Like trust me bro it’s totally not polytheism
>one God>polytheism
>>18763594>words words wordsThe left can’t meme.
>>18763590I count three.
>>18763583God is not one person. Simple.
>>18763598Look again. I count 1.
>>18763598There are 4 lights
>>18763583Jews when they Out neo platon the Christians . Shit cuz we got 7 more spheres n sheit
>>18763594>>18763633Where does this retarded “Trinity is Platonist” meme come from?
>>18763604God the Father (1), God the Son (2), God the Holy Spirit (3).
>>18763637Look again.That's not how it's written in the OP.I see:The Father (1), The Son (1), The Holy Spirit (1), God (1).I count three persons and 1 God. That's literally what is there until you just started adding words.
>>18763650Me (1), my brother (1), my sister (1), us (1)
>>18763635>Where does this retarded “Trinity is Platonist” meme come from?Do you understand the concept of a timeline? Plato lived in 4th century BC and laid the groundwork for Platonism, a philosophy rooted in pagan traditions of spiritual and philosophical contemplation that seeks the soul's direct, intuitive union with higher eternal realities—culminating in the Form of the Good or "The One"—through intellectual ascent, virtue, and inner transformation. That is the basis for mysticism in 4th century BC Platonism Jesus lived in 1st century CE and laid the groundwork for Christianity which had no metaphysics or mysticism until after like 6th century CE. Christianity gets philosophically mogged. It inherited an apocalyptic Jewish messianism, a Pauline crucifixion theology, and a set of ethical teachings about charity and repentance. What it did not inherit from its Palestinian origins was a contemplative metaphysics. It had no doctrine of the soul's ascent through hierarchies of being. It had no analysis of divine names. It had no triadic structure of procession, rest, and return. It had no theurgic theology. It had no apophatic negation as a pathway to union with the Absolute. These doctrines did not exist in the Gospels. They did not exist in Paul. They did not exist in the Synoptic tradition. They did not exist in the rabbinic Judaism that formed Christianity's immediate background. Jesus never spoke on anything regarding metaphysics grounded in logical reasoning.
>>18763673That’s a lot of words to brag about attending a secular church history class one time and how smart you feel after watching some lecture on youtube but it has nothing to do with a supposed relationship between Plato and the Trinity.
>>18763675He's not wrong.
>>18763677Not wrong about what? He didn’t even mention the Trinity, his rant was totally irrelevant
>>18763637Three persons, one God. Makes sense to me>>18763653This is a category error because you are conflating human beings with the being of God. You, your brother and your sister are not of the same substance. There is one divine substance which exists within the three divine subsistences, and not apart from them.
>>18763678>He didn’t even mention the Trinity, his rant was totally irrelevantNice reading comprehension. Try again>What it did not inherit from its Palestinian origins was a contemplative metaphysics. It had no doctrine of the soul's ascent through hierarchies of being. It had no analysis of divine names. It had no triadic structure of procession, rest, and return. It had no theurgic theology. It had no apophatic negation as a pathway to union with the Absolute. These doctrines did not exist in the Gospels. They did not exist in Paul. They did not exist in the Synoptic tradition. They did not exist in the rabbinic Judaism that formed Christianity's immediate background. Jesus never spoke on anything regarding metaphysics grounded in logical reasoning.>It had no triadic structureWhat do you think this means, genius?
>>18763679So let me count, Vishnu (1), Shiva (1), Bramha (1), Brhamahn (1)
>>18763680See >>18763675
>>18763685The Hindus indeed say these are one god, not only with themselves, but with you and me and all things whatsoever. They are pantheists. This has something to do with the Trinity?
Christianity acquired its mysticism in a single documented act of literary theft. At the beginning of the sixth century of the common era, an anonymous Syrian monk read the works of the pagan Neoplatonist Proclus, head of the Platonic Academy of Athens from 437 to 485 CE, along with the works of Proclus's predecessors Plotinus, Porphyry, and Iamblichus. Proclus carried on the traditions established by Plato, but this monk copied Proclus's system, with substantial portions reproduced verbatim or with minimal paraphrase, replaced the pagan divine names with Christian terminology, attached his forgery to the name of Dionysius the Areopagite (a figure mentioned briefly in Acts 17:34 as an Athenian convert of Paul), and released the resulting corpus into Byzantine circulation. The forgery was accepted as authentic apostolic writing for the next thousand years. It shaped every subsequent Christian mystical tradition, from Maximus the Confessor to Meister Eckhart to John of the Cross. Every Catholic sacramental theology, every Byzantine liturgical commentary, every Western scholastic doctrine of the angelic hierarchies, traces back to this document.The structural backbone of Proclus's entire system is the triadic rhythm of monē, proodos, epistrophē: abiding, procession, return. Every level of reality abides in its cause, proceeds from it, and returns to it. This triad is established in Proclus's Elements of Theology, Propositions 25 through 39, and it governs the architecture of his Platonic Theology. The triad is not a trivial formula. It is the load-bearing structure of Neoplatonic metaphysics.The Dionysian corpus (a forgery), first appearing in 6th century CE, adopts (steals) this triad as the architectural principle of its entire system. The forgery was accepted as authentic apostolic writing for the next thousand years.
>>18763689>It had no triadic structure>What do you think this means, genius?Answer this?Since 'too many words' = overwhelming for you. I will humor your intellectual handicap
>>18763675>>18763678The first major Christian commentator to systematize texts on "The Trinity" was John of Scythopolis around 540 CE, within a decade of their surfacing; his Scholia, expanded by Maximus the Confessor in the seventh century, became the standard Byzantine framework for reading the texts. The texts were translated into Latin by John Scotus Eriugena in the ninth century at the court of Charles the Bald, introducing Dionysian theology to the Latin West, where it would become central to Aquinas, Bonaventure, and the late medieval mystical tradition.The corpus attributed to Dionysius the Areopagite consists of four major treatises and ten letters: On the Divine Names (De Divinis Nominibus), On the Mystical Theology (De Mystica Theologia), On the Celestial Hierarchy (De Caelesti Hierarchia), On the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy (De Ecclesiastica Hierarchia), and the ten Epistles. These texts first surface in the historical record at a specific, dated moment: the Council of Constantinople held in 532 CEJesus died in 1st century, anon. He didn't mention anything about "The Trinity". Church Fathers -- 6 centuries after Jesus died -- gained access to Neoplatonism, extinguished Neoplatonism academies and cut people off from the traditions by imperial decree, then decided that a mystical triadic structure suddenly belonged to Christianity from that point on.Oops I guess that was 'a lot of words'. Im sorry if I triggered your psychosis again, anon.
>>18763696My answer is that the sentence didn’t end there and I don’t think it’s possible that you’re actually this stupid, you’re acting in bad faith.>>18763700See this is what I mean. You saw some epic “shocking true history of Christianity revealed!” video by Bart Ehrman or someone like that 5 minutes ago and now you’re talking about obscure figures of church history that very few people in general have heard of. Yes it is still embarrassing. The doctrine of the Trinity didn’t appear in 540 AD. Even the formal creedal definition was over 200 years earlier, and the term itself from still a century earlier yet. What you’ve shown (or really just referenced) is that Pseudo-Dionysius was a neoplatonist philosopher, which all of the 6 people who heard of him knew already. What you have not done is remotely explained what Plato has to with the doctrine of the Trinity. Second, it is true that Christ never spoke of a “Trinity” or a doctrine of the Trinity, it is utterly false that He said nothing of the substance of the doctrine. The doctrine, the whole doctrine, is derived directly from the holy scriptures, and only the vocabulary developed.
the process by which the trinity was arrived at is actually fundamentally oppossed to Plato's teachings. In the symposium. Socrates scolds Agathon for prioritising praising eros over accurately describing it.This is exactly the type of though process that decided what interpretation of Jesus' nature was made doctrine.The gospels very clearly point to Jesus, the Son, being subordinate to the Father, but this wasn't the interpretation that allowed them to praise him the most, so they declared all the sensible reading heresy.
>>18763706>The doctrine of the Trinity didn’t appear in 540 ADYes it did. Any earlier than that and the concept of Trinity in Christianity was still merely in the process of becoming defined doctrine. >What you have not done is remotely explained what Plato has to with the doctrine of the TrinityYour reading comprehension is garbage. Neoplatonism is where the framework of triadic structure in metaphysics was most well defined in antiquity. Christianity adopted the Neoplatonist framework and claimed credit for inventing it because it complimented the process they were struggling with, regarding the concept of the Trinity for centuries.It was already a well defined concept before Plato died, 400 years before the birth of Jesus. Middle Platonism and Neoplatonism further expanded on the framework, and eventually Christians adopted it centuries later in order to reshape their theology, define angelic hierarchies in heaven, and change the way they engage in liturgical commentary. Christianity didn't spawn in with all of it's traditions and interpretations in the first century, anon. It was struggling to define itself while Platonism was flourishing the entire time. In 529 CE the Christian Emperor Justinian I, whose legislation prohibited the teaching of pagan philosophy on pain of confiscation of property and loss of civil rights, closed down the very last Neoplatonist academy in Athens.. The remaining philosophers, including Damascius and Simplicius, fled to the Sasanian court of Khosrow I before partially returning under treaty conditions. The thousand-year continuous tradition of Greek philosophical instruction at Athens, begun by Plato in 387 BCE, was extinguished by imperial Christian decree.Within a generation of the Academy's closure, the Dionysian corpus appeared. The timing is not coincidental but you don't seem balanced enough to have that conversation.
