I normally don't say this often, but this is one of those times where "thing, Japanese thing" is unironically warrented. They were mogged by superior conquistadores and only become better with more European influence over time.Why do Protestants glorify and even larp as them?
>>18768077Spaintimmy cope
also funny to consider that protestants bombed japan
>>18768127killing samurai and taking their women is quite the "cope"
>>18768077The only ones who glorify samurai are areligious weebs and Latinx I have no Idea where you got the idea it was "da protestants". Latinx tradcath larpers are obsessed with Japan.
>>18768164i thought latinx mainly obsess over dragon ball and some other shounen anime
>>18768077It's a more pure implementation of the idea of knights.
>>18768077Don't know. Japanese are bugmen just like any other Oriental, except slightly less dirty.
>>18768152That's not funny, that was Papal genius in the art of mass human sacrifice into meat grinders - one of their specialties, they were mostly heretics, and in that game, mostly is as good as it gets.
>>18768077The Samurais were a social class that may have been based on their ability to fight in war, but due to Japan's isolationatist nature had periods (often centuries long) where they enganged in other matters besides war (culture, politics,...). Nobody is saying that the Samurai, even at their peak of martial prowess, were the greatest warriors in human history, but they were nonetheless a social class that maintained their status for centuries which in a time where Military power translated to political power is proof enough that they had to be somewhat strong.A single out-of-context wikipedia statistic of a real event is not an indication that the Samurais were frauds. Especially when they were fighting a power that has been utterly dominating warriors worldwide with ease.I could also pull a medieval battles in which European knights got annihilated by peasants and say knights suck (see picrel where Swiss Peasanta defeated a numerically superior force of the best knights Europe had to offer by using their advantage in terrain). If it wouldn't have been a recent event, I could mention Operation Red Wings where U.S. special forces got annihilated by an Afghan Mountain militia and say that the U.S. Military always sucked. If you want to make a point, actually engange with the subject in a nuanced manner
>>18768465Samurai spent most of their history raping Japanese peasants, not fighting peer or superior powers.They did an invasion of Korea where they raped Korean women in the Imjin war.They didn't conquer any land except stone age Ainu on Hokkaido.That's pretty much their entire history.
>>18768481Obviously an Island nation relatively far away from the Asian Mainland is not going to fight many wars against peer states. So of course the Samurai were mostly fighting against each other. If they were incompetent, they wouldn't even have been able to leave their mainland to conduct an invasion of Korea, yet alone archieve a long series of tactical successes before losing because of logistical difficulties in whose situation no one could have done better. Again, I'm not saying Samurais were the greatest warriors or close to this title, but there is a reason why they earned such a fearsome reputation. You don't have to be contrarian just because a bunch of retarded weebs exist.
>>18768127Spaniards are brown Catholic bvlls Sanjeet
>>18768169He's just a Protestant Timmy projecting onto latinx folx
>>18768495
>>18768077Stop memeing this shit. There's is no historical record of Spanish soldiers fighting samurai. The alleged Battle of Caguyan is based on the tall tale of an alcoholic Spanish sailor. No official military and bureaucratic account corroborates this story. >They were mogged by superior conquistadores and only become better with more European influence over time.Contrary to retarded modern views, the Europeans in Asia were smart enough to avoid open conflict with the regional powers. They were too small in numbers to present a formidable force, and in the few instances they pissed off the regional powers, they got swatted like flies. >Why do Protestants glorify and even larp as them?Orientalism
>>18768077The Cagayan batttle was fought against a group of Wokou, which were motley crews of both japanese and chinese pirates. According to the updated Wikipedia article, only a handful of them were ever Ronin. You're basically acting like a Caribbean pirate crew was actually composed of knights fully arrayed in beautiful plate armor because a captain somewhere received a title or two while working as a corsair for a kingdom.>>18768162The battle was fought in the Philippines against a band of pirates, so it is quite unlikely for there to have been any Japanese women around.
>>18768481Japan wasn't into fighting outside of Japan
>>18768077>What's so special about the samurai anyways?They looked really flippin' cool and for most people that was enough to sell the mythology. Otherwise, see: >>18768465 >>18768481 the Samurai were thugs, brutes, and dogs: great at killing underfed peasants, but would fold like paper against any kind of real, trained, disciplined, military force. Even the Japanese themselves historically agree with this point as the great success of the Meji restoration depended upon putting down these feudal savages and replacing them with a modern, regimented, and proud military that could take on comparative rivals.
>>18768481Japanese commoners didn't use surnames until the 19th century AD Meiji restoration when adopting the practice from the west and making up random surnames.Japanese women regularly cuckolded their husbands and slept with unrelated men including foreign Chinese merchants, because paternity was unimportant in Japanese culture since they had no surnames.Chinese used double character and single character surnames since the 1000s BC and segregated their women from male strangers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_compound_surname#Native_Han_compound_surnamesChinese double character surnames since ancient times includ Dongye 東野 (a name later stolen by Japanese in the 19th century), Ouyang, Sima, Situ, Zhangsunhttps://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E9%87%8E%E5%A7%93https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Zhou#Descendants
>>18768998
>>18768998Samurai practiced Confucianism retardConfucianism demanded strict gender segregation to stop male strangers from fucking your wife and to live in patrilineal clans and records your genealogiesIn Japan, samurai monopolised Confucianism for themselves, living in paternal clans and doing gender segregation while forbidding Japanese commoner peasants from keeping their women segregated or recording their paternal ancestryJapanese peasants could not bare arms or fight back against a samurai or insult a samurai. A samurai could fuck a Japanese peasant wifeIn China, every Chinese whether noble or commoners practiced Confucinism, live in paternal clans, recorded their paternal genealogies and gender segregatedChinese commoners did not let their wives bathe with male strangers unlike Japanese commoners who let their wives bathe with male strangers and get fucked by samuraiJapanese daimyo and samurai literally sold Japanese peasant girls into prostitution to Han Chinese men.Hideyoshi gave Japanese girls to Han Chinese merchantsJapanese Daimyo traded Japanese peasant girls to Portuguese men for saltpetre.Japanese samurai allowed Han Chinese men like Meng Erquan to become samurai and fuck Japanese women, Meng was grandfather of one of the 47 roninMeanwhile Japanese peasants would would killed by samurai for disrespecting them.It was legal for samurai to fuck/rape Japanese peasant women and the cuck Japanese peasant man couldn't do anything or he would be killed.Meanwhile Japanese peasants could not fuck samurai wives.Kabukimono Ronin samurai would openly terrorise and slaughter Japanese oeasants for entertainmemt.Japan lost every war to China before the 19th century Meiji restoration where Japan had Britain build the Meiji fleet for them in exchange for Japanese teenage girl karayuki-san prostitutes who serviced Chinese coolies and western soldiersJapan industrialised off prostitution money from 13 year old Japanese teenage girls
>>18769002In China, nobles were not allowed to rape free commoner womenIn Japan, samurai could rape random Japaneae peasant wivesIn China, peasants were armed with swords, spears, muskets, bowsIn Japan, samurai monopolised weapons and terrorised Japanese peasantsConfucianism glorifies gender segregation and secluding women inside the house and archeryChinese peasants practices gender segregation and lived in huge paternal clans like genealogies and were armed unlike Japanese peasants who were basically slaves of samurai and not allowed to guard their women or know their own paternal lineage.
>>18769003>who only liked poetry, calligraphy and various writings of sages like Confucius. And despised craftsmen and merchants putting them below farmers.Samurai practiced Confucianism and followed this hierarchy retard.Samurai also insulted merchants and craftsmenSamurai practiced calligraphy and read Confucian texts.
>>18769005The very act of having a seperate warrrior class implies that the majority of your people are not warriors but are subhuman chattel for the warriors.samurai monopolised Confucianism for themselves and refused to let their chattel (Japanese peasants) practice Confucianism and segregate their wives from strangers or record their paternal genealogies or even have surnames.
>>18769007In China, both nobles and commoners practiced Confucianism and recorded paternal genealogies and had surnames and gender segregated and carried weapons.In Japan, a Japanese peasant could not carry a sword in front of a samurai or defend himself from a samuraiA Japanese peasant had to let the samurai fuck his wife and kill him if the samurai felt he was insulted by himDescriptions of Chinese men grooming Japanese women to bring back to China as wives are almost identical to Afghan and Pakistani Pashtun men who bring white women back home to their countryThe Japanese wives were suddenly forced into strict Confucian gender segregation and locked up in the house away from male strangers once they were taken to China.https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1790/82/1790823299368.pnghttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18717418/#q18717421In Japan, Japanese commoners let their wives bathe along at public bathes in other menThat was forbidden in Han culture.This is just like those white women who thought they could still act like hoes and when their husband brought them to KPK in Pakistan or Afghanistan, they get locked up inside the house and not allowed to talk to a single male stranger.
Japanese men painted images of Dutch men fucking Japanese girls in the Edo period Tokugawa Shogunate.South Asians view this as a humiliation.>>18752782>the japanese concept of honour is extremely different from izzat their concept of bushido is driven by belief in their superiority,Wrong.First of all Bushido only applied to samuraiSamurai could kill Japanese peasants for insulting them amd have sex with Japanese peasant wives while if a Japanese peasant did those to samurai he would be killed.Secondly, Japanese literally prostituted and sold Japanese girls to foreigners while doing this.Japanese prostituted Japanese girls to Dutch men, called orandayuki-san. Japanese men even painted art of Dutch men having sex with Japanese womenAt the same time the Japanese flew into a rage and tantrum over the same Dutch collecting tolls from Japanese ships in Taiwan in the Hamada Yahei incidentJapanese litetally regarded paying toll taxes as a humiliation while not regarding foreign men fucking Japanese girls as humiliation.South Asian Izzat is literally centered around women and insulting other people's women and calling them whores in contrast to your own women.A South Asian thinks your women getting fucked is a bigger humiliated than a toll tax.
Russians actually smashed the Japanese on land in the Russo Japanese War, Japanese outnumbered Russians but lost more deadJapan used human waves against outnumbered Russians at Nanshan and the Siege of Port Arthur.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18717418/#q18717418Japan won the naval part of the war with its British built fleet funded by Japanese prostitutes (karayuki-san)Daughters of Japanese officers killed by the Russians prostituted themselves to Chinese men.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18717418/#q18717418Japan exported prostitutes before the war and was also a destination for Chinese male sex tourists right up to WW2Chinese men living in WW2 Japan continued having sex with Japanese women.Sadaharu Oh was born to a Chinese father and Japanese mother in 1940 in Tokyo.Japan never had Nuremberg laws banning foreign men from Japanese women.It was legal for Chinese men to fuck Japanese girls in Japan in the entire WW2And Japan never did what Germany did retard. Germans were more extreme in racial policies.Japan never banned non-Japanese men from sex with Japanese womenNazi Germany banned Jews and Gypsies from sex with GermansJapan never forced sterilised or aborted Japanese of paternal Chinese descentJapan literally had tons of children from Chinese male sex tourism with Japanese girls for centuries, Chinese men abandoned their bastards in Japan all the time.Hitler force sterilised the Rhineland bastards.Again you're a retard who thinks Japan has Nazi style racial policiesJapan never banned foreigners from sex with Japanese women ever
>>18769027Japanese school girls whose fathers were officers killed in Japanese human wave attacks in Russo-Japanese war at Nanshan and Siege of Port Arthur, became prostitutes for Chinese men in Japanhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=os0kDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA82https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RLViDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA86https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34774630https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsaihttps://cambridge.org/core/books/abs/japans-imperial-underworlds/treaty-ports-and-traffickers/D25A5A505B725271E94FCD358B0C8AD4https://cambridge.org/core/books/abs/japans-imperial-underworlds/embodying-the-borderland-in-the-taiwan-strait/45567A01B5F520DBC7C72A1C52D29FDDhttps://eastasianhistory.org/39/vos-foibleshttps://dokumen.pub/selling-women-prostitution-markets-and-the-household-in-early-modern-japan-9780520952386.htmlRussians used muzzle loading black powder antique Chinese cannon to massacre numerically superior Japanese at Nanshanhttps://www.gutenberg.org/files/56038/56038-h/56038-h.htm>But there is no stop. This is not reconnoisance; it is battle. The skirmishers deployed and well up, now the main line advances. Out from the trees on a dog-trot springs a battalion. It is going to try that griddle of death. The men dash valiantly on, agile fellows, intense as[76] fanatics. Now the hundred field cannon come into play. Most are Chinese of ancient date, some are modern, rim-firing. Smoke fills the plain. It is difficult to see. The torrent of lead is on. Snatched through the noise of firing you can hear great cries; they grow spasmodic, then cease. The firing slows. Soon only the automatic pops are heard. The smoke drifts off. The foremost man is there on the wire, gutted. He hangs, a frightful mass, limp on the barbs. Here and there a poor fellow is crawling, as you have seen some worm trodden on vainly seek its hole. Not a man of the battalion has survived. A thousand brave, faithful soldiers are gone. So this is civilized warfare!
>>18769027>>18769028Chinese leader Sun Yatsen had 2 Japanese teenage girl concubines in Japan during the Russo-Japanese war, Kaoru Otsuki and Haru Asadahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaoru_Otsukihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haru_AsadaRussians used antique black powder muzzle loading Chinese cannon at Jinzhou in the battle of Nanshan to slaughter Japanese human waves.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nanshan#The_battle>On 24 May 1904, during a heavy thunderstorm, the Japanese Fourth Division under the command of Lieutenant General Ogawa Mataji attacked the walled town of Chinchou (modern-day Jinzhou District 金州), just north of Nanzan hill. Despite being defended by no more than 400 men with antiquated artillery, the Fourth Division failed on two attempts to breach its gates. Two battalions from the First Division attacked independently at 05:30 on 25 May 1904, finally breaching the defenses and taking the town.[4]>With his flank thus secure, General Oku could then commence the main assault on the entrenched Russian forces on Nanshan Hill. The assault was postponed a day due to the weather. On 26 May 1904, Oku began with prolonged artillery barrage from Japanese gunboats offshore, followed by infantry assaults by all three of his divisions. The Russians, with mines, Maxim machine guns and barbed wire obstacles, inflicted heavy losses on the Japanese during repeated assaults. By 18:00, after nine attempts, the Japanese had failed to overrun the firmly entrenched Russian positions. Oku had committed all of his reserves, and both sides had used up most of their artillery ammunition.[4]https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RLViDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q&f=false
>18769027>>18769028>>18769030>>18248265>>18248298Japanese official documents on Chinese sex tourists from Nanjing (Nanking) in the 1600s and 1700s pumping and dumping Japanese teenage girls after getting them pregnant>As a matter of fact many Chinese seem to have worried about the education and future of such children. Huang Chê-ch’ing,12 a captain from Nanking, had a liaison with Yakumo,13 a girl from the Iwataya, and fathered a boy Kimpachi,14 his only child. In 1723, when he was 71, he returned to Nagasaki to meet his son. He then brought goods with him sufficient to take care of his son for the rest of his life and asked the Chief Administrator’s Office for a special permit to barter them.[55]This was centuries before World War IIChinese men from Fuqing, Fuzhou in Fujian province were grooming and importing Japanese women from Japan to Fujian, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434>>17164434Han men did sex tourism in Japan for centuries during Sengoku Jidao, Edo period and Meiji restoration and fathered bastard childrenLike Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Su Manshu's father, Sadaharu Oh's father.Sadaharu Oh was born in Japan to a Japanese mother and Han Chinese father in Japan in 1940 in the middle of WW2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadaharu_OhJapan never occupied entire provinces of China like Qinghai, Ningxia, Gansu, Shaanxi and Sichuan, west Guangxi, west Hunan, west Hubei, west Henan, most of Fujian, most of Yunnan, most of Guizhou, southwest Zhejiang, southeast Jiangxi, a big part of Anhui.
>>18769010A Edo era painting of a Dutch man having sex with a Japanese woman, painted by a Japanese man.I dare you to find a single painting like this from pre-modern China. It doesn't exist.
>>18769048Japanese schoolgirls prostitutes servicing Chinese men in Meiji Japan.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18717418/>>18717418Park Chunghee mass prostituted Korean girls to Japanese businessmenhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18744121/#q18745325>>18745325Imjin war rapehttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/>>16658070
Kys chang, no one wants to see you gibbering to yourself again
>post in thread>look at it in the catalog hours later, has tons of replies>"wow surely there must have been lot of highbrow discussion or at least an amusing retard fight">it's just this particular spammer spewing nonsense once againbeen happening way too often for far too longalso, shouldn't you be doing your anti-iberian routine instead? you do realize wokou pirates included chinese men too right? therefore OP is technically talking shit about glorious zhongguo as well ya know
>>18768162Ronin are masterless warriors, they have literally nothing but their weapons and armor to their name. No families, no wealth. These ones in particular were marauding pirates living in the Philippines, so "their women" were just a bunch of Filipinos they enslaved.
>>18768510Spaniards aren't from obscure mutted Aztec villages with tin roofs Miguel
>>18768582What the hell were they smoking over there?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1593_transported_soldier_legend
>>18769851https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14526196/#q14526410>>14526196>>14526410>>14526407>>14526409What if Phillip II actually authorize an invasion of China? I was reading a bit about these proposals in a book detailing the Japanese excursions in Korea and against the Ming Dynasty during the late 16th Century.Chinese merchants slaughtered Spanish governor generals Gómez Pérez Dasmariñas in 1593 and slaughtered Luis Pérez Dasmariñas and beheaded Luis and all his soldiers and Luis bragged he could conquer China with 25 men in 1603. Spanish ruled in the Philippines was only saved by Japanese exile Catholics and local Filipino tribesmen after the slaughter of Luis and his guard.In 1662, Koxinga's southern Ming remnant, the kingdom of Tungning on Taiwan sent one letter to the Spanish governor general of the Philippines, threatening him and leading the Spanish to withdraw its soldiers from the entire Maluku Islands (Maluku) in Indonesia in 1663 and lose it forever and withdraw and abandon Zamboanga on Mindanao for decades.
>>18770492It gets even funnier:The guy who planned on conquering China for Spain was Luis Perez Dasmarinas, Governor of the Philippines in the late 1500s and a wannabe conquistador who wanted to be like his early 16th century idols like Cortez or Pizarro.In reality, he was fucking pathetic as Philippine Governor:>Tried fighting Southern Moro Muslims & got booted off.>Forced to end his Muslim Campaigns when Toyotomi Hideyoshi threatened to invade the Philippines if Spain didn't stop sending missionaries.>Dasmarinas panicked, and took every Spanish soldier to Manila to defend the capital.>Hideyoshi invaded Korea instead, but all soldiers were in Manila, Muslim Moros raided & enslaved Spanish subjects who were left defenseless.>In 1593 Dasmarinas announced his plans invade China for Spain.>He thought Cambodia was a nice place to start since Khmers were weak..>Ridiculously fucking lost to the Cambodians who were undergoing the worst period in history: the Khmer Dark ages.His term as governor ended in 1596 but he remained in the Philippines to pursue his conquistador dream so his retardation continued.>1596.>He attempted another expedition to Conquer Cambodia.>His fleet got blown off-course by a typhoon and landed near an Island near Macau.>Portuguese got pissed off and attacked the expedition, driving it back to the Philippines.Dasmarinas met his end in 1603 when the Chinese merchants & immigrants in Manila rebelled against racist Spanish decrees. After 20,000 Chinese rebels- just mere peasants & rebels- surrounded Manila, Dasmarinas demanded that the Spanish should counterattack, but the new Governor told him to wait for reinforcements instead. Dasmarinas got pissed off, yelled "TWENTY-FIVE SPANIARDS ARE ENOUGH TO CONQUER ALL OF CHINA" and sallied out with like a hundred men.The Chinese peasants merely lured him into a swamp and slaughtered his conquistadors piecemeal. His head was propped up in the siege lines the next day.Filipino Filipinos
>>18770494Ming China defeated Portugal in every battle and Chinese civilians killed Spanish governor general Gomez Pérez Dasmariñas in 1593 and his son Luis Pérez Dasmariñas in 1603.Southern Ming under Koxinga forced Spain to withdraw from Molucccas in 1663 and threatening to invade Manila in 1662.Ming defeated Dutch in Penghu Pescadores in 1624, Liaoluo bay in 1633 and Taiwan in 1662Dutch defeated Spain in San Salvador Keelung in1642.Ming China defeated Portugal at Tamão (Tuenmen) in 1521, Veniaga (Qiancaowan) in 1522, Dongshan peninsula and Liampo (Shuangyu).While Portugal defeated Japan at the battle of Fukuda Bay.In 1603 Chinese were slaughtering Spanish like rag dolls.Then hordes of Filipinos who outnumbered Chinese ten to one came to save the surviving Spanish.It's hilarious how Spics falsely try to present this as a few hundred Spanish defeating tens of thousands of Chinese.Chinese civilians massacred Spanish professional troops in both 1593 and 1603.In 1603, the Filipinos outnumbered the entire Chinese population of Manila's Parian ghetto by multiple times.
>>18769010The Portuguese literally smashed the Japanese in battle at Fukuda Bay and the Nossa Senhora da Graça incidentPortugal ruled Nagasaki from 1580-1587The Dutch militarily supported Tokugawa Japan against Catholic rebelsLater America (Theodore Roosevelt), Britain and Jews like Jacob Schiff supported Japan against Russia. Britain built Japan's Meiji fleet and Jews gave Japan emergency loans.Japan exported hundreds of thousands of teenage Japanese girl prostitutes (karayuki-san) to China and SEA who servied Chinese men and sent remittances back to China to funds ti s economy
>>18770514https://x.com/cl_phipps/status/1329828949644505089Japanese Prostitutes in the North American West, 1887-1920 https://uwapress.uw.edu/book/9780295743639/japanese-prostitutes-in-the-north-american-west-1887-1920#.X7fzTDaPIfU.twitterhttps://x.com/TristanGrunow/status/1329897456163717120This is an important work indeed! It was my privilege to interview Dr. Oharazeki for the #Meijiat150 Podcast. You can find the episode (and full transcript) here: https://meijiat150.arts.ubc.ca/episode-61-dr-kazuhiro-oharazeki-setsunan/Quotehttps://x.com/Khazarjude/status/1310322994296713218From the correspondence between the Portuguese King João III and the Vatican Pope, it is apparent that the Christian daimyo sold women into slavery in exchange for the Jesuits' gun powder, at a rate of 50 baptized Japanese girls for a barrel of saltpeter.http://katanacenter.com/Christianity%20in%20Japan%20-%20The%20Japanese%20Christian%20Samurais%20history.htmlhttps://x.com/sanitos/status/1467297973692518401Japanese women karayuki-san prostitutes in British Singapore, 1904. Meiji & Taishō era Japan exported hundreds of thousands of Japanese girls as karayukisan prostitutes to China, Australia, US, Canada & western colonies in Asia & Kenya to provide sex to male Chinese coolieshttps://x.com/MarieYasunaga/status/134556385432403148912hrs recording of an interview with a karayuki-san, Japanese women sold and transported to South Asia to work as prostitute.Rare interview tapes with Japanese 'karayuki-san' prostitute in Singapore surface - The Mainichihttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20201230/p2a/00m/0na/016000chttps://x.com/mellyindria/status/8385794494439424Karayuki-san, first japanese wmn went overseas to singapore, she was a prostitutes (13 yo) http://plixi.com/p/59436241
>>18770492>>18770494Do you get the idea that Spain´s minimal forces in Filipinas were not elite soldiers (the elite soldiers were in Europe fighting other countries with the Tercios) ?And 60-70% of the Spanish forces in Filipinas were mexican txacaltecas and others. So even with this they owned Filiipinas for centuries and avoiding islam to control all of it. If the Spanish Tercios had been sent to Filipinas they would have destroyed any asian army with ease.
>>18768077The samurai were largely ass at navy warfare. But in land combat, they were well regarded and fielded some of the largest armies of the time.
>>18770514For first encounters, it was rather peaceful. The Portuguese had contacts with the wokou, which were mostly Japanese. The Shimazu clan had literal blood ties with themhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Zhi_(pirate)
>>18771421The Japanese gave a Japanese girl named Wakasa to a Portuguese as a sex slaves to show the Japanese how to make the Tanegashima arquebus.
>>18768077The Samurai were basically the biggest badasses in a tiny pond. If you look at them in isolation, they are cool. But they have absolutely NOTHING on the European Knights, who actually had to constantly fight each other and very different foreign cultures with their own supreme martial variations like the horse archer nomads, arab light and heavy cavalry and over the years were organized, well equipped and strong infantry formations. Lots of people forget, but knights were also a warrior class, who were trained from birth like Olympian athletes. They had better armor, weapons and comparable training, if not better, because of all the treatsies that were written about every single aspect of dueling, wrestling, etc.
>>18768077Has to do with the same reason people glorify knights, a romantised view of a warrior case which you can tell stories about and reference back to in culture and politics.Also has to do with how japan was one of the unconquerd and over all not humiliated non european peoples durring the age were practically all of the world was subjugated by europe. The Russo-japanese war placing them on largely equal footing with europeans in the popular conception until the end of ww2 (they regained that status again economically however). Granted this was due to european influence but it allowed the preservation of the Japanese identity and thus the preservation of samurai in the popular zeitgeist.Pic says little about the samurai over all, ronin were basically hedge knights in a european equivalent while 1600 century samurai would have been a more modernised force like the black army of Hungary.More than anything though samurai romantisation is more of a renaissance born out of japan as one of the world's largest economies. This is ultimately why the conquistadors though more influential than samurais dont get the same romantised legacy, because spain and protugal are economically on par with eastern Europe today.
>>18772616Wrong, see >>18769028 >>18769030 >>18769031 >>18769048
>>18772616https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14314650/#q14325663The Russians performed militarily superior to the Japanese on land. Outnumbered Russian soldiers slaughtered numerically superior Japanese human wave attacks at the battles of Nanshan and siege of Port Arthur, the Japanese outnumbered the Russians massively and suffered bigger death tolls and their only tactic was human waves.Japanese soldiers also used human wave attacks against Chinese soldiers in trenches at the battle of Beicang and suffered a higher death toll than the Chinese.Japan supplied over 100,000 Japanese girls as Karayuki san prostitutes to China, to the Russian far east in Siberia, to western colonies in Southeast Asia including French Indochina, Philippines, Dutch East Indies, British Malaya, Singapore, Borneo, British India, British East Africa (Kenya), Australia, western Canada and the western US coast (ameriyuki-san)the Japanese girls who serviced the Dutch earlier were called Oranda yuki san. Karayuki san means "miss gone to China" and referred to Japanese girls who sexually serviced Han Chinese men.Those karayuki san prostitutes remitted money to Meiji Japan to help industrialize them and they serviced both Chinese coolies and western British soldiers and French soldiers. and the Karayuki san prostitutes acted as spies, spying on their Chinese clients and Russian clients during the wars against China and Russia.Japan had the Fugu plan during World War II, gave shelter to Jews and wanted to give Jews control of the economy of East Asia.Jewish engineers like Jerome Lemelson worked for Sony and helped them develop camcorders and walkman audio players.Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu helped build the atomic bomb in the Manhattan project. Qian Xuesen helped work on ballistic missiles. His cousin Qian Xueju (Tsien Hsue-chu) helped design aircrafts and work on jet engines and his son Roger Tsien was a biochemistry professor who got the nobel prize. Wong Tsu(Wang Zhu)Boeing
Aw sweet, schizo chinkspamming
>>187680771: Aesthetics2: They're foreign, which makes them seem cooler than comparable European knights3: OMG It's just like my Japanese anime! Katana folded a gajillion times can cut through literally anything! All Samurai were honorabu exemplars of nobility and honor!
>>18772578As I said, peaceful
>>18768442Wasn't Nagasaki Catholic?
>>18772646Ultimately the specific details of their victories and prosperity don't matter when it comes to the historical perception of them and material reality of their nation.The Japanese won against the Russians, no matter how they did it they proved they could beat a european nation. This defines not only the european perception of japan but also the position of japan in east Asia and in turn becomes material reality. How you win a war doesn't matter as much as the final outcome of that victory which in this case was japan occupying a unique role as a east Asian nation capable of beating a european nation.The methods of achieving economic prosperity again dont matter (and for that matter lay in the meji reforms, industalisation and american reconstruction not Jewish magic), only that it has been archived. People go on and on about the embarrassment or dishonour of each nation in history but history proves again and again that nothing matters except if you win or if you lose. Japan won against Russia, lost against China and won economically today. These all represent the actual metrics by which japan can be judged (rising power, failed empire, successful modern player). Human waves, prostitutes and Jews are just footnotes.This applies for all nations, Portugal and spain won early colonialism, failed to stay on par with later colonial powers due to institutional failure, faltered and stagnated in the modern age until they noe exist on the periphery of history.History only cares if you win or lose, conquisator glory or Japanese dishonour are footnotes, becuse they will be forgotten or reimagined based on who won or lost.
>>18772689>Japan won against Russia, lost against China and won economically today.But they lost economicallyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades
>>18768465Get you goddamn facts and reasoned thinking out of my /ahistory/ board.
>>18772701>"america is actually a econmic powerhouse in the modern day">"erm no actually" >links to the Wikipedia page for the great ressesionDon't be retarded, the world's fourth largest economy going through econmic stagnation doesn't make it a econmic loser of the modern day. Japan remains a econmic powerhouse despite its economic issues, as does america, china and germany. Portugal and spain occupy a extremely diminished economy compared to their historical peak making them losers relative to their own history. Japan relative to its own history has gone from a estimated ~200 billion to 4 trillion+. This makes it a winner it its own econmic history and makes it a econmic superior in the modern day to both protugal and spain.This board always insists on pulling out this or that military, econmic or cultural failure to ignore macro historical points and its extremely retarded. This whole thread started with some moron pulling up when a bunch of random wako pirates who were (mainly Philippino) got annihilated by a organised well armed group of conquesistadors as a gotcha about the Samurais position in modern culture as opposed to conquesistadors as if he couldn't put two braincells together and figure out its becuse japan is rich and had akira kurosawa make a bunch cool movies about them while the conquesistadors empire fell apart and japan surpassed both spain and protugal in nearly every metric.You are, hopefully, not a moron. You know why I call japan a encomic winner and econmic powerhouse. You know the lost decades did not turn japan into a African econmic shithole.
>>18772750>Portugal and spain occupy a extremely diminished economy compared to their historical peakYes, Japan has more bugmen. They're still better per capita
>>18772750>organised well armed group of conquesistadorsThey were literally MexicansMost of the crew in Portuguese ships in the Japan voyage were literally Indian too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascar
>>18772767Ireland is the biggest country per gdp per capita. Do you suppose the irish are now the economic center of the world? Does america tremble at the might of the celtic economist? Japan has more money, more people, more exports than spain and protugal combined. And if you insist on using stupid metrics a higher HDI than either. Spain and protugal have less people and recive gibs from the EU. What a legacy for los conquistadores.Again its this stupid point about plucking a singular event or fact and ignoring the glaring material reality of the macro scale. >>18772774>bunch of Mexicans and indians beat a group of Philippino pirates>a great victory for the spanish conquistadores (not present) over the Japanese samurai (not present)Your point being?
>>18772793>Your point being?Why do you care so much?
>>18772818I don't give a shit about the event. Just hate the /his/ retardation of posting>minor skirmish/anecdote>"this was equivalent to the battle of thermopylae, why does nobody talk about this history defining event"
>>18772822It's just a funny meme
>>18768077The Japanese struggled against European weaponry which could easily puncture their armor. Just read about the Madre de Deus incident, where a crew of Portuguese sailors literally killed hundreds of Samurai over the course of 4 days in an attempted revenge attack after the same crew killed 50 samurai in MacauThe event had such a deep impact in the region that they were still talking about it centuries later
>>18772578cringe Zhang >>18772667based gunner
