For some reason, this is always mentioned when we read anything about Indo-Aryans and their belief system. I never understood why this exactly would be the case. What do we know today?
>>18771847>Why do people say that Indra and Soma are loans from BMACBecause of figures like Witzel and his followers, and more recently Alexander Lubotsky. Similar to what Beekes did with ancient Greek, working with a "substratum" of a language whose existence is purely hypothetical and of which we have not a single written record or attestation inevitably leads to an argument based on ignorance and pure guesswork. there are no descendant languages, and bmac is used as a smokescreen to say that Indo-Aryan languages are the result of the so called "syncretism." terms of the supposed substratum can reasonably be explained by perfectly Indo-European phonetic rules. I always like to cite the word for "brick" that the substratum theory attributes to the architecture of the BMAC. But Buyaner demonstrated that it fulfills formal criteria to derive directly from an Indo-European prototype (*h2h̥1s-tó- / *h2h̥1s-ti-), linked to the idea of "drying" or "heating," in addition to archaeological support.Indra could be explained as deriving from the PII *índras, a concept derived from the PIE *h3eyd-, meaning "to swell" or "to become strong". As for Soma, it's derived from the root 'su' - to press. It also has PIA *sáwHmas - to press out, extract.
>>18771847>bmacDwarfs, grain eaters, and probably matriarchs who were obliterated by the Aryans and depended on the Aryans for tin smelting—virtually zero relevance in history. Pure rubbish.
>>18771891why would a farmer be that robust
>>18771891>I hate civilization What's wrong with you performative fags
>>18772157neolithic farmer "civilization" involved ritual cannibalism and torture of captured enemies by means of breaking their shinbones and letting them roll around in agony before caving their skull in.They also lived in communal latrines, their sleeping quarters were often in the same house as the sheep and goats and the latrines where they'd piss and shit for fertilizer.The Aryans did none of that stuff, they brought some deceny to these places.
>>18771847>IndraOnly the name itself is theorized to be borrowed from BMAC.>somaI think there's a PIE root for it. But even if it's a loanword, again, only the name was borrowed. And maybe the specific recipe based on the local plants. Soma has parallels in other IE myths. The most striking one is the mead of Mebd in Celtic mythology. Even the queen's name "Mebd" literally means "intoxicating one".
>bmactaught aryans how to smoke weed
>>18772157It's not the NTA, but the Andronovo were at a fairly significant stage of urbanization.
>>18772157A bunch of favelas made of mud bricks? No. Keep that trash to yourself retard
>>18772248 >Only the name itself is theorized to be borrowed from BMAC.No, that's not what the proponents of this hypothesis say. They say Indra was a bmac deity, but the hypothesis is unfounded. Both Indra and Soma are Indo-European. We don't know what religions or languages were spoken in these complexes.>>18771881
>>18772277This doesn't even make sense, where are you getting this information from? The use of cannabis has been documented since the Yamnaya.
>>18771881I just noticed that I didn't post the image. The list of loanwords "bmac" is nebulous and unreliable. this also applies to other concepts like fire worship or agriculture, which are both archaeologically attested in ancient Indo-Iranian populations like Andronovo and Sintashta. A critical analysis of these lists should be done urgently.
>>18772811Yeah fuck Witzel and his followers >>18772232Not all farmoids were the same the European farmoids were more noble and humane. These creatures from Central Asia were simply used as punching bags for the Aryans
>>187721501/3rd excess ANE ancestry in this site
>>18771847I doubt Indra is BMAC related as corollaries are found in Europe, Haoma is probably oxus derived.
>>18772842>Haoma is probably oxus derivedNo, it's not
>>18771847Indra is Jupiter and Soma is Bacchus
>>18772978Ephedra plant geographic location the Aryans used in rituals is Hindu kush/Afghanistan region
>>18773240No. First, you must prove that ephedra was used to make soma. Do you know something we don't? Or are you just repeating what you've heard somewhere? And in any case, the word for soma is not a loanword from a non-Indo-Iranian language. It's derived from the root 'su' - to press. It also has PIA *sáwHmas - to press out, extract, which again is semantically correct, considering that in the RV soma is made by pressing to prepare it. There are parallels to the practice of drinking soma elsewhere in Indo-European. There are no reasons to say it's "oxus" or bmac.
