Hitler should have just stopped at this stage desu and focused on internal development and economy.It was already perfect. Why annex frozen slavic shitholes that would take decades to pacify and develop?We would be fucking Japan on steroids if Hitler just decided to solidify National Socialism.
He genuinely hated Poland and successfully flattened Warsaw to the ground. Slovaks just joined them and he left them alone. But I agree he should have just stopped. A greater Prussian nation would have been really interesting to witness. Spain and Italy both cucked him in the end because of how useless they were (and still are) at federal management
>>18751824>Why annex frozen slavic shitholes that would take decades to pacify and develop?Because the economic boom that Nazi Germany experienced was fueled by military spending and stolen resources from other countries (Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland). Without constant military conflict the National Socialist government and German economy would have imploded and potentially led to a German civil war.>We would be fucking Japan on steroids if Hitler just decided to solidify National Socialism.Best case scenario you would be modern day Russia; an impoverished paper tiger pariah state with dogshit living standards outside of your largest cities.
If he were the Führer, Germany would be colonising Uranus by now
>>18751824If they had done that, Germany would collapse in a few years, the USSR would eventually invade and swallow up Europe without facing any meaningful resistance, and the entire continent goes to shit. Granted some of that eventually did end up happening anyway but at least the Nazis fought to try to prevent it rather than just passively let it happen.
>>18751858If Hitler hadn’t invaded the USSR then lend-lease would have never happened. If lend-lease never happened, the Soviets would’ve never been able to occupy half the continent (they couldn’t even 1v1 fucking Finland). If the Soviets had never occupied half of Europe, their economy would’ve collapsed decades earlier than it did.The USSR’s continued existence and long term occupation of Eastern Europe was a direct result of German autism.
>>18751824Empires always need to keep expanding or else they collapse. This is especially true in the modern era where the Anglo-Americans control all global trade and sea routes.
>>18751876>Anglo-Americans
>>18751824bruh internal development was impossible they had oil shortage by 1939, they had to invade for Baku oilfields
>>18751824He didn't want Germany to be reliant on trade with the US and that meant taking over all of Northern and Eastern Europe
>>18751870More like a direct result of FDR’s sympathy for communism.
>>18751881The British are the junior partner to America, rajesh
>>18751858ah yes, the same Soviet Union that advanced 30 miles in 4 months aganist 3m population Finland would suddenly swallow Europe/pol/trannies not sending their brightest again
>>18751885more like trandolf shitler sending USSR weapons and machines and conqeuring eastern europe together with stalin during 1939-1941
>>18751824Because his entire ideology was about making Germany a separate pole of power from the American-led Anglospheric world order. It was continental hegemony or nothing
>>18751888>the perfidious anglo strikes again
>>18751911Russia is actually America's closest ally. They have never been at war with one another and the cold war was a sham to divide the earth into spheres of influence
>>18751893Obviously the Red Army wasn’t in a good state in 1939 but that’s not a permanent issue. By 1944 and beyond the USSR would’ve been a different beast altogether.
>>18751893The war where Finland had to make enormous territorial concessions?
>>18751824>focused on internal development and economy.with what money?
>>18751899Yeah sure, because things totally stayed that way and they didn’t go to war with each other right?
>>18751917>enormous territorial concessionsI’m sure Stalin didn’t want to conquer the whole thing anyway, right?
>>18751915WW2 is what turned the Red Army around. Between lend-lease and Stalin being forced to pause his purges, the Nazi invasion of Russia is what MADE the Red Army. Without it, they would’ve continued their downward spiral into an African-tier militia force.
>>18751824At the time there were two rising orders in the world>The sea-power of North America and its client state, Great Britain>The various regional powers who want sovereignty from America (Germany, Italy, Hungary, Japan). These would become the Axis.How do you gain sovereignty from the North Americans? You expand rapidly, militarily, and create an zone of economic self-sufficiency. In Hitler's vision this mostly involved colonizing and displacing Slavic populations
>>18751942You’re overestimating America’s influence during the first half of the 21st century. England had a bigger army, bigger navy, bigger economy and more territory.
>>18751948*20th century
>>18751948England was reliant on imports from Canada, so it was still a North American client state
>>18751952Canada was still an English colony under direct control of the UK government. That’s why England could draft Canadian citizens.
>>18751915>By 1944 and beyond the USSR would’ve been a different beast altogether.And so German, French, even Polish
>>18751930but enough about the cold war
>>18751959You sure about that? The USSR had more natural resources than all of them combined.
>>18751955Not by the 1930s it wasn't
>>18751955America always held the trump card of blocking Canadian-UK trade, which would have destroyed England as a nation.As a whole the power dynamic in the Anglosphere has always favoured the Americans, then the Canadians, then the British
>>18751824Pyongyang Times: Japan is on steroidsSeoul: Pyongyang is smoking ditch weed from the provincesTokyo: Loose leaf green tea is not green teaGermany: This snitzschel is like shitChina: Man is born free but is everywhere in chainsItaly - Allora United States - South Korea is ChristianChile : There was also a 9/11 at chile is what is important, what took place is that Allende was deposed through a military coup RIP Allende
>>18751963>The USSR had more natural resources than all of them combined.Nope, their industry was weaker than Germany (in 1937 borders) alone
>>18751824But he wanted to conquer Poland and fight Bolshevism.
>>18751893>pol rent freeSay the redditranny
>>18752013redditgods own you
>>18751917If the plan was Indeed to conquer the whole country within weeks, these conditions were Indeed a humiliation ritual for the soviets
>>18752040Redditor happy to own nothing.
>>18751824>Why annex frozen slavic shitholes that would take deatades to pacify and develop?half of that area already is slavic shitholes, retard
>>18751824Hitler should have killed himselves in the 20s and save everyone the hassle.
>>18751850Getting Czechia and Austria at zero real cost would have probably been enough to provide a windfall to make any financial reckoning limited to just a recession. The Nazi Regime largely followed Keynesian Post Depression economics, people underestimate they still had the naturally powerful German economy at its disposal. He went to war because he wanted to, choosing to do it at 39’ as it provided the best chance of victory.
>>18751948Wasn't that the German position? It was wrong, perhaps not on the surface, but because a massive realignment was already in process.
>>18751942I think you are omitting someone (two, really) in that dichotomy.Plus, Britain only became a client in the 50s.>>The various regional powers who want sovereignty from America (Germany, Italy, Hungary, Japan). These would become the Axis.>HungaryMiklós...Might as well put Thailand in there too at that point.>>18751942In the period immediately after WW1 (and I mean 1919 onward) it was becoming readily apparent the UK was on the way out as the world's dominant power. And the U.S was near universally understood to be at least possibly the country of the future, though in Europe (and cultural satellite) this often came with a great deal of horror and not joy. The U.S. was by no means irrelevant, it just was not what it could later be.
>>18751824>Hitler should have stopped being Hitler and a nazithis is all that these threads amount to
>>18753290This, Hitler was a retarded ideologue who ACTUALLY believed that Germans were a master race destined to rule over every other race. There is no reality where he doesn’t go full retard and eventually chimps out on everyone else.
1.) Soviets broke the MR pact, annexed northern Bukovina, and as salt to the wounds, converted the rail gauge transporting Romanian oil2.) Germans were dependent on the SU for their oil, it was Soviet oil that fueled the Battle of Britain and a third of the Western Campaign, without the Romanian oil fields they would become a banana republic3.) The SU was relentless, they wanted the whole Bukovina, Bulgaria and potentially Romania, making Germany completely at the mercy of Moscow. Hitler saw all this and didn't want to be a patsy of the SU anymore, he threw a hail Mary despite Paulus' warning. If he didn't invade the SU would take Romanian oil, and slowly stopped the trade for technology in exchange for oil and other resources. Germany would fall to Bolshevism.Hitler acted mostly correctly, but instigating an Ukrainian seperatist movemen would have yielded more fruitful.
>>18751850>Because the economic boom that Nazi Germany experienced was fueled by military spending and stolen resources from other countries (Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland). Without constant military conflict the National Socialist government and German economy would have imploded and potentially led to a German civil war.I hear this a lot but I'm not sure about this-if their economy was so bad could they really have fought the 2nd WW for 6 years? The standard of living was way better than say Russia. That's one the Russians were so pissed at in Berlin-the German standard of living was good yet they came to a much poorer country to destroy and conquer it
>>18753471>I hear this a lot but I'm not sure about this-if their economy was so bad could they really have fought the 2nd WW for 6 years?They had food rationing and an oil crisis, they also imported food and oil so they were at the mercy of the political decisions of foreign states, hence Barbarossa.
>>18753476Alos the first 2 years were fought with Soviet food and oil while still rationing food.
>>18753290>>18753442>Wotan bound by fate had no choice but to will his own fall in RagnarokBased Germanic Heathens following the old ways :)
>>18751850>their economic boom was based on theftNope.It was based on productivity leading more capital coming into Germany than exiting Germany, Germany had begun to dominate productive sectors such as textiles and steel, sectors which England had a 3x advantage over the next competitor, Germany in five years surpassed Britian in production and export by over 15%.>stolen resourcessuch as?>AustriaAustria voted to join Germany in 1919, they were forbidden by the Entente.Anschluss was popular consistently throughout the 20s.Austria held the same vote in 1938 and voted at the same rate.When Austria joined Germany, Germany assumed their economic problems. problems that had been caused by the Czechs stealing Austria's gold, yes literally stealing, because Austria had disbanded its army and the Czechs had 20,000 armed men.>CzechoslovakiaGermany regained the gold stolen by the Czechs.>war leads to profitsa modern leftist myth, war BURNS profits, especially for the state.Maybe military contractors will profit, but Germany forbade war profiteering and put the screws to the industrialists who put profits over high quality production.Germany IMPOSED funnimuni on industrialists and did NOT use the sparse gains from conquest to pay back the industrialists.The SOLE beneficiary of war, didnt benefit at all and many German co.s went under.>best case scenario is RussiaGermany took Ukraine in under a month while in a direct war with the proto-NATrOons.Russia cannot even take it in four years against a rump state with a puppet government and breakaway oblastlets.
>>18751870>If Hitler hadn’t invaded the USSR then lend-lease would have never happened.Lend Lease would have happened if the Soviets declared war on Europe.Why?American aid to the Soviet Union was extensive throughout the 1920s and even continued into 1940 when the Soviets began their unprovoked attacks on their neighbors, demanding territory and invading if they didnt get it.
>>18751948Source?
>>18753283>Britain only became a client in the 50s.Huh? They were beggars in 1940.
>>18753471They fought for 6 years by constantly stealing resources from invaded countries. Not just that, also using the occupied population, prisoners and Jews as slave laborers, taking over all the Jewish owned property, gold and factories. They had rich Jews pay ransom money so they would let them leave.Comparing any European country with Russia is retarded. Outside of big cities Russia still lived in the 15th century.
