Is it true she tried to justify it by claiming it was a deliberate rejection of patriarchal beauty standards rather than just, you know, her being a complete pig with no self-control?How is it even possible to lie that shamelessly? Feminists expect us to regard her as some sort of moral hero?
>>18780371She was Jew, lesbian and feminist. Match made in deepest bottom of hell
>>18780476>lesbianPossible but radfems have a very irritating tendency to lie about being lesbians as yet another pointless "fuck you" towards men
>>18780371Is she even that popular among feminists?
>>18780489Yes but they deny it if you start quoting her more batshit takes.There was also Mary Daly, who claimed virtually all men should be killed to "detoxify" the world. Feminists are fine with all of this (and why wouldn't they be, since its the logical conclusion to their ideology), but most are too cowardly to state it openly because all but the most henpecked men would start questioning why on Earth they should support this worldview.Not saying they should've been physically assaulted for espousing this hateful nonsense, but it's rather breath-taking how rarely this hatred is discussed even by those critical of feminism. It's all there, they want almost all men dead and no one seems to hold it against them
>>18780494And to follow up on this, even Hitler was not so explicit about his intentions towards the Jews in Mein Kampf. It should give all male feminists pause
Andrew Sullivan completely BTFOd her and rightoids, proving the radfem-rightoid horseshoe btw:>Many on the social right liked Andrea Dworkin. Like Dworkin, their essential impulse when they see human beings living freely is to try and control or stop them—for their own good. Like Dworkin, they are horrified by male sexuality, and see men as such as a problem to be tamed. Like Dworkin, they believe in the power of the state to censor and coerce sexual freedoms. Like Dworkin, they view the enormous new freedom that women and gay people have acquired since the 1960s as a terrible development for human culture."
>>18780500Dworkin sounds based here
>>18780494The average woman who identifies as feminist has likely never heard of Dworkin (let alone Daly).
>>18780506>already playing dumbI hate feminists so goddamn much.
Dworkin is more proof of why pedophilia is bad than anything. Uh...don't molest kids because they'll turn into damaged spiteful mutants like her?
>>18780512NTA but I don't think it is a stretch to say the average woman who identifies as a feminist(most of them) has not read very much or any feminist literature and is not aware of an author who has been dead for 20 years and was most prominent even longer ago.
>>18780515even if in the end she was right that Ginsburg was a certified sick fuck child rapist
>>18780512Not a feminist but it's true. Women are feminists because it's in their interest to fuck chad. They're naturally against sexual socialism. Dworkin is a somewhat obscure figure and the average woman doesn't share her spiteful lesbian motivations.
>>18780371if ozempic existed during her time the fat bitch would have pulled an Amy Schumer.
>>18780529there are pro- and anti-sex feminists
>>18780528That infamous exchange is often quoted as an example of what a badass Dworkin supposedly was, but if anything it just demonstrated her moral cretinism and complete lack of magnanimity (if you touch my private parts nonconsensually you should be killed!)Rape is - obviously - a terrible crime and it's understandable she and other victims would want their rapists dead, but no one with a functioning conscience actually believes the death penalty is the proportionate punishment. I think so much of it just stems from how vain feminist women are; they basically do view themselves as walking Goddesses and can't understand why men won't treat them as such, when they simultaneously tall about how virtually all men should be killed because of the crimes of a tiny minority (the same ones they invariably suck up to if they're attractive). It's very difficult to take such a group of people seriously as moral authorities
>>18780544rape has been a capital offense in many times and places, in fact in USA until 1970s there were states that it carried death penalty
>>18780529>They're naturally against sexual socialism.Yet they scoff at the idea of actual socialism, because they expect men to subsidise their existence for free.Sooner or later, struggling men are going to decide that women's feelings don't actually matter a great deal, when they understand how deep women's contempt is for their own struggles. What I find so interesting is how utterly unwilling feminist women are to face up to this, even though it's so obviously what we're hurtling towards
>>18780552>until 1970sYup and there's a reason that changed. Yet again, Dworkin revealed herself to be a narrow-minded conservative and no revolutionary
>>18780371Nah. She was just thick.
>>18780552that had more to do with Southern states using it as a means of legal black lynching since those cases were nearly always a black man executed for the rape of a white woman and the Supreme Court said that violated the equal protection clause
>>18780588In fact you're not actually right. The Court's ruling in Furman was that capital punishment statutes required all of the states to be in uniform agreement on them, so only first degree murder was permitted to carry the death penalty as it was the only offense which was universally a capital crime; as the states were not in universal agreement on rape, you were not allowed to execute people for it (if the states did all decide rape was a capital offense, then in theory it would allowable)
>>18780500based Andrew Sullivan destroying that baboon monster and her sick ideology
>>18780506>not true scotsman argument feminazis already trying dirty tricks in the discussion
>>18780592yeah so it was only southern states using it to execute negroes you can check it on your own and nothing more he's right and you are idiotic morin
>>18780588In fact the last person executed for rape in the United States was white.
>>18780371She was based af and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>18780371She didn't dworkout. She hardly dworked at all.
Has anyone told her she should smile more?
>>18780816I MADE EXACTLY THE SAME CONNECTION AHAHAGod bless you, anon
>>18780500Libertardians are so gay.>muh heckin power of the state to stop me from eating shit from my boyfriend's ass!
>>18780863>In 2001, it came to light that Sullivan had posted anonymous online advertisements for unprotected anal sex, preferably with "other HIV-positive men".Holy shit I was right.
>>18780870still much less than outright promoting of pre natal murder and death culture like fat baboon did
>>18780371She was the Mother Theresa of disgusting mentally retarded South and Southeast Asian feminists which Uncle Basheer diddled once too much
the real question is why do we give these people a soapbox instead of just banishing them to the asylums like think about entire college departments revolve around their literature if that is not a signifier of a sick society I don’t know what is
>>18781161because they are physically and mentally weaker and therefore they deserve to get full power to destroy society it was present since 1950s but only lately become visible so much you cannot ignore it
>>18781161we closed mental hospitals down. we have to warehouse nutcases somewhere so college departments are an alternate place to put them.
>>18781161It's a mix of Western men letting feminist do whatever they want because they want sex and left wing activists piggy-back riding and supporting any ideological movement that destabilizes the establishment.
who was that other major feminist of the 60s and 70s that died recently, she was kinda good looking, her name escapes me, she admitted she did some work for the cia too
>>18780371Feminism has nothing to do with women's rights but rather an antimale ideology made by femcels, this is why its adherants are usually mordibly obese dysgenics
>>18781198in the women's suffrage days maybe it did but since the 60s it's just a vehicle for damaged molestation victims to take out their anger on the whole society
>>18781198That brand of 2nd wave feminism was usually made up by women who had been raped or molested at some point and developed a sexist hatred of all men as a result.
>>18781201Not really, is really an ideology of the frustated over Chad not wanting to fuck them back in high school
>>18781196Gloria Steinem. She got famous going undercover at one of the playboy bars(?)/clubs that used to exist and showed they were abusing the women there (shocking I know). So yeah she was good looking enough to be hired by playboy, which is funny to think it was so popular back in the day it had branded businesses.
>>18781202or, more accurately men who looked like their rapist. so it end up with how Jeffrey Dahmer was ass-raped by a black man as a kid and decided to get revenge by killing as many gay black men as he could.
>>18781204>She got famous going undercover at one of the playboy bars(?)/clubs that used to exist and showed they were abusing the women there (shocking I know).a lot of Playboy models died at early ages from substance abuse or suicide it sounds sad but it's a super-exploitative industry
>>18780371Ashkenazi genetics.Some people are genetically predisposed to obesity. They can lose weight, but they have to work harder to do it. At the end of the day, though, calories in -> calories out.
>>18781212cf. Cass Elliott. she did have an amazing voice though.
>>18781209The entire sex industry is exploitive which is why I'm kind of amazed that 3rd/4th wave feminism is so pro-sex work to the point that they see it as a badge of honor to fuck for dollars
>>18781214Great voice. She shouldn't have tried to lose weight so aggressively.
>>18781209maybe, although to pick a random year it seems most of these girls lives turned out fine and they're all still livinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Playboy_Playmates_of_1982
>>18781221I tend to think the bunnies had it worse since they were just random hired help at Playboy clubs. actually posing for the magazine was prestigious back when print media mattered and would get you modeling or entertainment jobs.
>>18781201>in the women's suffrage days maybe it didYou're being far too generous to these parasites
>>18780489In the second wave, she was kind of like the Malcolm X of women. Hope that answers your question.BTW most people you see talking about porn addiction are unwittingly furthering Dworkin's musing on the matter. She really was an interesting character worth studying. Well, maybe not all that interesting. But a funny read all the same.
>>18780863>>18780870I mean just look at his face
>>18780494To be clear, women still espouse these sentiments, they just do it behind closed doors and in their little insular communities. I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that among most leftist type women, there is serious discussion about the positive effects of sexual abuse when directed towards men and boys. They mostly have the good sense to not repeat these things out loud, however they are pretty much 1:1 on the issue with gay pedophiles. It's part of the reason why Dworkin has some credibility in my eyes, at the very least that was beyond the pale for her.
>>18782634It's just fascinating the degree to which the entire ideology is clearly complete projection on the part of women, yet this is never acknowledged in the mainstream anywhere you look. How is there so little pushback against this from men?
>>18782634>I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that among most leftist type women, there is serious discussion about the positive effects of sexual abuse when directed towards men and boys.It's not like the men aren't consistently and persistently coming out about how they want to be raped by female authority figures.
>>18783328Because no woman fantasizes about that in the other direction, right?
>>18783328It's more bitterness of the part of these women. They feel that men have it easy and the ease of their circumstances inclines them to violence. The feelings of men on the issue, whatever they may be, matters very little. I wish it was more fleshed out than that and less petty, but it really isn't. You can talk to most radfem types and worm it out of them if you're really interested, they'll talk in circles around issues like circumcision or domestic violence, but it will eventually become clear that they just enjoy the idea of men being hurt, especially vulnerable men and boys. I think even at my most absolutely misogynistic I never once wanted to hurt a child, women have practically rationalized and intellectualized the entire machine of systemic abuse, in their circles it's no longer even up for debate.
>>18783811I'm pointing out that, by their own admission and in their own voice, the men support women in the rape of male children and unequivocally consider the rape of male children a laudable act that lamentably doesn't happen frequently enough.
>>18783965>>18783335
we all know radfems are broken women who were molested and want revenge on men who resemble their abuser
>>18783968Didn't you know that "men who resemble their abuser" are literally the same person as their abusers. I'm glad that such women are so aware of how much more empathetic they are than "men", and that they're willing to call out "men" treating womyn as a monolith
>>18783967It is known. Point being that whenever that's brought up, the male equivalent gets completely ignored.
>>18780371Not to give a cop out here but she probably just had some thyroid issue. She most likely had BPD and a lot of negative genetic traits come in a bundle. So, her being neurotic and disordered isn't surprising. She was just a spiteful mutant.>>18783968I know this is the story that gets told to make them see more sympathetic, but the reality is that most of these radfems just have a cluster B disorder. We know that people with BPD (and other cluster B disorders more broadly) can hallucinate/make up events in their life that never happened and get deeply traumatize by them. Cluster Bs are infamous for being pathological liars and believing in their lies.>>18783328>>18783989But this isn't really true. Most men are against child rape between a boy and a woman if we look at the data. A few horny men playing out their fantasies online isn't evidence of male support for rape.
>>18783965>the men support women in the rape of male children and unequivocally consider the rape of male children a laudable act that lamentably doesn't happen frequently enoughI'm sure, given what people on the internet repeat, you might get that impression, but realistically idle remarks should sort of be treated as idle remarks. Discussions on various forums and messageboards aren't really representative of what the average person wants for their son or daughter. When you filter it through that, or a similar qualifier, you get their actual thoughts on the matter. It can be argued, from this, that maybe the radfems who argue this point are not exactly serious people living serious lives, and there is some merit to that on a case by case basis, but they have an undeniable influence on the eventual abuse that does occur.
>>18780489She was pretty important for the hardliners. I respect her for being willing to go after Ginsberg and the other beatniks. They were just perverts that equated transgression with progress.
>>18780560Thinking that 'revolution' means allowing everything and being soft hands on crime is the type of retardation that infested 20th century leftism that we still having cured.
>>18783328except that never happens outside discord flooded online websites and you just show what you think about men subhuman Jew foid?
>>18780371Ugly ugly ugly
>>18784703>self-proclaimed thirdie feminist>is a pedo enablerwhat a shock just like those all male feminists who just happen to be pedos and rapists i hope you rot in deepest bottom of the jail sick retarded bitch
>>18780512They're women anon, they're not playing, they are dumb.
>>18783968>we all know radfems are broken women who were molested and want revenge on men who resemble their abuserfor a resemblance to exist for them it's enough to have a dick.
>>18780371I fuck with her because she took what she had which is very little and flipped that bitch NOW that's what I call capitalism
>>18784536That's a fucking fact. Dogma needs to be here to murder child rapists murderers pedo.scum and much more I'm not gonna have a debate on the ethics of touching kids that is going to be dogma u do that shit ur getting stabbed in the kidney and systematically left to die while someone butt rapes you there is NO discussion
>>18784536Ask a leftist what their plan is after the revolution and how they are going make sure the next people aren't just going to take over. Leninism won't work, traditional marxism won't work, mao won't work. How will you do it What is your alternative political and economic system how will you deal with trade let's hear it then faggot
>>18780371Did you ever see the caricature Nick Bougas drew of Andrea for EXIT (I think)?I have mixed feelings about Andrea but a lot of what she said about porn was remarkably prescient. I would prefer her lunacy to that of today’s alleged “feminists”.
>>18780500I like Andrew but he is a sodomite living with HIV, no? His life is basically a cautionary tale against “having fun”.
>>18780529When you put it that way, it sounds like they actually favor sexual socialism albeit solely for themselves.
>>18780588The fact that most interracial rape in the United States is committed by nigs suggests that it wasn’t some clever legal back door to “lynching”. It was a problem then as it is today and the South was correct to impose the death penalty.
>>18784536>Thinking that 'revolution' means allowing everything and being soft hands on crime is the type of retardation that infested 20th century leftism thatThat actually changed starting in the 19th century when brutal medieval punishments went out of fashion and the emphasis switched to rehabilitation of criminals.
>>18785699>Did you ever see the caricature Nick Bougas drew of Andrea for EXIT (I think)?Can't find it but I'd like to see it.>today’s alleged “feminists”Are direct descendants of "her lunacy". Stop pretending there's a difference, even women who produce porn view male consumers of it with utter contempt and won't acknowledge that they're the other side of the coin. There are no " sex-positive" feminists
>>18780371she ate the rich
>>18785923Found it!
