Why do so many Holocaust deniers appeal to empiricism and “just following the facts” when their own ideological commitments often precede their conclusions?There's an obvious tension between claiming to be a detached, objective observer and being invested in a worldview that determines which evidence you accept.If contradictory evidence is always dismissed as fabricated or part of a conspiracy, are you really being a positivist, or just LARPing as an empiricist?Can you reconcile the two, or is the appeal to objectivity just a rhetorical tool?
>when their own ideological commitments often precede their conclusions?To read between the lines here, are you saying its silly to deny the Holocaust when the people who tend to deny the Holocaust will also lionize the Nazis for Jewish persecution?
>>18753500Exactly.What's the point of denying 6 million jews dying if your end goal is getting rid of the jews through any means necessary?
>>18753528>We think the Jews are a vile race prone to serving their own ends even if that means wrecking the people and countries that had previously helped them and they should fuck off to literally anywhere elseYes.>And that's why 6 million of them were killed by overly convoluted execution methods up to and including putting a bunch of them in a field and then setting off an atomic bomb in the middle of them (this was an execution method described at Nuremberg and you're a holocaust denier if you say that didn't happen btw)No.
I don’t understand why their ideological commitments would lead to holocaust denial when a real holocaust is their objective
>>18753533What's the point of denying a mass murder if you plan to commit it either way? Who do you think you're fooling? >I didn't shoot that grandpa, but I wish I did and I wish he had blood coming from his skull See how that retarded this sounds?
>>18753542They don't wish they did though?>I wish the man who died was deadThis alone wouldn't stand up in any court in any country.
>>18753497>Holocaust
>>18753497Holocaust happened, but it was created by hebrew jews against the yiddish jews as a sacrifice to justify creating israel.And yes, Hitler was a zionist jew... half at least.
>>18753497>Why do so many Holocaust deniers appeal to empiricism and “just following the facts” when their own ideological commitments often precede their conclusions?Because just like flat earthers, they don't give a shit about the truth. Holocaust denial is about presenting Nazism as an acceptable political position as if it were comparable to normal ideologies like democratic conservatism, socialism, liberalism or Christian democracy, not about "looking for the truth".
>>18753566Evidence? Reminder, "I want the Jews to fuck off to literally anywhere else so long as it isn't Germany" is not Zionism.
>>18753497It's a backwards looking logic of wanting to justify nazi ideology as a legitimate cause squaring up against the realization that in fact most people don't condone genocide, going backwards then the point is to prove the Holocaust is fake, which in turn justifies their hatred of jews, it's somehow entirely logical and illogical at the same time.
It's the Mandela Effect again.Holocaust deniers come from the Fruit Loops timeline, where the Holocaust didn't happen.Holocaust believers come from the Froot Loops timeline, where it did happen.It's simply a multiverse situation
>>18753575That is literally zionism, modern European and American governments are zionists. >We will gladly support shitsrahell taking land that already belongs to others and genociding the natives, the jews deserve it, as long as it isn't hereHow is that not zionism?
>>18753534It makes perfect sense actually>see they dindu nuffin actually>attract normies into the movement>finally consolidate enough power>do the holocaust on jews>normies will go along with it as history showsPainting your movement as something noble and beneficial for the average prole is the best thing you can do to attract people into the movement, once you become powerful few will stand in the way of what you do
>>18753844>>finally consolidate enough powerAlmost there! Two more weeks
>>18753839You were talking about Hitler, not modern Europe or America dumb fucker.
>>18753851>Almost there! Two more weeksKek, that's exactly the point
The Shoah death count is literally a fog-of-war/arithmetic problem. Babyn Yar has never been exhumed and the bones counted. The Shoah is only intelligible as a radicalized counter-insurgency operation on the Eastern Front against the most communized ethnic group, Ashkenazim, and mass gassings a diffusion of death technology from the USSR's gas vans to the German Reich. Paul Rassinier, a communist, estimated a death count of 1.5M and noted how Buchenwald was reported as a todeslager despite that he survived it. The only satisfactory answer is that the 'Holocaust' is a product of 1967 war historiography and the Eastern Front's fog of war. The only commitment here is classical logic.
