The prodigal son returnshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMvJCCGU7Io
>>7895611Thread Challenge: Prove you can draw floating heads better than Arbiter Wolf.
its gotta be some sorta larp. he does the trace guidline but then doesnt follow it. i have my concentration issues and i notice and stop for a bit to regain my mojo, but this is still weird. he alwayas does this
>drawing in a digital art program with limitless possibilities, ultimate convenience at one's fingertips>reference is right there on screen>draws useless shitty gobbledygook over it>but never traces the actual contours of the reference to see what it would look like in lines>never even considers actually just tracing itIt's not the tracing in and of itself that matters, but I'm convinced the mental rigidity you see in this guy explains why some people just never progress no matter what. I feel like it should occur to you try something that obvious early on, but some people never even try something that simple. They have a thousand unexamined, unconscious scruples about what is "allowed" and they won't just try new and unconventional ideas. Maddening stuff.
>>7895620All i fucking do lately is floating heads>>7890051
>>7895636not bad
if talent doesn't exist, then explain this guy
>if the human ability to learn, adapt, and improve at concepts doesn't exist, then explain this [incredibly small sample size of people with mental deficiencies i'm going to use as an excuse to not try]
>>7895657he's stupid or retarded because clearly doesnt pay attention to his own guidelines. willingly ignorant. actually i know for a fact he is retarded because he has yellow fever
>>7895660He’s secretly a pro and this YouTube channel is a parody.
>>7895632>They have a thousand unexamined, unconscious scruples about what is "allowed" and they won't just try new and unconventional ideas.this is a very interesting point actually. like a domesticated animal
Gave it a shot. I don't draw Korean women so I'm not used to their specific features, so it was something new for me.
is he a lolcow?
>>7895699>specific featuresblender-core plastic face, nothing to learn from drawing gook women really
>>7895632It is easy to get caught up in what is right or wrong, to the point that it becomes impossible to apply what you learn, since you get caught up in the concern that if you draw something in this new way, you're just ripping off the pieces you studied/copied, so you wind up reverting to your already ingrained drawing methods.
>>7895699>tracingIts so over for this nigga.
>>7895611ehhh
would this girl praise me if i were to draw her well?
>>7895611Icbros, He’s improving
>>7895660he is improving, just at extremely slow speeds that his limited lifetime renders ultimately moottry again, brainlet-kun
>>7895966woosh, my friend
>>7896011is that the sound of the hot air leaving your body, fedoratard?
>>7895632He did trace, but somehow he still managed to fail at it completely. It's like he wasn't even trying.
>>7895632>>but never traces the actual contours of the reference to see what it would look like in linesIt will always look like disgusting dog shit.
Drawing Asian insectoids will never teach them anything
>>7896014if that helps you sleep at night, yes!
>>7895611>>7896355Draw with pen and paper. You can omit lines and details to make it more visually appealing. Notably don't draw the bridge of her nose, skip the nostrils, or just draw the nostril holes only. You're drawing hair in an extremely messy way. Break it into solid shapes/planes, like they were paper. Not random threads of hair. Enlarge the image, squint your eyes, and draw roughly what you see from that as well. But again, pen and paper forces you to think extremely strategically for where each line goes, and you WILL mess up a LOT. But it's part of the process of hard-wiring your mind to be more objective AND selective in line use and weight.
>>7895943gmi
>>7896355all the references suck as well. its like trying to draw a turd. actually, you'd get more practice out of a well lit, high resolution turd than some cosplay or gook roastoid
>>7896355As an exercise, tracing value shapes can be much more informative than tracing contours.
>>7895699Was the tranny callarts style necessary? Ugly af
>>7896624Which one in the thread was your drawing? Quote it
>>7896624How is that cal arts style?
>>7896544If you're telling people to draw ugly old people as Da Vinci did then I gladly will. I should start with you first! Post your face, Anon.
why is he drawing all the features at once, that's the most difficult way to learn to draw faces
>>7897669Because that's how just about every beginner artist starts out, thinking drawing is just eyeballing the lines and xerox machine printing everything in one go. It's when they're introduced to fundies and building things out of basic shapes they start to develop a better workflow. That is unless you're this guy who still doesn't have a clue what the construction lines he's shitting on the canvas are meant for. Probably because he's more focused on churning out content for his YT channel than figuring out what's wrong with his drawing.
>>7897721>>7897669He should be focusing on getting his proportions accurate with simple lines that denote the brow ridge/eye-line/bottom of nose/mouth. Only AFTER your proportions are consistently accurate should you be even considering placing features on them.But yea, he's probably just interested in churning out content than analyzing how to learn better.
>>7897721well even eyeballing copying he should be getting much closer. I have no clue if hes trying to copy or do his own thing since hes so off on everything. not one line is even remotely close on the examples provided itt
>Schizoing out this hard on some random /beg/You niggers have no intention of actually drawing, do you?
>>7897740He's not random, he's been talked about here before. Lurk more kudasai.
>>7897728>>7897737Well, to be fair to the guy I think I see some improvement. There is an honest attempt to place the major masses and landmarks accurately, he just seems to get tripped up by small things like the bangs partly covering the eyebrows and as a result he gets the brow line and the angle of the head wrong. He's also at the stage where he knows the general placement of some more distinctive landmarks but doesn't understand how they work so he just makes a guess and sticks them ontop, like the collar bones and especially the breasts that look more like a butt crack. I don't know if he's done any deeper studies on anatomy, judging by his videos it looks like he's mostly drawing from reference alternating between photographs and screenshots of anime girls.
>>7895611Raw unfiltered look into the mind of the /beg/
>>7897740nobody actually draws on this board retard
seeing people not improve at drawing makes me unbelievably angry
>>7897669>shouldThere's more than one way to learn to draw, though he does tend to draw construction lines and completely ignore it.>>7897740Stop this holier than thou shit, it is a part of human nature to shit on people., every one in every field does it. I just wish these autists didn't go in the comment section trying to sound smart because they're 5% better than this guy.>You niggers have no intention of actually drawing, do you?I usually come to this board AFTER I'm done drawing to goof off, like you and your comments.
This one is really cute.Maybe he should just NOT use reference.
>>7898227I believe that IS referenced from an anime, can't for the life of me recall it's name but the character is familiar. This >>7895956is his animu drawing skills without reference.
>>7898230can you draw better anime than the wolf of arbiter without references?
>>7898230Isn't that the Vizard bitch from bleach? I'm terrible with remembering anime names I have to do a search everytime someone names anyone from JJK still don't remember the Sakura of the main group's name.
>>7898312No she's Zoe from Dinosaur King. Get your eyes checked, you're going blind.
>>7897379Why does the bottom say "quilty" instead of "quality"
>>7895611I love Arbie. He actually makes me feel talented.All the best to him.
>>7898227>>7898230>>7898312>>7898316
>>7895956>All that construction shit for the head only to symbol draw everything elseHoly shit, I get it now, fuck this guy.
>>7895832We must foreheadgo bigger!
>>7895943Neck must go long!
he keeps saying the same shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHyAHfpAKjo
>>7899892>sorta kinda sorta spinning my wheelshe says this every video
>>7899913It's frustrating to listen to
>>7899913>>7900281it's entertaining to me. almost like some sort of perverted performance art
Not perfect but it's what I got
>>7895636floating penis
>>7901355Cute!!>>7901389Gotta be honest man this looks like the drawing Napoleon gave to Trisha
>>7895943Great work
>>7901421Yeah fair enough
>>7896393>just draw the contours>omit lines (literally the opposite)WHICH IS IT?
>>7898602Nice, but that's painting, not drawing
>>7901543Not that anon but omit lines as in leave out all but the absolutely necessary details, like >>7896393spelled out: >don't draw the bridge of her nose, skip the nostrils, or just draw the nostril holes onlyObviously you need to include the parts that make the image read such as contour lines, but things like the nose and lips are difficult to describe with bold lines. One may just use lines to indicate the deepest crevices where the shadows are darkest, and use tone to show more subtle palin changes.
>>7901745*plane changes, my bad.
>>7898175
>>7897669I can feel myself getting worse just by looking at these. Genuine cognitohazard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3LaScnoKI>focused on making comics rather than endless practice>not worrying if things aren't perfect>still doing practice, but more structured this time>actually doing coursesWolfbros... is our boy... gmi?
>>7905140Didn't he already draw this before? Is this a rerun?
>>7905385He's making a sequel.
>>7905140
>>7905385>questioning why someone is redrawing somethingNGMI
>>7901745show me the page in fun with a pencil that says anything remotely close to this
>>7905140He wasted 2 years to only start making it now, soul crushing
>>7905140literally all four of those things he's been doing and pointing out for the past however many years.
>>7905573>fun with a pencil>fell for FWAPdoes /ic/ still?
>>7906618do you niggers draw or just argue with each other all day which kiddie drawing book is better?
arbiterwolf lights up my day, deal with it
>>7905573>fun with a pencilWhy, what does it have to do with anything here? I haven't read it personally. Far as I know that book aims to just show beginners how to draw simple caricatures out of simple shapes and, as the title implies, have fun trying to give your ideas form, and IIRC doesn't really delve into observational drawing that much.
>>7896544if the reference is uninspired, the art will be, don't really understand what is so difficult about this>but subjective tasteno
>>7895611I still don't get this hair stuff bros
Every time I feel like shit about my own art I see this guy uploading a new video makes me glad that I'm not this type of guy trying to restrict himself from practicing an hour daily, this guy practices his "fundamentals" only to just ditch them outright and ignore what he learned and it bothers me so damn much that I feel like I regressed just looking at him.
>>7906761I thought fundamentals allow you to draw anything tho? Now i have to make sure the reference has the mandate of loomis?
I fucking love begtube
>>7895620
>>7895611Did it in 5 minutes or less
>>7906618yes and FWAP can suck it
>>7908700meant for >>7906637
>>7895623he's put in too much effort for this to be a troll anymorei think he's genuinely just phoning it in that hard, like he doesn't really have a passion for drawing. he just wants to mindlessly do work in hopes that he will magically improve from it, dedicating himself to reach arbitrary goals like that 100 head challenge. you can see from his process that he hardly ever corrects himself, he isn't stopping to take a look at his work to make sure he's doing it right. he needs a mentor to watch over him and show him exactly how to fix his fuckups
>>7907680nice
>>7897669>>7896616Even with tracing values, lips are always the hardest for me
>>7905559
>>7895620Okay. You first.
>>7895699looks like an entirely different person anon
>>7901355why her far eye buggin out lmao
>>7898602 How long have you been painting? What exercises did you use to start learning? I want to learn to paint like you.
>>7895699ignore the crabs this is good but the mouth gesture is inaccurate
>>7908757Any mentor would just give up on him
>>7908797The problem I find with lips is that less is more. Adding too many lines, line in >>7897669, looks bad. It's usually better to do draw them using values.
>>7908833>>7895699>>7908934>>7896624>>7895807>>7895731The problem with this drawing is that it strays from the reference significantly./ic/ constantly says, "draw what you see" and "copy the reference" and yadayada, and then they never actually show what a faithful copy is. It's always highly stylized art.It makes me wonder if no one on /ic/ can really copy a face faithfully and has to rely on "style" just to get something viable since I tried to learn portrait drawing and doing it correctly is fucking hard as fuck. I've never seen it done here.
>>7909297nobody picks up art to become a human photocopier, you are dumb
Mouse in Paint, 5 minutes.How'd I do?
>>7908797Change image to greyscale and try again.Don't try to draw a face. Just look at the borders formed by values.
>>7909345Shit I didn't see the pony tail.It's okay I fixed it in the reply editor.
>>7909342Sure, but CAN you do it?People on here say that you need to be able to draw something accurately to be able to draw well but I haven't seen proof that all these people who can drew well (even though it's stylized) can draw a face accurately.Seems to me like it's false advice to waste beginners time with something that even experienced artists can't even do well.
>>7909342>>7909391To further drive the point home, when I studied Japanese, people said you had to learn all 2,500 Kanji.Actual Japanese people barely know 1,200 of them.This is true for almost any skill you try to pursue. People will tell you to do useless shit that even the really good people don't do. I am trying to figure out what is useless and what is absolutely essential.A lot of art advice out there is just artists pulling shit out of their ass. Telling people to read a book they fucking skimmed or do an exercise they've never done before just because it sounds correct theoretically. But what I've noticed is that artists who are good never did that shit. Their learning was chaotic and most of the things they know is from just bruteforce. Doing something a bunch of times until they get it right.This is good for the artist as they learn how to do something but bad for teaching. You can't teach bruteforce, you can only teach a method. So if you drew 1,000 anime pictures to learn observation rather than still lifes, you can't say that because it's obviously inefficient. So you just make up some other shit.This is why /beg/ can't improve and no one has shown me proof yet that the sticky actually works. Show me a single student of /ic/ who actually went from /beg/ to /int/./ic/ has been around for more than a decade yet you can't even provide us with that?Says a lot about how little you can actually learn from this website.
>>7909394Accuracy is nonsense.Everyone that learnt how to draw well learnt by fucking around and having fun drawing exaggerated and funny shit. That's not just how you learn drawing, it's how the brain stores information, it filters things that are samey while making sure to remember things that break patterns. It's le science. Everyone in this thread who is trying to perfectly replicate every line is never going to make it. They're been trying to be perfectionists for years. Meanwhile everyone who draws stupid shit becomes great. It's a pattern you see everywhere.
>people come to brag in turbobeglet threadit's all so tiresome
>>7908852https://warosu.org/ic/thread/5104222
>>7908852https://warosu.org/ic/thread/5024522https://warosu.org/ic/thread/4713425https://warosu.org/ic/thread/S3845253
>>7909405I have been drawing since 2021, I used to draw for fun and anime girls, since a year I have been trying to draw more realistic and "accurated". But now I just cannot draw anything without anime style. I am fuck.
>>7909391>>7909394ur just talking bro, you haven't been around to see the artists that got good here. obviously when you look in /beg/ all you're going to get is /beg/'sno artist in the history of ever has gotten good without reference. it logically follows that they're drawing for accuracy, no matter what specific method they use
>>7910102You say that and yet I never see it actually done.The majority of /ic/ is either /beg/ or nodraws. Just because one or two people got good on /ic/ doesn't mean it was because /ic/ that they got good. That's just survivorship bias.
why are you all so invested in this guy's career
>>7897669Here is another drawing. Though I drew her from lower angle
>>7910184permabegs are interesting, they always have different reasons for why they are so retarded
He should seek a mentor and then change his name to ascended wolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFCbQSW-UGUDogbros... the dog isn't doing too well...
>>7912623>Not using references of a truck and dog to draw said truck and dogHe's going to be fucked forever
>>7912623This made me chuckle out loud because of how absurd it is. Maybe he should stick to badly drawn comics like this, found his niche.
>>7912623>uses the basic bitch box angle that middle schoolers scribble in their notebooksnot being able to apply knowledge from drawabox is unforeseen levels of ngmi
>>7912623
>>7912623what a chad lmaofuck using references
It’s been about two years since I started drawing from scratch.How many years does it generally take to reach an intermediate level?
>>7912629performance art conspiracy theoristbros... we're gaining traction
>>7913090
my attempt
>>7912623/dog/ bros.... I don't feel so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZCXdEQXgkdamn the sketch of top left looks kinda good
>>7895611A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVEDhttps://www.youtube.com/@liimiimhaywaas/videos
>>7916035holy kek this is like a perfect case study and collection of the most common beg errors that aren't even really skill related>canvas too small, no room to draw outside of the intended frame>not taking general measurements for proportions>working from one area to the next instead of big to small, going for face and hair details ebfore >half the time of the drawing is spent on putting down the flat colors by meticulously trying to fill in within the borders costing valuable attention
>>7912623Thats a wallet? I thought the dog had a condom wrapper in its mouth.
>>7916035soul
>>79160357 years of drawing for this?
learning construction and anatomy of a face is like so fucking useless unless you are very interested in portrait drawing it's weird that every beg gets hung up on it.You'll get further just doing stylized copies of artist faces you like and Huston's simple triangle mask attached to a neck than you will with grinding this type of stuff.
>>7915610SEXO
>>7918838you underestimate the power of autism
>>7918949*curse
>>7895611isn't this proof positive that "just draw" doesn't work? this guy's been just drawing for 2+ years and this is the result.
>>7919395>for 2+ years doesn't really mean anything if you don't specify how often and how many hours
>>7895611>>7907980Here is my another attempt
>>7919395this isn't just draw in any sense of the phrase, the guy is a constructoid tracing loomeme over anime
>>7919502nothing wrong with that if he did it properly
>>7919504>real constructoidism hasn't been tried
>>7919508just because you are too retarded to adjust proportions doesn't mean everyone is
>>7919510pyw
>>7919513you first
>>7919514I'm too retarded to le adjust proportions, remember? come on, show us the power of constructoidism lol
>>7919515nigger you don't even draw why are u on this board
>>7919519pyw lol
>tracing is fine, you just need to do it right>may I see the results?>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWhy are they like this?
>>7919521you are mentally ill get help
>you are mentally ill get help
>>7919395nobody ever said just draw will get you better at art, just draw will get you to draw if you are a retard asking too many questions or hoarding supplies before starting
>>7919395he draws for 30 minutes a day at best and 10 minutes per drawing not even following this trace lines. he is just legit retarded. just draw works, but you have to draw for hours and hours and not minutes. >inb4 pyw
My goTried to fix the nose and made it worse
>>7919946cute
>>7919946And its sidewaysIm such a fucking retard lol
>>7919950everytime I post a drawing I just take a screenshot of a photo to avoid this issue lol
>>7919925Half an hour every day for two years is like 365 hoursYou wouldn't get good even in your favorite video game with that much effort
>>7919967exactly. i raked up to 600 hours in nioh2 in a few months, imagine if i were drawing instead.
>>7919968There are individual Overwatch characters I have practiced more seriously than this guy has practiced drawing
>>7895611can we dox this guy?
>>7919973time is immensly valuable. if you break it down, each human only has about 30.000 days to live considering he is healthy, which is around 700k hours. viewed like this its very little time. each day you dont "feel like it" is lost forever.
>>7920056not them, but that’s so many..life is the most amazing thing, but i’m so tired, and there are so many leftsorry what am i saying, ignore the lurker
This board is dead and the most active non-general thread is making fun of some random beg. Why do you guys hate drawing so much?
>>7920094you didn't draw that picture yourself either
>>7920094This entire board is permabeg, the ones that are not are busy jerking their shit nasty style and drawing 10 minutes a day.
>>7920056you dont really have nearly that much time to draw anyways. You can only really learn to draw between the ages of 15 to 25. Older than that and your life is already settled and you can just draw for fun if you really want to. People in their 20s only have a good 5 years left MAX and mental health severely limits that time. Just because you have a free day to draw doesn't mean you will be able to. If you're trying to learn how to draw in your 30s then you're on borrowed time and the only thing keeping you going is willpower. You have to sacrifice other things to make the time to draw.
>>7919395You have to actually engage in consistent targeted study if you "just draw", otherwise it's just meandering and stagnation.Do blind contours, gesture studies, and the envelope method as warmups. Then draw from memory, use the Shrimp Method, and then use the Cognitive Method in that order.If you want faster results:>draw for several hours (giving yourself a break every 90 minutes), but draw every OTHER day>>7920790>>7920793>He doesn't know that anyone can improve if they commit themselves to targeted practice, eat well, get plenty of sleep, and treat themselves kindly
>>7920801>eat well>get plenty of sleep>and treat themselves kindly
i'm too lazy for drawing hairi'm i was supposed to learn rendering today
>>7920094is fun to punch the little guy down.t 1st week beg
>>7920841nice
>>7897669"Drawing from the Right side of Brain" unironically tells you to do this.
>>7908700Funny part is that the chicken scratch drawing is horrible while talking shit about the fwap one which looks infinitely better
