If God is real, why did He give me the hardest life of all humans, if I've never done anything wrong? My life is worse than anyone.
>>18764440>I've never done anything wrongYou’ve never done anything but wrong
>>18764443Incorrect. Any other answers?
>>18764443That must mean that I have done millions and millions of things wrong.Can you please name three of them?
>>18764440It must be your karma from a previous life
>>18764445It’s correct actually>>18764450You have not loved the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, you have not loved your neighbor as yourself, and you have loved your sin.
>>18764454Who is God? How do I love someone I never met?I have loved my neighbors as myself before.What sin did I love?>>18764443That painting of a Jewish woman depicted as if she were White has nothing to do with me. I am neither Jewish nor female.
>>18764461>Who is God? How do I love someone I never met?You see, this disingenuous denial of your creator would alone merit an eternity of suffering.
>>18764477Denying someone I never met does not merit an eternity of suffering.
>>18764496He is not far from any one of us
>>18764500>vague nonsenseCreating someone and giving them a shit life and hiding from them while also not being far from them but far enough they never met you, is the same as a deadbeat dad. How can you love or acknowledge your deadbeat dad that you never met? And why should you? Creation does not make yoi respectable. Any guy can have kids and then abandon them.
>>18764477>>18764500If a man has a kid and abandons them and they never meet, the kid is not deserving of eternal punishment for not knowing who their dad is.
>>18764503God has not abandoned you, it is only because of His grace and mercy that your heart is beating right now, every breath you take is stolen from Him. One day He will finally abandon you to your own devices and let you be the only god of your world as you so desire, and in that day your agony will be incomprehensible and unending.
>>18764511I think he already did abandon me. And I do not think a fetus eating its mothers food counts as stealing. If he didnt want me to breathe his air then he should have thought twice before letting me breathe it in and pollute it as I please.
>>18764514If He abandoned you, why do you still draw breath? Why does the sun still rise? Why are you not now in Hell?
>>18764511But my life sucks so it is not graceful or merciful that he gave me this life assuming he is real which i do not know who you refer to as I never met that person before. Seems like he has a habit to make people suffer in his merciful world and then increase their suffering because people he never met rightfully said they never met him lol.
>>18764518Hell is not a real place so that explains why im not there.I draw breath because the physical force of my natural lungs that evolution gave me pulls the air into my nostrils like all the other animals who do not know their creator.
>>18764518The sun does not rise, the earth rotates which makes the sun appear to rise. Nothing can stop that except for physical processes like when the Sun implodes in a few billion years, no man i never met is gonna stop it, lol.
>>18764526>The sun does not rise, the earth rotates which makes the sun appear to rise
>>18764519It’s much better than you deserve>rightfully saidNot rightfully, falsely. You know God exists but you suppress this truth in your heart.>>18764522Hell is a very real place and you will never leave it unless you repent. Also evolution is not real, it’s a cope. Natural laws only operate because of the will of God.
>>18764440OP what are you gonna do in judgement day when God presents this man: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTfWor6JF/ in front of you and ask you what's your excuse?
>>18764555Ad hominem is not an argument. Let your God stop the Sun from rising then if He makes it rise? >>18764558>You know God existsNo. To know something exists you need proof, if I knew God exists without proof, that is a delusion.>evolution is not realSigh.>>18764591When God does that I'll say, wtf is wrong with you.
>>18764461>That painting of a Jewish womanignoramus alert
>>18764613>Let your God stop the Sun from risingGod is not your butler, waiting for your orders.>To know something exists you need proofDo you need proof to know you exist?
>>18764622>Do you need proof to know you exist?Yes, thankfully I get proof of that every waking second. Now let's see proof of your god
>>18764443Utter depravity isn't something that's even taught by Calvinists fyi.
>>18764613>When God does that I'll say, wtf is wrong with you.You need to understand that God is a billion times brighter than the sun, and there's a whole spectacle of splendor and fire and lightings around him. You will not even withstand his presence, let alone his voice. Your heart will be beating at 1,000 mph, you will be trembling uncontrollably and you won't find the strength to stand up from the floor, where you will be hiding your face from his glorious yet terrifying splendor.And the guy in the video will be turned into something that resembles him. In that moment none of your problems on earth will even matter to you. They will seem like peanuts, completely insignificant.
>>18764657>You need to understand that God is a billion times brighter than the sun, and there's a whole spectacle of splendor and fire and lightings around him.God's light is not physical in any sense.
>>18764619Eve was a Jew like all ur prophets were lol.
>>18764636>YesI accept your concession
>>18764670No one before Israel (Jacob the liar) is a jew.
>>18764659>God's light is not physical in any sense.You have not the slightest idea what God is. In the new age there won't be need for sun or moon because God will be present in the form of his son on earth permanently.
>>18764675>Jacob the liarSlandering the Son of The God is a bad idea.
>>18764622>God is not your butlerWell since He failed to prove to me He exists I will not be His butler either.>>18764657Entirely hypothetical extraordinary made up claims with zero reason to take it seriously, this is just your fantasy because you are afraijd of ddying lol.
>>18764753Ok thats just bait atp
>>18764822You think the creator of the sun is less powerful than the sun? The creator of galaxies is smaller than a galaxy? The creator of magnificence will not the the most magnificent? The creator of beauty will not be the most beautiful?
In Araboth are 660,000 myriads of angels of glory standing over against the Throne of Glory and the divisions offlaming fire. And the King of Glory doth cover His face; for else the Araboth Raqia would be rent asunder in its midst because of the majesty, splendour, beauty, radiance, loveliness, brilliancy, brightness and excellency of the appearance of the Holy One,) blessed be He.There are numerous ministering angels performing his will, numerous kings, numerous princes in the 'Araboth of his delight, angels who are revered among the rulers in heaven, distinguished, adorned with song and bringing love to remembrance: who are affrighted by the splendour of the Shekina, and their eyes are dazzled by the shining beauty of their King, their faces grow black and their strength doth fail.There go forth rivers of joy, streams of gladness, rivers of rejoicing, streams of triumph, rivers of love, streams of friendship, of commotion and they flow over and go forth before the Throne of Glory and wax great and go through the gates of the paths of 'Araboth Raqia at the voice of the shouting and musick of the CHAYYOTH, at the voice of the rejoicing of the timbrels of his 'OPHANNIM and at the melody of the cymbals of His Kerubim. And they wax great and go forth with commotion with the sound of the hymn: "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD OF HOSTS; THE WHOLE EARTH IS FULL OF HIS GLORY!"
>>18764440ALL humans are VICTIMS of God's insanity. As a result, there is no action done by any human at any point in time for which any human is at FAULT. The main psychological strategy of God is to BLAME THE VICTIM for all of the conflict, suffering, and death that HE CAUSED. Therefore, ALL HUMANS are not obliged to feel ANY guilt, repentance, shame, or remorse in ANY form under ANY circumstances whatsoever for ANY action done at ANY point in time—past, present, or future.
>>18765032Why do you assume that it's unfair? God has clearly shown that He is much more intelligent, wise etc. compared to humans. He knows the future perfectly, and therefore it's ridiculous to assume that we know morality and justice better than Him. If God says that humans are at fault, then they are, it doesn't matter what we think. It doesn't feel good, but that's just how reality is.We were born in a cursed world of pain and torment, but just because we're not aware of what God knows, doesn't automatically make us innocent. He gave us a conscience to understand that what we do is wrong, and despite us clearly being evil, He still allows most humans to have experiences that are nice, like sleeping.If you willingly do what you know is wrong, and even the Bible shows that it's wrong, why is that God blaming you? God simply gave you the understanding that what you are doing is wrong. Would it better if God just told you that you're right and didn't do anything wrong? If He did that, He would not be saying the truth.We don't have all the answers, but God was nice enough to let us know that He hates this world and sinners, and that we are sinners.He even gave us a way out of being punished by Him freely, without any works necessary to be done by us, by sending His Son to take our place and be punished for our sins. Without this blood atonement that God made, we would go to hell because we would die in our sins, but He gave this gift to us freely if we are willing to receive it.Jesus Christ is The Lord God in the flesh. He came to Earth in human form, willingly died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. He now offers complete and permanent spiritual cleansing and eternal life to anyone who trusts Him enough to ask Him for it, instead of trusting their own works to be saved.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>18766327Proverbs 16:9
>>18765032The only victim here is God who has to endure our debauchery and evil and injustice that we oppress each other with and the wickedness in our hearts and constant malice all day planning evil and harm to others and desiring hurt to others and envying what others have for centuries. That's why he deserves to have his day of vengeance against his enemies. Against all who do evil. He deserves to pour his wrath on them and wipe them off the race of the earth.
>>18766336Proverbs 16:4
>>18766329Yes, so ultimately it's God who give us everything that we have. We might think "I want to murder", but ultimately it's God who decides when, how and if that will happen because He is omnipotent and can see and control anything He wants to. However, that doesn't mean that He doesn't let us make decision for ourselves, that's proven plenty of times in the Bible. For example:Proverbs 1:25“But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:”Luke 7:30“But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.”It doesn't mean that God made them reject, it's that they WANTED to reject, and God let them reject Him. Right now God is letting evil happen, but won't let it happen permanently.
>>18766340For there was a time in this age when I was preparing for those who now exist, before the world was made for them to dwell in, and no one opposed me then, for no one existed; but now those who have been created in this world which is supplied both with an unfailing table and an inexhaustible pasture, have become corrupt in their ways. So I considered my world, and behold, it was lost, and my earth, and behold, it was in peril because of the devices of those who had come into it. And I saw and spared some with great difficulty, and saved for myself one grape out of a cluster, and one plant out of a great forest. So let the multitude perish which has been born in vain, but let my grape and my plant be saved, because with much labor I have perfected them......“Behold,” says the Lord, “I bring evils upon the world, the sword and famine and death and destruction. For iniquity has spread throughout every land, and their harmful deeds have reached their limit. Therefore,” says the Lord, “I will be silent no longer concerning their ungodly deeds which they impiously commit, neither will I tolerate their wicked practices. Behold, innocent and righteous blood cries out to me, and the souls of the righteous cry out continually. I will surely avenge them,” says the Lord, “and will receive to myself all the innocent blood from among them.....Thus says the Lord God: “My right hand will not spare the sinners, and my sword will not cease from those who shed innocent blood on earth.” And a fire will go forth from his wrath, and will consume the foundations of the earth, and the sinners, like straw that is kindled. “Woe to those who sin and do not observe my commandments,” says the Lord; “I will not spare them. Depart, you faithless children! Do not pollute my sanctuary.” For the Lord knows all who transgress against him; therefore he will hand them over to death and slaughter.
>>18766346For now calamities have come upon the whole earth, and you shall remain in them; for God will not deliver you, because you have sinned against him.....As you will do to my chosen people,” says the Lord, “so God will do to you, and will hand you over to adversities. Your children shall die of hunger, and you shall fall by the sword, and your cities shall be wiped out, and all your people who are in the open country shall fall by the sword. And those who are in the mountains and highlands shall perish of hunger, and they shall eat their own flesh in hunger for bread and drink their own blood in thirst for water. Unhappy above all others, you shall come and suffer fresh afflictions. And as they pass they shall wreck the hateful city, and shall destroy a part of your land and abolish a portion of your glory, as they return from devastated Babylon. And you shall be broken down by them like stubble, and they shall be like fire to you. And they shall devour you and your cities, your land and your mountains; they shall burn with fire all your forests and your fruitful trees. They shall carry your children away captive, and shall plunder your wealth, and abolish the glory of your countenance.”
>>18766344>>18766346Proverbs 16:33
>>18766355Proverbs 16:33“The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.”Casting lots was a method used by the Jews of the Old Testament and by the Christian disciples prior to Pentecost to determine the will of God. Lots could be sticks with markings, stones with symbols, etc., which were thrown into a small area, and then the result was interpreted. There are many instances of casting lots in the Bible.It was pretty much used in The Old Testament when important decisions needed to be made and they wanted to let God decide.This has nothing to do with Calvinistic absolute control where God doesn't let humans make decicions.
>>18764440>My life is the worst ever!>said the entitled lazy neet living off his parent's hard work>>18764445>gets answer>not answer you wanted>immediately dismiss itIf anything, your misery springs forth from your own endless well of idiocy.
>>18766363Your decisions seem free but God determines your inner workings.
>>18766344>However, that doesn't mean that He doesn't let us make decision for ourselvesLmao whatever helps you cope
>>18766382It's Pharaoh who chose to not let the people go first (exodus 5), then after that God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 7.What is so difficult to understand? God lets us make decisions, and then gives us the result of out decicion.For example, if you reject the Lord Jesus Christ, God gives you hell because you refused to accept the only way to be saved from your sins. If you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour, God gives you salvation from hell. God does not force you to be saved. There is no way you can read the Bible and get the idea that God is just making some sort of silly theatre and we never had any decision to make at all. It's treating God as some sort of stupid baby who wants to just make up scenarios with His toys to force them to be evil so He can yell at them and torture them forever. It's so stupid.Humans are not some sort of dolls, they have a mind that can freely think for itself and perform actions. Its how Adam was able to refuse to do the will of God even though He was made in His image.God doesn't want fake puppets that only love Him because He mind controlled them to love Him. He truly did save humans, and let us decide for ourselves if we want that.Calvinism is stupid. Just because you don't have a choice to go to hell after salvation, doesn't mean that you don't have choice on whether you accept salvation or not
>>18766382So God is making you talk shit about him on the internet? Did he made the decree from his throne: "Anon will shit talk me today" and an angel came to you and set your heart to shit talk him all day? Is that your excuse?
>>18766401Proverbs 16:1
>>18766400NTA but Romans 9 says Pharaoh was created with that purpose.
>>18766406God raised Pharaoh to the throne of Egypt so He could demonstrate His power in judgment against him when he wouldn't let Israel go. That purpose was based on God's foreknowledge of what Pharaoh would do (Exodus 3:17-19). But God did give Pharaoh a legitimate chance to repent, and God did not harden his heart until he turned that chance down twice.The thing is, everybody is born a vessel "of wrath." The real question is why does God put up with such vessels. Peter said that God "is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Pet. 3:9). The goal of God's longsuffering is not to show His wrath; it is to give the sinner a chance to repent so he won't have to experience the wrath of God against his sins.Now, if that is the case (and it is), why does Paul say, "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known"? Paul is making a supposition (not a doctrinal statement) on something he said earlier in the chapter so he can draw a conclusion from it. "To make his power known" is a reference back to Pharaoh in Rom 9:17: "that I might shew my power in thee."So when Paul says, "willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known," it has nothing to do with God damning a man against his will back before Genesis 1:1. It is God, in His foreknowledge, waiting to enact His wrath on a sinner who is rejecting Christ the whole time God is longsuffering toward him and giving that man a chance to be saved. It is what Paul described back in Romans 2:5, "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God."What is Paul saying in verse 22? He is asking, "What if God did put up with a character like Pharaoh, whom He had determined to judge? What do you have to say about it?" If you're smart, you'll keep your mouth shut about it. God knows better than us, it's that simple. We are just stupid humans
>>18764461>How do I love someone I never met?Hello philip.
>>18766410>But God did give Pharaoh a legitimate chance to repent, and God did not harden his heart until he turned that chance down twice.Legitimate meaning>after 5th plague>"okay, I think I'll let his people go">"woah dude, 10 plagues are supposed to be 10 plagues, here I'll help you steel your heart">"wow, I nearly made a regrettable decision, Egypt would survive this 10 plagues, I'm sure of it">repeat until the 10th plague>"woah dude, you endured the 10 plagues and you're going to just let the slaves go? you should chase after them, I'm totally not God but your conscience btw">"T-thanks conscience, I'll chase after them">The thing is, everybody is born a vessel "of wrath."That's the opposite of what the verses say.>So when Paul says, "willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known," it has nothing to do with God damning a man against his will back before Genesis 1:1.Yes it does. He brings up Jacob and Esau to make that exact point.
>>18764440The book of Job
>>18766432The only way you can "fight back" is by making God look like a clown by giving a weird, twisted interpretation to these verses similarly to how that psycho calvin did.If the following is true:- John Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit sin- Is hated by God before he is born- Is predestined to go to hell before he is born- Cannot repent because God deliberately refuses to give him the gift of repentance- Cannot believe because God deliberately refuses to give him the gift of faith- Was not, is not and never will be loved by God in the slightest degree- Was deliberately excluded from the group of people Jesus died for on the cross so that salvation was intentionally and for ever put completely out of his reach:Then, how is it John Smith’s fault that he will end up burning forever in the Lake of Fire? It's not, and that's exactly why Calvinism is so stupid. It makes God a sick, twisted mind that blames humans for things that are not their fault. If you have read the Bible, and seen everything in it, do you really think that that's how God wants to represent Himself? You're absolutely nuts.
>>18766432Jacob and Esau most readily represent the nations of Israel and Edom in this instance (Esau himself never served Jacob and was in fact blessed despite his sin). Pharaoh hardened his own heart multiple times, so there's obviously an interplay here that many have refused to acknowledge.
>>18764461>Who is God?I AM is The Name, unto all generations.Bring me to you and explain.You also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.Who do you say I AM?
>>18766442>twisted interpretation>yeah god hardened his heart even though he wanted to change his mind, it literally says so>WTF YOU CANT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERAL ACKCHUALLY THIS IS A SUPER CONVOLUTED WAY OF SHOWING WE HAVE FREE WILL AND SHIET
>>18766442One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory—even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?>>18766443The logical conclusion is that Pharaoh was made with the desire to harden his heart multiple times but just up to a point where God would harden it for him because God's plot required it.
>>18766442Indeed. Calvinism is the logical conclusion of a single, omnipotent God and it is dreadful. Conclusion: either there is no single, omnipotent God, or He is dreadful.
>>18766405Ok then, keep on with your sin and hatred of God and see if that excuse will work in the day of your judgement. Who's gonna listen to you? The King? His sons? His servants? Who else there is for you to appeal to? Nobody can overturn his judgments. Who's gonna defend you against the Highest authority?
>>18766517>Nobody can overturn his judgmentsExactly.
>>18766523So instead of humbling before him arrogantly defy him?
>>18766525>>18766453
>>18764876What kind of retarded thing are you gonna babble out next? The creator of the nuke being more powerful than a nuke?
>>18764440Chritniggers are going to victim blame you and nothing else. They are full of hatred. Words mean nothing to them and hatred = love in their minds. This thread is proof of it.
>>18764496Have you met nature?Have you looked at the stars?Have you witnessed the complexities of this world beyond your ability to fathom or explain?
>>18766803>Have you met nature?>Have you looked at the stars?>Have you witnessed the complexities of this world beyond your ability to fathom or explain?
>>18764440You don't have a hard life, I have a hard life, because everyone around me believes the lives of Freemasons and Satan like that the Earth is a spinning ball
>>18766803This is how we know Marduk created the world from Tiamat's corpse.
>>18766810Jeremiah 50:2-3“Declare among the nations and proclaim, set up a banner and proclaim, conceal it not, and say:‘Babylon is taken, Bel is put to shame, Marduk is dismayed.Her images are put to shame, her idols are dismayed.’“For out of the north a nation has come up against her, which shall make her land a desolation, and none shall dwell in it; both man and beast shall flee away.
>>18767475Jeremiah 8:8
>>18764440Why did he give me a small pp?
>>18767632You should always write the verse you are quoting. And I'm not a Jew.
>>18767834>hasn't memorized every verse in his jew book yetngmi
