A lot of people envy Japanese animators because every other nation's cartoon industry is a smoldered pile of rubble by now. But what I personally envy is doujinshi culture. Every city has their own community of artists who run conventions where you can interact with local artists and sell your artwork. The best America has are small zine fests which are usually inhabited by snoody snoodsters and commie art appropriators Anyone else feel this way?
America has anime conventions, same exact procedure to become an exhibitor. The only thing we lack is 18+ conventions so people can avoid minors. But right here>very city has their own community of artists who run conventions where you can interact with local artists and sell your artworkyou're lying that the west doesn't have an equivalent.
>>7934269It doesn't really matter anymore, since I have internet. I don't want to interact with random strangers. I just want people to see my drawings, and the internet can help with that.
>>7934286>The only thing we lack is 18+ conventions so people can avoid minors.That's the problem. What mostly sells is sex.
>>7934312there will always be excuses. go draw, anon, and see you at the next con... right?
>>7934312I'm sure it'll eventually happen. It's money on the table left wide open for some firm to snag up.
What's stopping you from making anime zines?
>>7934286only the major metros have niche ass conventions, and its usually like one annual thing done in the summer, who do you think you're fooling lmao>>7934354its not about the animu, doofus. It's the fact that self-publishing fan art and original creations is huge in japan, and that should be the case everywhere but it isnt for some reason
>>7934269japanese copyright holders have this implicit unspoken understanding that fans making money selling porn of their characters is basically free marketing for their franchises, in the west, you'll get sued pretty quick selling porn of western characters, I really don't know how artist alley artists in the US don't get DMCAed by crunchyroll and sony who have a defacto monopoly on localization licenses.
>>7934360>only the major metros have niche ass conventionsand the main event is never "sell your own stuff". Even indie comic fairs shove actual indie/amateur creators in the dark
>>7934269I'm gonna be blunt: the Japanese have this because Tokyo is the most densely populated city on the planet, that's why you can make entire conventions dedicated to doujinshi and get tons of talented artists and fans in the same place at the same time, they also have a pretty much dedicated website for doujin works in DLSiteIn the west you have what, Itch.io, limited spaces in general conventions and in some countries really obtuse obscenity laws
>>7934385My europoor shithole has a homegrown comic market next weekend and half of it is actually people selling fanzines. The other half is industry circlejerking, at least it's mostly domestic.Then there's a general nerd market late in the year, but the focus is selling random trinkets.Finally there's a Marvel/DC Comic Con where indie artists have a corner somewhere. But visitors were only interesed in anime, cosplay, k-pop and learning chinese instead of cape comics so they had to bring in Don Rosa.
>>7934404>the Japanese have this because Tokyo is the most densely populated cityWell comic markets are everywhere, my friend. In the bustling city or in the boonies, they are fucking everywhere. And I think the culture itself (dj circles especially) came from the school clubs that are mandatory in middle and high school.
>>7934417Okay but it's a simple fact that having the largest city on the planet is fertile ground for that kind of activity and the manga industry in general: easy distribution, large shops, large conventions, etc...Trying to replicate it in other countries is a struggle
My country has one convention, it happens twice a year, if you want to sell something you have to get your booth space reserved many months in advance. Most of the convention is panels about how to do a subversive communist takeover of the entertainment industry of a country that's half way across the world.>>7934269Anyways, the animation industry is the same thing as the doujin market. Most of the world follows an economic theory according to which it's good if the entertainment industry doesn't produce anything, that being the logical conclusion of a market where producers want a higher market share at the cost of a smaller market overall, and an excellent way of enforcing that is to pretend that animators become directors which automatically means that there are only as many animators as there are directors, which requires purposefully limiting the amount of people who can get into the industry.>>7934404This can't be true, because comiket is the largest convention of its type and within top ten conventions by attendance of any type. There are big cities all over the world that are able to get large audiences, and in all other metrics Japanese conventions are proportional to everywhere else, but only Japan has doujin conventions. If comiket was small it would be plausible for it to be impossible elsewhere, but it's huge.Japan has roughly two large doujin conventions per month.
>>7934269>The best America has are small zine fests which are usually inhabited by snoody snoodsters and commie art appropriatorsThen attend those and be part of the change you want to see. Though I do get you, Zines have an air of art-school pretentiousness that attracts those sort of crowds, despite zines really being anything about anything you want.Hell, start your own event - the original comic conventions were hosted in people's basement and homes. These days, people are too dispassionate and would find that too inconvenient to do.
>>7934269I love doujins, I really wish western countries had doujin culture. I try to collect as many as I can but the shipping fees are usually extortionate so I limit it to one or two hauls a year. Some of them are so beautifully made, not talking about the content inside the doujin but even just the materials used are so high-quality I'm really careful not to let the edges whiten or let any damage happen to the doujina.
>>7934360Yes I'm in a major metro area with a population of over 1 million and there is a convention here every year where you can actually get a table yourself and sell your anime art. But regardless...even if that that's true, what conventions outside of Tokyo does Japan have that isn't the same as in America?
>>7934365>get DMCAed by crunchyroll and sony who have a defacto monopoly on localization licenses.because if I were to even talk about this it would get /pol/ real quick
>>7934556Not him but there's various comic markets. The twice-yearly comiket is the biggest and most famous one, but there's also comitia (focused on original works), futaket (focused on futanari works), a touhou comic market I forget the name of and so on. Even the "cons" in japan you guys are probably thinking of aren't really equivalent to anything in america, since they're explicitly commercial marketplaces and always were.
>>7934556they're sprawled all throughout japanthere's 3 types>huge conventions like komike and a few others that people from all over the world visit>doujin fests run by curating companies who host all-purpose doujin markets in venues spread out between different regions at the same time>non-profit doujinshi conventions run by small groups of passionate devotees. these are the most common and the skys the limit in terms of what types exist. There's no such thing as an unexplored niche in Japan
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you need start the movement from online then make it physical when you have enough following. It's harder to force the issue to be physical to be honest. It's all your ability to complete your work before deadlines.Don't worry about that Nintendrones or Japanese coming after your ass. Just make the first doujinshi/fan work completed lmao
>>7934663>make it physical when you have enough followingthats just begging for reddit assholes to ruin a cool thingyou cant just force a culture
>>7934663This isn't how it works and you know it because anywhere where there is doujin culture had it before they gained internet, and everywhere that had internet before gaining doujin culture doesn't have any doujin culture.It has to start in real life or it will remain antisocial wankery.
>>7934697yeah I just assumed it will have to start online, since the question is posted online, on 4chan.
>>7934269>>7934269> The best America has are small zine fests which are usually inhabited by snoody snoodsters and commie art appropriatorsI was part of a zine/comic circle for a bit and we self published stuff, it's honestly just a matter of showing up and doing work. One member of the group started an art group in his neighborhood that is growing, a couple others have been tabling consistantly at local shows. Most everything we've made is beg tier. "Bee the change" sounds dumb but there's nothing stopping you from making a zine/comic, going around to local shops to promote it, then putting a call out to others in the area who want to do the same. Yeah, most of the people are lefty fags but they're also the ones who show up. Reactionary chuds want the system in place and then handed to them but that's not how it works.Also if you're in bumfuck nowhere then start a group and try to connect with another group in a big city. Weeb shit is insanely popular right now, even in the little cities nearby there's at least one hobby shop all the stinky otaku congregate.
>>7934658You don't have to love japan to recognize a gap in our market y'know.
>>7934269>The best America has are small zine fests which are usually inhabited by snoody snoodsters and commie art appropriators If you don't want to do fairs or conventions, ask your local libraries to display and give out your stuff - maybe even make some decorations and display items for it. I think most libraries would love to help local talent, and see it as an opportunity to perhaps boost people coming in if they have unique content not found anywhere else inside.Alternatively, if you're desperate to make money, libraries may still do that for you, but cafes and local stores would be a better bet.
honestly i think the issue is that anglos dont give a fuck about things that arent big budget/franchise. a thoroughly domesticated people who will only by things that are highly produced and processed. even their food is processed, you cant open a street vendor cart in any of the big anglo countries without getting shutdown while they are ubiquitous across asia and the mediterranean which have much larger creator events like the ones OP is pining for.
It's hilarious how ameritrannies are so jealous of everything japanese, and when they try to imitate it they always fail miserably.Let this sink in your little head, you'll never be japanese.
>>7934269unless you plan on selling physical media, which is overrated, you should have no problem starting a webcomic. you could put them in a zip folder and sell them by the issue through ko-fi or e-junkie or whatever site hasn't been cucked by mastercard/paypal yet.your only main issue would be getting enough people to find your work, but that would be an issue even if you went to comiket with hundreds of other artists. my recommendation is to stay off of shitty social media sites and find a niche art website like furaffinity, itaku, or deviantart and gather a small but loyal fanbase.
I plan on making my own circle once [current project] is over
>>7935726>when they try to imitate it they always fail miserably.*they get infiltrated, subverted, and anally gaped by commietroons who police everything to death if it doesn't fit their doomed to fail worldview.
>>7934269Why not connect with local artists who aren't complete fags, and start your own chudcon?
>>7935747its always someone else to blame
>>7934269Your issue seems to be a lack of IRL art spaces that specifically cater to the type of work you want to create and consume. Either you make peace with being in a space not specifically catered to you or start curating your own.
