>Hitler wanted Albert Speer to demolish Berlin and construct Germania, a new mega capital city for Germany that would outshine all other capitals. >Includes The Great Hall (Volkshalle). The centrepiece of Germania. A gigantic domed building intended to accommodate approximately 180,000 people. Intended for enormous political ceremonies and mass gatherings.>The Triumphal Arch. An enormous triumphal arch at the southern end of the main north-south boulevard. Intended to commemorate German military history. Hitler wanted the names of approximately 1.8 million German First World War dead inscribed on it.>The North-South Axis. An enormous boulevard running through the centre of Berlin. Designed to connect monumental government buildings and ceremonial spaces. It would have fundamentally transformed the existing city.>The new Grand railway station. A gigantic southern railway terminal was planned. It would connect the capital to the wider European railway network both industrially and for passengers At the same time as making this mega city. Hitler planned to deurbanise the rest of the Reich. Reducing all other cities and “ruralising” Germany and its new acquired territories once conqueredIs this remotely feasible? Having one central mega city, then the rest of your empire is rural small settlements? Mostly focused on sgriculture or resource production it seems. While most advanced industrial factories and such would be in the Germania mega city Sounds like a bad idea
I do like alternate history shows that give visuals of Germania and the volkshalle etc. it always looks bizarre. The kind of classical futurism of architecture based on Roman Empire stuff mixed with the futuristic tendencies of the Nazis The Man In tha High Castle is a very mixed show I wouldn’t recommend because the ending is so bad but I always enjoyed the glimpses of Germania and the insane scale of the realised Speer architecture there. How it must feel to be in such a momumentous placehttps://youtu.be/GPk9fSLq-PIhttps://youtu.be/ozYxOZ3UhgsAlso just cool seeing the 1960’s style “nuclear war room” we always see in American movies and settings but it’s a Nazi German onehttps://youtu.be/e-hSENiKURA
>>18785375I've never actually gotten a straight-up source for Hitler's alleged megalomaniacal construction projects. Germania is obviously wel documented but there were others. >At the same time as making this mega city. Hitler planned to deurbanise the rest of the Reich. Reducing all other cities and “ruralising” Germany and its new acquired territories once conqueredDo you have a source for this? This is the first time I read this claim. Sure, some people in his government had a massive hard-on for the independent Germanic peasant-soldier. But iirc these elements mostly had power in the SS and were balanxed out by German capitalists who weren't so fond of that. And Hitler had plans for other cities in Germany, like Linz, or Munich.>Is this remotely feasible? Having one central mega city, then the rest of your empire is rural small settlements?No, but I'm not sure this was actually the plan. In so far as it can be said that the nazis had s plan for the future, anyway.Nazi government didn't actually work like a normal government in that regard.What are your sources for this?
>>18785375>Hitler planned to deurbanise the rest of the Reich. Reducing all other cities and “ruralising” Germany and its new acquired territories once conqueredWhat, where did you get this, Hitler was an ardent urban shill
>>18785386I recommend Wolfenstein TNO, you can watch excerpts of it but it shows how New Berlin is just one giant megacity and that London was also turned into an urban monstrosity
>>18785420He probably got it mixed up with something Himmler or Darré (or some SS random) wanted to do is my guess.
>>18785389Here is an academic source>Cross-Border Country Planning Dialogue in Interwar Europehttps://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/21582440156007>The Nazi planners devoted many of their planning efforts to the objectives of ruralization, a permanent peasant class, and new forms of community. The Third Reich advocated the dissolution of the industrial city and the promotion of Volk as key steps in the creation of an ideal national-socialist state. A central agency, the Reichsheimstättenamt, had been set up in 1933 to implement the Nazi resettlement policy. This agency aimed to reduce cities to a population of no more than 100,000 people, directing the overflow population to small communities in rural settings.It also notes that this ran into issues regarding productivity. Oppposition from large farms, industrialists etc. especially since they were still in war mode and couldn’t really afford to waste resources on this>Anti-urbanism remained a characteristic of Nazi planning. This orientation colored the settlement, agricultural expansion, and regionalization policies, particularly the Hereditary Farm Act and the Settlement Act. The Nazi planners wanted to develop alternatives to the centralized city in the form of (small) farms, smallholdings, and privately owned homes at the urban fringe with a garden (Heimstätte). Conceptually, these new communities served several goals. Designed as self-sustaining units in a regional vernacular style, they created a sense of Heimat, thus enhancing the “folkish spirit.” They had to alleviate the overcrowded cities, while providing much-needed employment and increased food production. Minister Hans Kerll, the head of the Reichsstelle für Raumordnung, also included the eugenic objective of increasing the “biological folkish-strength” (Volkskraft). The concepts of Lebensraum and Geopolitik defined the Nazi resettlement policies.
>>18785431Ultimately it seems clear this was the definite end goal upon victory in the east. Lebensraum in the eastern territories would involve ever spreading small scale settlements, not cities. Works well when you consider the permanent state of war against the east it was felt would become the natural state of being (as well as the feudal nature of how Slavs would be used as disposable labourers for German stakeholders in the east)The ruralisation plans for interior Germany is more around opposing modernism. They see large urbanised areas as inherently bad on many ways. “Unnatural”. Hence why you universally see things like lower fertility rates in cities compared to the countryside.
>>18785425Probably Darré because he was one the most Straightforwardly Völkisch and Nordicist Nazis. Or one of his type. They came from a very popular current of German thoughtt at the time.>>18785431Oh thanks! I'll check it out.
>>18785435As more evidence this is literally Hitlers personal views rather than general Nazi policy. Hitler: The peasant as the foundation of national life Date: 1 May 1933 – Speech in Berlin, on the Day of National Labour."There is no advancement which does not begin at the root of national, völkisch and economic life: the peasant. There begins the path which leads to the worker and further on to the intellectual."He continued:"Thus we will begin with our husbandman and, as first priority, lead his business back to health. We know that this is the foremost prerequisite for the recovery of the rest of the economy."https://www.der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/33-05-01.htmHitler explicitly places the peasant at the foundation of Germany's national and economic recovery, rather than treating agriculture as merely one sector of the economy. To him it is literwlly the soul and lifeblood of a nation.
>>18785440Hitler: The German peasant as the foundation and lifeblood of the nationDate: 3 January 1933 – Speech on agricultural policy in Munich.Hitler described the German peasant as:"The foundation and life source of our Volk."He also stated:"If the German peasant in particular is saved, then the entire nation will once again be able to look ahead to the future with confidence."Hitler elevated the peasantry into an ideological foundation of the Nazi national community.https://www.der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/33-01-01.htm
>>18785442Here’s an early policy they passed specifically to promote small and medium farms as opposed to large farms. Once again due to their praise of peasants Hitler: The preservation of the peasantry through legislationDate: 29 September 1933 – Hereditary Farm Law (Reichserbhofgesetz).The legislation declared:"The national government wishes to preserve the peasantry through the ancient German method of inheritance as the source of the life blood of the German people."It also stated:"The existence of many prosperous small and medium-sized farms, distributed as equally as possible over the entire country, offers the best guarantee for a vigorous people and state."https://germanhistorydocs.org/en/nazi-germany-1933-1945/ghdi%3Adocument-1550
>the best idea for Germany is to turn it into an agrarian shithole where everybody is a substance farmer, competing against a bunch of ultra mega rich fags with their infinite slav(e) labor farms, who then also have to get endlessly conscripted to fight the never ending waves of rebellions in said slav(e) land while we put all of our eggs into one mega city this just sounds like a recipe to create the ultimate shithole, kraut edition
>>18785454Unironically yes. The Nazi ideology that struggle creates strength and superiority kind of demands an eternal struggle and war. It’s not geared for peace ever. As that would result in decay
>>18785454Basically everything in Nazi Germany was ad-hoc. The Volkish Nazis didn't like the endless horde of Eastern European Untermenschen slaves the Business Nazis brought in. The Business Nazis wanted preferential access to the juicy colonial territory and things there-in that the Volkish Nazis wanted to destroy for Lebensraum. Neither really got their vision of things. The status quo just kind of happened.Despite their tendency toward Ozymandian Schemes they weren't necessarily bound to follow them.
>>18785468What do you mean the volkish Nazis would destroy it for Lebensraum?
So Hitler wanted to expand his territory, AND to build tall instead of wide?Truly a retarded gamer
>>18785454As opposed to a society with no farmland that relies on foreign trade to survive, thus creating an all-powerful mercantile class that can never be touched, ever?Farmland is literally what gives nations self determination
>>18785453>>18785442>>18785440Wtf, I always had a view of Hitler as this guy wanting to urbanise everything
>>18785480yeah just like those agarian African and South American states, oh wait
>>18785454I don't see why having more farmland would result in more inequality. And concentrating your industry in one location is just common sense if you want an empire to hold together. That's what the British did, they made all their colonies dependent on London
>>18785481Why? Everything about him gives off the vibe of a nature lover. Plus his specifically built eagles nest, plus the Berghof are all in isolated rural areas. He never liked meeting in cities unless necessary for rallies and such
>>18785483Non sequitur
>>18785473Their aims of de-industrializing and depopulating the east while resettling it with Germans (of whom there weren't enough to actually do so btw) would probably make the area economically unviable for a while.
>>18785483Yeah those states have self determination. They're just shitholes because the people are brown. Sorry you had to be told this the hard way Hernandez
>>18785484>eastern small settlements farm crops, mine ore, drill oil and send it back west to Germania>Gerrmania manufacturers specialised equipment, cars, tools, luxury good etc and sends them east to the various settlements>nice self contained economic eco system I think this is the general idea but in practice it sounds like inefficient soviet style shit that would lead to massive shortages in bullshit, and forged documents claiming we totally have a bunch of crops we don’t have because we don’t wanna be the ones who failed the fuhrer
>>18785495It would still be a money based exchange economy. If you can't sell crops then you won't get paid for them. So not really like the Soviet system at all
>concentrate (and consolidate) capital to a single central node>smaller cities act as regional manufacturing and ag zones with a kind of fake economy>completely control a vast swath of territory >allow rural life to persist, or flourish at your willExactly what Putin did. The US is slowly morphing into a very spread out version of this, as urban centers swallow up everything and small cities decline. It's not the best for GDP and other fake and gay metrics. It's actually not great for quality of life if you don't have aggressive centralized redistribution of things like wealth and building materials. But for post-democracy politics it's exactly what you need. He was a visionary in a way. Judging by how life was for non-dissidents at least, I'd say that the Germans would be oddly suited to a system like this.
>>18785487You're right, I viewed it as he himself loved nature but he wanted his country to be this megafauna of giant skyscraper-laden cities connected thoroughly with highways and railways, I personally love both mountains and cities filled with tall and giant building so this made total sense to me
>>18785498Germania always came across as much more of an ego thing to me. Hitler complained that the Germans history wasn’t as advanced and full of high civilisation and architecture like the Romans. So building Germania just seems like an attempt to outdo them and create a mega city that would stand the test of time in a way stuff like the Parthenon and coliseum did>”Berlin, as the world capital, will only be comparable with Ancient Egypt, Babylon and Rome! What is London, what is Paris compared to that!"— Adolf Hitler, night of 11–12 March 1942, at the Wolf's Lair.
>>18785501It certainly could be, I thought it was an Edifice Complex but knowing what he said I doubt it, Germania is what you said just a way to show how they are this great civilization by building these superstructures that exert power and dominance with their grandiose scale
Although it's probably not effective, I can't deny that small-large cities (between 20,000-100,000) are in a pretty good goldilocks zone of being large enough to be able to have all the modern comforts and complex infrastructure without becoming a gigantic metropolitan jungle
>>18785569I mean what would the Nazis do when a city grows naturally beyond 100k? Force people to leave it?
>>18785880Yeah, obviously. Forced settlement was something the Reich did very often and applied very liberally. Even the projects they actually did in the span of five years were mostly based around forced settlement and re-location. For a time, Mussolini and Hitler had a scheme to remove all the Germans from South Tyrol and move them to the East where they'd be good Wehrbauern. Idk if it would have gone anywhere.The Reich did not really respect your autonomy.
>>18785906Even the Holocaust bore the euphemistic name "Deportation to the East", at first.
I'm getting the impression that the Nazis really weren't actually that fond of Germany as it existed and just wanted it to be a storybook version of itself. Except for the nightmare eternal hell war against the slavs for the next century, that doesn't seem like it gels with the rest of their proposed policies.
>>18785921They loved the Wagnerian ideal. It’s the same way the best Nazis to be looked up to in the regime were the dead ones. Living Nazis can disappoint and fail. Dead ones are forever martyrs who totally would have saved the day single handedly like Rambo if they were still alive
>>18785921thats just a lot of ultranationalist in general, they just love (insert country here) as a fairy tale version and rarely its actual history or culture, further proving horse shoe theory as they pretty much just become (more) racist communist in regards to nations
Iirc, he wanted to turn Linz into a metropolis too and be buried there. He blatantly did not just want one metropolis, and his emphasis on eastern rural colonization doesn’t prove the contrary.
>>18785493to be fair they were in the process of organizing mass scale rape camps of orphaned german girls to purify the race and get more children out so maybe they would've had enough settlers in the 60's
>>18785375>Is this remotely feasible? Having one central mega city, then the rest of your empire is rural small settlements?Isn't that what's happening to Japan? The countryside is depopulating as everyone moves to Tokyo.
>>18786404What?That's not what the Lebensborn program was. What are you referring to?Even then the plans were wildly optimistic in all aspects. For one they dramatically under-estimated how many people live in eastern Europe.>>18786408Japan has other cities. Beside Tokyo, twelve other cities in Japan have populations of over a million.
>>18785375shitler was on meth and playing dolls in his bunker
>>18785375heavy load bearing body . jpeg
>>18785375>Is this remotely feasible?yes, but not in berlin because the ground is too unstable
>>18786558This anon possesses the knowledge of the schwerbelastungskörper. The criteria for soil suitability was that if the test weight sank less than 6cm, the ground would be stable enough to build on. Over two years it sank 19cm.
>>18785375 >hate Russians>plan to build the wealth extraction-based economy that made Russia the shithole it is today in Western EuropeWhat did the Nazis mean by this?>>18785386 The Volkshalle would likely have either never been finished or been scaled down considerably because the ground pressure from its mass would have made the entire building structurally unsound and eventually collapse. The Germans themselves came to this conclusion when they built a load-bearing column that was only a fraction of the size as an experiment and it sank into the earth (it’s one of the few pieces of Nazi architecture that’s completely intact because it’s literally too big to safely demolish).>>18785921The entire basis of their movement was the idea that the Jews and the aristocrats (minus the ones who supported them of course) had ruined Germany and that the entire nation needed to be violently purified.
>>18785431>>18785375Mega projects regarding other cities existed, like Graz and Munich got reconstruction plans of their own.
>>18785375Logistically it's unlikely, even with a competent administration. Architecturally Germania was completely impossible. Berlin was built on a swamp, the ground is soft and prone to flooding. Albert Speer erected numerous concrete pillars at various sites around Berlin to see if the ground could support the weight of the proposed Volkshalle. It couldn't, the pillars sank.
>>18787569He tested the ground for piling, you mean?
>>18785880While forced deportation is definitely an option, it seems a bit unpractical to me when you get to modern industries. How do you even determine who gets sent off?Rather, it would probably be more effective to have some sort of municipal limitation to housing wherein there are only up to 100,00 "allowed houses" in any given town. This would mean that people wouldn't be randomly uprooted from their job (and thus throw things into chaos) every single day because a child was born.
