Why do grown adults believe in these books lol.
>>18756703Scripture cannot be broken, doras.
OP here. Also I would like to use this thread as an opportunity to talk about my god, Ganesh.
>>18756720I thought Indians were philosemites doe
>>18756703Because it's tradition in past, and entertainment and aesthetic choice in modern world. Next question.
>>18756703They don't read them, mostly.
There are waaay more book than just those also Book of Mormon is more like a shitposthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mandaic_manuscriptshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_libraryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_ScrollsJust to name some
>>18756873less that and more just they'll support anyone who hates muslims
>>18756720Sounds based
>>18756703Same reason why they deny other gods.The denial is not accidental. It is enforced by a set of five specific theological mistakes, deliberately engineered by the early reformers and hardened across centuries into spiritual pathology. These mistakes function as the gears of the machine that keeps adherents of the three traditions fighting against their own divine inheritance.The first mistake was inventing the category of "false god", something you don't see outside of Abrahamic traditions in ancient history. It does not exist in the pre-Abrahamic ancient world. When a Babylonian met an Egyptian, they did not argue about which of their gods was false. They recognized each other's deities as local cultural expressions of shared cosmic powers. An Egyptian in Babylon could offer sacrifice to Marduk without abandoning Amun. A Greek trader in Tyre could invoke Melqart without betraying Zeus. Ancient religion was mutually recognizable across cultural lines, what scholars of religion call interpretatio: the habitual practice of identifying one culture's gods with another's.The second mistake was confusing monolatry with monotheism. Modern adherents of the three religions commonly assume that their scriptures always taught strict monotheism: the claim that only one God exists and all others are illusions. This is historically false, and the falsehood is well established in mainstream biblical and Qur'anic scholarship.The third and most corrosive theological mistake shared by all three Abrahamic traditions is the equation of military and political success with divine favor. When Israel was victorious, YHWH was deemed with them. When Israel was defeated, it was deemed divine punishment. When Islam expanded from Arabia to Persia in fifty years, this was interpreted as proof of Allah's truth. When Christianity captured the Roman Empire, this was interpreted as Christ's triumph over the pagan gods.(continued in next post)
>>18756995The Dead Sea Scrolls are just manuscripts of the Old Testament, retard. The reason they're significant is because they're among the earliest biblical sources found that hasn't been passed around and re-written 50 times
(cont.)The fourth mistake is the scapegoating the source civilizations. The Abrahamic traditions systematically demonize the civilizations from which they most directly borrowed. Egypt, whose wisdom literature shaped the biblical book of Proverbs (the so-called "Words of Amenemope" are directly paralleled in Proverbs 22:17-24:22), is presented as the land of cruel oppressors. Canaan, whose alphabet the Hebrew Bible itself was written in and whose deity El became the God of the Patriarchs, is presented as a nation of depraved abominations deserving extermination. Greece, whose philosophy Philo and the Church Fathers absorbed wholesale to construct their theology, was later condemned by that same Church as a source of demonic knowledge. Rome, whose legal and administrative structures the Catholic Church copied to organize itself, is presented in Christian apocalyptic as the city of Antichrist.Absorb everything useful from the neighbor, then project onto the neighbor the image of a devil to be overcome. The debt can never be acknowledged because the acknowledgment would dissolve the claim of unique revelation. So the gratitude owed to the source civilizations is converted into hostility, and the hostility is converted into scriptural commandments for their destruction.The fifth and most durable mistake is the elevation of scripture to the status of direct, complete, and closed divine revelation: Torah-only in rabbinic Judaism, Qur'an-only in certain strains of Islam, sola scriptura in Protestant Christianity. Every Abrahamic scripture is, demonstrably, a human document composed and edited and redacted across centuries by human authors. This is not controversial in academic biblical or Qur'anic scholarship. It is the settled consensus of every serious research program.
When scripture is treated as closed, inerrant, and sufficient, the believer is cut off from every other source of wisdom. He cannot learn from the Upanishads. He cannot learn from the Platonic dialogues. He cannot learn from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. He cannot learn from anything outside the approved canon. The pathology this produces is Epistemot, the death of knowledge, and it is a structural feature of every Abrahamic orthodoxy.The Abrahamic reform, in each of its three iterations, follows a recognizable five-stage mechanism. Once the pattern is seen, it becomes visible across all three traditions.Stage 1: A figure emerges claiming to have received direct, unmediated revelation from the one true God. This revelation is presented as superseding all prior religious experience. Moses on Sinai. Muhammad in the cave. Jesus on the mountain. The reformer positions himself as the terminus of previous tradition and the beginning of a new dispensation that invalidates what came before.Stage 2: The reform is not voluntary in its decisive phases. Exodus 32 records Moses ordering the Levites to slaughter three thousand Israelites who worshipped the Golden Calf. 2 Kings 23 records Josiah executing the priests of the high places on their own altars and burning their bones. Muhammad's military campaigns against Mecca culminated in the forcible cleansing of the Kaaba of its 360 deities in 630 CE. The Christian Emperors from Constantine through Theodosius issued increasingly severe legislation criminalizing pagan worship, culminating in Theodosius's prohibitions of 391-392 CE and the consequent temple destructions across the Empire.(continued in next post)
Stage 3: Once the coercion succeeds, the records are systematically revised to align with the new theology. The Deuteronomic and Priestly redactors edited the older traditions of the Hebrew Bible to suppress references to the divine council and to project monotheism backward onto figures who had worshipped within a pantheon. The Masoretic text altered Deuteronomy 32:8 to hide the original meaning. The early Islamic tradition retracted the so-called "Satanic Verses" acknowledging the daughters of Allah. Christian councils excluded gospels and other early texts that preserved alternative theologies (the Nag Hammadi Library, rediscovered in 1945, preserves many of these suppressed traditions). The retroactive editing is not incidental. It is the mechanism by which the reform consolidates itself against the memory of what came before.Stage 4: Children are born into the reformed tradition and never encounter any other framework. They are taught that their ancestors worshipped false gods out of ignorance. They are taught that the one true God has always been the one true God, and that any surviving complexity is a temptation to resist. By the second or third generation, the reform has become "the way it has always been," and access to the pre-reform understanding becomes available only to specialists who deliberately seek it out.Stage 5: Secure in its internal conformity, the tradition begins to evangelize or conquer, exporting its version of reality to surrounding polytheistic cultures. Each conquest repeats the original mechanism. The temples of the conquered people are destroyed. Their gods are demonized. Their scriptures are burned. Their children are raised in the new faith. The cycle expands geographically and temporally. This is how a regional reform becomes a global religion.
Christianity invented the concept of religious Canon because the original Christians were just Jewish legalists who wanted to leverage daily practice and spiritual devotion into personal conduct based on their idealized worldview. The problem is that once a canon is established, it becomes nearly impossible to revise, and so as a result, the followers of said Canon and then encouraged to treat their Holy Book as a sole source of knowledge and doctrine. That's why later Jews wrote the Talmud and clarified that it's just the opinions of some Rabbi and to just use it as a guide rather than a sole source of conduct, but it's too late for Christians
>>18757388>Christianity invented the concept of religious Canon because the original Christians were just Jewish legalistsThe first Christian Canon was created by Marcion, who was explicitly anti-Jewish. The Orthodoxy had to make a counter-Canon.
>>18757935>who was explicitly anti-Jewish.Yeah, he was against the Jews that saw Jesus as an idolater. He was also strongly against Platonism because the Demiurge is explicitly against the teachings of Paul.
>>18757371claude-slop autist, you again>When a Babylonian met an Egyptian, they did not argue about which of their gods was false. They recognized each other's deities as local cultural expressions of shared cosmic powers. This is essentially what every monotheistic tradition intrinsically argues; every God is ultimately a local expression of the divine. They are concerned with how these local cultures express this divinity, and if this expression ultimately coheres to reality.If all pantheons simultaneously control natural phenomenon, like when the rain falls, but have chosen to sequester themselves to their political borders, then following any religion is a complete joke. You treat the domain of divine as marvel superhero pantheons with crossovers.This is the natural evolution of nerdy atheists like you, who didn't get bitches in highschool because you were too busy jerking off to God of War and Percy jackson. You don't believe in religion to begin with, yet you still poke your nose in our matters with these idiotic proclamations, because of this vested interest in neo-pagan philosophy. Yet even with this interest you still offer almost zero deeper insights into any traditions you dismiss off-hand, routinely get corrected on this board, and further display your middling-wit with these mild-melting sloppa essays.>The second mistake was confusing monolatryThis is your other idiotic proclamation. your autistic insistence on spamming this on this board, because claude corrected you once, and you basedfaced.
>>18757942>Jews that saw Jesus as an idolaterNo? He was against Jews because he saw Yahweh as literal Satan, and Judaists, therefore, were satanists in his eyes. Like, literal Devil worshippers. Also the apostles distorted the Jesus' teaching, which only was preserved by Paul. And of course he rejected the Old Testament wholesale.
>>18756703XNITY PRIMERhttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a-9eWjZWH-6uUOcRFJ4hFsgB2vOhdZZf....learn moar discern moar
>>18756720fuck off
>>18757966>If all pantheons simultaneously control natural phenomenon, like when the rain falls, but have chosen to sequester themselves to their political borders, then following any religion is a complete joke. Your understanding is a joke. The gods are culturally localized representations of aspects in nature, be it human nature or otherwise. All gods are represented and express in different ways by different civilizations, but most pantheons across the world share a historically traceable root back to the Sumerian pantheon. >You treat the domain of divine as marvel superhero pantheons with crossoversNo, that's Abrahamic traditions and their spiritually Jewish superhero prophets. You aren't required by orthodox dogma to believe in the myths of gods in paganism literally, like in Abrahamic traditions. Getting emotional and defensive like this about the history of religion isn't convincing anybody of your shitpost.>You don't believe in religion to begin withRetard. I believe in religion but the one I subscribe to has no Semitic roots. You cannot claim the same thing if you believe in Abrahamic prophet slop. >yet you still poke your nose in our matters>our mattersHahahaha it's world history. It doesn't belong to you lil bro. You haven't said a single verifiably correct thing, for all that shitposting. Dire!
>>18758043>Your understanding is a joke. The gods are culturally localized representations of aspects in nature, be it human nature or otherwise. All gods are represented and express in different ways by different civilizationsTransparent reflection of your intellect
>>18756703book five of the pentalogy isn't actually from a desert, Mormons only moved into the Great Basin after Joseph Smith's death. He wrote it (or translated it with the help of an angel, if you prefer) in upstate New York
