So why should I not rape you?

>>18772867
Because it is wrong, because it is contrary to the nature set by God, and because the consequence of your conciouss action will be effected on you by God no different from electricity burning you when you grab a high voltage wire

>>18772870
Right. Now prove God exists and isn't a mere sock puppet for your subjective morality.

>>18772874
The world follows natural laws. Those don't change. Why? What makes gravity not suddenly double? What makes atoms not suddenly become antimatter? Why does 1+1 continue being 2 all the time?

>>18772880
You don't need an invisible magic Jew in the sky to posit reality isn't 100% random noise. 2 tries left before a concession is inferred.

>>18772897
>invisible magic Jew
nta but classic retard, firesquad analogy rapes you

religious larper law, the longer a discussion goes on for a religious larper is more likely to project their desire to rape and murder

>>18772897
Yet the consistent course history has taken favors the abrahamic religions. I doubt i will, with 100% certainty, have landed the exact religion, but i am convinced about the oneness of God, the evil in humans, their separation from that God. I see the world is fundamentally fucked in some way, that it wants to be something it cannot be, that it was originally intended to be. That makes me lean on Christianity, and thats about all i am certain of

>>18772915
>muh vibes
Doesn't prove God is real. 1 try left before a concession is inferred.

>>18772927
I concede

>>18772973
Wait fuck dont rape me

>>18772870
>electricity burning you when you grab a high voltage wire
this is not morality

>>18772864
> morality is a subjective and arbitrary social construct
Doesn't necessarily follow from "God doesn't exist".
> the purpose of society is to guarantee the survival of the species
This doesn't follow from either previous assertions.

> no form of sexual morality matters since it doesn't threaten the survival of society.
Rape threatens the survival of society. And anyway, why would one care if something objectively 'matters' or not. I don't care if my values are carved on some stone slab at the foundation of the universe, and I don't see why would you.
>You could say you don't like to get rape but what if a group of rape enthusiasts got together to form a society where rape is morally correct and they must rape to preserve their collective existence.
Such an arrangement would not last very long, I reckon. Rape (as in, violation) is a tricky word because by definition rape is a wrong act, if something is correct and moral, it is not rape.
>Then you have no argument
There is always force, which has proven more effective than arguments in these sorts of things.

>they will eventually be determined by survival of the fittest where only the most cynical and pragmatic conquers and exterminates the competition to mantain its existence
Oh noes! What a cruel and absurd world would that be. Thank God we don't live in such a world and Our Godgiven Values™ of levirate marriage, Strict purity-based Monotheism, and slavery have remained unchanging ever since the good Christians conquered and exterminated the evil pagans of wherever we live.

>mantain its existence, an existence that is meaningless and ultimately no different from that of an animal
And? It's not the universe's problem you want to be a special.

>>18772864
>it's simply your suvjective social construct against their subjective social construct.
Sad, but tru ;(
Can you handle it?

>>18772910
that law isn't airtight. my mother and father don't go around saying shit like that.

>>18772864
The argument is silly because it assumes that the only objection is moral.

>>18772870
>Because it is wrong, because it is contrary to the nature set by God
Chapter and verse? Deuteronomy 21 says I can rape a captive as long as I wait a month, and 22 says if I rape a woman and she doesn't scream for help it is assumed to be consensual.

Raped obviously denotes non consenting i.e. I don’t want it

You don’t need to believe in God object to someone forcing you to do something you don’t want to do.
>inb4 people are literally always forced to do stuff they don’t want, that doesn’t mean it’s automatically immoral. Children are forced to go to school, people are forced to pay taxes, conscripts are forced to go to war. Who are you to decide when the use of force to morally wrong.
Please don’t (You) me with a stupid argument like this
>but what if you’re raped when you’re unconscious and unaware of the rape, what is morally wrong about this without a Christian framework
Again don’t (You) me with a stupid fucking argument like this.
>someone sneaks into your home, sleeps in your bed, shits in your toilet, and drags their nuts over your pillow. You never become aware that this ever happened. Were you morally wronged?
Yes these are all fun hypotheticals that allow us to be pseudo intellectuals and make le edgy claims but at the end of the day it’s all a waste of time.

>>18772864
It harms survival because it disturbs society, and a rapebaby will 99.99% never meet his father.
ez.
R.E.T.A.R.D.

>>18773095
Exactly.
>risk of pregnancy
>risks of complications from pregnancy & childbirth
>stuck raising a bastard child
>daughter is considered “damaged goods” nobody want to marry her
>the loss of dowery from marrying off daughter
>risk of spreading STDs
>physical harm from violent rape
>societal breakdown, reciprocal violence

There are plenty of reasons rape is objectionable outside of moral/theological reasons.

Suppose I don't subjectively care about OBJECTIVE morality
What's to stop me from raping?

>>18773145
However, how do you square circle the problem of men not being able to obtain sex any other way? Granted the biggest rapists tend to follow in the footsteps of a Ted Bundy, well liked, high status shapeshifter, but social breakdown where the low status ones will take advantage of the situation is directly caused by sex virtually being the domain of high status men only. Resentment starts to build over time when only a handful of men get the majority of women. You can see this play out in history.