Same here . Watched gay porn all my life but still like women romantically and men only sexually.
Like yes , men are sexy but I don't can't fall in love with them , only women.
Also you can call someone gay only if they fall in love with another one of the same gender and are sexually attracted to it . 2 conditions must be fulfilled . Same with straight men and women

>>2710042
I find women attractive, but haven't had a crush as an adult, had high school crushes that amounted to nothing. I've had a few crushes on men, those also went nowhere. I did kiss a few male friends, just to figure how it would feel. My first kiss was with a guy.

Opposite experience for me: my first sexual and romantic attractions were gay, pre-porn. I tried to reprogram myself by jerking off to straight porn. It did not work.

I sucked my first cock in 4th grade. No porn or anything at the time, just a high sex drive. So no, porn wasn’t a factor. I think porn contributes and definitely normalizes the act though. It’s the gateway drug. But you have to have some curiosity to give it a try first, and you need to have an over stimulated addiction to the drugs (sex).

I do think I became at least bi through porn but mostly because I find it harder to find straight porn that isn't actual slop. If anyone here knows websites where there are lots of genuine homemade straight porn then I think I could forget all this or at least find myself less attracted to men then right now.

>>2710040
>there's no evidence for it
1. There is a lot of evidence for it
2. The average gay person will tell you they have always been that way

Personally I've never felt significant attraction to women and had gay thoughts as a child

>>2710049
I can't remember specifics, however I do remember when I did get into porn I intentionally sought the material out. I just typed "naked men" on Google when I was 11, and I just went with it. What has always bothered me is why I am like this. I tried rationalizing it with porn use, because no fap is correct, porn does change arousal patterns. Before porn I slept over another kid's house, won't get into specifics, but I did pretend to sleep while he did his thing, it is a regret of mine, but I was not thinking, I was giving into feelings.

>>2710061
The evidence they claim is tied to pre natal testosterone, but that doesn't explain why someone is attracted to the same sex.

I was first exposed to sex via magazines, tv and some blurry porn channels that had only women
Yet Ive only ever actually liked guys and then I switched to gay porn when it was available

>nooo, I'm not a faggot AM NOT it's all from pornmaxxing I SWEAR
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>>2710042
> sexual orientation
> homosexual

nothing to do with romance or love

>>2710096
Do you have anything substantial to add to conversation?

I was 100% certain I was straight before becoming a degenerate and hanging out on this site. Still never seen another cock but I'm no longer repulsed by the thought of satisfying one.

There is no such thing as "turning gay". Truth is, the human default is being bisexual. Well, maybe not "default" per se, but I'd say at least half of all humans have bisexual tendencies at the very least. Why? Because humans are social and sexual beings. We love being with other people, we love having sex, and we love watching other people have sex. It's completely normal for humans to get aroused when they watch others having sex, but it's actually not very common behaviour in other animals. And it's not that we just want to see the opposite sex - no, the vast majority of straight porn involves a man and a woman. Seeing both is usually more arousing for everyone. Because we want to feel pleasure and pleasure others. And everyone can make you feel pleasure, not just the opposite sex. Our sexual acts are not for the sole purpose of recreation, that's basically just a convenient side effect. We want to have sex and do sexual things cause it feels fucking good.

But the way we perceive sexuality is shaped by our society. While our caveman ancestor probably had constant bisexual orgies, a lot of later civilizations decided that homosexuality is bad, because it's something indulgent, a vice, something that only pleases us and has no higher, noble purpose and lead to degeneracy (especially among men cause they have a high sex drive). Well, whatever it was, it lead to us growing up today with the idea that being gay is bad. Ever since we are little children we are taught that homosexuality is something negative. "That's gay", "stop being such a faggot", we constantly hear things like that and quickly conclude that being gay is bad, and you need to avoid bad things. This is 100% learned behaviour and not a natural reaction. It's just easy to forget because this notion is so integrated in our values and society.
So we grow up with the idea that gay stuff is bad - but then we discover porn, and sometimes notice "wait, this turns me on" and people begin having a crisis.
Cont

>>2710129
>How could this be?? Being gay is bad! I've learned my whole life that it's bad! I can't be gay! No, this must be the evil porn corrupting me!
But that's not what actually happens. This is just you discovering your natural urges, which cannot be overwritten. You didn't "become gay". You have merely awoken something that was always in you, but you have forcefully suppressed all your life. You discovered the possibility that sexual acts with another man could actually be appealing, which you refused to acknowledge before, because you were taught to do so. But deep down, it's something you want, and deep down you know there is no real reason not to.

>But I don't want to be in a relationship with a man, so I can't be gay!
Here's another thing that a lot of people simply refuse to understand: sexual attraction and romantic attraction are seperate.
And this isn't limited to different sexes. Even straight people are have vastly different prefences between sexual partners and romantic partners. Every straight man wants to have sex with hot, young, attractive girls who are crazy for dick. Obviously. But is that their ideal romantic partner? Fuck no. A romantic partner is someone who needs to be compatible to your personality, someone who could bear and raise your children. The sexy slut everyone wants to bang will not do that. These two things are completely seperate.
In other words, being homosexual and being homoromantic are completely seperate things, and you can be one without the other. If you get an insatiable craving for sucking dick, but don't want to kiss and cuddle with another man, it still means you're not straight. You don't need sexual AND romantic attraction to be considered gay/bi, you just need one of the two.

TL;DR: You didn't "turn gay", you just unearthed your surpressed homoerotic feelings. And sexual attraction is completely seperate from romantic attraction so you're not "straight" just cause you also experience heteroromantic attraction.

>>2710057
Go for porn directed by women or search terms like sensual and romantic . I have found out that it is super sexy and beautiful
>>2710097
Of course it has . Who you love/fall in love matters to many people . Like it is one of the most important things.

>>2710130
My issue is I had a gooning problem at one point, but in the past I had non gooing urges. I still remember in 3rd grade, I made out with one of my guy friends. I just wanted to know what it felt like, I didn't even watch porn at that point. Childhood friend when I was 7 years old, he was 6 years old, I wanted to just sleep in the same bed as him because I had issues sleeping in my own bed alone for the longest time. So I have clearly done gay things before porn, the problem is I have no idea what caused it in the first place.

i've been calling myself bi since i was 17 and i'm 36 now, i haven't done much of anything with anyone cause i'm a socially anxious person who doesn't pursue sex but I've always been comfortable calling myself bi

i've had crushes on girls/women, i've had guy friends who went on to be gay and they were more the ones i got along with cause they were just more pleasant people, though there was one friend who i liked and wanted their approval badly and it almost felt like i was trying to make a relationship with them but it was always more platonic, i think i just liked their character more than anything

if given the opportunity with the right guy i'd probably go for it to try it out but i don't really want to be in a relationship with a man, all my irl relationship fantasy and most of my irl sexual thoughts have been about women or involved women, even if it's imagining myself as a woman being with a man, it's never me as a man being with another man

i have thought about playing the woman role in a sexual situation and been turned on by it, but aside from that i'm fine with being a guy and though i get jealous of the social relationships women have with other women sometimes i'd never want to actually be a woman, there are a lot of natural perks to being a man that i don't take for granted

>>2710040
>no evidence
Did you even
look, faggot?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31467194/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21315103/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X19304660?utm_source=chatgpt.com
>>2710062
>The evidence they claim is tied to pre natal testosterone, but that doesn't explain why someone is attracted to the same sex.
The evidence is ultimately based on twin studies, and there are plenty of other genetic and neural correlates. What the fuck are you talking about? Stop putting your opinion into the world.

>>2710130
Incorrect . To be called gay or straight , both your sexual and romantic need to be the same for the same gender else you are bi.
I think for people it's too easy to just call people gay, just for having a sexual encounter with the same gender , when both conditions need to be true for a woman/man truly to be called gay.

i told myself that but honestly i think i was always bi. i used to always check out other boys and guys and i have memories of feeling turned on seeing guys shirtless or in underwear, but also was into women for a while and tried it. earliest gay experience was trying to kiss another boy on the basketball team when i was in school. i think over time i started to prefer men more strictly though and my porn preferences shifted

>>2710603
My opinion matters because it's my body

Definitely me. I don't recall any abuse, so I don't think I can blame that, but I was exposed to porn before the age of 10. What's interesting is it was my male cousin who showed it to me, and he's undeniably straight today. I don't think anyone is born gay, but I think we are born with a different tendencies towards deviance, and early exposure to porn can get that snowball rolling.

>ITT: Bisexuals discovering they're bisexual but failing to reach that conclusion because they've forgotten bisexuality exists for the thousandth time.

>>2710902
If that's the case, why did it happen before porn exposure?

Im 30 and have been straight most of my life. I got bi-curious a few years ago. I like gay porn but when I had my first gay encounter I hated it. Still like gay porn though, I kinda want to try another gay encounter again but I truly do think I would hate it. Im not sure whats up with that because seeing cock gets me rock hard.

>>2710061
>>2710603

His fetish is that he gooned himself into becoming gay. This thread is for him to goon to other people with the same fantasy. Posting evidence isn't going to dissuade him because he's too busy cumming to these stories.

>>2710040
I remember when I was 11 or 13 years old i viewed a video for the man with the most marvel tattoos, and I felt something weird when he showed some tattoos on his butt;
And having 13 or 14 years i discovered the heterosexual pornography, everything was pleasure and exciting; And I thought I should already have a gf, But i don't felt something romantic or sexual for the girls for my school. I thought it was simply due to disinterest or because I didn't feel ready.
Because i was bored or something like that.
I searched "just curious" Gay porn.


> I discovered my real sexuality in that moment

>>2711351
My issues

I have lost count of how many times I fantasized about men. I have kissed them many times, slept with them (non sexual at times) So I really think maybe blaming porn is bad. I think I just like the feminine aesthetic, maybe I was never into women. My first time in a vagina felt weird, even though women don't gross me out.

At least made me bi. Started porn at a young age, like 11. By 16 I was willing to experiment with guys. By the end of high school I was using craigslist to find a cock sucker to swallow me at least once a week.

I'm bi (bisexual/hetero-romantic), but porn never caused it. Since I was small (like 7 or 8), I always enjoyed sticking things up my butt.
At 19, I went to a bathhouse, realized making out with men did absolutely nothing, but a cock in my mouth or ass was just bliss.

Just accepted my ideal is futanari porn (RL trans stuff is pretty off putting), but seeing 2 guys have wild sex also gets me excited.

>>2710048
Same here with me. The weird thing is, I remember having some slight feelings for a few girls when I was really young, but once I hit puberty it was all about the boys.

It started with trans porn for me. Then I realized theyre all narcissists and became fully into femboys/twinks

>>2710061
Is the "gay gene" in the room right now?

>>2710603
>Evidence
You probably think that "COVID" actually exists

>>2711346
Learn to read

>>2712031
elaborate?

You can't make yourself gay you fucking moron. Thats why conversion therapy where they literally torture children doesn't fucking work. Or have you ever heard of a camp where they make people gay!? That would exist if you could become gay. Yes your therapist is right its not an indication weather you're gay or not, children are curious by nature and that curiosity is what leads to discovering weather we're gay, straight, bi, trans or whatever. It took me 30years to discover i am non binary, mostly because i didn't know about it. And guess what, if you watched gay porn as a child, found to like it, but where pressured by friends, family and society to fuck women, get married and have kids... still means you where gay from the start.

>>2712144

No such thing as non binary. Just look between your legs, you'll find out what gender you are.

>>2712144
Sexual attraction is probably polygenic like a lot of other complex shit, there's probably also epigenetic factors.

Personally, I started looking at porn at 13, and almost immediately realized I was only attracted to men. I figured out jerking myself off by just miming oral sex with my hand.

It's built in. Nonbinary however is basically a constructed identity built around gender confusion. You're not special, you just have an untreated mental illness. You'll probably troon out at some point and chop your cock off, or you'll get treated properly and go back to being a man.

Also, everyone has some amount of "gender non-conforming" thoughts. It's called being a nuanced person with individual preferences. You're just too autistic or retarded to parse your own individual traits from sex-defined gender roles, so you're rejecting them reflexively. Deal with your trauma with a therapist anon.

>>2712365
How come when I was around 11 to 14 I didn't care about watching gay p***? It was just something I did and relax myself. Once I started getting into my late teens and 20s that's why I started to become insecure about it. I know I've had thoughts about dicks before I watch porn, but that doesn't make you gay. I just chalk it up to being curious about genitals

>>2710040
I sucked a classmates dick in the 4th grade. I don’t remember seeing porn until I was probably in middle school. I also hacked off with my brother, sucked his dick and put lotion between my legs and let him fuck my closed legs rubbing his dick on the back of my taint and balls on a regular basis. He is one year older.

So I guess the tendency is there without porn and gay shit was normalized for me before porn. But porn sure brought the faggot out of me. But not until I was in my 20’s. Took me until my mid 30’s to actually fuck a dude. Been “straight” my whole life, lots of girlfriends etc. still prefer women for relationships.

So yes, you have a point, but no, you’re not exactly right. Who the fuck knows. I really don’t think there is a definitive answer that encompasses everyone which is why things like this are so endlessly debated.

>>2710049
This tracks for me. My first gay thoughts were when I was 9 and had the hots for that fake Arnold Schwarzenegger from Son of the Beach. He was in some commercial too and I once edged with the tv on waiting for that commercial so I could cum to his chest lol.....damn

Besides that I was girl crazy. I just wanted to fuck, kiss, smell, everything with chicks. It wasn't until I watched some gay porn that I really started to become curious....which led me to fucking men and women lol.

>>2710040
Yeah, that's about right. If only I had someone to be gay with.

>>2710042
Pretty much this to me and same as OP, I feel like a loser so my attraction to men feels more like a selfhumilliation fetish than anything else. When I go out on the street only women catch my attention, I only feel romantically attracted to women and I don't imagine myself in a romantic relationship with a man, but then I see the most disturbing bottom gay porn online... idk, just as a way of selftorture maybe?

And what I've noticed is that is connected to my self-esteem and my stress level, the lower my self-esteem is or the more worthless I feel as a human being, the more I use gay porn to jerk off.
When I feel decently or secure, I jerk off to straight porn... but I'm at this point where it feels so unreal that I'll be topping a woman that it's easier imagining being the bottom and being roughly treated by a man or a group of men.

>>2712363
Wrong . Only stupid people who didn't go to high school use this .
People constantly talk that there are only 2 genders female (XX) and male ( XY) , but truth is there are a lot more other like XXY . What do you name these then or these do not exist according to you ?
Nature doesn't make things black and white , it's exist on a spectrum

>>2712543

It's literally a genetic disorder and a mutation. Therefore it's unnatural you retarded chimpanzee. Kill yourself like the nigger troon you are

>>2711113
Nothing ever stops the bi erasure.

>>2710040
I don't think porn caused me to be gay. I just brought it to my attention. I started watching straight porn with my friends (early teens) and was drawn to the men while my friends were commenting on the women. I stared at cocks, handsome men's faces, strong legs.

>>2712415
Not sure why you would prefer women for relationships. Women are insufferable and don't share interests in most of the things men enjoy, and are even antagonist towards male hobbies. I'm not trying to be an asshole, I just don't understand it. If you already enjoy fucking dudes, why not be in a relationship with one too. Care to elaborate?

>>2710040
I don’t think porn did it. I had thoughts beforehand. I still find some women attractive, but I find men to be more enjoyable sexually and romantically. I remember dating women and just not caring for them at all, then I eventually started my first relationship with a guy after many years of being “closeted” and cried when we broke up because I was a weird dl trade. I never felt that sad at the end of a relationship with a woman. I think women are good for sex, but I genuinely do not care for them that much emotionally. The most deepest romantic relationships I’ve ever had were all with guys.

Nope, I always assumed I was straight but over the years realized whenever I fantasize about sex it's always gay sex... and nothing makes my dick get hard as quick as seeing or imagining another dick or sexy guy. A hot girl doesn't make me horny at all, and honestly a vagina is more of a turnoff for me. I kept trying to convince myself I'm straight and to get aroused by women, but there's no denying or ignoring how my body reacts to the type of guys I like. I met a guy in a store once and fell in love with him, weirdest thing ever and I couldn't explain it. Never felt that way before about anyone..

>>2712606
When it comes to my case in particular, I had some attraction to females when I was younger than I started getting into my late teens and twenties and I feel like it was just fading away. I was always attracted to guys the moment I watched gay porn at 11 years old I didn't even think about the consequences of it, I didn't even know what being gay was then when I found out what being gay men that's when I started to feel shame and guilt about it.

>>2712754
>when I found out what being gay men that's when I started to feel shame and guilt about it.
I had plenty of help from my classmates. They all kept calling me a queer until I made up a story of spying on my female cousin getting dressed. That didn't really happen, but suddenly I was a heterosexual hero. Then I could go back to my gay porn.

>>2710040
You're porn bi just like me, I only find men attractive on porn (and sometimes they don't even do it for me, I like specific kind of men that I think it's some twisted thing in my mind, i feel attracted to them because I wanna be them if that makes sense). So yeah porn exposure can make you gay or anything really, if you start watching tranny porn you'll like trannys or even wanna become one, human minds like to adapt.

>>2712029
nobody said anything about genes

sort of a unique take here, but like many here had same-sex attraction as a child, identified as “bi” as a teen before going full gay. never found most women even remotely attractive, yet i find most men i encounter are reasonably attractive. masculinity is sort of sexually magnetic to me. in my life i think ive been attracted to three women, being generous. im in my 30’s, and my sex drive used to be sky high. i was always looking to fuck around with dudes whenever the opportunity arose.

that said, the last five years ive had serious hormone issues related to cancer, and while that was going on i felt something kind of.. shift? my sex drive fell off a cliff until recently. i went from never being attracted to women to having mild attraction to a “type”, and what’s interesting is that unlike men, looks aren’t what matters so much as personality. i find myself feeling attracted to confident, bold women who are openly sexual and proud of it. there’s a few women on social media who i genuinely find attractive now. i think, maybe, ive always been a tiny bit bi but just find most women deeply unnattractive because of their terrible personalities, so maybe its a social thing for me. women who really layer on makeup and put on a full fem performance are still repulsive to me, even to the extent that women in porn ads will kill my boner, every time. nothing against them, but i also really wish trans women weren’t everywhere on gay dating apps, because seeing feminine profiles or being hit up by one really ruins my mood sometimes. i don’t want to see unsolicited tits, ever. but also, no apps allow me to filter them out, which is really frustrating when they pop up because i have to go out of my way to block. i don’t mind seeing ftms, but im never really into them and weirdly, unsolicited ftm vag is usually totally neutral to me. ive never found myself wanting to mess around with an ftm, but i did once at an orgy and it was.. fine. wouldn’t again, tho.

>>2712870
Bullshit. Watching porn doesn't "make" you become whatever the porn is. That's like saying watching bestiality or p3do porn makes you like that shit. I've tried watching tranny porn out of curiosity and it just turns me off. If watching straight porn made me like straight sex that'd be great, but it 100% does not. Gotta be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard

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To keep the tread going. Because I find these conversations really interesting.

I realize that I had an intense desire to search the male anatomy when I was in the 4th grade. I became increasingly curious but was never taught so I would look up “naked men” online. I started watching gay porn first and everything was history.

To be fair. My dad wasn’t present in my life emotionally, and I think it had something to do with male insecurity, and just wanting to bond with other guys because I didn’t hang out with other guys, nor girls, around that age.


In terms of for girls. I’ve had a couple of girlfriends, but had only had sex with guys. What’s funny is that I could genuinely see myself having a relationship with a girl, and if a guy if they are older. I wanted to have one with a guy around my age but it was too weird and it just didn’t work out in my head and irl. Even if it’s with a guy everything is DL. Like we’d be “friends” in public.


The Bible talks about homosexuality as a sin. And it’s the truth. God doesn’t like the act but loves the person. I want to work on myself and eventually stop going back to gay porn because everything on here is about self gratification. Jesus tells us to deny ourselves yet I fall short often. I do feel like our past experiences whether it be porn, or sexual experiences, desired our brain for certain pleasures and it’s not good to watch porn to replace a relationship. Just to let you guys know my situation too. Hopefully this helps.

I wouldn't say I've turned 100% gay but I definitely lean more towards men these days. I first started watching porn at a very young age, straight, lesbian and eventually gay. I quickly realized I was attracted to both genders.

Unfortunately I never had the chance to talk to anyone about it, as my mother was very religious and growing up going to church I was taught homosexuality was a sin. In school I was also surrounded by classmates who'd bully nerdy kids for being "gay", kids being kids, so I kept my mouth shut. At one point I was convinced my bisexuality was a phase because I started crushing very hard on girls and could not picture myself ever being in a relationship with a man. These days I'm still attracted to both genders but I'm more open to being in same sex romantic relationships, maybe because my porn habits skew very gay lately, or maybe it's just a natural progression.

One thing I've realized now that I'm older is, a lot of men, even self proclaimed "straight" men, are secretly bi or gay. I've found many guys from high school and college on gay dating apps, I even found out my father watched gay porn too, so did my sister's ex. I am not sure if more men watch gay porn now because it's so easily accessible and that leads them down a rabbit hole or if 90% of men really are just naturally bi or gay and hide it because of society's prejudice.

In my case, porn was just a gateway into finding out I wasn't 100% straight, I didn't "train" myself or watch a lot of it to make myself like cock, it was just like a light bulb moment and me going "Oh! I guess I like boys too."

>>2712978
Sorry but all the religions are BS ( also very much wrong in the actual truth they contain about science ) and honestly, you should never base your behavior by the religion be it spiritual and mental .
Can't wait to see when religion dies ( hopefully in this century ).

>>2710040
That's not how it works. You just fetishized it. Like some stupid AGP bitch.

>>2710040
Me. I remember when I first began watching porn that I would find repulsive any video that had a man in it. I could only watch solo female or lesbian. As time passed I eventually incorporated men but still was heterosexual, the corruption began when I found shemale porn, then sissy hypno, then bnwo was what no doubt broke me since I became obsessed with black men and big black cock. And now I'm for sure into black and white men with huge cocks(especially uncut) and handsome bodies.

Thanks jews!

>>2712978
>The Bible talks about homosexuality as a sin. And it’s the truth.

well that’s unexamined spiritual trauma if ive ever seen it.

homosexuality is not a sin. under the original meaning and usage of the term, knowing “sin” is “the knowledge between good and evil”. sin isn’t an act by itself. it’s substituting your personal judgement of what is good and evil for god’s. shame is as much a sin as theft or lying. modern jews have begun to reinterpret the talmud this way specifically because the original interpretation of sin leads to some.. problematic conclusions that pose serious contradictions within the talmud itself.

it is also worth noting that much of the old testament is propagandistic in nature. it is filled with proscriptions of what is good and what is evil- and to people around the time of jesus, there was an emerging understanding that the laws of the talmud were fatally flawed because its proscriptions were less and less related to actual commandments handed down by god, and more related to the ideological preferences of the elite priestly class.

the bible, under a christian interpretation, literally overturns talmud law anyway. that includes all of the proscriptions of leviticus. so from the perspectives of modern jews, modern christians, ancient jews, and ancient christians, there is at least some serious doubt when it comes to calling homosexuality a sin.

also, none of this even touches on the linguistic nuances that hint the passage from leviticus is actually condemning paederasty, which was a hellenistic practice that many both then and today would agree is awful and should be condemned. that would resolve some of the concerns that labeling homosexuality as a sin is itself a sin, while still condemning the paederasty as a sin because, well, it is. its a nonconsensual relationship. forcing someone to do something against their will is still exercising a sinful judgement, no special prohibition is needed to make that call.

>>2713125

You are absolutely right about the word "sin" as being "the knowledge between good and evil". It's exactly this consciousness that gives us agency to choose between good and evil, and the mortal decay of life into death as a consequence.

Throughout the old testament, the God YHWH is a righteous, a just, and a jealous God. Having the knowledge of good and evil makes us aware to do evil actions, which all humans are unable to control under the commandments given by God. No one has survived the presence of God because we are rags before him, and will instantly die at his sight. God represents the good, while back to the dust is where we will go without him because we were his creation to begin with. Though in the old covenant, God has made a promise to the descendants of Abraham. That those that are righteous will sleep in a place called Abraham's Bosom, and would rise again at a later time. The wicked, in their deeds, would go into the lake of fire.

When Israel (Jacob) was conceived, and the birthright was given to him after Esau. He made a covenant with his people that god will rescue them in the end. Now the important part is the covenant, because that's what a marriage is suppose to symbolize. God the groom, and Israel the Bride.

Now, in God's original creation he made Male, and Female came out of Male. Female was apart of man, and female is the partner made for a man. When Eve ate of the fruit. she was to be subjected to the authority of the man because she is apart of him, and cannot control herself. Hold that thought, because we will come back to this.

This all has a significant meaning fast forward to the time of Jesus. Jesus, talks about Adultery. For if you even think about someone else lustfully, you have committed adultery. It's better to "gouge out your eye" and "cut off your hand" than the entire body thrown in hell. Now you could argue that Jesus was specifically talking about a women, instead of a male lusting over another male.

But Jesus goes on to talk about the Parable of the wedding. Which goes back to the concept of how God has promised Israel, and the part where I talked about how the woman couldn't control herself. Jesus will be the groom, and in Israel marriage traditions, he is to go back home and prepare his home for the bride. The father, get's to decide when the wedding would happen. So it goes to say, that not even Jesus knows the time of his return. Only the father.

What's amazing about this story. Is that in both cases for Israel being the Bride, so also, is the Church the Bride but of Christ. And all this goes all the way back to Genesis, in God's original design for man. How God was willing to send his one and only son, to die on the cross, in order that his people (Israel) might be saved. So also, Christ loved us so much, that he died for us so that we gentiles might be saved. The same concept goes for the husbands/groom, which is to love their bride with all their heart, and to give his life to her.

And we. Being the Bride (church of believers), are those who recognize Christ as our Lord and Savior. As the Bride/woman. We often cannot control ourselves in committing sin. Though God loves us regardless. I return, we as the bride are to love Christ with all our hearts, love god with all our hearts, and submit to him. The same structure is revealed in a marriage of God's intended plan, for man and women to become one flesh. Husbands, love your wives as yourself; while Wives, submit to your husband.

This goes to show that God's original design for marriage was between a man and a women. So they came from one flesh, and with conjoin in one flesh after marriage.

Now Leviticus talks about not lying with another man as a women. Man is not to submit to another man. Sex/lust outside the confines of marriage is adultery. Homosexuality is really just adultery in a different form. Since God views all sin the same. We need Christ, because he's the only one that died sinless.

>>2710040
I was kind of groomed by a slightly older cousin. Looking back, I'm sure he had been abused. He convinced me we were playing a game and eventually it led to penises in mouths.

I'm not romantically attracted to men, but I am attracted to uncut dick and balls. I went from watching straight porn, at a fairly young age, to watching trans porn. Now I'll even get into femboys and crossdressers. Have yet to suck a cock as an adult but am greatly looking forward to it.

>>2710040
I remember that since my earliest days of watching porn I was more excited when watching men.

>>2710040
I won't say gay, but I definitely don't think I'd have as strong of homosexual desires without porn. At minimum it desensitized me to seeing other penises.

Ive learned, through this site, to classify myself as "hetero-romantic/ bi-curious" as I have had no male interactions.

Currently married to a woman love the woman and have sex exclusively with the woman. But I'm also here, on this threat of this site because I enjoy seeing big cocks and I enjoy watching them organ and in doing so I fantasize over placing myself in situations where I can assist orally, anally or with my hands. Porn definitely did that part in two ways for me.

One: as I said, desensitized. If I were to see a. If throbbing cock in a parked car I would have the urge to participate rather than be repulsed. Seeing cock doesn't make me think "omg that's gay, gross" it excites me. Though I do not enjoy male faces or the male bodies so I tend to lean towards trans porn there.

Two: confidence and insecurity. I'd say I'm above average. 6.5-6.75" small balls and small load though so consider myself inadequate and enjoy seeing penis that can person in a way that I believe they should.

Issues for me involve being married of course, she's experimented with the same gender and has had no dreams with me in them. I feel if at a point I brought it up she may go with a fantasy of it but wouldn't welcome anyone into our private life. So either remain a fantasy, indulge together(not likely) cheat(won't do that) or leave her (definitely won't do that).

I enjoy anal play, I enjoy cumming from it as well. She has used toys on me and loves my reactions. So I'm not really sure where to go from there.

Tldr:
Did porn make me gay? No, but it made me want to play with other penises.

I am bisexual, and I feel it’s like a tide, sometimes it’s low tide and I turn more to men, sometimes it’s high tide and I look more for women.
I’ve always had the tendency to explore my body, and soon discovered I love ass play, so playing with my butt has been a recurring thing since I’ve been 12 or so.
So I was confused a lot when I was young wether I was gay or straight, because I had a strong tendency towards women and general found men ugly, but there were some that gave me the hots and I day dreamed about kissing and touching their bodies.
I have dreamt and still dream about both men and women, with a tendency, again, for women. I watch maybe 70% hetero porn and 30% gay porn, though my preference is something more bisexual like pegging or some MMF.
I have never had a boyfriend, but I think that’s because one time while in high school a slightly older guy tried to groom me into me fucking him, and I shunned the idea of being played with for his pure pleasure. I have kissed boys, some handjobs, received some nice blowjobs from a nice big guy and even some rimming, but most of my sex experience is with women.
I am married with a hot girl that I go crazy for in the bed. It’s also a big plus that she indulges in my butt needs and plays with it and pegs me, but I sometimes feel like tasting a real penis inside me. It was not meant to happen as I am fully content with my life.
As for the great things about females, it has to be the ass/hips as they’re amazing when wide, compared to the usually bony male butt. The supple skin is also great as are the boobs getting hard from pleasure and going down on them. For males, it’s feeling the hard flesh beneath the skin, even when they have a bit of fat, feeling a throbbing dick growing at your command, the V taper.

Did porn make me gay? No, I was always a bit gay.

>>2712561
>occurs in nature
>unnatural

I got lucky finding the woman I’ve been with for 12 years, because before that—and even now, despite having a decent physique from working out—I feel like I’m not worth a penny in the dating game with women; even if I wanted to cheat on her, I’ve never had a single lead or opportunity. On the other hand, if I go to a gay sauna or get on Grindr, 9 out of 10 guys are interested—the imbalance is insane. I go from being invisible to women to being able to hook up with whoever I want in a gay sauna, so I think people become gay naturally.

>>2712561
Sorry but you are dumb and insint on being correct ,which you are not , and there is a lot of proof out there for both of these things .
I would hope for you to change and be a better person , but alas I do not .
Hope you suffer the same everyday

>>2712561
Also you need to get rid of the idea that mutations are "evil" . Humans evolved though mutations or else we would be stuck in the microorganisms form for more than 1 billion years .
Please go to school or frickin go to a library and open a biology textbook in evolutionary biology. Then you may be allowed to speak sth correct

>>2710610
This is some mental gymnastics. This is a very deluded thing to say.

When you have sec with a man, jerk off to a man etc YOU ARE ENGAGING IN GAY SEX OR EROTICISM. It is GAY. YOU are GAY. If you also experience this with women then you are BISEXUAL. Not a semblance of romance is required to identify your sexuality. Sexuality has literally nothing to do with who you want to spend your whole life with or this imaginary deluded ideal hetero life you put on a pedestal.

If you want be up with a woman JUST BECAUSE you want to have your life look a certain way, you are STILL GAY or at the very least BISEXUAL depending on the level of sexual attraction you have towards men or woman.

Same thing goes for men into trans - you aren’t bisexual or gay, you pansexual.

>>2713335
>>2713336

LMAO. Oh brother, imagine taking the time to believe in and write all that in a porn board. But sure, have fun pretending that having a dick, prostate, and Adam's Apple isn't enough to be classified as a male. You're the magical "non-binary gender" that's based on your precious feelings. Have a cookie champ, because you win the pointless argument of the day. I hope you jerk off to this moment for years and blow the biggest load you ever get in your life from it

>>2713356
It still makes no sense. Why did I have romantic and early sexual feelings for women?

I dreamed of dick as early as 8 years old and I recall not watching porn

>>2710040
There is 0 evidence porn has anything to do with sexualising genders.

You dont like apples because you saw others eating apples. You never had it, had your first taste, and biological factors you cannot control released positive chemicals associating apple with a good experience.

The fact is animals are born with innate acceptability to what they will and wont fuck and thats it.

I don’t think porn made me gay, I think i just hadn’t realised until I discovered gay porn and realised it turned me on more than pussy. It was initially just a fantasy but I think porn also helped me get the courage to act on it.

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>>2710040
yeah keep denying the truth

>>2710040
I had a shift to preferring gay porn or rather gay fantasies in my early twenties and I don't think this is true. I still don't find other guys appealing in real life especially not male faces and the attitude of the average guy. I think for me it's an avenue to get away from big problems I'd be faced with if I were to have a relationship or sex with women. A male on male scenario has no future and is essentially worthless compared to women which sets the stakes low.

>>2713432
>>2713505
Then why did I have female crushes and wax it to women in my teens? I am making an argument porn can sway your sexuality. I jerked off to men as a teenage to. I had dreams of cocks before porn as early as 8. So why did I have it for women? It doesn't make sense? Sometimes I even look at images of women when I jerk off to cocks.

people really love to overcomplicate shit because of massive insecurities huh

>>2713514
it's called bisexuality dummy

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>>2710040
For me, it was when I was young and found it unusually exciting when a male cartoon character ended up naked or with his ass exposed

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I think it depends on how you look at it. Porn probably can't change innate taste, but it can influence behavior through exposure. I know without porn I would have never had the means to develop a curiosity about gay sex because tranny's were the gateway for me, and I would have never been exposed to that without porn. So my view is that porn can influence our sexual behavior by showing us things that we normally wouldn't see or imagine. This is especially true for bisexual men who typically only have a very fetishistic interest in men.

You'll get cured by a healthy dose of reality when you find yourself about to insert your dick into another dude's colon

had a rough breakup from my ex-gf (fiance) a few years back. at the time, i couldn't look at women without seeing her... so i switched to watching guys instead. years later, i'm not sure i really remember what she looked like, but i'm still watching dudes and cocks.

>>2713536
I don't even want that anymore. And I was the one getting fucked, I never fucked a dude.

>>2713539
A choice not everyone is able or willing (at a particular time) to make; same switching the other way. I agree that disappointment in a sexual path can be an important influence to change or to focus on porn.