I don't believe in people being born with a sexual orientation, there's no evidence for it. I just wanted some consensus on who is a conditioned gay, like myself. I'm 33, so about more than half my life involved porn, because I was such a beta loser that I had no game with women. I do have memories of gay thoughts before watching porn, but after consulting a sex therapist this year, he said it's normal for kids to be curious about male and female bodies, so he said that doesn't count for my actual orientation. I just wanted to see if there were men like me who pretty much made themselves gay. I have tried the no fap thing and rebooting, it's a joke and doesn't do anything.
Same here . Watched gay porn all my life but still like women romantically and men only sexually.Like yes , men are sexy but I don't can't fall in love with them , only women.Also you can call someone gay only if they fall in love with another one of the same gender and are sexually attracted to it . 2 conditions must be fulfilled . Same with straight men and women
>>2710042I find women attractive, but haven't had a crush as an adult, had high school crushes that amounted to nothing. I've had a few crushes on men, those also went nowhere. I did kiss a few male friends, just to figure how it would feel. My first kiss was with a guy.
Opposite experience for me: my first sexual and romantic attractions were gay, pre-porn. I tried to reprogram myself by jerking off to straight porn. It did not work.
I sucked my first cock in 4th grade. No porn or anything at the time, just a high sex drive. So no, porn wasn’t a factor. I think porn contributes and definitely normalizes the act though. It’s the gateway drug. But you have to have some curiosity to give it a try first, and you need to have an over stimulated addiction to the drugs (sex).
I do think I became at least bi through porn but mostly because I find it harder to find straight porn that isn't actual slop. If anyone here knows websites where there are lots of genuine homemade straight porn then I think I could forget all this or at least find myself less attracted to men then right now.
>>2710040>there's no evidence for it1. There is a lot of evidence for it 2. The average gay person will tell you they have always been that wayPersonally I've never felt significant attraction to women and had gay thoughts as a child
>>2710049I can't remember specifics, however I do remember when I did get into porn I intentionally sought the material out. I just typed "naked men" on Google when I was 11, and I just went with it. What has always bothered me is why I am like this. I tried rationalizing it with porn use, because no fap is correct, porn does change arousal patterns. Before porn I slept over another kid's house, won't get into specifics, but I did pretend to sleep while he did his thing, it is a regret of mine, but I was not thinking, I was giving into feelings. >>2710061The evidence they claim is tied to pre natal testosterone, but that doesn't explain why someone is attracted to the same sex.
I was first exposed to sex via magazines, tv and some blurry porn channels that had only womenYet Ive only ever actually liked guys and then I switched to gay porn when it was available
>nooo, I'm not a faggot AM NOT it's all from pornmaxxing I SWEARthread
>>2710042> sexual orientation> homosexualnothing to do with romance or love
>>2710096Do you have anything substantial to add to conversation?
I was 100% certain I was straight before becoming a degenerate and hanging out on this site. Still never seen another cock but I'm no longer repulsed by the thought of satisfying one.
There is no such thing as "turning gay". Truth is, the human default is being bisexual. Well, maybe not "default" per se, but I'd say at least half of all humans have bisexual tendencies at the very least. Why? Because humans are social and sexual beings. We love being with other people, we love having sex, and we love watching other people have sex. It's completely normal for humans to get aroused when they watch others having sex, but it's actually not very common behaviour in other animals. And it's not that we just want to see the opposite sex - no, the vast majority of straight porn involves a man and a woman. Seeing both is usually more arousing for everyone. Because we want to feel pleasure and pleasure others. And everyone can make you feel pleasure, not just the opposite sex. Our sexual acts are not for the sole purpose of recreation, that's basically just a convenient side effect. We want to have sex and do sexual things cause it feels fucking good.But the way we perceive sexuality is shaped by our society. While our caveman ancestor probably had constant bisexual orgies, a lot of later civilizations decided that homosexuality is bad, because it's something indulgent, a vice, something that only pleases us and has no higher, noble purpose and lead to degeneracy (especially among men cause they have a high sex drive). Well, whatever it was, it lead to us growing up today with the idea that being gay is bad. Ever since we are little children we are taught that homosexuality is something negative. "That's gay", "stop being such a faggot", we constantly hear things like that and quickly conclude that being gay is bad, and you need to avoid bad things. This is 100% learned behaviour and not a natural reaction. It's just easy to forget because this notion is so integrated in our values and society.So we grow up with the idea that gay stuff is bad - but then we discover porn, and sometimes notice "wait, this turns me on" and people begin having a crisis. Cont
>>2710129>How could this be?? Being gay is bad! I've learned my whole life that it's bad! I can't be gay! No, this must be the evil porn corrupting me!But that's not what actually happens. This is just you discovering your natural urges, which cannot be overwritten. You didn't "become gay". You have merely awoken something that was always in you, but you have forcefully suppressed all your life. You discovered the possibility that sexual acts with another man could actually be appealing, which you refused to acknowledge before, because you were taught to do so. But deep down, it's something you want, and deep down you know there is no real reason not to.>But I don't want to be in a relationship with a man, so I can't be gay!Here's another thing that a lot of people simply refuse to understand: sexual attraction and romantic attraction are seperate.And this isn't limited to different sexes. Even straight people are have vastly different prefences between sexual partners and romantic partners. Every straight man wants to have sex with hot, young, attractive girls who are crazy for dick. Obviously. But is that their ideal romantic partner? Fuck no. A romantic partner is someone who needs to be compatible to your personality, someone who could bear and raise your children. The sexy slut everyone wants to bang will not do that. These two things are completely seperate.In other words, being homosexual and being homoromantic are completely seperate things, and you can be one without the other. If you get an insatiable craving for sucking dick, but don't want to kiss and cuddle with another man, it still means you're not straight. You don't need sexual AND romantic attraction to be considered gay/bi, you just need one of the two.TL;DR: You didn't "turn gay", you just unearthed your surpressed homoerotic feelings. And sexual attraction is completely seperate from romantic attraction so you're not "straight" just cause you also experience heteroromantic attraction.
>>2710057Go for porn directed by women or search terms like sensual and romantic . I have found out that it is super sexy and beautiful >>2710097Of course it has . Who you love/fall in love matters to many people . Like it is one of the most important things.
>>2710130My issue is I had a gooning problem at one point, but in the past I had non gooing urges. I still remember in 3rd grade, I made out with one of my guy friends. I just wanted to know what it felt like, I didn't even watch porn at that point. Childhood friend when I was 7 years old, he was 6 years old, I wanted to just sleep in the same bed as him because I had issues sleeping in my own bed alone for the longest time. So I have clearly done gay things before porn, the problem is I have no idea what caused it in the first place.
