China won this war, that is all
>removing the part where China over-extended and got rolled back up to the 38th parallel, suffering horrific casualties in the process
>>18786482>muh casualties copeFact of the matter is China accomplished its political objectives, can't say the same for 16 nation UN alliance, who got btfo by a country that got out of a civil war a year earlier
>>18786491China's political objective was to annex the South while America's objective was to push back the North.
>>18786491If the UN failed, South Korea wouldn't exist.
>>18786491Finding out that changs genuinely believe the Korean War started when UN forces 'invaded' North Korea and ended immediately as soon as changs arrived on the outskirts of Seoul (the first time) was something else
>>18786473Pretty impressive when you consider how China was fresh out of a civil war against the demonic pedophile invader cohorts of the UK and Japan.Well, the Koreans can enjoy the wonders of McDonald's, Mexican and African "rage baiting" "social" experiment streamers, and interracial porn.
>>18786473they won so hard their fearless leader's son got napalmed and the norks lost more territory than they gained
>Invade your neighbor>Take some territory>Get pushed back>Counterattack>Borders stabilize nearly exactly where they were before the war after heavy casualties>Peace deal. Status quo ante bellum.>"We won!"What are some other examples of this behavior? Saddam in '88 comes to mind.
still ongoing
>>18786631They claim that China won because they prevented the entire of Korea from becoming a buffer state for the US. The Norks, on the other hand, fucked around and found out and ended up with less land than they started.
>>18786473it looks like a tie though??? it ends the way it started
>>18786510No, China's objective was to protect the industrial Northeast, prevent a hostile border with a pro-US regime, defeat US imperialism, and boost party legitimacy, all of which it accomplished in spadesIt was essentially the debutante for the newly formed PRC, and turned a bad hand into a very decent oneThe US objective on the other hand was initially after the North Korean invasion was to reunify the peninsula under a pro-US government, which it failed to accomplish>>18786574>>18786940From China's perspective, the <War to Resist America and Assist Korea> started from 3rd image and ended at 4th image, so seems to be a strict gain for us>>18786616This is supposed to be an own before you realize Mao literally sent his own son to the frontline, literally a bigger man than every single one of the American pedophile elites
>>18786987Mao wanted to reunify the peninsula as well after his initial successes in the same way the US thought it was feasible after wiping the floor with the Norks post-Incheon.
>so desperate for chizzat that he has to invent a 'win' out of thin air Yeah sure mongol rapebaby wumao lmao, China won the Vietnam War too. Write it down, it's 2-0. If you take Taiwan as well it will be 3-0
>>18786996There was slight mission creep, but that's only because nobody expected US to get btfo so badlyAs a whole, taking into account material conditions of both sides, a "stalemate" looks more like a resounding victory for the underdogs
>>18787004>Yes he did want to reunify the peninsula, but-
>>18787003Indeed China did help Vietnam win against American imperialists, who do you think provided the materiel and manned the anti-aircraft batteries that made "victory through bombing" unsustainable, forcing the attritional ground war that broke the political will of burgers? >>18787008>0 argumentsbtw your image applies more to yourself
>>18787011>we got our asses kicked too o aglo>but we helped them 10 years prior so that countsThe absolute state of chinkspammer delusion
>>18786473Standards are so low for y'all
>>18787014>still no argumentsAnd yeah we accomplished our political objectives in that war too so we won that as well
>>18787011most of the NVA's equipment was Soviet; the Chinese could only supply some light equipment, food, and medical supplies.
>>18786473No one won the war. Every single participant failed to achieve their objectives and ended up with a status quo antebellum. It's the definition of a pointless conflict.
>>18787046The Soviets also sent trains of equipment bound for North Vietnam through China, which the Chinese often looted and kept for themselves.
>>18786473But their ally failed their main war goal. The entire reason for the war was to conquer the south. It'd be like the Soviets failing in the suburbs of Berlin, retreating back to Warsaw, and then declaring victory.
>>18787050Nah China won>>18787046Soviets and PRC both supplied in large amounts, with Soviets supplying the more advanced SAMs but China provided the bulk of the AA cannons and crewsUS was still so buttblasted and PTSD about repeating Korea that they avoided bombing many of these crews deep into the north to avoid triggering more direct Chinese helpBtw these Chinese AA crews shot down 1700 US aircraft in 3 years in Vietnam>>18787052>making shit up>>18787064see >>18786987
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>>18786616Mao had two sons and a paternal nephew and multiple paternal cousinsMao's paternal nephew Mao Yuanxin was a fully mentally sound adult when he died.US did not stop Mao family rule, Mao Yuanxin had to be arrested and jailed by Deng and the others after Mao's death to stop him from seizing power.Mao Yuanxin is still alive today.Also over a million Koreans got killed and raped in the Korean war like in the Imjin war.
>>18787003Mongols raped all Korea and all of Poland and east Austria and the Mongol Crimean Khanate harvested millions of white girls as sex slaves until 1783China ruled Vietnam for 1000 years and inseminated all their womenAlso Mongols sacked Vietnam's capital Hanoi in 1258 and raped all Vietnamese women there just like they did to Poland and eastern Austria.>>18787014I'm a completely different person retarded rapebaby.Why would I need to even talk about the Korean war when China repeatedly massacred westerners (Liaoluo bay, Fort Provintia)?Also Huns under Attila raped all your ancestors
Kublai Khan literally gave Korean women as wives to Southern Song soldiers who surrendered amd defected to him like at XiangyangKublai Khan also gave Korean women as wives to Han Chinese Southern Song soldiers to defect to his side and become the Newly Submitted Army (Xinfu jun).Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491>Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago.Han general Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenHan general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Shandong Han noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (Confucius family) married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.
>>18787264Vietnam's capital Hanoi was sacked and raped by 3,000 Mongol and 10,000 Yi soldiers in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam.The Mongols knew how to counter war elephants in jungles. Mongol horse archers fired arrows at the feed of Vietnamese war elephants at the battle of No Nguyen in the first Mongol invasion of Vietnam in 1258. The war elephants stampeded and retreated, trampling the entire Vietnamese army to death and the Mongols won the battle. The Mongols then captured and sacked the Vietnamese capital at Hanoi and burned it, occupying the city and raping Vietnamese women.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9372361/#q9379526Vietnamese Wikipedia victory in the Mongol invasions. The actual source says the Đại Việt army was slaughtered and Vietnam's capital Thăng Long, now Hanoi (Hà Nội) was sacked by an outnumbered Mongol and Yi force which withdrew due to malaria and after the emperor of Đại Việt submitted but a Vietnamese Wikipedia editor change the numbers to make Đại Việt seem outnumbered.https://s1.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1590/01/1590010757514.jpghttps://archive.is/BqnPahttps://archive.is/Gct0Ehttps://is2.4chan.org/his/1598464281001.jpghttps://archive.is/uqtOFWikipedia article authored by gooks>[gook source]>30,000 soldiers>of which at least 2,000 were Yi troops>Western sources estimate>100,000 Mongols>10,000 Yi soldiersWhat the Western source cited only as "Atwood, C" without title or link actually says>3,000 Mongols>10,000 Yunnanese Yi tribesmenThe gooks didnt just add 97,000-27.000 invented Mongol soldiers to the actual 3,000 to cope with their defeat. They where so butthurt that Yi troops raped them (ethnic minority from the forested mountains of China's Yunnan province) so they switch the weight massively towards the "superior" Mongol invaders.Thats just the first paragraph of the 1st defeat they call a victory.
>>18787264The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was also never sacked by the Yuan or Mongol empire. The Southern Song Han Chinese emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) submitted at Hangzhou and was then married off to Kublai Khan's daughter in Beijing (Khanbaliq).Mongols gave women to Han Chinese defectors. Mongol women were married to Han officers and captured Korean women were distributed to Han footsoldiers who defected.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7518011https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7515576/#q7517861https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7452921/#q7460338Over half the Mongol empire's army against the Jin Han Chinese from the Han Chinese tumen armies of Shi Tianze, Zhang Hongfan, Zhang Rou.The Mongols only occupied Beijing and other points in the north and demanded Korea pay tribute in Korean women as states in the Korean history book Goryeosa which was never been written or edited in China. Direct quotes from Goryeosa and Robinson's book, neither of them Chinese.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359369https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7358719#p7359270The Persian Rashid Al-din also wrote the Song Emperor Gong was son in law to Kublai Khan after marrying the Mongol princes.The Han tumen General Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman.Han officers like Shi Gang and Han royals like Zhao Xian (Emperor Gong of Song) and Duan Gong who defected were married to Mongol women while Han soldiers who defected were given Korean women en masse by the Mongols after the Mongols extracted the women from Goryeo (Korea) as tribute. The Mongols also gave Korean women to Central Asian soldiers and Tibetan officials like Sengge.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414167>>14414167
>>18787264>>18787268Shi Tianze's (Shih T'ien-tse's) sons were married to Mongol women (a daughter of Menggu Baer (meng-ku pa-erh) and a Kerait woman)https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=efYFEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA150Hu Chih - yü , Tzu - shan ta - ch'uan - chi 15 : 22a . Ch'i - ch'ing Hsiao , on the basis of the epitaph by Hu Chih - yü , has written that Meng - ku Pa - erh's daughter married Shih Ko . Hsiao , Military Establishment , p . 146 , n . 285. However , the epitaph states only that she married the Minister of the Right ( Yu - cheng ) Shih Hou ( the Noble Shih ) , who was the son of the great minister , his eminence Chung - wu ( Ta cheng - hsiang Chung - wu kung ) , i.e. , Shih T'ien - tse . Shih T'ien - tse had 8 sons , two of whom served as yu - ch'eng Shih Ko and Shih Chiang . Although Shih Ko was the more prominent of these two scions of the Shih family , it has not been established which of the two sons became Meng - ku Pa - erh's son - in - law . See the biographies of Shih T'ien - tse and Shih Ko in YS 155 : 3657–3665 . ...https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NpSOAAAAMAAJ&q=shih+t%27ien-tse+korean+wife+eminent+jurchen+endicott&dq=shih+t%27ien-tse+korean+wife+eminent+jurchen+endicott&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&printsec=frontcover&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXkcyPjs78AhUypIsKHTFXAY8Q6AF6BAgDEAILocal Administration in the Yuan Dynasty Elizabeth Endicott ... Shih T'ien - tse had 8 sons , two of whom served as yu - ch'eng , Shih Ko and Shih Chiang . Although Shih Ko was ... See his The Jurchen in Twelfth - Century China , pp .https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kG45gi7E3hsC&pg=PA41
>>18787269There's literal tombs excavated from the Mongol empire of Han Chinese men like Shi Gang married to Mongol Kerait women as well as an epitaphs mentioning one of his brothers marrying the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baerhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18380227/#q18383799https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278Over half of modern Mongol Y-DNA are Han haplogroups of O3https://x.com/GildedCoprolite/status/2041310513762619848While Mongol Y-DNA C2 star cluster doesn't appear anywhere south of the Great Wall in ChinaGenghis had Han generals who participated in Mongol conquests.Han military judge Shi Tianlin participated in Batu Khan's Golden Horde conquests in Europe.Shi Tianlin's cousin Shi Tianze's sons married Mongol women. His son Shi Gang married a Kerait woman and another son married a daughter of Mongol official Menggu BaerGuo Baoyu participated in Genghis conquest of Khwarezmia and his grandson Guo Kan participated in Hulagu Khan and Kitbuqa Noyan's conquests in Baghdad.Kublai Khan married off one of his daughter to Han Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian)Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Southern Song soldiers who defected to him.Genghis Khan killed mostly Jurchens a and the Wanyan clan disproportionately in northern China since the Han and Khitan would defect to Genghis and support him against the Jurchens
Genghis Khan's Mongol y haologroup replaced Indo-European haplogroups in Kazakhstan but failed to do among Han in China.Kazakhstan used to be R1b and R1a majority.The Kerey clan in Kazakhstan were tested and they were C2Kazakhs are Mongoloid male caucasoid female hence their Mongol paternal C2 genes and similar culture to Mongols while Han Chinese men don't carry Mongol C2 star cluster nor the Manchu one. C2 used to be called C3.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22452430/>The Y-chromosome C3* star-cluster attributed to Genghis Khan's descendants is present at high frequency in the Kerey clan from Kazakhstan.https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerey_KhanKazakh tribes like Naiman also have O3 Han Chinese paternal genes.https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5876-Are-there-are-actually-two-different-Mongol-groups-genetically-in-terms-of-aDNA/page4>Most Central Asian members of both O2a2b1a1-M117 and O2a2b1a2-F444 clearly are derived from the same Neolithic population expansion(s) that has/have left such clear traces in modern populations speaking Sino-Tibetan languages. Most of them are probably related to certain East Asian individuals more recently than the Neolithic.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M122>Paragroup O-M134(xM117) has been found with very high frequency in some samples of Kim Mun people, a subgroup of the Yao people of southern China (16/32 = 50.0% Mountain Kimmun from southern Yunnan, 11/28 = 39.3% Blue Kimmun from western Guangxi). However, this paragroup has been detected in only 3/41 = 7.3% of a sample of Lowland Kimmun from eastern Guangxi (Cai et al. 2011). This paragroup also has been found with high frequency in some Kazakh samples, especially the Naiman tribe (102/155 = 65.81%)(Dulik et al. 2011 and Lu et al. 2011)> Naiman Kazakhs 68%,[4]Kazakhs are plurality C2 .
>>18787003Account of Mongol rape in AustriaIvo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.https://apholt.com/2020/06/08/accounts-of-the-mongols-in-the-medieval-record/They abhorred the monstrous cruelty of the accomplices of the Antichrist,[11] and they heard the pitiful cries of Christians that were arising to God—Christians in the adjoining province who suddenly had been taken captive. Without consideration of class, fortune, sex, or age, they indiscriminately destroyed them all by various forms of torture. The leaders, along with their dinner guests and other lotus eaters,[12] fed on their corpses as though they were bread, leaving nothing for the vultures except bones. And it is a wonder, but the famished and gluttonous vultures, who abounded above in great numbers, did not deign to feed upon the remains. The old and deformed women they gave to the cannibals[13] (as they are known world-wide) as food, as if it were a daily ration. They did not eat the beautiful women [immediately]. Rather they suffocated them under a mass of rapists as they cried out and wailed. They raped virgins until they died, and then their breasts were cut off, which they kept for their leaders as delicacies, and they feasted on their virginal bodies in a more splendid manner.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386985949_Ivo_of_Narbonne's_Account_of_a_Mongol_Attack_on_Austria_Fact_or_Fiction
>>18787003>>18787275Ivo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.The Mongol descended Crimean Khanate also mass raped and trafficked millions of white girls into sex slavery.Ottoman Turks and Crimean Khanate raped every white vagina in rural Austria during their raids.
>>18787003>>18787275>>18787276Mongol Golden Horde inseminated all of Poland and east Austria before Ottomans and Soviets completed the jobs.
>>18787003>>18787278Ottoman Turks did this to Germanic Austria multiple times.>During the siege of Vienna, the Ottoman troops pillaged the countryside around Vienna, killed many civilians and took many survivors as slaves. Peter Stern von Labach described it:>"After the taking of Bruck on the Leitha and the castle of Trautmannsdorf, the Sackman and those who went before him, people who have no regular pay, but live by plunder and spoil, to the number of 40,000, spread themselves far and wide over the country, as far as the Ens and into Styria, burning and slaying. Many thousands of people were murdered, or maltreated and dragged into slavery. Children were cut out of their mothers' wombs and stuck on pikes; young women abused to death, and their corpses left on the highway. God rest their souls, and grant vengeance on the bloodhounds who committed this evil."[30]>Approximately 20,000 people are estimated to have been captured and kidnapped in to slavery in the Ottoman Empire, of which few ever returned: the Ottomans reportedly preferred young boys and girls and members of the clergy.[31]Turkish men raped both white boys and white girls and castrated the boysTurks raided Austrians for centuries. Now Turkey is in NATO. You beg Turks, your great grandfathers to help you against Russia.
>>18787003>>18787279>Ottoman troops enacted a scorched-earth policy as they retreated, engaging in massacres, plundering and arson.[32]>Instead of going ahead with a second siege attempt, the Ottoman force turned back, laying waste the south-eastern Austrian state of Styria in their retreat.[34]Crimean Khanate Turco-Mongol cavalry participated in these rapes.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9495112/#q9499494https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9433608/#9435448https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Rowlie>Samson Rowlie (died after 1577), was Chief Eunuch and Treasurer of Algiers during Ottoman rule. Born in Norfolk, England, the son of Francis Rowlie, he was captured and castrated by the Ottomans in 1577.[1] He converted from Christianity to Islam and took the name Hassan Aga.[2] He served the Beglerbeg of Algiers, Uluç Ali Pasha.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadım_Suleiman_Pasha>Hadım Suleiman Pasha (Ottoman Turkish: خادم سلیمان پاشا; Turkish: Hadım Süleyman Paşa; c. 1467 – September 1547) was an Ottoman statesman and military commander. He was the (viceroy) of Ottoman Egypt in 1525–1535 and 1537–1538, and Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire between 1541 and 1544.[1] He was a Hungarian eunuch,[2] his epithet hadım meaning "eunuch" in Turkish.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadim_Ibrahim_Pasha>Born in the Sanjak of Bosnia, he became Chief White Eunuch of the Topkapı Palace Harem under Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent.[1] He was appointed Governor of Anatolia, and in 1544 was nominated fourth Vizier. In 1548-9, during the Second campaign of the Ottoman-Safavid War, he got the position of lieutenant Governor of Istanbul, reaching the rank of third Vizier.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadim_Mesih_Pasha>Masih Pasha was born in Bosnia to a Christian family. As a eunuch he served as chief of the inner pantry and treasury of the imperial palace. In 1574 he was sent to Cairo as governor-general of Egypt. On his return to the capital in 1581 he became the third vizier. He was promoted to second vizier in July 1584https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadım_Şehabeddinhttp://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem4.aspOttoman Turks also castrated British soldiers.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5091574/#q5091578
