The Old Testament is full of people "dying for a lie", so there's no reason for Christians to view the alleged deaths of the apostles as anything impressiveLot's wife chose to die by saltification instead of listening to the Lord's angels.Countless Egyptians chose to drown in the Red Sea for a lie. (They'd just witnessed the plagues)Moses martyred 3000 Golden Calf worshippers who died for a lie. (See above)Canaanites, who were given 400 years to recant, chose to die for a lie.Well, you might say, these people had just deluded themselves, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They didn't "see themselves" as lying. Cool, same with the apostles, then.But maybe these people never got a chance to recant. Cool, same with the apostles. Maybe they didn't get that chance either. Although the notion that Roman pagans were more merciful than God is probably not a hill Christians want to die on.But maybe the OT shouldn't be taken literally; this is all just a theological metaphor, and these people didn't literally die in the manner described. Cool, maybe the apostles also died for other reasons, then theological myths were created after the fact.Whatever symmetry breaks you might think exist could also apply to the apostles, because, as always, when discussing the alleged martyrdom of the apostles, I think it's important to note that: we don't actually know how or why they died.But I think it's interesting that Christianity generally operates along the principle that God is just, he's not punishing people for errors or lack of knowledge, the guilty really are guilty and are simply "rejecting" truths they know to be true. "Hell is locked from the inside." And yet apologists treat the martyrdom of the apostles as this completely insane, "no one would ever do that" situation, while simultaneously believing that it's a regular, documented occurrence. You know, it just happens to people they don't like, not people they do.
>>18771182Pic rel is me when I have to pee and the stall is occupied
>>18771182I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion
>>18771256And my followers will try and sell you both anyway.
>>18771182>But maybe these people never got a chance to recant. Cool, same with the apostles. Maybe they didn't get that chance either. Although the notion that Roman pagans were more merciful than God is probably not a hill Christians want to die on.Also persecutions of early Christians weren't based on what they believed about Jesus but rather their refusal to worship the Roman pantheon.
>>18771182>alleged deathsOY VEY DIS GOY KNOWS THAT THE APOSTLES ARE STILL SECRETLY ALIVE, SHUT IT DOWN NOOOOOOW
>>18771182>The Old Testament is full of people "dying for a lie", so there's no reason for Christians to view the alleged deaths of the apostles as anything impressiveMostly correct. It's impressive, the same way that Catholics dying for their demon worship is impressive. But it's not a good argument for Christianity because lots of false religions have martyrs.>Whatever symmetry breaks you might think exist could also apply to the apostles, because, as always, when discussing the alleged martyrdom of the apostles, I think it's important to note that: we don't actually know how or why they died.Sure. Catholics aren't Christians so I'm not sure why you're sperging out at them; They are basically the same as your neopagan LARP.>the guilty really are guiltyAbsolutely. You'll be judged for all of your perversions and every idle word you've spoken against God and his people. >"Hell is locked from the inside."Yeah, again, you're miming a debate with morons, not actual Christians. Every single person in Hell would take the chance to leave in a heartbeat; You'll wish you were never born within 60 seconds of waking up there. But you won't ever have that chance because God is going to torture you, forever, because he hates you.>And yet apologists treat the martyrdom of the apostles as this completely insane, "no one would ever do that" situation, while simultaneously believing that it's a regular, documented occurrence.Right, no mature Christian makes that argument. Only Catholic and Catholic-Lite Protestants and immature debatebros. Try again? Or you could just stop stoking the flames. But something tells me that tumor is flaring up. :)
>>18771991he's unstoppable
>>18771182>doesn't sound like you're trying to comprehend the Sacred Scripture.
