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How the hell can the KJV be the one true version of the Bible when the KJV is itself a translation?
>>18752540Its not just a translation.The KJV is also a curated compilation of 3 different Textus Receptus authors: Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, who all had personal biases on deciding what manuscripts to use and how to translate. Despite what KJV heretics say, the KJV isn't all from Stephanus and Beza (the two Calvinists). A huge chunk comes from Erasmus who was Catholic.Nothing about the KJV is a literal 1:1 translation.>How the hell can the KJV be the one true version of the Bible when the KJV is itself a translation?you don't even have to take my word: the 1611 has a preface where it says its not a perfect translation, does not replace older Bibles, and will need future updates.
>>18752579So what is going the smooth brains of the people who say the KJ bible is the only true Bible?
>>18752582Psychotic religious Anglo-centrism likely
>>18752582in the 2010s, /pol/ and a board called /christ/ highlighted a pastor named Steven Anderson. At first, people only liked him ironically as a joke. But then literal homosexuals started forming a parasocial relationship with Anderson and followed his every word. Those homosexuals eventually made their way to /his/ where they spread the word of Anderson.And one of Anderson's biggest pushes is KJVonlyism. KJVonlyism itself is a movement that came from 1800s Messianic Jews who introduced general israel worship to Christianity. But regardless, it was a core doctrine of Fundamentalist Baptist culture. Which Anderson introduced to a bunch of early /pol/tards who then eventually made their way to /his/
>>18752537>God hating atheists hates the King James aka Jesus aka GodYou don't say!>>18752592>KJVonlyism itself is a movement that came from 1800s Messianic Jews who introduced general israel worship to Christianity.The fun thing is that every lie you tell makes your eternity in Hell that much worse. Keep going!
>>18752579>the 1611 has a preface where it says its not a perfect translation, does not replace older Bibles, and will need future updates.No, it doesn't. >DUHHHRRR I SHIT MY PANTSAAASSSS>U DUSN KNOW THERES A PREFACEE DIURRRRNo, I'm well aware. The difference is I've read it and it doesn't say any of those things. You should kill yourself.
>>18752605>Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the latter thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us and being holpen by their labours, do endeavour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade ourselves, if they were alive, would thank us.>Therefore let no man's eye be evil, because his Majesty's is good; neither let any be grieved, that we have a Prince that seeketh the increase of the spiritual wealth of Israel; … but let us rather bless God from the ground of our heart for working this religious care in him to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this means it cometh to pass, that whatsoever is sound already (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours far better than their authentic vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if anything be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place.Oh no KJV-only bros...
>>18752601>liesC.I. Scofield influenced Peter Ruckman>C.I. Scofield heavily influenced Peter Ruckman by popularizing dispensationalism and providing a structural model for study Bibles that Ruckman later emulated.The main founder of the modern KJVonlyism movement was Peter Ruckman>Peter Ruckman was the primary architect of the radical King James Only movement, elevating the 1611 King James Version (KJV) from a preserved translation to divinely inspired scripture that surpasses the original Hebrew and Greek textsRuckman was one of the biggest Christian zionists of all time>Peter Ruckman was an ardent Christian Zionist and rigid adherent to the dispensationalist "Scofield School" of theology, believing the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 12 was an unconditional, everlasting promise determining the rise and fall of nations.>Dr. Peter S. Ruckman wrote The Restoration of Israel in 1978 (published by Bible Baptist Bookstore).Ruckman was the main influence on Jack Hyles>Yes, Jack Hyles was significantly influenced by Peter Ruckman, particularly regarding the doctrine of King James Onlyism (KJVO)Hyles founded the modern IFB>Jack Hyles was a defining figure in the movement's modern era. He served as the pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond from 1959 until his death in 2001, growing it into one of the largest churches in the United States.
>>18752537ENJOY BURNING
>>18752816>Ruckman was the main influence on Jack HylesThe fun thing is that every lie you tell makes your eternity in Hell that much worse. Keep going!
>>18752764>Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the latter thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us and being holpen by their labours, do endeavour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade ourselves, if they were alive, would thank us.Tell me in your own words what you think this says. This should be rich. Hint: You can't parse basic English.
>>18752873The reason the founder of the IFB itself is KJVonlyist is because of Ruckman. LOL>Doctrinal Shift: Hyles initially did not view the KJV as inspired or inerrant, even using phrases like "better translated." However, he eventually adopted Ruckman’s view that the KJV is inerrant and inspired>Hyles was persuaded by Ruckman’s arguments that the KJV was the inspired, inerrant Word of God, a view that contrasted with Hyles’ earlier mentor, John R. Rice, who was not KJV-onlyAnd this is literally what Steven Anderson's entire church was growing up>Jack Hyles was the dominant figure in the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement from 1959 until his death in 2001, leading the First Baptist Church of Hammond to become the largest Baptist church in the U.S.
>>18752906Jack Hyles' biggest influence was the Lord Jesus Christ.
>>18752920>the Lord Jesus Christa dark hell-spawned demon. that makes Jack Hyles a dark-hellspawned demon too.
>>18752921
>>18752920kek, you are really triggered by me insulting Jack Hyles. Adding this to the EnjoyHell anon lore.
>>18752764>>18752874Still waiting. Guess you had to crack the dictionary. ESL? Brown?>>18752926>kekManchild>triggered by me insulting Jack HylesAnd there it is, the confession. You're not a serious person. Enjoy burning.
>>18752924you are a dark hell-spawn demon if you think a brown middle easterner is your lord and savior. all christians are in cahoots with dark hell-spawned demons.
>>18752928i said i insulted Hyles. Not that i lied about it. Jack Hyles was influenced by Peter Ruckman who was influenced by CI Scofield (mr zionist himself)Even worse, it was specifically Hyles adoption of KJVonlyism that came from Ruckman. this is objective historical fact.
>>18752932>CI Scofieldanother dark hell-spawned demon
>>18752934correct. CI Scofield was Ruckman's biggest influence. Ruckman is like THE creator of the modern KJVonlyist movement. Most KJVO talking points come from him. And, Ruckman just so happened to be the one to directly influence the creator of the modern IFB's (Anderson's church growing up) opinion on the KJV
>>18752605Here is the preface saying every translation is the word of God>Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God.Here is where KJV writers acknowledge what the status of perfection is...>Nothing is begun and perfected at the same timeonly to say their version is just better than the older translations; not perfect>Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk:) but to make a good one betterHow only the direct writing from the Apostles is true>the original thereof being from heaven, not from earth; the author being God, not man; the inditer, the Holy Spirit, not the wit of the Apostles or ProphetsBasically, even after creating the 1611, the team's opinion was that they made an improvement, and not a final end-all version of the Bible.
>>18752537Lots of weird patterns embedded throughout, picrel is just one example of hundreds
Dont care, every thinkers worth a thought uses that
>>18752951Yeah, ESL. Thanks for confirming.
>>18752958>weird patternsthat's because dark hell-spawned demons with schizophrenia managed to put their cursed thoughts from the pits of hell to paper
>>18752974What color is your skin?
>>18752976british islander colored
>>18752982Right right. So, shit brown?
>>18752984go back to worshipping your circumcised dark hell-spawned demon imaginary friends at church where you can be together with your fellow dark hell-spawned demons who worship jewshttps://youtu.be/p2_p_qwIyZ4>'The Jews are better than us, you need to accept that' - Christian indoctrination of childrengive all your money and support to your fellow dark hell-spawned demon supremacists in the middle east. whatever you do, just leave the rest of us alone.
>>18752997O-ho-kay, Ranjesh. Okay. :)
>>18753006hindus are also dark hell-spawned demons. you belong in india.
>>18752537https://youtu.be/1QdUhNY6DnYYou fools are no more scientific than a tick on a dog's ass.You worship your imagination.You will get what you deserve from that if you refuse to examine yourselves honestly.
>>18752970Thats exactly what the text is saying LOL
>>18753025>LOLHow very.
The only true bible is the Ethiopian one. It's the less butchered one, after all.
>>18752874>>18752928>>18752970>KJVonlyist literally doesn't understand KJV English
>>18752540The OT of the bible is meant to be read by people post Jesus as a metaphor but it also doubled as a system to motivate the Israelites to set up the Second temple. Just how it is.Torah and OT were written to control Jews to help set io Europe for Germanic Invasions so Anglos could conquer England and create the English language. God did everything simply because he loved English and English is the language of Heaven.First thing you need to understand.
Protestants are weird. They accuse Catholics of worshipping the Pope and call them Papists when they literally worship one version of the Bible and defend it to death.
>>18753131>the less butchered oneit omits the third letter to the corinthians...
>>18752592>KJVonlyism itself is a movement that came from 1800s Messianic Jews who introduced general israel worship to Christianity.Shut up anon, none of that is true
>>18752537It's the best version of the bible because you can't read Aramaic, Greek or HebrewAnd the language is gorgeous and badass.
>>18753591This is what it means to turn the bible into an idol. The point of the words of God is to understand them. If you don't understand what you're reading you're reading them in vain
>>18752838The bible? Always.
>>18753588see >>18752816 >>18752906
>>18752601Jesus is a book?
>>18753131There is no complete translation of those books to English yet.
Why do KJV only-ists exist? The translation has great literary value, but that's it. It's not the most accurate, nor is it even the first English Bible.
>>18754093>The translation has great literary valueIt's literally the Geneva Bible but censored because a gay king thought it was too anti-monarchy
I'm fairly new to reading the bible, so which one is the best? Or at least the one I should read?
>>18754123The one academics generally recommend is the NRSVUe, and its the one you'll find in most academic settings and Seminary. That doesn't make it the "objective best". Keep in mind, Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek do not translate 1:1 into English, so the "objective best" translation doesn't really exist in the first place.
>>18754123read everything. compare verses from different Bibles, see whats different and come to your conclusion which one is more accurate.>no. i insist i am sold a bridgethen you are either going to be sold a globohomo modern bible translated by atheists or be directed back to KJV andersonites
>>18754093see >>18753194
>>18754123NRSVUe if you want the most "accurate" translation based on scholarly consensus and re-discovered original sourcesThere's also the ESV, which some claim is just the NRSVUe but less "woke" but I'll let you be the one to decide thatI'd still recommend something like the KJV though as its less of a dry read but it's far from accurate, uses far later original sources for its text, and was originally just propaganda for the British crown
>>18752537>divine truth must have an objective infallible translationwhy?God created also the world, yet we do not say books of research, science, empirical labors, must necessarily be divinely inspired.>the word is GodI hear this sometimes, but I am unconvinced of the Quadrinity theory of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and Book.
>>18754132modern KJVonlyism was pushed by zionist Christians. this is an objective historical fact.like, you guys hate the word Yahweh. but the only reason why Yahweh became taboo in recent times is because Jewish people did not like "YHWH" being vocalized. Its also why "Jehovah" was pushed in the first place because it was such a butchered translation of YHWH.
>>18754136The point of God being personal is that it allows him to form a relationship with his followers. If his motivations are beyond our epistemological horizon (ie. "God works in mysterious ways") or in other words, His word is a fallacious text written by a Homosexual King's court in the 1600s, it reduces God down to an unknowable, nebulous natural force, which is exactly what atheists believe about the universe anyways. Your religion is based on a Canon. If you cannot trust the Canon, your religion is useless as its constantly being hijacked by ideologues, either Prophets-of-the-week like Muhammad and Joseph Smith or corrupt monarchs like King James
>>18754140>The point of God being personal is that it allows him to form a relationship with his followers.That's how you end with the weird cults and the schizos who hear voices.
>>18754123>which one is the best? Or at least the one I should read?all of them. then research the places where they differ.
>>18754138I wasn't saying kjv is the best, I'm just explaining why people feel that way. it's because English is the language of Heaven as I explained, and KJV just happens to be the coolest sounding translation at the moment.
>>18752579Stfu retard
Tick tock.
>>18754093Anglo arrogance
>>18754595On the clockBut the party don't stop, no
>>18754093Tradition. It’s a common phenomenon in church history, actually. When Jerome published the Latin Vulgate there were riots in North Africa because the Old Testament was different from the Old Latin based on the Septuagint. In the middle ages the church of Rome was Vulgate-onlyist and the church of Constantinople is Septuagint-onlyist to this day.
>>187541401. King James was a straight man.2. The KJV is not a fallacious text, it's God's perfect word. 3. Don't think we didn't notice your random capitalization of "canon". 4. I trust the 66 books of the Bible because the Holy Ghost tells me that they were penned by God. To read them is to understand that they are divinely authored, especially when compared side-by-side with manmade texts like the apocrypha. We can tell the difference between Shakespeare and Dr. Seuss; We can tell the difference between what God wrote and what man wrote. Man, you're really trying to max out those flames, aren't you?
>>18754123If you want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then there's no way around learning hebrew and greek.
>>18754738>especially when compared side-by-side with manmade texts like the apocryphaWhy does the Epistle of Jude quote the apocryphal Book of Enoch as inspired scripture?
>>18754839It doesn't. You have a worthless brain.
If the only thing stopping you from being a Christian is that you don't believe it is true, then you are already a Christian.
>>18754868based Sensus Divinitatus chad
>>18754875I'm not a Christian. My point is that agreeing with the Morality of the Christian God and being willing to worship him but just needing evidence, is morally equivalent to believing.
>>18754862And you have small private parts.
>>18754957And what I meant here by morally equivalent to believing is , morally equivalent to aligning with Christianity.Someone could of course believe it is real and still be morally against Christianity.
