>God is the uncaused cause, he is the uncaused cause because he caused things but nothing caused him just 'cause>God is meaningful, he's meaningful because he means things because he's meaningful and that's why he existsIs there a worse philosophy out there than Apologetics?
>>18771615What kind of world we live in when a man cannot disipline his own wife? A godless society, that's what.
>>18771615Didn't this guy get divorced and remarried? Hard to feel bad for him getting raped by the world when he lived such a worldly life.
>Hi, I’m OP. I want to tell you why I’m actually a woman
>>18771615The unmoved mover argument makes sense, but because all knowledge rests on the observation of things, it is impossible to know anything about this unmoved mover, let alone whether or not it wants you to cut your foreskin off or get dunked in a bath tub.
>>18771636Apologetics is just taking Deist and Pantheist arguments and trying to apply it to their ancient Canaanite storm deity
It isn't a real philosophy, It's a series of trivial arguments masquerading as a philosophy. Philosophy is typically based on instrumentalism, which apologetics isn't.
>>God is meaningful, he's meaningful because he means things because he's meaningful and that's why he existsGiving them too much credit. Usually it's "God is meaning." I don't know what the fuck happens in christards' brain that they think saying a categorically mistaken platitude like this will create a God's not Dead moment.
>>18771616>dem atheists are why I can't be an alcoholic tax fraud that abuses his wife
Its pretty silly, alomost as silly as treating these idiots as if they are virtuous people. >the unmoved mover is what we say it is, because muh bible and feelings!>I feel offended and have no impulse control, therefore I will hit my wife, but its okay because Jesus forgives! Worthless philosophy. Critical thinking not found
>>18771615Name one thing in the universe that stands on its own / isn’t dependent
>>18771750The universe itself
>>18771770The universe? Meaning the totality of dependent phenomena? Aggregating dependentes doesn’t arrive you to independence. Ergo even the universe itself is dependent too. That was actually my next move.
>>18771750Chaos
>>18771771Why does the uncaused cause have to be an invisible Jew in the sky?
>>18771774Chaos depends on the conditions and interactions producing it. Unpredictability ≠ independence.
>>18771778>Chaos depends on the conditions and interactions producing itNo it doesn't. Chaos depends on nothing. Everything else depends on chaos for contrast
>>18771781Chaos requires an actual system with interacting elements and conditions. It doesn't generate itself independently. Are you from /x/?
>>18771750Why does the universe need an initial cause? Wouldn't it make more sense if it simply always existed? How come the universe needs a creator, but God doesn't? Isn't that special pleading?
>>18771783>Chaos requires an actual system with interacting elements and conditionsNo the universe does. Chaos exists independent of systems, elements and conditions. There is no limits to chaos like there are limits to our universe.Im from /his/ buddy
>>18771784I’m not talking about a first temporal cause as in a chain or a regress. I’m talking about the current ontological dependence of the entire geometry. Since the entire universe is dependent, it follows that the dependendum is independently self-established (divine aseity).
>>18771788Ok well you’re certainly not from /sci/.
>>18771792>Ok well you’re certainly not from /sci/.You're run out of ways to address the points being made already? This is disappointing.
>>18771799What exactly is chaotic without a system in question?
>>18771803Lack of systems and absence of order is what defines chaos in the first place, anon. You don't need systems for chaos to exist, rather its the other way around.
>>18771808In mathematics and physics, chaos is the behaviour of a dynamical system, not the absence of systems.
>>18771811>dynamical systemA system whose state changes over time, sure. Chaos is a constant state of change>not the absence of systemsWhat about the absence of order?
>>18771816Absence of order like disorder or entropy is a property of physical systems, not something existing independently of them. Without physical states, there's no entropy to measure.
>>18771819Alright then do you have a better term than 'chaos' to describe what lies beyond our universe? The state or process (older than our universe itself) from which extends the beginning of our universeI just say chaos because that's what makes most sense to me as a label for it. God never made sense in that way imo
>>18771823Singularity
>>18771829Singularity and chaos are spiritually the same thing lol
>>18771836Nah, you’re way off. A state has conditions; a process involves change and relations. Chaos was also shown to depend on other things than itself. But God, the Dependendum of all, is a unity.
>>18771842Singularities arise out of chaos
>>18771846Physical singularities depend on the spacetime geometry, matter-energy distribution, and gravitational dynamics that give rise to them. You asked about God.
>>18771851>Physical singularities depend on the spacetime geometry, matter-energy distribution, and gravitational dynamics that give rise to themWould you describe the process of a singularity as 'orderly'?>You asked about God.No I didn't, unless that's what you consider a better alternative term than 'chaos' to describe what lies beyond our universe. I was pretty explicit here >>18771823
>>18771750kek
