705 the phrase “no additional ancestry entered during the Islamic period” describes a claim that would need to be disproven or established, it's not a statement in and of itself, dumbass spajeeta first grader has better reading comprehension than you
>>18752108>>18752117Hmmmn, they modeled on qpAdm the Roman individual I26172 as fully "Italy_Sicily_Punic_Roman" as well as 2 post-Roman individuals as partially "Italy_Sicily_Punic_Roman", and the Roman individual I37213 as ~30% "Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan" as well 4 post-Roman samples as partially "Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan". I didn't notice the source used for the first model, thanks.
>>18752146>chatgptopinion discarded
>>18752147>Hmmmn, they modeled on qpAdm the Roman individual I26172 as fully "Italy_Sicily_Punic_Roman" as well as 2 post-Roman individuals as partially "Italy_Sicily_Punic_Roman", and the Roman individual I37213 as ~30% "Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan" as well 4 post-Roman samples as partially "Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan". I didn't notice the source used for the first model, thanks.go to the supplementary material 1, i'll make a table and post it here eventually, but 99% of the samples have west anatolian ancestry without the need of any italic ancestry, as the study points out, this rules out massive migrations from italy, as rome_imperial has italic ancestry
>>18752074They also use Sephardic Jews and Moriscos.
>>18752144No it doesn't you illiterate subhumanREAD the fucking first paragraph or the study's pic you retarded animal>We report genetic data from 243 ancient individuals dating to 100–800 CEI suggest learning to read even though it clearly hurts your brain
>>18752148Instead of making these shitty iberberian threads, may I suggest some literature for you?
>>18752157yes indeed, it shows no increase of NW african ancestry during the islamic periodand yes the study includes muslim era samples, if what you were implying is that it doesn't, look at the supplementary material
>>18752152They say this about them.
>>18752130You can't seriously think the average Al Andalus Iberian was 50% nafri, even outlier aren't close to that. It was 20-25% during the roman period and it remained that way after the muslim conquest.
>>18752175you did not post the conclusion just after, just stop coping, here is their qpadm model of all the samplesthey can be modeled with anatolian ancestry without the need of italic ancestry in 99% of the cases, they're straight from anatolia>>18752185>>18752130here are all the olalde2019 samples remodeled properly (olalde models are kinda shit because back than we didn't have proper IA nafri sources, so they used morocco_ln that inflated the north african component)they're around 25% north african genetically
Instance #343915391 of Rome being a universalist civilization that turned people brown and Feudal Europe being a Saracen killing machine.
>>18752119>we wuz kangsUnlikely, everywhere the dark hell-spawned demons hold dominion is a literal hell hole.
>>18752266northwest africans were brown, you were brown, i don't care about your unsubstantiated muttmerican christuck schizo bullshits about "le muh demons from hell", ancient berbers were saharawi-tier brown, begone
>>18752268>stupid jew schizo retcon of history
A major own-goal for the nationalists. The peoples of North Africa have always been part of Iberian history. We are brothers, not enemies. This connection has existed since the Neolithic era. Native North African ancestry—the Iberomaurusians—is our link. Take pride in your North African ancestry, Mediterranean brothers. This is what sets us apart from barbarians.
>>18751370Menajeets brutally raped by romans, macedonians, timurids, mongols, colonials, seljuks, and more yet make fun of spain
>>18752271how many times have you done this? every single time you claim north africans were not a bunch of saharawi-like africans you end up completely destroyed, obviously as you bring nothing to the table, you have no understanding of genetics, you are useless and you may as well not even commentno one cares about your crucified jew god and his jew prophecies btw
>>18752272We should show those Spaniards who go on about "racial purity" when they complain about muh illegal immigration the truthmigration is nothing new This whole "racial purity" nonsense in Iberia is just the ultimate form of coping. It’s not as if Italy were any different, either. I work as a bicycle courier in Valencia and sometimes face racism, but now I’m going to show these Spaniards this fascinating article that proves they were once *mestizos* just like us, lol! It turns out the Brazilians and Hispanic-Latin Americans were right all along. Spain has always been an artificial, multiracial, and multicultural concept. Racial mixing has always been a part of Spain honestly, after reading this study, I feel right at home, lol! i m from Algiers btw
>>18752282when the "moorish rapebaby" cope and the "roman rapebaby" cope and the "carthaginian rapebaby" cope are all destroyed by a single studyiberians won, you lost
>>1875227615% black nafris make fun of <10% arab spaniards jej
>>18752285Who mentioned sexual abuse? Why are you talking about sexual abuse? Are you under the impression that North Africans are obsessed with sexual abuse? The article showed that North African ancestry has always been a part of Spain—since the Roman period, and in fact, perhaps even since the Neolithic; they were never "pure." Furthermore, there is the Anatolian ancestry that you are ignoring. Explain those samples with E1b to me.
>>18752291Iberberian sissies are mindbroken by big moor cock
>>18752272Without quadroon north african ancestry (that isn't close to you at all, by the way), you would be smarter and better looking
>>18752175>>18752194What is this trash? They only have Sicilian Punics and Iron Ave Etruscans to represent geneflow from Italy. No Imperial or late antiquity Romans. You can throw this "study" into the trash bin.
>>18752272>>18752282Daily reminder that this "we wuz always nafri mongrels n shiet" cope constantly parroted by iberberians on /his/ nowadays is a product of them being irrefutably buckbroken by the undeniable moor rapebaby allegations, so instead of denying they're nonwhite mongrels, they're now claiming they wuz always mongrels n shiet lmao (but Al-Andalus still left absolutely zero genetic admixture o algo !!!!!)
>>18752318>What is this trash? They only have Sicilian Punics and Iron Ave Etruscans to represent geneflow from Italy. No Imperial or late antiquity Romans. You can throw this "study" into the trash bin.oh god shut the fuck up you retarded negroidfirst off, the punic/roman era sicilian is identical to the late antiquity italian as they say in the supplementary materialsecond, if they don't have IA italic ancestry and they can be modeled with just west anatolian ancestry it means they don't have imperial italian ancestryjust stop coping, i know it's always you, just trying different copes to see if there's one cope that works
>>18752323cope, moorish ancestry is from roman migrants not conquerors, stop posting outdated memes
>>18752116Mainland greeks were different,Classical era emporia were often mycenaean like, the dorians and macedonians were more different stillSome cypriots plot with levantines
>>18752281Your retarded, jewish bullshit about blacks being kangs is self refuting because everywhere dark hell-spawned demons hold dominion is a literal hell hole.
>>18752323>>18752337>senor the nafri rape happened *before* the moorish conquest seeeennnnnooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>18752359That's what the study say, yes.
>>18752357no you are retarded, muttmerican christuck you can't even read a basic pca, literally negative IQ, they're not "black" they plot as if they were around a quarter african, stupid mongrel, learn to read a basic pca> dark hell-spawned demons hold dominion is a literal hell hole.>muh scary demons, muh scary lucifermore christcuck semite nonsense, and pre roman, pre punic northwest africa was a wasteland basically so what the fuck are you even talking about? they may as well have been black at this point, they were as technologically advanced as sub saharan africans
>>18752291It has always been a part of Spain but at the same time it was always fairly minor and it significantly reduced today from roman times
>>18752359correct, you're not a conqueror
>>18752368You are contaminated by the dark taint of hell spawned demons, an abomination which should not exist, a corrupting poison that can only destroy.
>>18752309>better lookingitalians and spaniards who are both mixed race brown europeans tend to be considered more attractive than purely white northern europeans
>>18752378>brown europeansThere is no such thing as a brown European. Brownness is the contamination of dark hell-spawned demons, a corruption, a poison that destroys civilization.
>>18751370The oldest known E-V13 is Iberian (not Balkan) 5000BCE.
>>18752375christcuck nonsense, jesus was a jewish rabbi, your ramblings about demons scare no onea couple of facts we've established and you didn't provide any counterargument for:- pre punic NW africa was a tribal wasteland no different from west africa- ancient berbers were turbonafris akin to modern saharawi
>>18752337>>18752367>>18752371There are multiple north african admixture pulses that have been identified in multiple studies and they all happened AFTER the roman era, so yeah, you're a triple raped moor mongrel juan
>>18752414>There are multiple north african admixture pulses that have been identified in multiple studies and they all happened AFTER the roman era, so yeah, you're a triple raped moor mongrel juanoutdated study based on modern pops, we have actual ancient samples, moor ancestry is from the roman era
>>18752399Your argument refutes itself because everywhere dark hell-spawned demons hold dominion is a literal hell hole.
>>18752345>the doriansthere's no dorian samples
>>18752424makes sense, pre punic northwest africa was a hellhole indeed, a tribal wasteland. see? even by your own logic you lose
>>18752429we do, the macedonian sample from the vergina tomb, it's similar to the myceneans but with more steppe
>>18752422>AAAYYEE CARAMBA SEENIAARR YOUR EL STUDY IS EL OUTDATED O ALGOAbstract concepts such as timelines are incomprehensible for the spicberian brain, iberberians descend from multiple waves of nafri admixture through differente eras including the Roman era AND Al-AndalusYou are brown.
>>18752424you worship a dark hell-spawned demon named jesus
>>18752414>holding out to outdated studiesIs this the best you can do
>>18752437>the macedoniannot dorian
>>18752438>Abstract concepts such as timelines are incomprehensible for the spicberian brain, iberberians descend from multiple waves of nafri admixture through differente eras including the Roman era AND Al-Andalusnope, this was explained already multiple times, the glotrotter predictions are extremely unreliable, actual samples confirmed that it's largely from the roman era
>>18752451dorians = macedonians
>>18752439>Jesus was contaminated by the dark taint of hell-spawned demonsSubversive jewish heresy
>>18752454nope, the only actual potential dorians are those samples from Sicily
>>18752465no anon, the macedonians are the purest descendants of the dorians
>>18752471k see you when more samples come out
>>18752452It's not "extremely unreliable", you arbitrarily claim that because you're ashamed of being a nonwhite moor rapebaby with nafri admixture
>>18752459the bible was written by dark hell-spawned demons who believed schizophrenic fairy tales because of their low iq
>>18751370>Modern Iberians are genetically much more homogenous than their forefathers were due to the policies of resettlement during the ReconquistaTerrible news for some. >>18751638>nordicistsEntire rambling run-on sentence post discarded. Thanks.
>>18752485Your nature is inescapable and your denials are meaningless.
>>18752482no they're unreliable, now we have ancient samples and don't need them anymore
>>18751638>Italiansstop lying
>>18752678No many italians hate spaniardsProbably from fucking their grandmas during the spanish rule of italy
>>18751370>NO AMIGO 700 YEARS OF ARABE RULE AND COMPLETE ASSIMILATION OF ELITEZ BUT ZERO MIXTURE AMIGO. MI BLANCO MI INVENT BLANCOHow about we talk about every civilizing progress of Iberia came along with Brown admixture
>>18752505you're a dark hell-spawned demon who believes in schizobabble from dark hell-spawned middle easterners
