This is Abraham. This one man changed the history of the world forever. Say something nice about him
>>18773615Thanks Abraham! I love your God Abraham. :)
>>18773615>Say something nice about himWhy? He was a genital mutilating blood ritual cultist freak who created a line of the worlds ugliest ""religious traditions"". His supposed descendants are the biggest losers in antiquity, never inventing or building anything substantially noteworthy in the ancient world, compared to virtually every other neighboring civilization around them.
>>18773615He never existed. It's a usual ancestor figure.>This one man changed the history of the world forever.That would be king Josiah and his deuteronomic reform.
>>18773617>>18773619Seething
>>18773615whatifalthist is an absolute sperg but I really like his take on Abraham and Hebrew history. basically they were the bronze age version of Arizona trailer trash.
>>18773617Kike or hindu. Call it.
>>18773619>He never existedProof ?
>>18773619genetic studies have actually disproven this claim. there was a patriarch who lived around the same place and time as Abraham and he had a shit load of children/descendants.
>Proof ?Proof of absence? Kek. Prove the absence of Theseus. Nevertheless, there is inderect evidence.The name "Abram" means "Exalted father". A strange way to name your child, but a quite obvious way to call your mythical ancestor.He lived 175 years. Rather unrealistic to say the least.The text calls Ur "Chaldean". Chaldea is the name of the Southern Mesopotamia during the Babylonian Exile. It wasn't called like this when Abraham supposedly lived (2000-1800 BC).Story of Abraham mentions camels. They only appeared in the region in the 10th century BC.Abraham encounters the king of the Philistines. But they would only appear there in 12th century BC.Abraham was supposedly a monotheist. But Jews were typical Western Semitic (Canaanite) pagans. Monotheism would appear in two steps. The first is the deuteronomic reform, wich made Yahweh the main god of Israel. The second is the Babylonian exile, after which the Jews decided Yahweh is the only God.
>>18773643>>18773625
>>18773643There's one more detail. I'm not counting it as an evidence, but it's still interesting. The binding of Isaac was a moloch. Moloch is often misinterpreted as a name of God, but it actually was a sacrificial ritual which existed only in Canaan. During the ritual people would sacrifice their first-borns. Moloch is very well-documented in Carthage, which was a colony of Tyre, a city in Canaan. Carthageans even called their language Canaanite and generally were typical Canaanites religion-wise. This ritual didn't exist outside of Canaan, not even among Eastern Semites (Akkadians).So, the hypothesis is the Jews did have the legend of Abraham before the Exile. And in that legend Abraham moloch'd Isaac to make the contract with Yahweh. During the Exile, the Jews naturally got under the local culture's influence. The culture that abhored moloch. So, the exiled Jews, among other thing, modified and wrote down the legend of Abraham. They added several changes, though, like the monotheism and the abortion of the moloch.
>>18773621You must believe circumcision is "holy". >>18773624Abraham is the most significant fictional ancestor in Semitic cult mythology. If you believe in the cult nonsense spawned from Abrahamic traditions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) then you are larping as spiritually JewishAbrahamic prophets are pedophiles in all 3 religions. People who follow those religions defend pedophiles in real life
>>18773615It was cool when Melchizedek gave him some blessing. That shit will be driving Kabbalists insane until the end of time.His son Jacob was a dick, though.>>18773662Infant sacrifice is also attested in Syria for a period iirc. And also it's not certain what the Moloch was.
>>18773671>it's not certain what the Moloch was.
>>18773615Contained in St. John the Baptist.
>>18773662I have been coming around to the idea that Issac wasn't originally Abraham's son. Genesis 26 has a fairly concise and coherent story of Issac, and all of those details eventually found their way into Abraham's story. Abimelech even shows up in both of their stories.>>18773671Jacob was his grandson.
>>18773615Try to explain today that a voice in your head told you to kill your son, and see what happen
>>18773671>attested in SyriaSo, the Canaan-related population?>not certain what the MolochIn Carthage it was called mlk (read as /molk/, Semites didn't write half of the vowels). It's the same word as moloch (the lenition of consonants, including k->ch is a dialect feature of Hebrew). And the description of molk in Carthage is similar to the description of moloch in the bible. Iirc Ezekiel even says Jews perform moloch for Yahweh, though he frames it as a punishment.>>18773696>Genesis 26It's just a mirror of Abraham's story. The king, the well, the sister (wife).
>>18773643>The text calls Ur "Chaldean". Chaldea is the name of the Southern Mesopotamia during the Babylonian Exile. It wasn't called like this when Abraham supposedly lived (2000-1800 BC).Traditional religious authorship of Genesis is ascribed to Moses, not Abraham. So if trying to challenge the traditional religious view, you should be focusing on whether it would have been anachronistic in the time of Moses rather than someone contemporary with Abraham.
>>18773860Chaldeans didn’t even exist in Moses’ time and if it were truly divinely-inspired, it should not contain historical inaccuracies. All analysis points towards it being written in the aftermath of the Babylonian exile which actually lines up with Porphyry’s argument that Ezra was the real author of the Torah
>>18773615>Say something nice about himI wish his father killed him once he started to became a schizo that wants to mutilate his body (circumcision), sacrifice his sons and do incestous.>>18773616Your god has no foreskin, anon.
>>18773866>Chaldeans didn’t even exist in Moses’ timeProof ?
>>18773643>A strange way to name your childIt was prophetic>He lived 175 years. Rather unrealistic He lived chronologically close to the original human perfection in Eden>The text calls Ur "Chaldean". Chaldea is the name of the Southern Mesopotamia during the Babylonian ExileIt’s where Chaldeans lived at the time of Moses>Story of Abraham mentions camels. They only appeared in the region in the 10th century BC.Debunked a long time agohttps://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011444>Abraham encounters the king of the Philistines. But they would only appear there in 12th century BCWrong. There were Philistines before that>Abraham was supposedly a monotheist. But Jews were typical Western Semitic (Canaanite) pagans.Apostate Jews were polytheists, faithful Jews were monotheistsNext.
>>18773667>muh pedophilesAOC laws were created by American feminists in the 19th century mad that men would date, marry and fuck younger girls instead of settling for used up walled hags.Do you bow to women? That's far worse than wanting to fuck prime virgin pussy.
>>18773866Actually, the it just points to Ur being located further North, near Haran, where the Chaldeans would have actually been prior to the Babylonian period. >In 2024, Japanese Assyriologist Daisuke Shibata published two tablets from Middle Assyrian archives that mention the Kaldu, the Chaldeans, as far back as 1110 BCE. Local traditions near Haran identify Urfa as biblical Ur. The tablets also identify a place called Ura, that could be referring to Urfa.
>>18773876>He lived chronologically close to the original human perfection in Eden1800 BC is literally the height of the Bronze Age and humans absolutely did not live for centuries in that time
>>18773876>Apostate Jews were polytheists, faithful Jews were monotheists“Faithful Jews” did not exist because there is no real evidence of a complete Torah existing prior to the 2nd century BC. It’s a Hellenistic forgery written in Alexandria
>>18773889The Chaldeans quite literally did not exist in the time of Abraham
>>18773899Adam was created in 4026 BC. >>18773901Faithful Jews existed ever since the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I don’t know who you are trying to fool here
>>18773905Proof ?
>>18773615Judaism, Christianity, and Islam will not exist in 10 years.>>18773912Adam and Eve and the garden of eden are not real.
>>18773915Proof ?
>>18773872>>18773876Moses lived (according to Christian tradition) somewhere between 16th and 13th centuries BC. Chaldeans came to Southern Mesopotamia in 10-9th centuries BC.>There were Philistines before thatprove>Debunked a long time agoIt says the camels were in Southern Arabia. Also, wild camel ≠ domesticated camel. In 2000BC the beast of burden in Mesopotamia was the donkey. No evidence for domestic camels in Canaan or Mesopotamia.>>18773889Still, much after Moses' supposed lifetime.
>>18773882Hey goyim pedophile defender, I'm not talking about age of consent laws..
>>18773923There are human civilizations that are older than what Genesis says the age of the earth is.
>>18773937Proof ?>>18773924Proof ?
>>18773947When did Moses live? When did the Flood happen?
>>18773947>Proof ?Gobekli tepe
>>18773951Moses = 1593 BC - 1473 BCFlood = 2370 BC>>18773957What’s your proof it’s older than Adam ?
>>18773968Not that anon but Gobekli Tepe was built between 9,600 to 9,500 BCE. Archaeologists figured out the age and construction timeline of Göbekli Tepe primarily through radiocarbon dating of organic remains (such as charcoal, soil layers, and bone fragments) combined with stratigraphic analysis (the study of distinct layers of earth and debris)Proof of Moses?
>>18773934What's the issue with being a pedophile then? Do you worship women and want to obey them?
>>18773996>What's the issue with being a pedophile then?It's harmful to children, abusive and immoral>Do you worship women and want to obey them?Do you worship a dead Semitic prophet?
Quite possibly doomed the human species to an eternity of religious fanaticism. A thousand deaths is not enough to punish him
>>18773968>Moses = 1593 BC - 1473 BCNo mention of Chaldeans before 11th century BC>Flood = 2370 BCThe fifth dinasty of Egypt was building piramides and was unaware of the flood.
>>18773726>It's just a mirror of Abraham's story. The king, the well, the sister (wife).That is the intended read of the final composite work, but all those things were part of Isaac's story before they were part of Abraham's.
>>18774039You propose the story of Abraham and the story of Isaac were independed at first? Like, Abraham moloch'd his unnamed son to make pact with Elohim, and Isaac was minding his own business with desert wells? And then the stories merged? An interesting take, and it alignes with the documentary hypothesis.
>>18774057*independent
>>18774007NTA, but it's entirely possible that the mention of Chaldeans was a proleptic anachronism. The oral tradition evolves as generations pass.
>>18774057I am more of a supplemental hypothesis than a classical documentary hypothesis kind of guy, but essentially yes. I think Isaac and Abraham were independent independent figures, Isaac's actions were given to Abraham to make him a more substantial figure. This was done sort of awkwardly and clumsily, as an example you see with the sister-wife story which happens to Abraham twice. 26 also clumsily attempts to connect the two with lines like its two first verses where it wants to make explicit the famine is not the same famine Abraham experienced and that Isaac shouldn't go to Egypt even though it was never suggested he intended to.
>>18773999No, I'm an Aryan. Aryan kings fucked mares and girls after the menarche.
>>18774074Cool story bro. What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?
>>18774007>No mention of Chaldeans before 11th century BCYou just committed the worst blunder in historical science, assuming something didn’t exist before being mentionned>The fifth dinasty of Egypt was building piramides and was unaware of the flood.Pyramids were built after the floodYou are not intelligent enough for this conversation, don’t reply to me again.
