>>7924659
There's no money to be made there

>>7924659
Look around, anon. EVERYTHING sucks. Star Wars sucks. Star Trek sucks. Movies in general suck. Why would it be different for comics? These are the products of a culture in decline.

Educational standards have devolved significantly. Whites are becoming a minority in their own countries. The US military has raised the age of enlistment to 42, because most young men in the US are too fat, too stupid or too criminal to qualify (never mind they don't want to die for Israel and war profiteers).

Everything is going to shit. All the entertainment industries (movies, TV, video games, comics) are pushing trannies, interracial sex, deviance, misandry and hate whitey. That's become the whole point. The inmates, who believe they are the vanguard of "social justice," are running the asylum. The warden is a Jewish billionaire who feels safer in a country where whites have been deracinated and the culture is a tower of Babel.

The economy has gone to shit, people are demoralized, the government is overtly corrupt and unanswerable to the people. Not ideal conditions for the flowering of an artistic renaissance.

Of course, it's still possible to make a great comic. You have to have the skills as an artist and a writer, and something to say, and the discipline to follow through.

>>7924659
they didn't, people still make and buy comics
the reason you only hear about americana nd japanese ones is that they have no population
italy, france have half the population of japan and like 1/8 of usa, not even considering the anglosphere
pretty much all of bong comics aside from the boomer mags exist mostly in usa
artists from smaller european countries generally work for french or american publications because their market is tiny
on top of that, there's so much competition now with easy access to american and japanese media that trying to compete in switzerland as an average slovak comic author is basically impossible
same thing with films, when I was a kid, french and italian films were in theaters, now they can't cross the border because the theaters are over saturated with burger media, so they just show in their own countries outside of festivals
they're still made, it's just that globalization ironically locked them into their own national markets

>There are an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 professional comic creators (writers, illustrators, colorists) across Europe.
>Nearly 3,000 professional authors are active in the French-speaking sector

>>7924775
>they're still made, it's just that globalization ironically locked them into their own national markets
Bait thread, but this is the answer for Euro-comics and it was a smart play. Despite Europe importing mangas for much longer than the US, they are in a much healthier position than US comics in their respective home market.

>>7924775
They still show movies from other euro countries here in finland

>>7924765
post your work

>>7924659
Women did this.

>>7924659
Euro comics are barely marketed or shown outside of comic circles. If you want to know about those comics, you have to be active in the comic scene.
Now add the decline of literacy and normies doomscrolling on tik tok all day, with western comics being overall pretty fucking atrocious and suffering from the same sexual identity cancer as the whole of western media if it's not just weeb mangos, with publishers not even seeking talent, without a real structure, culture or system to bring comics to the people, with the euro-economy going to utter shit and people trying to survive the current invasion of engineers + the stagnating wages, ever increasing rents, and tax rape; comics are not really a priority for anyone outside of those circles.

Even Lucca, got so weebified that most faggots just go there to buy juan piss or that time i got reincarnated as my sisters vagina and had sex with a dolphin

>>7924934
>Euro comics are barely marketed or shown outside of comic circles. If you want to know about those comics, you have to be active in the comic scene.
whens the last time you stepped outside and breathed the "fresh" (okay, automobile-encrusted) air? or do you live in like latvia or some shit. they're sold in corner shops here just fine, lots of italian comics like zagor at least

>>7924937
How would you know that you'd die if you never killed yourself before?

>>7924938
what did your face look like before your parents were born xiyuanon?

>yeah comics sell because i see the on the shelves in my local shop
this has gotta be the most shortsighted, voidbrain gorilla take ever expressed in human history

this is the fucking target audience for comics and you wonder why they ain't selling to make the money back

>>7924937
smanji dozivljaj, zemljace

>>7924942
if they didnt sell, they wouldn't get translated from italian into my orcine slavic and put on the corner store shelf. it's not a sign of a giga bustling economy, but they're definitely widely shown outside "comic circles", and since this has been happening for at least 25 years of my conscious life it means that the store owners have probably so far figured out that these are a better investment than just burning money. i'd hope.

>>7924944
tak stalno sedim po 4chanu da istjeram bijes, bum ti preporučil da probaš nije loše za živce

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>if they didn't sell they wouldn't have a couple hundred prints done with machine translation in my pig language
look at fuckin galaxy brain over there

>>7924950
jbt, znao sam, samo mi citamo zagora

>>7924952
moj stari dere dijabolika, a ja pokupim po zagora, krenuo sam tjekom korone a stalno ga uviđam po trafikama, mislim da doduše doista ga nitko ni ne čita ili bar nikaj ne pričaju o njima van juge, ali kao argument svejedno štima
>>7924951
yes, this is how the economy works

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yes bros europeen camics are thriving!

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>>7924959
nothing fancy like that, we have these shitboxes, they have a small space for books and magazines there in the front, and there's usually things like comics there too. but yes, manga is also big, there's no illusion that the euro comic industry is bigger than japshit, it's just not non-existent

Tex, Dylan Dog, Diabolik, Lucky Luke and the such are still being made, but on minimal print and shops need to pre-order them months in advance, even in their own languages.
Prasa thinks he see a stand holding a couple books that don't even sell and says it works as an argument of why the industry isn't practically on life support.

Shut the fuck up man.

>>7924959
What's the image meant to convey? It literally shows equal amounts of comics and manga

>>7924974
Sorry, blind nigga, this is a eyes only forum

>>7924978
And yet you type with your hands. Curious.

>>7924765
Holy true.
Goycattle will deny it but everyone knows the west is kiked and soon the east

>>7924980
Should've prompted yourself a better comeback or a suicide tutorial, retard.

>>7924972
>tex
>Monthly Sales: Estimated at 130,000 to 150,000 copies for the main series
>DD
>Monthly Sales: Estimated at 70,000 to 90,000 copies per month.
>Diabolik
>New Monthly Issues: Estimated at 80,000 to 100,000 copies per month.
>LL
>Per New Release: A new album typically sells 300,000 to 500,000 copies in its first year across Europe
Sounds pretty good 2bh. This is just new releases, too, eg Tex
>Total Circulation: If you include the various reprints (Tex Nuova Ristampa, TuttoTex) and special editions (Tex Willer, Speciale Tex), the brand moves over 400,000 copies per month.

>>7924984
that's actually better than i expected, neat! and yeah my argument was just that they're at least breaking even, if not really dominating or anything. it's not a super niche thing although it's dwarfed by amerishit and japshit

>>7924984
Now show me all those customers holding copies and not the books sitting in an amazon warehouse or collecting dust on shelves.

Add printing, shipping and other expenses.
Big number doesn't magically mean good.

>n-no everyone's just ordering them because they're not selling them! t-that's how business works!
shut the fuck up, niggermutt

>yes, bro, magic the gathering is thriving, look at the sales made from scalpers who hoard product! It's flourishing even!

comic books are an investment, hence why they're getting hoarded for a future price spike.
But there is no real audience in those numbers.

I thought autism made you aware of the macroscale of things?

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>>7924988
what a weirdly fetishistic request. sure, here's a guy reading zagor in belgrade

>6 million people buy comics
>here is one guy to support my claim
insane how estrogenically charged individuals believe anecdotes to be proof of objectivity

>>7924990
they literally had the highest attendance con ever last year lol

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>>7924993
in response
>>7925002
so did nugioh
also fucking dying

>>7925004
go back to /tg/ - trans gentlemen

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>>7925007
Silence, pigger

daily reminder SEAmonkeys will never be japanese no matter how much they live vicariously through their cartoons

>saars the ai is thriving saar! luk @ how many bajillion rupees they are making and how many Xitter followers ai art profiles have! Saar, redeem the argument!

>>7924984
Stuff like Tex Willer and Lucky Luke were among the biggest names in european comics in their golden day, they're basically surviving on inertia they've accumulated over decades. And I remember there being a whole row of these types of comics on the shelves, not just those two and British Commando. What happened to Valerian and Yoko Tsuno? Oh yeah, you can still find them in the specialty store, in the farthest corner behind rows and rows of manga shelves. I guess the authors are dead and no one's making new ones since these weren't Asterix caliber properties.
Some random indie comic by chud b. anonymous isn't going to be sold in grocery stores or get anywhere close these numbers.

>SEAmonkey immediately goes for the only "people" he thinks he can be smug towards upon being called out
I accept your cumstained ladyboy concession

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They failed to capture new generations for a bunch of reasons, like lower accessibility (you can only buy capeshit at the capeshit store while manga is sold wherever you want including amazon, and is free if you're willing to spend five seconds on Google), adaptations being either non existent or just not good enough, higher cost per page or maybe they didn't appeal to them enough, and thus you have zoomers thinking western comics are kind of niche and might like them or won't buy them and the three gen alpha kids who don't think the medium is washed unc shit read the Boys or Invincible because they heard their favorite series was adapted from that and run away after the first rape scene.

yeah, the ps5s being out of stock back then totally meant everyone had one in their homes

>>7925022
Meh, every bigger supermarket has classic euro comics, I've never seen them stocking manga. Euro comics, capeshit and manga are sold at the same corner of bookstores and while I've no doubt manga is vastly more popular, I doubt people actually buy it all that much when it's online for free before it hits the shelves in Europe.

Yeah, i once saw 25 comic books in 15 different stores.
I guess the west is saved.

>>7925031
This may vary on country or city but I've definitely seen manga in supermarkets and I've seen them outnumber the other comics too.

>>7925033
Either way, the industry's not dead by any margin just because a foreign industry is bigger. Taylor Swift existing doesn't render J-pop dead. I'm never going to hear J-pop unless I seek it out, but it's there.

An industry without real customers is a bubble, mate.

>>7924959
> I found the manga section
Congrats?
>>7925031
Their popularity is unmatched, but browsing shonen threads on /a makes it very apparent that most people in there only watched the anime, and even less people pay for that.

The answer is really just that not enough people buy comics to support an industry. Japanese people still buy comics. That's all it is. Everything else is just a symptom of this fundamental issue.

No bro didn't you see that one picture of one guy reading a comic? Didn't you see the news stands carrying a couple books? Did you see the big number of sales of 30 year old comics?
The western comic market is thriving!

>>7924659
Why not just get a domain name, put your comic there, and merchandise it and keep ALL of the profits? Print is going away.

>>7925062
Why do Japanese people still buy comics?

>>7925326
they don't, the zoomers don't read manga, the industry is basically capeshit circa 2000

>>7925326
>The manga market shrunk 1.7% year-on-year in 2025
>This represents the first time since 2017 that the manga market has shrunk, as it has seen a year-on-year increase since then.
>Sales of printed compiled manga book volumes shrunk by 14.4% year-on-year, now amounting to 126 billion yen (about US$801 million), while the manga magazine market also shrunk by 12.7%, now amounting to 39.2 billion yen (about US$249 million). The print numbers combined amount to 165.2 billion yen (about US$1.04 billion yen), a reduction from 2024's 192.1 billion yen (about US$1.22 billion in current conversion). The print market has overall shrunk every year since 2017, when it amounted to 258.3 billion yen (about US$1.64 billion in current conversion).
Print is dying, it remains to be seen if the industry at large is still healthy. Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all, compared to 10% in the 90s

>>7925326
Beats me. Train commute, maybe?

>>7925327
>the zoomers don't read manga,
>>7925335
>Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all
Source?

>>7925335
How is that comparing to other entertainment industries when there's fewer and fewer young people in Japan?

>>7925337
>Iida Ichishi, writing for PRESIDENT Online, examined manga readership data and found a steady decline among youth from the 1990s to the present. Tracking data from the National Association of School Librarians’ (全国学校図書館協議会) yearly surveys of elementary, middle, and high school students, he writes that he observed precipitous drops in manga magazine readership.
>The number of high-school boys in the survey who were regular readers of Jump magazine – Japan’s most popular manga magazine targeted at young boys – had dropped from almost 500 in 1996 to 54 in 2019. Similar trends were found among young girls, with the number falling from almost 200 to 32. The only magazine holding strong was KoroKoro Comics, Japan’s premier manga magazine for early readers.
>This tracks with manga readership percentages among these demographics. Readership surveys from the same database showed that in 1985, 85% of elementary schoolers were reading manga magazines, dropping to 68% in 2023, a 17-point drop. Among high schoolers, the drop was even starker, falling from 77% to 49%, a 28-point drop.
>Given that Japan’s youth and child populations are steadily dropping, the decline in raw numbers is even harsher. Across age demographics, Iida argues, manga magazines have been losing youth readership year over year.
>Published on Japanese site PR Times in March, the results indicate that about 70% of those in their 40s read manga. However, the figure drops to 40% for those in their the 20s. The group in their 30s, raised on the internet, is split down the middle at 50%, making it a point of inflection
There's a website you can type words in to get information, I forget the name of it, doodle or something

>>7925342
Damn. But still, 49% of high schoolers reading manga is still more than pretty much any other country. Even moreso when you look at the 20s, 30s and 40s stats. Sure sounds like they still read lots of manga.
>There's a website you can type words in to get information, I forget the name of it, doodle or something
No need to be a faggot man. You're clearly quoting some kind of source.
Anyway your source (https://unseen-japan.com/japanese-teens-manga-readership-decline/) literally leads with
>The manga industry is booming! Sales are at historical highs, and the year-over-year growth is far outpacing the rest of the economy, even as AI is nipping at its heels. The source of this growth is no mystery: unprecedented expansion in the global marketplace, driven primarily by digital platforms, is hooking the medium up to revenue streams that had been anemic for decades.
>But is Japan’s youth steering clear of manga? That’s what at least one controversial journalist in Japan claims. Others, however, point to data showing that manga is doing just fine and the kids are alright.
Which seems to go directly against this "manga is dying" narrative.

>>7925342
>>7925343
Also the very next passage from your source says
>Part of this change is an overall industry shift away from print magazines toward digital publishing apps. Anecdotally, I’ve been reading manga digitally my entire life, and I’m far from alone.
>In 2020, manga’s digital publishing sales overtook print sales for the first time. The market share has only expanded since. This new publishing format has also driven sales to record highs, even as the print side of the industry steadily shrinks. From this perspective, the decline in youth magazine readership could just be an artifact of the general trend away from print towards digital.
In other words: manga isn't dying, print is.

>>7925343
Except it literally shrunk last year, as I already said, and what you posted is a statement from the westoid retard writing the article, not the japanese guy actually discussing the data, learn to read.
I didn't say it's dead, I said print is dying and it remains to be seen if the industry at large is healthy.

>>7925345
That's some westoid "journalist", you dumb nigger. The actual data from fucking japan says the market shrunk first time since 2017 in 2025. Not print, the entire manga market, including digital.

>>7925346
>>7925348
And this Iida dude is literally one guy. The article points out other editors who disagree with him, and are saying that kids are just reading digital now.
>The actual data from fucking japan says the market shrunk first time since 2017 in 2025. Not print, the entire manga market, including digital.
So post it.

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>>7925351
I literally did in the post you first replied to, you worthless fucking nigger.

>>7925352
>graph shows steady growth with a slight dip
IT'S OVER MANGA HAS FALLEN

>>7925353
>Print is dying, it remains to be seen if the industry at large is still healthy
>HURRR DURRR
Silence, brown turd

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>>7924659
Artists must shed their fear, achieve enlightenment, and realize their existential freedom. Only then can they make something truly worth experiencing.

>>7925355
Okay thenw e agree that print is dying, sure. But I asked for a source for "Most japs under 20 don't read manga at all". I guess you provided it here >>7925342 but that still says that 40% of people in their 20s which is an amazingly high number when you compare it to pretty much any other country.

>>7925357
Holy fuck, your IQ is abysmal, never reply to me again

>>7925358
Do you not agree that 40% of 20-somethings reading comics is exceptionally high? Or are you still trying to say that because isn't as exceptionally high at it was then it must be in its dying days?

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>>7924765
This. Unless the upcoming generations develop a drastically different culture (which is unlikely, considering they're being groomed as early as kindergarten), I don't see a comeback happening.

They're eventually coming for Japan and South Korea too. The more these countries have to open up their boarders because of their birth rates, the more they will be infected by political agendas.

>>7925348
can't happen too fast, i'm getting naruto fatigue. hopefully whatever replaces it will be worth looking at
>>7925368
you too, post your work
(spoiler: you probably wont)

>>7925417
What does his work have to do with it? You haven't posted yours, have you?

>>7925417
>naruto fatigue
Are you from 2013?

>>7925674
He’s a tourist.
>>7925343
All jap kids care about these days are monster hunter, armored core and American FPS. Anime and manga isn’t popular after Gen Z. Don’t worry, the 2030s will be the rise of Chinese animation and comics with budgets backed by the CCP to spread cultural propaganda just like Japan has been doing for 50 years.

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>>7925585
>What does his work have to do with it?
people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
>You haven't posted yours, have you?
cant be bothered to convert new pieces to jpg so here's this compendium of my stuff from last year, picrel
>>7925674
>>7925680
its just a funny way to refer to all manga, anon. nothing deeper to it

>>7925680
>2030s
That's soon. They better hurry the fuck up, though. Half of the world still don't trust them beyond exporting cheap plastic from them.
>>7925788
Good stuff. Wish I had the patience for painting moody landscapes because that looks neat.

>>7925794
thank you anon, im not a big fan of environment work (lazy ass) but i've been trying to work more environmental recently, gotta treat that lack of patience somehow

>>7925788
>its just a funny way to refer to all manga, anon. nothing deeper to it

Nice trolling. I bet you like toonami slop only and haven’t watched anything outside of that…you’re one of those normals.

>>7925788
>people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
the duty of a community is to ostracize and treat these types as lepers otherwise you will have no community left
perhaps it is too late but we can educate the next generation

>>7925826
i dont watch cartoons in general. i googled toonami and i think ive only watched megas xlr and samurai jack. we didn't really have this stuff when i was a kid in my bogwater thirdistan so i didn't really grow up on anything except like professor balthazar and other esoteria

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>>7925788
>people who write political rants on /ic/ usually don't draw and the opinions of nodraws on art and art culture can be discarded
BASED. EXPOSE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>7925788
sorry double post but can you post the large of these two birds pls? I wanna get a closer look, I really like them. thank you

>>7924659
Euro was always niche, had strong presence in their own countries, but larger countries like the US and Japan generated more revenue, which meant eventually they had enough money to shove their shit into EU and overpower local comics. They are still being made, just not talked about at large or on the internet.
Then capeshit has spent almost 2 decades shooting itself in the dick, giving manga a free win.
In short:
-Manga: good unique stories, lots of money to market itself
-EU: good unique stories, no money to market itself
US: shit reused stories/subvered by modern politics, lots of money to market itself (but declining now finally).
EU will probably survive in niche circles, capeshit will die outside movies and animation, and manga/webtoon will rule the comic industry if they are smart enough to properly transition to phoneshit for zoomers (and jews don't do to it what they did to capeshit).

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>>7924765
movie industry is thriving though

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>>7925865
the first is a fairy penguin and the second is an albino crow. here's the biggest quality i have on my tumblr without opening up photoshop to export em. enjoy, anon :)

>>7925874
like this anon says, successful comics require 2 things: a solid premise, and the means to sell it everywhere possible (aka money). Japan has both, EU and US only have one of the 2.

>>7925680
>All jap kids care about these days are monster hunter, armored core and American FPS. Anime and manga isn’t popular after Gen Z.
got a single fact to back that up or is it all just pulled from your smelly brown ass?

>>7925961
As a matter of fact I do have proof, but i’m permitting you to check inside my smelly brown ass for it since you asked so nicely.

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>>7925788
A person can have an opinion about the quality of movies, TV shows, comics, etc. as a consumer without being a creator himself.

Here is a little sketch of a bald man trying to cast a spell on you.

>>7926079
>As a matter of fact I do have proof
so post it.

>>7926101
You know where to look.

>>7926105
why do you like telling lies on the internet so much?

>>7926108

>provides you proof on where to look
>”no you lie”
anon chan…

>>7926099
nice bald man, love the whimsy
>A person can have an opinion about the quality of movies, TV shows, comics, etc. as a consumer without being a creator himself.
sure, but having opinions on the reasons for that quality requires some experience in creation. it doesn't take a chef to tell you that your dish sucks, but it does take a chef to tell you why it sucks

>>7926117
show me the proof then.
>heh, i already did
yeah? where?

>>7924659
Hollyjews unironically.
A few oligarchs dominate american culture, and use creative (((accounting))) to extract wealth from others through their trash products that somehow never give back revenue to investors and cost gazillions to make despite labor from set assistants to engineers being drastically underpaid.

They inserted themselves in competing industries and made it so editorial, video-game and comic CEOs pushed only projects that could be sold as movie bait to keep on parasiting off culture, and in the 2010s they pushed globalization so they could suck the blood out of Europe and Japan's cultures too.

>>7924778
>>Nearly 3,000 professional authors are active in the French-speaking sector
Discount all the "adulting is hard" four panel strips and you're left with less than 500.
Reduce it even to graphic novel tier stuff and you don't even have 80.

in japan, one guy can make a good manga. (he has assistants but you get what I mean). Ina merica, they tried to turn it into an assembly line so that different people do the sketching, writing (which is often a team), inking, coloring, typesetting, and editing. This ensures one artist doesn't become too powerful when their skills become the soul of the comic. If that person leaves or stops drawing, then the comic is over, that's not good for business.

Of course we have known comic artists but they came about before the big companies realized this and stopped letting new ones form. They don't want to publish and promote great comics made by one person because their entire model will depend on one autistic artist. It still happens but its rare.

>>7924659
>(1/2)
Manga has the greatest advertising and marketing apparatus for pretty much and publication... anime.
Like Dragon Ball Z? There's a manga for that. Like Naruto? There's a manga for that. Hell, like Pokemon? Yep, there's a manga for that as well.

Meanwhile, outside of Comics rely almost entirely on word of mouth for their marketing, and there's very little in the way of adaptions, and even when there are adaptions, they almost seem to distance themselves from the original material, so it doesn't benefit them nearly as much as it should.

It's a shame, comics are probably the best material TO ADAPT. The character design, art direction. environment design, and even the story boarding to an extent have all been done (to a degree at least), seriously cutting down on pre-production costs.

This all said, Robert Kirkman (Invincible, Walking Dead, etc) apparently agrees with me and is seriously pushing for his own, and other Image comic materials, to be adapted, and more greatly emphasise that the adaption ARE adaptions, and there are comics to read as well. I think if he succeeds in this, it'd probably go a long ways in making comics relevant again.

>>7926190
>(2/2)
Another issue that comics faces is some incredibly bad demographic decisions. Marvel and DC were originally for children, and were one of many comics books publishers specifically catering to children. This was in part due to the Comics Code Authority, but super hero comics are obviously an idea that appeals most to children regardless. However, as time has gone on, those other children's comics series have all died out, and both Marvel and DC have chased their audience and released progressively more 'mature' comics (if we can call violence and sex a sign of maturity) - and while this has short term benefits because an older audience will have more money and be willing to pay more for your comics, this has the disastrous long term effect of bringing in a generation of children (to adults) who have no experience, and therefore no love, for the medium of comics. Why would an adult start buying comics if he does not care for them? Reading is a habit best made young, and comics more so, and the western comics book industry have completely flubbed this.

It should be noted that there are SOME children's comics book publishers, notably Boom! Studios, but their reach is limited, and they're quite niche. It was the big dogs who dropped the ball in this regard, and the effects have been industry wide.

>there's a manga for that

manga almost always comes first and there's countless amazing manga that will never get an anime. Not everythings about advertising, thats just what westoids think because they cannot comprehend drawing a comic that is so good it is enjoyed without a fucking cartoon or line of toys.

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>>7924775
The only comic "industry" left in Europe is the french one, and it's supported by the state and the ministry of culture.
>>7924778
They're all old, over 40, and live off the government subsidies
>>7924808
>they are in a much healthier position than US comics in their respective home market.
I doubt it
>>7925044
Nobody but retired boomers and millennials over 40 cares about Western crap. This is the /a/sian century. In 20 years, when this demographic dies out, panini and bonelli will end up being bought by J/a/panese or Korean publishers.

>>7924765
It's true, BUT it if you really REALLY WANTED IT.... You would still do it.... even if it meant you were poor and die poor...

>>7926227
in 20 years, publishing houses won't be a thing, dumb weeb

>>7924659
The Japanese manga industry is just massive, it's like 3-4 times the American one alone and the American one is half mangas anyway, the amount of works published is insane, the amount of publishers, magazines or just web publishers is huge: Jump+, Ichicomi, Web Action, cmoa, Ganma, KurageBunch, Corocoro, Ciao+, etc...
And it's been like that since way back, the doujin scene is also massive, so is the porn scene, every niche is covered from popular series in shonen jump to magazines for children to the wide variety of mangas for adults covering everything from sports to romance to fantasy to comedy to drama to niche porn

There are various reasons for this, Japan is the second most populated economically developed country, and Tokyo is the largest most urbanized city. This has historically made distribution easier, even events like Comiket have been possible due to this, as well as the emergence of new or niche publishers. There's also the influence of Tezuka

By contrast American comics always had to rely on a handful of large companies and distributors, which made shit like the comics code authority possible. The prominent model has also historically been IP controlled by corpos and writer/artist duo getting hired which is awful for creativity, and the comics code killed the smaller indie innovators

It's inevitable that large publishers that only rely on making 1000+ volumes of the same characters with little other to offer will inevitably decline


The real question is why haven't we copied the Japanese model that works so well and had a renaissance, I think there is a possibility but it's just not happening: large corpos are too attached to older models and small publishers struggle, magazines in the style of Japanese ones have been a failure

>>7926227
>This is the /a/sian century.
The pajeet century, maybe. Japan and Korea will suffer demographic collapse 50-90 years faster then whitoids even though their governments aren't activelly trying to kill off their people like western countries are.

By the 2100's there will be nothing but han chinese, jeets, africans and the few non-catholic latinos enslaved by Israel.

>>7926240
>the doujin scene is also massive
People can't comprehend how important this is.
Comiket has been the launchpad for so many careers, the American market just doesn't have anything anywhere near close.
American editors are also nothing like japanese hensheusha. In Japan your editor is your business partner and agent, in America you're a worhtless goon.
Then there's Diamond making sure American comics are only distributed to specialty shops while manga is literally everywhere in Japan.
America set it's comic industry up to fail at every single step of the way.

>>7926243
Pretty much, even in the past any western comic industry was never comparable to manga neither in terms of size nor output or businesses model, the decline was inevitable: you're just publishing the same characters over and over

As for a possible renaissance I think it's possible with the internet but you have a lot of catching up to do, and the western publishers and authors that tried to copy manage struggled at adopting the most basic stuff

We don't even have a good alternative to stuff like DLSite except for maybe itch.io which kinda sucks as a site

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>>7924659
>what should it take for a renaissance of the industry
Nothing is going to change unless theres a massive cultural shift. Westerners, particular Americans arent intrested in reading. In Asia, children are always told reading is a sign of intelligence, hardworking and success. In America, reading is seen as a sign of weakness, low-self esteem and anti-social. There's more pejoratives for people who read than people of different skin colors.

>>7926251
Nah we just need serialised magazines for children like corocoro and ciao that are sold at news stands and web magazines for adults and highschool era like the countless ones in Japan, then you collect in volumes and sell those

>>7926222
>manga almost always comes first and there's countless amazing manga that will never get an anime.
You probably thought you were intelligent, or had inside knowledge, when writing the most basic bitch piece of information that everyone knows, and that does absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.
>Not everythings about advertising
Yes, but when we're talking about sales, it has a lot to do with it.
>thats just what westoids think because they cannot comprehend drawing a comic that is so good it is enjoyed without a fucking cartoon or line of toys.
Everyone (japs and westoids alike) acknowledges the positive effect the anime adaption ecosystem has on manga sales, stop trying to be so contrarian, retard.
And just because I didn't mention quality or genre, or anything else as an issue, doesn't mean they're not. Did you expect my posts to be an entire comprehensive essay that covers absolutely everything?... Get real, faggot.

Also, stop being such a fucking pussy that doesn't actually respond to the posts you're obviously replying t, it's pathetic, more so on an anonymous board of all places.

>>7926261
You are right that the west cares about cartoons and merchendise for comics as a payoff of book sales, but you wrote your posts as if you believe that's the right thing to do and that manga is the same way.

what manga publishers care about is if a manga will be popular and make money, they don't need it to become an anime. It's not nearly as much of a factor as with westoid companies.

>>7926262
>You are right
Thank you. Let's leave it there then.

>>7924659
This is something the comics side of /co/ doesn't like to admit, but the Asian comics are eating our lunch. People can keep debating the merits of western comics versus eastern ones until they're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that manga is competing for the same disposable income, and it's growing faster than the total size of the market, which means someone else has to lose market share.
Detractors will keep saying that manga is a fad, but a large swath of kids reading manga now will keep reading it for 20, 30 years down the line. Manga isn't a fad. Turning all of your characters into zombies is.

>>7926371
>Detractors will keep saying that manga is a fad, but a large swath of kids reading manga now will keep reading it for 20, 30 years down the line.
While I don't disagree with you, I'm sure American comic fans were saying similar things at various points. What's popular today, may well not be popular tomorrow, and what's a habit now, may be broken tomorrow as well.
Just look at how streaming and youtube have eaten television and theatres lunch; you could argue that streaming is essentially a more convenient equivalent to either television or going to the theatre, but that also means that something is easily replaced by another equivalent, like American comics were with manga, and like manga can be with American comics again.

We have no idea what the future may hold... the isekai slop trend of manga may become so pronounced and series that it essentially drowns out good manga and causes manga to become stigmatised to audiences, much in the same way capeshit has to american comics.

>>7926402
Even if you combined all of the comic artists in the world you wouldn't be able to match even half of the manga market creative output, it's not something that's tied to a few large companies like Hollywood or Marvel/DC, even if Shonen Jump died there'd still be all sorts of magazines with all sorts of target audiences, plus web publications and doujinshi

>>7926418
>"It's too big to fail!"
...Yeah, sure.

>>7926438
Because it's not a single publisher, even if Isekais flop or 1 or 2 major publishers flop the manga industry is too vast and interconnected, smaller artists and doujin circles aren't gonna stop

If Marvel or Disney flops in America it's gonna affect half of the industry

Unless all Japanese artists get wiped out by a plague the industry won't fail, artists will just change publishers

weebs are impossible to talk to, genuinely repulsive

>>7926439
>If Marvel or Disney flops in America it's gonna affect half of the industry
You do realise that comics were THE form of entertainment in America at one point, and that there were many different publishers... What happened to them? What happened to all those series and publications? What happened to the large comix scene of independent american comics?
Things change, tastes change, the economics change, politics change, and any of these things can cause a massive downturn in manga sales and its market at some point.

So yeah, "too big to fail".

>>7926452
The scale and capillarity of the Japanese manga industry is unlike anything I have ever seen in any other creative industry

Even if it stopped exporting and both Europe and America stopped buying mangas it'd still survive, killing it in its entirety is such a gargantuan task comparable to killing the indie games industry

Sure in theory it could fail, but I'm not seeing it happening

I've yet to see a japanese media-inspired western work, even a good one like Radiant, that truly replicates the appeal of genuine anime/manga. In fact, I'm not sure if such a thing is even possible. You can copy the aesthetics and art style(s) of manga as accurately as possible, but it's impossible to replicate the finer cultural nuances that make it recognizable as such. I'm talking about how the characters talk and act, the kind of stories that are told, and even entire character archetypes that are found in anime but nearly non-existant in western fiction. When you're as familiar with otaku media as I am, anime-influenced works that don't have their own unique identity (think about all those Netflix cartoons and how they all blend together visually) create a weird sort of uncanny valley effect-- they look almost like anime, but there's something "off" and unappealing about them.

>>7926452
>What happened to all those series and publications? What happened to the large comix scene of independent american comics?
Same thing League of Legends did to other MOBAs, DC and Marvel did to comic shops "sell our slop, you may only sell our slop, we'll give you a million dollars if you fill your shelves with America Chavez". Any competition was pushed out and not allowed to flourish, until now, where capeshit doesn't sell at all while manga does gangbusters, so stores are dropping them entirely.

>>7926946
They shouldn't try to replicate them exactly, but use them as a basis and build on them with their own influences

A lot of anime/manga inspired stuff is pretty shallow, but there are a few decent obscure works that aren't that bad

Not enough to build an industry though, and they lack good market placement. The only western comics that sell well right now are youtubershit

>>7926952
You're so completely wrong it's baffling. What I spoke of was well before comics went the direct market route.

>>7926976
So what, you were alive in the 1930s?

>>7927018
Did I need to be?

>>7927033
Independent comics existed both before and after DC/Marvel, it wasn't until much later they established their monopoly

why are there people here defending western comics?
Sure there are good ones but the system is designed to make it hard for them to grow. The big two turned comics into a commodity devoid of soul and did everything they could to kill the comics industry so it would just be them. Education has been in freefall for the last 15 years. Other entertainment industries have brainrotted the youth and actively discourages them from reading. AI is now being pushed on them so they'll lose what creativity they had left. And ON TOP of all that, America is collapsing week after week. Its over on every possible level.

>>7926228
True, and you should do it if you really want it, but rightists are very hesitant to part with money, thats provided they even have the interest in patronage at all. Most rightists will not fund you, they won't engage in patronage. They're not cultured, they don't engage with art critically beyond the most basic shit.

Again, you should do it, but be prepared to be niche and have the character to take it as a passion project, to do this purely for the love of the craft because you likely won't be successful - irrespective of quality - simply because the audience isn't there

>>7927057 meant for >>7924765 too

>>7927057
I don't care for these labels like "rightists." The fact is, for thousands of years and across all societies and civilizations, NEVER has there been an organized program to convince children they can choose to be the opposite sex, and then to irreversibly disfigure them by means chemical and surgical, to the point that they will never experience normal sexual function and many will, unsurprisingly, end up despondent and suicidal.

That's fucking insane, and abnormal, and downright evil, and it doesn't make one a "fascist" to state the obvious.

And most of the rest of what I wrote is also pretty reasonable, I think. There's nothing wrong with interracial marriage, per se. But why is it *promoted* so heavily in entertainment and advertising? Actual interracial marriages in the US (for example) make up 11% of all marriages, while black/white couples, which are by far the most commonly depicted, are less than 2% of all marriages. So why do they show up in so many TV shows and ads?

It's reasonable to assume it's because the people doing it hate whites and want them bred out of existence—in particular because many of these people have said so explicitly and repeatedly! That's just true.

As for the rest, even leftists would agree the economy sucks and the government is corrupt.

Are you saying a person who believes the above (all of which is true) is not cultured and can't engage critically with art? Because that's absurd.

>>7927088
I might grant you everything you just said, it doesn't change what i'm saying in litterally any way.

Rightists don't engage with art. The people going to opera, to college, to art galleries (even where trad reigns supreme), to movie preservation centers, to more avant guarde places and functions, its all left wingers. They're the ones funding it, paying the most attention to it, directing the discussions around it.

Even if you want to say rightists were and are forced out of the arts and 'high culture', which is true, to a degree, that doesn't change the fact that you barely see even the effort to produce the infrastructure for their own art, artistic critique, and when someone making art does appear, they're either nowhere to be seen or they're there and doing nothing with it. The online right wings intellectual abilities are rested squarely in reactionary content and podcasting.

Thats just the facts, the most artists get out of the right are the impotent wailings of things being woke. You don't see them doing close readings of a script, you don't see them trying to come up with a symbol langauge, you don't see them making their own films - even low budget films - much less support those who do.

>>7927088
>>7927095
Even among the reactionaries and podcasters, most of them haven't even read the foundations of their own philosophies, nor engaged with the art that defines their own ideologies. How many 'natsocs' or even german right wingers, even intelligent ones, even 'thought leaders, how many of them have watched Wagner? How many Anglos have read and watched Shakespear? How many rightists have read Evola? How many of them have read de Maistre? How many have a critique of Burke, let alone read Burke?
How many of them know anything about right wing modernism beyond a Jonathan Bowden speech? How many of them can appreciate a Picasso or a Dali peice?

The closest thing to cultured'ness' a right winger, even people whom are at the fore front of the right, has is their video games and you'll take note that they effectively lost gamer gate and now gaming, on their own terms, is shit and been captured by retarded indie devs who make games purely for the sake of streamers to get bored by.

I'm not a leftie, but a greater portion of them read and engage with culture than rightists do and thats just a fact. They're the ones making the indie scene - whether movies or music - they're the avant gard (not a great one but still avant gard never the less)

>>7927088
>The fact is, for thousands of years and across all societies and civilizations, NEVER has there been an organized program to convince children they can choose to be the opposite sex, and then to irreversibly disfigure them by means chemical and surgical, to the point that they will never experience normal sexual function and many will, unsurprisingly, end up despondent and suicidal.
your argument would be stronger if you didn't appeal to tradition, no matter if you're right or wrong. you could go "NEVER has there been an organized program to convice merchants and craftsmen to press a reed wedge into clay so that they can pretend the clay has memory" and describe a sumerian reactionary complaining about the invention of writing

>As for the rest, even leftists would agree the economy sucks and the government is corrupt.
this has been the core tenet of marxism since marx, yes. liberals are not leftists, they're cultural progressives/transgressives with right-wing economics

>it doesn't make one a "fascist" to state the obvious. [...]
> [...]
Are you saying a person who believes the above (all of which is true) is not cultured and can't engage critically with art? Because that's absurd.
no, not that they believe in it, but that all of these things are taken at face value as self-evidential and obvious. to just take everything for granted is the antithesis of engaging critically with art

additionally
>>7927095
this anon is especially right, because
>you barely see even the effort to produce the infrastructure for their own art, artistic critique, and when someone making art does appear, they're either nowhere to be seen or they're there and doing nothing with it
a lot of cultural conservatives instead bemoan how things SHOULD be without taking active steps to make them like that. if you accept the premise that we need to be seeing more conservative art, what are you doing to produce that art, stimulate its growth, and help platform conservative artists?

>>7927105
How many leftoids have read Marx or at least Mark Fisher?
The society collapsed at a whole. Left culture is as dead as the right, but the left sees it as a good thing, the right not so much.
In the end all people that are able to create high cultures will die after 3 to 4 generations do to catastrophic fertility rates.
After the collaps, the other people will fall back to what Afrika was for millenia before the white devil came along.

>>7927095
There are plenty of artists, writers and musicians who don't agree with the dominant ideology of the entertainment industry. Are they "rightists"? I think they are just normal people who love art and are put off by the aggressive, militant political posturing that is the main feature and, indeed, purpose, of the creative output of the modern left and its oligarch backers.

I don't want "anti-woke" movies. Not interested in "owning the libs." Good stories have universal (or at least widespread) appeal. The movies of the past loved by left and right alike evinced liberal values or tolerance and freedom of conscience. The modern left is, in that sense, very much illiberal.

Maybe the "right" is not producing artistic infrastructure or doing close readings or coming up with symbol languages or making their own films. But if the left *is* doing those things, it is certainly not producing much, if anything, of worth. Hence why we are having this discussion in the first place.

>>7927114
>How many leftoids have read Marx or at least Mark Fisher?
certainly more than rightoids reading even the bible. look at that recent interview with trump being unable to recall anything from either the old or new testament for the poster-boy of that phenomenon

>>7927114
Tons. Left culture is 'in decline', only in so far as you might say the weath of white and jewish authors and creators of the left are demographically in decline but 'class stuggle' does work as an exceptionally good rallying cry for acendent immigrants. The white people there are still true beleivers, they still hold the line and they're going to persist for a long time.

Beyond demographics, the only struggle on the left is litterally just marxist and socialist factions reacting against a growing establishment managerial left wing thats emerging. In both cases, they have their art, athough the managerial lefties fund art they have no love for. They're completely insincere where socialist lefties are extremely sincere

>>7927105
>Even among the reactionaries and podcasters, most of them haven't even read the foundations of their own philosophies, nor engaged with the art that defines their own ideologies. How many 'natsocs' or even german right wingers, even intelligent ones, even 'thought leaders, how many of them have watched Wagner? How many Anglos have read and watched Shakespear? How many rightists have read Evola? How many of them have read de Maistre? How many have a critique of Burke, let alone read Burke?

As >>7927114 pointed out, this is a society-wide problem. If you think the blue-hairs making your "progressive" video games and Netflix shows are well-read, you are truly delusional. In fact, most progs are at odds with their forebears. The labor movement, for example, was violently opposed to illegal immigration because of its effect on the wages of working-class people.

>look at that recent interview with trump
Is Trump right-wing? He's a thrice-married New York real estate developer whose theme song is "YMCA" by the Village People and whose biggest institutional backers are socially liberal Jews. He certainly conned a lot of stupid Joe-six-pack rubes and evangelicals, but that's politics on either side of the aisle.

ah 4chan, the only big place on the internet where trump is a leftist

>>7927119
How many rightists fund those 'normal people'?

The left wing has been infinately more influential with their effectivly elitist strategy in modern art than the right or these 'normal people' have with their universal appeal. Especially with A.I now, the 'post modernists' have been vindicated 10 fold.

And the best part of this is, the leftist elitism, being so powerful in its way, has made stories that are left wing seem like bastions of 'basedness' to retards on the right.

Star wars, star trek, breaking bad, better call saul, gattaca, the candyman, the shining, inception, gran tarino, all of these things are left wing, all subversive

>universal appeal
aka lowest common denominator slop

>>7927131
He is though.

>>7927135
100%
This even goes against the online rights stated aims, that they want universal appeal demands diversity (i.e. diversity to appeal to the most amount of people as possible) and it stinks of profit based thinking

>>7927131
Is he not? He is a civnat, which is a left wing, liberal ideology.
I mean can you really be considered right, if you are okey with your people dying out as long as the new people have proper paper work?

>>7927124
>If you think the blue-hairs making your "progressive" video games and Netflix shows are well-read, you are truly delusional.
The woman who serves me coffee at starbucks has a phd. The people getting into these writing positions, provided they have an education at all, have engaged in critical theory. If YOU think they haven't, you're delusional.

>In fact, most progs are at odds with their forebears. The labor movement, for example, was violently opposed to illegal immigration because of its effect on the wages of working-class people.
What are you even trying to say with this?

>>7927121
>managerial lefties
Are there managerial righties, lol? The manager class is explicit lift, pro state. An individual may act in opposite of his class, but overall, if you are a fox, i want to eat chickens, even you feel bad about killing them.

>>7927140
>has a phd.
A phd in what? Yeah, exactly.

>>7927136
>>7927137
he is not, he's an equal opportunity oligarch. the epstein class want equal access to all proles and their cheap labour. there is no liberation or revolutionary fervour in any of it, no result that increases wellbeing for everyone, just total abject misery. it is movement towards corpofeudalism and universal slavery, not universal liberty
>I mean can you really be considered right, if you are okey with your people dying out as long as the new people have proper paper work?
the epstein class does not see you as people. their shared identity is bonding over childrenfucking and owning you, not their genetics. there are people to the right of trump certainly but you don't have to be racist to be right of center

>>7927144
>their shared identity is bonding over childrenfucking and owning you, not their genetics.
You know you are arguing against your own thesis right now?

>>7927147
what thesis am i supposedly arguing against

>>7927143
>Yeah, exactly
STEM people aren't getting jobs and even entry level positions are being outsourced to immigrants.

>>7927140
>critical theory
Thanks for making my point.

>>7927132
>Star wars, star trek, breaking bad, better call saul, gattaca, the candyman, the shining, inception, gran tarino, all of these things are left wing, all subversive
Brand this into your brains. The stuff that you enjoy, and that you defend, the 'normal people' that make art, its left wing.

Right wingers, although not all are incapable of making art, are surrounded by a sea of shit - that being their peers.

If you want to make art and create an enviornment condusive to it, divorce yourself from the right wing. You can still be right wing in your beleifs, obviously, but don't take online aesthetics, don't follow their trends, don't connect with them with the expectation that they have the appetite for art. They don't. Right wingers will defend the art listed above as not being 'political', some might say it is political but right coded, they don't get it. They will never get it.
You're on your own, you have to make your own audience and each creative will have to start from scratch, with litterally no guardrails, mentors and support (whether monetary or otherwise).

>>7927149
Trump not being right

>>7927105
>Even among the reactionaries and podcasters, most of them haven't even read the foundations of their own philosophies, nor engaged with the art that defines their own ideologies.
Just the last thing i'll say before i need to fuck off. The right do not even have a conception of themselves, nor concrete aims beyond immigration and the JQ. And in everything they do, they're reacting against the left. There are no true factions in the right, no concrete aims and no ideal world there.

For the artist, that means a lot of them will freely replace you with A.I. and use A.I. because they don't have an exact vision for you to carefully and methodically bring an aesthetic and symbol language out of.

>>7927159
right-wing politics are generally based on financial consolidation, explicit formation of ingroups and outgroups, hierarchy and stratification, acceptance or even desire for inequality etc. the rich are right-wing, even if they support socially progressive things, because their ingroup identity is centered around wealth and further consolidation of it, and they continually make efforts to prevent the lower classes from rising into wealth just the same as right-wingers who base their ingroup around ethnic identity try to prevent foreigners from mingling with them. the divide is just somewhere else

>>7927156
>Right wingers will defend the art listed above as not being 'political', some might say it is political but right coded, they don't get it. They will never get it.
American cuckservatieves aren't right, you know that, innit?
>Star wars
Anti-imperialism
>star trek
Straight up communism
>breaking bad
Mexican cartel members are quirky and funny.
Patriarch of the family gets cucked in the end
The ending is literally a lefty power fantasy of ripping apart neo-nazis
>bcs
white man evil
>gattaca
All humans are 100% equal
>candyman
Never seen the original, remake is as woke as it gets
>inception
Hmm, not that bad compared to tenent for example. Its more like subversive in general.
>shining
black dude kills the patriarch, and ends up with the wife. White man is the only one subverted by the evil. Still, not thaaat woke to be honest.
>gran torino
Straight up sjw propaganda for boomers
Give your car/home/land/granddaughter to the noble Aztec, that's what a true American cowboy from your childhood movies would do!

>>7927165
Today you are rich, tomorrow poor, today you a manager, tomorrow a worker, the most fundamental thing is your biology. If you are worried about money, while your people literally dying, you are decorating a burning house, at best.

>>7927156
right wingers cannot grasp subtext

as par for the course

>/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7927172
glad to see you support wealth redistribution, high taxation for the rich, communal healthcare and soup kitchens for the poor, anon. more people should be like you.

It works the other way around, btw.
Lion King is very right wing coded. Like, not even cuckservative coded mean right wing, right wing. Its a movie about superior Lion master race that is genetically chosen to rule over the Jungle. Wait, wait it gets better, only the golden haired Lions shall rule, not the ones darker in shade, with ugly marks on their faces.

>>7927181
indeed, a lot of stories with reaffirmation of an inherent hierarchy are at least partially right-coded. lord of the rings is another with the conflict between the stewards of gondor and its rightful king and the general affirmation of benevolent monarchy as rightful, or even children's slop like naruto where the main successful characters are all genetic freaks descended from a long line of rightful rulers with freak magic powers

>>7927175
>glad to see you support wealth redistribution
Sure, if you gibe me money. Yes, 100%.
If you take the money, and you give it to a bunch of managers who should distribute it among the "poor", 95% of the money will be consumed by the bureaucratic apparatus and i get 10 dollars in the end, but they scan my anus and brainwash my kids, so they vote for more gibs in the future. Than, no.
>high taxation for the rich
Will i get the shekels or the manager class and their clientele?
>communal healthcare and soup kitchens for the poor
Will i get those things for free, or will i pay for the alien drug dealer and his 5 prostitute gfs?

>>7927189
> me
> me
> me
> give me
> will i get
> will i get
> me
> me
> me
this is a portent of your extinction

>>7927198
Oy, way, the empathy trap isn't working anymore, hahaha?

>>7927207
if you can't have empathy for the poor of your race that you claim to love, then yeah the zios win out. this is historically how the jews accumulated wealth inside the ingroup, by trading beneficially among each other and helping out the poor of their group while extracting wealth from the outgroup. you can't both complain that they control everything and not even want to consolidate wealth inside your racial group, it's retarded.

coincidentally, it's also why anime is very hard to break into as a foreigner: the capital available to you as an ethnic outsider is much more limited than what you get as a jap. if they put out a job offer and have a great foreigner candidate and a lower skilled local, they will sign on the most dogshit local if they can even when it loses them money

>>7927210
Charity requires surplus. If you try to give what you don't have you end up enslaved by usury.
It's the one and only thing Muhammad got right over Jesus. First you get rich, THEN you support your neighbors.

>>7927174
Sadly this kinda of thought is the background logic behind most form and definitely modern ART

>>7926946
>>7926974
Despite people complaining about the netflix anime look today, funnily enough there's not a single American action/adventure cartoon from the late 90s to 2010s that WASN'T inspired by anime in some shape or fashion.

>>7924993
The speculator market is what killed comics in the 90s
Now you're bragging about the exact same thing happening to TCGs?

>>7924993
I probably could have been rich I didn't know these cards were worth anything. My dad had a moving business and he got a whole tank load of these cards off this guy when I was a kid. Like thousands and thousands of these cards, unopened, I didn't know what to do with. But I didn't care about it because of Yugioh. There had to be some rare ones in there. I could have been a magic the gathering ebay seller or something.

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>>7924963
yeah here i took the time to take a picture

>>7924959
I haven’t stepped into a Barnes & Nobel in 15 years. I can only imagine it’s just a hipster spot to sip coffee at in the front lounge and nobody buys books.

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Look at this.
Do you know what this is?
This is all that comics/manga is. Pen to paper, drawing.
Absolutely everything else is unimportant next to this.
All adaptations, advertising, editors, assistants, marketing, regulations,
none of it matters next to this simple fact, that all there is, is pen to paper.

The entirety of Fullmetal Alchemist, Dragonball, Naruto, One Piece, Demon Slayer, etc could be made by one person, alone, in their bedroom doodling in a notebook.

There is no magic Japanese gene that prevents westerners from coming up with these ideas.
There is no magic editor that is required to succeed and that without it there is no hope.
There is no immense investment of time and effort required to make one of these that it cannot be done in a single lifetime without help.

Drawings, on a page, the product of one person, that is all there is.
The only question, is why hasn't anyone done it yet in the west?
What's really stopping you?

>>7937849
In the face of this, you might say that time is the biggest obstacle

For sure many people work busy jobs and have no free time to produce a 100 chapter manga of 20-40 pages each.
But equally there are many people that do have the free time. Look at the amount of people who spend tens of thousands of hours playing videogames, or are engrossed in elaborate hobbies of travelling, sports, etc. That's not even to mention the people who are independently wealthy and can easily take a year off of work to cruise around in a van for fun, if they even have to work at all.
I don't care if you personally don't have the time, enough people do that this isn't an excuse for why there are no good western made manga style comics. Not one that compares to anything coming out of Weekly Shonen Jump

>>7937849
>>7937853
Second to this is talent, maybe you don't have the skills yet.

Maybe you want to make a comic/manga, maybe you think you have in your head the next Dragonball or whatever... but you're not ready yet.
Well why aren't you ready? What have you been doing all this time?
Speak to any of the current famous mangaka and they tell you that they were inspried by x, y, z, famous mangaka from the previous generation.
Sure back in the 80's, nobody in the west had heard of Osamu Tezuka or Yoichi Takahashi, which inspired many of the mangaka of the 80's.
But we're in the 2020's now, anime has been huge in the west for a full generation.
The famous mangaka in Japan today were inspired by the very same anime that YOU in the west watched as a kid.
It got them to become artists and make their manga, why didn't it get you to do the same?

Maybe you're still young and you've only been drawing for a few years,
but there are countless hundreds of thousands of artists who have been drawing for long enough now, that have grown up with anime and manga... they have produced no manga of their own.
Where is it? Why has it not been made? Out of sheer love for the medium, why has it not been made?

>>7924659
Nobody has money. Comics do well when people have disposable income.

>>7927471
Thank you, I will make sure elon continues to accumulate wealth along with all the other right wing billionaires so that we can continue to fund and support israel's universal healthcare while we get ours gutted

>>7924659
American teenagers would rather complain about problematic aspects of Japanese manga still having hentai genre including lolicon and shotacon, than just reading American comics


That's how bad American comics at gathering it's literal native countrymen audience

>>7937849
the reason it doesnt work in the west is because when the entirety of the product depends on ONE person, that person wants to be paid well. America is built on expoitation and wageslavery so the big two realized that having a bunch of master artists own their IPs was bad for the shareholders and CEOs. Thats why they created this gay assembly line system of making comics, so no one person can get too much power and the IPs can be done by literally anyone with enough training. This led to american comics being shit but they don't care because they have the monopoly, if the comics are shit then at least nobody else is making money.

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>>7937911
I haven't mentioned any money at all.
Do it for fun.
Like those guys who spend like 20 years making lifesize movie set replicas in their house.
Why hasn't someone done the same for a comic? A big hobby, dedicating like 20 years to making their passion project?

This thread is fucking embarrassing

>>7937920
well I dont know what you're talking about, theres tons of webcomics made in the west. That's basiaclly the equivalent of what you're saying.

>>7937931
There's not a single webcomic that's even remotely publishable in Weekly Shonen Jump.
In terms of entertainment value.

>>7937944
>In terms of entertainment value.
I might have thought you'd just not found a webcomic with quality production, which could be understandable as there are far more amateur works, but to say there's not a single webcomic that interests you just comes of as incredibly disingenuous.
Just say you only like Japanese comics and refuse to read anything else, and be done with it.

>>7924659
Easy: make a monthly or at most bi-monthly manga magazine targeted at kids and young boys/girls. Model it after Corocoro, make a web version too, make a YouTube channel where you dub some of the comics

Get some YouTubers popular with kids to market it and sell it everywhere: newsstands, small supermarkets, large retailers, comic shops. There are already YouTuber comics that sell crazy well with kids, graphic novels too: it's a viable target audience


Alternatively make a web publication targeted at adults with both website and app, with something like watch an ad to get a chapter or pay a subscription like Gamma and target it to adults, this is better done in English as a global service

Main issue is that lots of non Japanese guys just make fairly generic action-fantasy stories, we need more variety


Make first 1-3 chapters free, print collected volumes of course

>>7924659
original stories with original artwork

anime is going the same direction with them putting all of their investment into iseak/truckkun/fantasydungeon stories & anime artwork

at least in the western sphere there was original artwork

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>>7937963
I say entertainment value because that's the only way to specify what I mean.
If I were to say 'quality' or 'artistic merit', you or someone else would be very quick to bring up something like pic related, and make some argument about intellectualism and whatever.

But I really don't care about that sort of view of comics, nor really does anybody else.
Demon Slayer sold 82 million copies because people like it. Millions of people looked at Demon Slayer and said "I like this, I shall buy this".

The western comics industry doesn't need underground avant-garde pseudo-intellectual artsy-fartsy comics that nobody buys.
It needs Demon Slayer. It needs something that tens of millions of people will buy.
And that comic will look something like Demon Slayer, like Naruto, like Dragonball, like most of the heavy hitters that are published in Weekly Shonen Jump.

Because where there are millions of fans buying one comic, a few of them will buy another comic that otherwise wouldn't ever have sold a single copy.
Hiromu Arakawa's manga about cows, Silver Spoon has sold almost 20 million copies.
If it weren't for her previous work, Fullmetal Alchemist, that sold over 80 million copies,
her cow manga would have been lucky to sell more than a few hundred copies.

You cannot create an industry with a cow manga, but you can create an industry with a classic battle shonen.
And when you have an industry, everyone thrives.

>>7938363
The last thing we need is more series that try to be Naruto or Dragon Ball but end up being extremely generic action-fantasy instead

Honestly the Japanese industry itself is struggling to find successors to those series

I can't really think of many genres where there aren't enough mangas of in Japan already to be honest, probably children stuff like what is published in corocoro: that's an underserved market, children and parents are so starved for content they'll buy them YouTuber comics and, worse, AI generated books

>>7938372
>don't try because you might fail

>>7938373
There are two issues with trying to replicate shonen jump

1. A lot of the attempts I've seen are too generic and don't stand out, they have vague and unappealing titles, if you wanna compete with jump you gotta make something with appealing themes like ninjas, pirates, greek gods, ancient rome or egypt, maybe knights and not people with powers in a vague fantasy setting. It's not even generic high fantasy just some guys with powers travelling

2. Shonen jump is a WEEKLY magazine, the best attempts I've seen at replicating it are either authors that just publish volumes or tri-monthly magazines. On top of that you're already placing yourself in direct competition with jump itself which has some of the best circulating mangas in ALL markets. Even in Japan battle shonen outside the 4-5 big titles of the moment in Jump or Magazine don't really sell that much and most of the oricon charts are filled with Seinen, romcom and Isekai

>>7938390
>1
WSJ itself also struggles against this very same challenge, this isn't unique to people replicating it. Where something is popular there are copycats and many of them fail. But that's no an excuse to simply give up and never try making anything ever again.
Battle shonens are popular with males aged 13-25 and probably always will be. They must be made.

>2
I don't care about the weekly part of WSJ, that's just their format. It could be monthly, bimonthly, yearly, it really doesn't matter.
Most people read these huge titles years after they've been completed, it's not the publication schedule that determines their popularity it's the manga itself.
If you had the entirety of Dragonball start to finish in hand, and imagining Toriyama new existed. You could just post that fully completed anywhere and it would still be immensely popular, because the manga itself stands on its own.

>>7938401
I'm not saying to give up, I'm saying if they wanna compete they're gonna need to do much much better than they're currently doing, or aim for different genres entirely

To be honest with jump's current state now is the best time to create competition

Jump being a weekly magazines that's available everywhere matters, esp since battle shonen is a more mainstream genre rather than one that appeals to hardcore otakus: it generates momentum and interest, it allows to gauge interest and reactions, and it doesn't take 1-2 years for a series to get 1 volume of content out

>>7938411
I get what you're saying. Of course publishing as frequently as possible builds momentum and hype and all that, and that's crucial to success...
But the balance of power is still entirely on the comic/manga itself.
If you had a shit manga published weekly or even daily, nobody would read it because it's shit.
But if you had a good manga that was published yearly, it would still be popular, because it's good.
It would be more popular if it was published weekly, but you see what I mean? Without the actual manga being good, nothing else matters.

I agree they need to be better if they want to compete. I've seen indie webcomics that try to be some sort of battle shonen but like you said earlier, they're just magic glowing circle on the back of the hand in vague fantasy setting. But I don't care about those, they're shit. I expect shit to exist. Even in WSJ there is shit that gets cancelled all the time. But where is the diamond in the rough? Surely of all the thousands upon thousands of selfmade webcomics, atleast one of them would be good enough to stand side by side with something like Demon Slayer? Something that if it had been published by WSJ would sell 80 million copies.

>>7938363
american society has prevented an english demon slayer coming out ever since after chowder. corporations in control DO NOT want successful popular series that they can't run into the ground and monetize. And they definitely do not want it created by one guy with artistic skill, they want soulless garbage produced by underpaid teams of writers and animators. The people capable of making an english demon slayer are getting snubbed out by this dogshit society we have, if they EVEN MAKE it to the pitching stage then they'll still be rejected in favor of shit like big mouth.

For anyone not living in the US, it seems strange but there is a simple explanation: America is basically third world on the individual level. Literacy rates here are an all time low, lower than any other country if you really tested it (its actually a bit of a crises but we're not allowed to talk about it) so it doesn't matter if a comic is great because american youth are discouraged from reading at all. The triple whammy of our smouldering education system, corporations pumping out slop and influencing what little culture we have with capitalistic ideals, and the economy so bad that NOBODY HAS MONEY ANYMORE, comics are just completely dead for the average person. you have to be a weird mfer that deliberately seeks out comics here.

>>7938458
This leads back to the expulsion of right-leaning people from the arts.
Robert E. Howard, Will Eisner, Watterson, Liefeld, Mignola, McFarlane, Miller, Madureira. All understood natural hierarchy and realized they should be calling the shots and getting the lion's share of their creative work, not mercenary distributors or usurers.

The usurers couldn't allow that to happen. Natural hierarchies threaten them because they prey on weak, desperate people who will take extortionate loans to pursue fools errands they're purposefully not equipped to succeed at.

Ironically mangaka platform into success by combining the right-wing goal of hierarchical authority over the project with left-wing means of cooperative networking through doujin circles. By the time they're proven they're also backed by enough renown to negotiate for creative freedom, while all western comic artists aspire to now is sucking dick for the opportunity to draw batman in some shit side title because the kikes go six million hairs balder every time they have to pay royalties to use Deadpool.

>>7924659
Comics repeat the same 3 or 4 stories ad infinitum(batman, superman, spiderman etc) The only thing that changes is sometimes the guy is now a girl, or the white is now black, surface level shit that doesn't matter, not that any of the writers care as capeshit is the lowest of the low especially in the writing department
As for anime the stories either take too long(naruto, one piece, HxH, etc) or get meaningless continuations after their conclusion, like burito, new mangas are a mixed bag but most of the time don't live up to their predecessors, black clover was the usual shit with a different coat of paint, MHA was capeshit but japan, with writing to match unfortunately, JJK is a fucking joke with writing that feels forced, as if the writer didn't know what he was doing, and this is saying something because naruto's writer was writing as he went along(at least for the first part) and yet still he managed to make a somewhat cohesive story with sensible themes, the only good story currently being written that is not obscure or old was kny and it wasn't anything amazing or ground breaking, but that story is over and you can see the company trying to milk it since everything else is garbage

>>7924659
part of its just that the publishers kinda do fuck all now to advertise which means that nobody knows they exist even if you can read them online.
another thing is that most comics outside of japan have to be bought at niche comic book stores as single issues unlike japan where you can walk into any corner store and grab a magazine full of 10-20 chapters of different series from that publisher

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>>7943455
>Comics repeat the same 3 or 4 stories ad infinitum(batman, superman, spiderman etc) The only thing that changes is sometimes the guy is now a girl, or the white is now black, surface level shit that doesn't matter, not that any of the writers care as capeshit is the lowest of the low especially in the writing department
Honestly, manga suffers from this terribly as well, not to the point of regurgitating the same character introduction over and over, but regurgitating the same story premise, set-up, character arch-type, and even they're looks, over and over.
Manga and Anime fans will scoff, but just look at how much isekai slop has been made;
all set in a vaguely western european setting,
all have the protagonist shout 'STATUS' to their abilities,
all have adventurers' guilds that have F-S rankings, as explained by the hot female guild receptionist,
all of the protagonist's allies will be hot females, becoming a harem,
and of course the protagonist will not bother making a move on the girls until much later in the story, despite the women all throwing themselves at him.

And it isn't JUST isekai, though it probably is the worse offender;
Sports manga all have the same loser to hero set-up sort of akin to Rocky,
Cooking Manga are mostly the same, with guests coming in with some life problems, orgasming over a restaurant's food, and then being inspired by the food to solve their life problems,
Harem and Romance are all the same high-school setting plots over & over, basically not doing anything new since the days of Love Hina.
... and we're over genre tropes and writing for manga - there's some shade to be thrown for overt inspiration regarding artstyles and character design too (pircel somewhat related)

Sure, you can say you just gotta dig through the shit to find the good stuff but... well, isn't that the same for western comics too?
It's why it annoys me that weebs will wave off isekai and harem manga, but constantly harp on western capeshit.

>>7943620
for the last time, the isekai copy paste kun is intended to be a self insert ported from eroge faceless kun.

>>7943653
Firstly, engage with what's actually being said rather than simply replying to an image that's only "somewhat related".
Secondly, why does them being self-inserts mean that they must have shitty similar designs? What, can't have a self-insert with a buzz-cut?
Thirdly, you're only proving my point; the characters all look the same because they're all the same character type? Yeah, brilliant display of originality there.
Fourthly, if they were real 'self-inserts', they should probably look more like nerds than hip emo-kids.

>>7943679
The early 2000s ran the nerd with glasses Mc into the ground so much, in fact. You must be a zoomer if you don’t remember. Now we have copy paste kun to resemble ordinary Asian boy hooks up with blonde haired angel with and other girls that don’t look like they’re of this world.
>similar designs
Low cognitive resolution + one of the characters in that image is a parody of kirito and nearly half of them if not more is voiced by kiritos VA. While you look on the surface of it being lame imagine hearing a familiar guys voice reincarnated into another show that you remember and enjoyed for over a decade. You don’t drop the anime, you keep watching because “oh shit, my man has this role”. The committees know what they’re doing.

+ only the girls designs matter. You don’t scroll twitter to see fanart of Smartphone Isekai boy (if looking for it) you scroll for the girls.


The male in an isekai doesn’t need to standout any more than being an overpowered God that makes the women around him tinkle down their legs in awe.

>>7943720
>Low cognitive resolution
Opinion discarded. Try speaking in terms other than memes, faggot.

>>7943748
It doesn’t matter. I’ve enjoyed the isekai era of anime more than any other time of anime. That’s all that matters.

>>7943620
There's a big difference between stories that are copies of something.... and stories that ARE just the same thing

When you read some isekai slop with a main character like in your picture, you know he's going to go to the adventurer's guild, find a harem, have some stats power, etc etc.
But it's still an original story. You don't know for sure just how derivative it will be, it might break from the mold, you don't know exactly what the story is, or who the characters are.
It's like listening to a piece of music by a band that kind of does the same thing all the time. You know what to expect but it's still a new song.

Contrast this with comics, they ARE the same thing. There is no change.
It's not
>The caped crusader stops the bad guy
it's
>Batman, specifically Batman, stops the Joker, specfically the Joker, in Gotham, and he doesn't kill, and he's wanted by the police.
The music analogy here is, this is just Beethoven's 5th symphony. You've heard it before, you know how it goes, it's not new.

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The argument of
>well manga does it too
ignores the scale of the problem

There's alot of isekai slop, there's alot of samey shonens, and even though they're the most popular manga... they're still basically a drop in the bucket of the overall manga world.
You can go to a manga store in Japan, and find entire floors dedicated to things that aren't isekai or shonen.

But comics are overwhelmingly capeshit. You have to dig hard to find non-capeshit stuff even on the internet. And most comic book stores simply won't even stock it.

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It's also worth noting that the reason comics aren't popular is largely because capeshit as a genre just simply isn't very popular

It's comparable to super sentai. It's popular to be sure... but it's only one genre.
Whether it's the mecha genre or the isekai genre or the magical genre, they all may hold some popularity on their own, but it's only when combined into an industry as a whole that you get the overwhelming size of the manga industry.

But comics only have that one genre, the capeshit genre. It doesn't matter how good they make that capeshit, it's still just a relatively niche genre that is unlikely to ever be popular.

They need to diversify their industry, make more stuff that isn't capeshit. And to be specific... make more stuff that isn't capeshit AND sells. Nobody wants to read muh holocaust diaries #353

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>>7944015
>But comics are overwhelmingly capeshit.
Not to be an asshole, but do you have any numbers to back that up, or are you just going on what you personally feel and observe?

Because sure, if we're going purely on weekly/monthly releases, or comics stores which are primarily nerd shops for marvel and DC fans, then I agree they dominate the market in terms of releases.
But comics overall, when thinking about indies and graphic novels? I feel like it'd make up 50% max.
Western comic critics seem to over emphasise the problem of capeshit comics... while not bothering to look into the industry, or even read any comics (outside of manga).

Picrel is dubious, since it's AI and that shit is as reliable as a post on here, but there's likely some truth to it.

>>7944019
>But comics only have that one genre, the capeshit genre. It doesn't matter how good they make that capeshit, it's still just a relatively niche genre that is unlikely to ever be popular.
I hate capeshit as well, but are we forgetting the Marvel movie boom? Superhero comics should have been huge at that point, but Marvel fumbled that ball so fucking hard, it's stunning.

>They need to diversify their industry, make more stuff that isn't capeshit. And to be specific... make more stuff that isn't capeshit AND sells. Nobody wants to read muh holocaust diaries #353
I will agree with this overall, even if I think superhero release numbers are overblown. They should go back to the romance, detective, horror, and other genre comic magazine wells and see if any of those stick. Their numbers couldn't possibly do worse than the current crop of superhero flops they've been releasing.

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>>7944188
That AI is retarded and is including manga in its stats, hence "graphic novel"

>movies
I can't explain to you why the movies succeeded and the comics didn't, but the fact of the matter is that the success of the movies had absolutely no impact on comic sales. And for that reason, it's completely pointless to mention. It's practically a separate market that cannot be bridged.

>>7944188
>They should go back to the romance, detective, horror, and other genre comic magazine wells and see if any of those stick.
Except all of those exist idiot? Americans are just too stupid to read them.

>>7944208
Oh yeah? Start naming them then

>>7926227
>it's supported by the state and the ministry of culture.
Stop talking out of your ass. The CNN selects and supports movies, animation, or games projects because those industries are lacking in France. It doesn't concern book or comics since there are enough big publishers in France.
>I doubt it
I doubt you.

>>7944015

Isekai is the best damn thing that has happened for anime. Your graph image is false. Outside of isekai is the same damn story over and over with only 1 tiny change to the theme no matter the genre. Only a very small amount of anime break the mold and those tend to end up as flops in Japan.

School anime? Okay maybe alien girl comes from outer space and meets boy and his life changes forever…or super a gang of boys vs a gang of girls school anime whatever…it’s still the same premise per episode. You got the festival episode, the sick main character episode, the sus side character let’s follow him/her episode, the birthday episode, the beach episode, the aquarium episode, the I ran into you at the mall and things are now awkward episode the only difference is the theme is alien girl meets socially retard boy and now the theme must fit around these tropes. This goes for pretty much every single genre of anime.

Isekai? There is so much variation you can do but the Japanese can barely write. Only some isekai end up being memorable while others fall off hard but the possibilities are endless* however…

A bad Isekai is bad when the guy dies wakes up in another world overpowered, has some rando mad at him for beating him 1 time with a pushy father and 2 snobby friends who bully said Mc. Mc also has a girl who is madly in love with Mc from day one. Gets into a tournament by episode 3/4 and beats the bully, kills the bad guy by episode 6, gains more girls bets the tournament and gets eyes on him from the whole school, and basically at this point you forget it even is an Isekai because by removing the Isekai element it doesn’t change the story one bit. Loads of these animes, all forgotten.

I would say a good Isekai is when it doesn’t take itself seriously in the extreme or it does take itself seriously in the extreme. There cannot be a middle ground where the Mc has latent power he needs to train. Leveling works in reverse Isekai aka solo lvling

>>7944208
>>7944215
Counting only floppies released in May 2026:
BOOM
>Alice Forever After #4 -Fantasy Drama
>BRZRKR: Light Draws Breath #1 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Fall of the House of Slaughter #1 -Horror Drama
>Hello Darkness #21 -Mystery Thriller
>The Life and Death of Lucas Dreamwalker #1 -Horror Thriller
>Neighborhood Watch #2 -Crime Thriller
>Something is Killing the Children #47 -Horror Adventure
Dark Horse
>American Caper #8 -Crime Comedy
>Concrete: Stars Over Sand #1 -Sci-fi Drama
>Groo: The Prophecy #3 -Fantasy Comedy
>Only the Savage Are Left #1 -Sci-fi Adventure
>The Ring: The Man Who Beat the Man #1 -Sport Drama
>Skate Ali #1 -Sci-fi Teen Angst
DC
>The Nice House by the Sea #10 -Sci-fi Drama
>Bleeding Hearts #4 -Psychadelic Drama
>End of Life #4 -Sci-fi Comedy
>MAD MAGAZINE #600 -Variety Comedy
IDW
>The Exorcism at Buckingham Palace #3 -Horror Drama
>Monster High: Boomuda Triangle #4 -Fantasy Adventure
>A Quiet Place: Storm Warning #3 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Seven Wives #1 -Crime Thriller
>Smile: For the Camera #3 -Horror Thriller
>The Twilight Zone #7 -Sci-fi Thriller
IMAGE
>If Destruction Be Our Lot #1 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Of the Eart #1 -Horror Thriller
>Escape #7 -Sci-fi Action
>Exquisite Corpses #13 -Horror Thriller
>Free Planet #12 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Hyde Street #13 -Horror Thriller
>In Your Skin #2 -Horror Thriller
>Monstress #62 -Fantasy Adventure
>Narco #3 -Crime Thriller
>Red Roots #2 -Crime Thriller
>Redcoat #19 -Sci-fi Thriller
>Royals #2 -Crime Action
>The Thing on the Doorstep #4 -Horror Thriller
>Tigress Island #3 Pulp Adventure
MCM
>Astro Quantum #4 -Sfi-fi Adventure
>Babylon Cove #1 -Horror RomCom
>Dog Tag #1 -Military Adventure
>Exit City #6 -Crime Thriller
>Exploit #3 -Leftypol Teenangst
>Florida Hippopotamus Cocaine Massacre #4 -Crime Comedy
>Is Ted OK? #4 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Terrorbytes #6 -Sci-fi Thriller
>War Wolf #5 -Crime Mystery

>>7944716
I wasn't the one who asked you to list them, but that just proves my point then - there's plenty out there that 's not in the surperhero genre; the industry is just weighed down by the reputation that it's entirely capeshit, and this problem is only further exasperated by manga commentators who don't read comics asserting it to be the truth (usually to further prop up manga, and how varied and unique its stories and genres are).

Though it is interesting that Marvel seemingly isn't trying to diversify their genre releases at all.

>>7944716
ONI Press
>Adventure Time #13 -Fantasy Adventure
>The Autumn Kingdom #4 -Fantasy Thriller
>Dead Teenagers #3 -Sci-fi Teenangst
>EC Catacomb of Torment #11 -Pulp Horror
>EC Cruel Universe #10 -Pulp Horror
>Estuary a Ghost Story #2 -Horror Thriller
>Murder Drones #4 -Sci-fi Action
>Spirit of the Shadows #5 -Gothic Horor
TITAN
>Blade Runner: Tokyo Nexus #1 -Sci fi Action
>Elric: The Sleeping Sorceress #2 -Sci-fi Adventure
>Lenore: Ghost Story #1 -Horror Comedy

And that's it, out of circa 250 floppies released this month almost 4/5 are capeshit.
I could have upped the count a bit with stuff like Conan, Speed Racer, Transformers and Star Wars comics but let's be real those have all been capeshitted. That Elric comic is a mini-series based on one of the books. Savage Sword of Conan is Conan turned into >Batman, specifically Batman, stops the Joker, specfically the Joker, in Gotham, and he doesn't kill, and he's wanted by the police.

Also notice by far most of these are horror. And not even funny spooky but outirght gore most of the time. With superheroes becoming super serious 40yo millenial power fantasies and most of non-capeshit being gore, is there really any question left why even nerdy kids still into analog books will pick manga over them?

There's also one comic specifically targeted at girls in here a Monster High boys love issue, next best thing is the supernatural rom-com hallmark movie for 40yo landwhales Babylon Cove.
Girls would likely pick up Monstress, Skate Ali, Exploit or Murder Drones if made to pick a comic from the list but none are explicitly targeted at them like shoujo and josei are in Japan. Even though it's well known women consume more analog media, and just outright consume more in general, the American comics industry has completely given up on them.

I seriously doubt US Comic Publishing will even try to force itself back to mainstream. It has both Hollywood and Video game industry ready to entertain the youth.

>>7944731
>Hollywood
Isn't the film industry going through a rather serious downsizing itself? Videogames too, are having a hard time turning a profit; for every hit AAA game, there's a massive company destroying flop; for every Indie hit, there's another dozen that didn't even get double digit sales.
Entertainment as a whole is going through a weird time.

>>7944731
And that's retarded because print is magnitudes cheaper to produce than film or vidja and capable of much high profit margins.
But it's genius because the real cost of american fil and vidja production is in (((marketing))) where (((accounting))) consistently makes it so movies that sold billions actually didn't make any money and banrupt the studio to avoid paying investors.
Of course the people running that scam wouldn't want another industry looking like a better investment than Hollywood.

>>7944727
>superheroes and gore
So Chainsaw Man?

>>7944753
Is 223/250 manga chainsaw man?
Stop making this retarded argument you just got debunked thoroughly.
Even if the majority of manga is shonen they still have large offerings of manga for adult men, manga for adult women, manga for girls and manga for kids.
There's ONE non-capeshit book for girls there. Five for kids. Four or five for teens. Three for adult men, one for adult women. Everything else is for manchildren.

So why do people of all ages and social status read manga in Japan but only manchildren read comics in America?

Must be because everyone in Japan loves Chainsaw Man.