Is Christmas a Christian holiday or a pagan holiday?
Jól is a pagan (more specifically Norse) holiday which christrasites have culturally appropriated because their religion is so shit no one would convert to it without pagan elements.
Christmas is a Juseo-Muslim subversion of the Christian holiday of Jesus' birth, as is Easter an atheistic demonic subversion of Jesus' second birth.Notice how Christmas and Easter are all about bizarre atheist slop like trees, presents, bunnies, and chocolate eggs, and not Christ.Lol.
>>18769471>By tracing the priestly service of John the Baptist's father, Zechariah, and counting forward through the pregnancy timelines in the Gospel of Luke, some researchers estimate Jesus was born in early autumn, potentially during the Jewish High Holidays or the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri)>Other calculations and traditions suggest a spring birth, pointing to clues such as shepherds out in the fields at night, which typically occurred during the lambing seasonhttps://www.jewsforjesus.org.au/articles/when-jesus-was-really-bornThere aren't really any Biblical scholars arguing Jesus was born in the winter
>>18769471There is always the winter solstice - fall and rise of (insert deity) anaology. This appears to be where it all started, learning some astrology, looking into the sky for dieties...writers embellishment is nothing new.
>>18769474>>18769502>>18769570>>18769573Are you gonna force me to post the link wall again? We go over this every year.
>>18769471>>18769672It’s paganhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20141201/christmas-facts/The Holy Organization has spoken
>>18769676>It’s paganNopehttps://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2018/12/05/the-origins-of-the-christmas-tree/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41KXS-LWsY https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/12/07/the-long-strange-fascinating-history-of-santa-claus/https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/12/08/just-how-pagan-is-christmas-really/https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2021/12/27/no-santa-claus-is-not-inspired-by-odin/https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2020/12/18/how-was-saturnalia-celebrated-in-ancient-rome/https://historyforatheists.com/2020/12/pagan-christmas/https://historyforatheists.com/2016/12/the-great-myths-2-christmas-mithras-and-paganism/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHbOpS-N0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWgzjwy51kU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsctaPJSvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlF0gVedODE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Yvnhha4Sw https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/how-december-25-became-christmas/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWK0-ChLDjA https://historyforatheists.com/2024/12/pagan-christmas-again/
>>18769686Link after link of christcope
>>18769692I accept your concession.
>>18769686Debunkedhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-august-2024/
>>18769704Debunkedhttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/evangelizing-%60jehovahs-witnesses%60
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>>18769709Let's see how you like it when brown hordes keep on coming, your frail impish pale body won't handle it any longer. No Christian technology to help you. No faiths or signs. Don't come crying to us.
>>18769706Debunkedhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201502/priest-left-church-interview/
>>18769766Debunked https://chnetwork.org/story/from-jehovahs-witnesses-to-catholicism-conversion-story-of-lou-everett-jr/
>>18769471Pagan traditions fundamentally celebrating the winter solstice, but Christians moved the date slightly and rebranded the festival & ritual names. Yule log being sacrificed (christmas fire), evergreen wreaths and mistletoe (druidic symbols of life, vivacity and fertility), feasting, and decorative trees around the Winter Solstice (late December - early January) are Yuletide pagan traditions. It is a time of seasonal death and rebirth, celebrated as such throughout many civilizations before Christianity claimed credit for all of the traditions.>>18769723>Let's see how you like it when brown hordes keep on comingChristians are inviting them in, genius. "Muh children of god, all are one within the Holy Spirit!">Christian technologySuch as?
>Let's see how you like it when brown hordes keep on coming, your frail impish pale body won't handle it any longer. No Christian technology to help you. No faiths or signs. Don't come crying to us.
>>18769723>when brown hordes keep on comingYou mean Christians?
>>18769471Neither. It is not even a holiday. It is a capitalist opportunity. It is a cultural rite of consumption. It is a social distraction. It is propaganda and indoctrination for the young into the consumer culture. When people are more familiar with "Black Friday" than they are with "Bethlehem" you know the paradigm has shifted, just like it shifted from a winter solstice celebration to Christian dogma.
Joulu is mostly pagan.Heavy drinking and eatingAvoiding evil spirits or wild huntLeaving beds empty so dead have place to sleepLeaving food on the table even if people aren't eatingWelcoming the dead to feastSauna, sauna needs to be kept warm even afterwards so dead may batheFeeding birds, also the deadApparently a lot of kekri, halloween kind of day went to JouluThere is lots of stories about midnight mass where the dead killed or tried to kill someone.On christmas tree, it was banned by the church.Folk history for christmas tree comes from the time when people put spruce branches on the floor in christmas, not because of bible but to make floor comfortable and place smell nice and for beds.If you want christian yule then go tothe church, everything else has pretty much nothing to do with christianity.
Christmas is found nowhere in the holy bible. It’s a pagan holiday derived from Saturnalia and a human tradition against the commandment of God, so it should be abolished.
>>18770532>SaturnaliaBalto-nordic yule has nothing to do with that one.
>>18769471It's a Christian holiday. It celebrates the birth of Christ. The clue is in the name, you might have missed it because it's subtle: CHRISTmas. Any other deep, pressing questions I can help you with?
>>18770654Yeah. Where is “Christmas” in the bible?
>>18770656Luke Chapter 2. Next?
>>18770658Nope, no Christmas there. Try again?
>>18770689Lobotomy, now.
It's a Christian Holiday with Pagan roots and influencesPagans have a series of annual winter traditionsChristians have the birth of JesusEarly Christians syncretized the two under the auspice of said Pagan tradition simply being misguided celebration of Christ as part of a broader trend of syncretism between older Pagan tradition and newer Christian tradition as Europe Christianized
>>18770710I accept your concession
>>18770721>concessionMeds, now. It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to share this planet with "people" like you.
>>18769821kek gottem
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>>18770566Rome was incredibly influential even in the areas beyond its immediate control via institutions like auxilia, foederati, common trade, expeditions, etc.We (Nordics) underwent an extreme militarization of our culture in the exact same period as Rome started recruiting us as auxiliaries in very large numbers.
>>18770566I'm >>18771222 and I'm not the no-fun-allowed christfag you were replying to btw
>>18769471What is being celebrated on that day?
>>18770743NTA, but prior anon had the option to make a counterpoint. He’s the one who chose to say nothing of substance or event try to win. So he chose to concede. Not a difficult concept really. Perhaps you wish to employ rhetoric and make a try at victory?
>>18771333>NTA, but prior anon had the option to make a counterpointI gave him hard evidence and he said "nuh-uh!!!" then claimed victory. You should consider getting a lobotomy since you think that's a good argument that needs to be defended. Completely worthless brain. Again, it's extremely unbecoming when you try to think but lack the ability to do so. You'll never be a real person.
>>18771320the rebirth of the sun. northern eurasian peoples believed that the old sun dies on the night of winter solstice and a new sun rises next morning.
>>18769471The cross is, the manger is. But anyone who says lights on a pine tree is what it is about with presents is doing the part that Jesus Christ shed his own blood for.In the computer game elden ring, the entire story is about the belief of Santa Claus and the gifts under the tree from start to finish. You have Godrick and Margit at the start in Stormveil Castle. You have the Erdtree in which showers the Lands Between with gifts and those gifts are supposed to help people with the problems that come to the citizens of this world. You have maidens and lords following the Greater Will and people find that they become slaves to the Greater Will with the Greater Will to just become pawns to trying to slay whoever is the real elden lord. A bunch of elite class people were born as demigods and then Marika / Radagon became the current elden lord and the Two Fingers actually decided to crucify Marika in the throne room as a boss fight. Some of the demigods like Rykard became "lord of blasphemy." Elden Ring is basically a perfect excample of Christmas Commercialism Holiday and an entertaining christian themed sin all at once you can buy and play right now. The computer game is for the home for a desktop (like a Desk and an office/gaming room), but most people design it with a controller, even home made drones. Most people could use drones to fly different things to their family's house, but we still don't have things like this because it's mostly designed for controllers not keyboard and mouse like it should be (designed by home makers, for the home). Instead it is designed more for people who have a phone or VR (or the mark of the beast, a thing on the right hand or forehead). Star Wars originals showed people had Droids, but there was some major scary corporate control going on with them and actual good ones designed for the home were rare or even miracles like Arnold Swartzenegger Terminator turning good / actually having a conscience. It's about Jesus Christ.
>elden ring vidya christfaggery
>>18771320>What is being celebrated on that day?On Dies Natali Solis Invicti? That's a real headscratcher.
>>18769471>is the birth of Jesus a pagan holiday?No. But Jesus was born on 24 of December.
