>>7942517
Xitter retarded faggot attention farming fried niggers giving us false hopes to farm views and likes kys kys kysyjtd kys jyakys kys kys kysfkekiiwiw

>>7942529
you good, bro?

>>7942517
Interesting, it's almost like it'll create a market for start-ups to try and get on their feet w/ humans then - once big enough, fire them all and replace them with computers.

DESU does not seem any different than businesses (ex. clothing brands) incubating in hometown jurisdictions and once exploding moving off-shoring to china or india to cut production costs drastically.

>da headline feels good, we win!
Meanwhile politicians are still selling us out for a chance to be a part of the new oligarchy. Data centers still being erected everywhere. Slop still flooding the internet at increasing pace. AI and its corporate owners simultaneously making things more expensive while making it harder to earn money for 99% of us. Wealth divide widening at record rate. We are so back artbros.

>>7942517
That's only really applicable to language models and the retards demanding it be forced into everything as a companion. Image generation is substantially cheaper/easier, to the point you're better off hosting locally if you have a half decent GPU than whatever cloud based garbage companies try to control with an iron grip. Don't forget "AI" is an umbrella term despite the fact people don't treat it as one and has muddied the waters in what that type of technology actually is.

>>7942517
Called this literally before it was even a thing

>>7942517
There's reports saying that services like Anthropic's Claude Code $200 subscription plan is essentially allowing about $5000 to $7500 worth of compute and hoping that the subscribers aren't using up all the compute allocated. But then people just use their Claude subscription with Openclaw and Opencode (which Anthropic had already blocked nowadays) and they rack up thousands in usage (there's even a ranking of who uses up the most compute).

Also Microsoft is now ending Claude's subscriptions for their employees. After breaking up with OpenAI.
And OpenAI is now trying to sue Apple for breaking up with them and Apple went to Google Gemini for Apple Intelligence
Shit's a shitshow lmfao.

Meanwhile Chink AI labs are just doing their own things with Seedance, Deepseek, Qwen
I'm using Qwen for generating different angles on my own fucking local hardware. No need to pay for any of these shits. Haha. AI my ass. They're just very complicated autocompletes or generative fill in photoshop.

>>7942548
I feel like SDXL is the only image generation models you will ever need nowadays. Fits a 16GB VRAM card and generates at reasonable enough speed. And you can still train your own character lora in 1-2 hours, or concept lora in 4-6 hours. Still has enough controlnets to do 'most' of the things you need for a composition.
Flux? Controlnet doesnt fit. Slows down to a shitter
Anima? No img2img, dead on arrival
Qwen? Actually this one is fine, more like a free local alternative to Google nanobanana.

And Wan2.2 with frame to frame interpolation with some of those model mixes (not the vanilla one) can give a decent frame-to-frame animation reference if you want to draw your own hand drawn animation. At least it cuts the time taken for a 80-frame animation from 1 week to 2-3 days (since I dont have to start from drawing empty shapes, I can just use the character models directly). Still a lot of work but at least not a fucking full time job for a hobby project.

>>7942517
While I'm anti-AI imagery, and in any artform really, I'm dubious.
Okay, let's say it's more expensive than having a human make a single image... every image prompt still makes like 4 versions instantly.
So if a half decent image takes a human Two hours or so, and it takes the AI One minute to make it's 4 generation - the employed artist is going to be like $60 for those two hours or so minimum, are those 4 images from a single prompt going to be that much?
Even taking into account the dubious quality of the AI images, the amount of prompts that could be done with the $60 would probably output something close to want the splopster wants... or has the prices skyrocketed THAT high?

I'm not arguing that my scenario is much like how a studio would operate, but merely that if a slopper wants to slop, he'd probably be able to justify it pretty easily.
And this isn't even considering running local AIs, like the anon above me is doing.

But hey, it's nice to be hopeful. I was never all that worried about AI myself, but if this calms others down? Great!

>>7942537
>once big enough, fire them all and replace them with computers.
If AI costs drastically more than humans, that wouldn't be the case - because it still costs more than the artists they're firing, so what would be the benefit? Though you're right about off-shoring, and that's more likely to happen than being fired for AI in OP's scenario.

>>7942517
If youre an artist and willing to crawl back to those corporate job, hoping for a work after all those backstabbing shit that they've done to you and your people in the past several years then you are a goycattle that can be bought with financial security. Nuff said

>>7942517
Technology can always optimize. Andrew Loomis can't save you
Tik Tok

>>7943077

even artists like to eat, anon

>>7943084
Yeah yeah, two more weeks.

>Tik Tok
We don't need to know where you came from, zoom zoom.

>>7943055
>While I'm anti-AI imagery, and in any artform really, I'm dubious.
they're all operating at a loss, betting on people becoming dependent on their service faster than they run out of VC money
the true cost of a prompt is messy, complex and probably much more expensive than they let on

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thank me
I've been slopping non stop for the last week
i mean, if they're giving out free shit don't mind if i exploit it

>>7943084
The problem with these AI tools in non-coding department is the integration of them into existing tools are very slow and lacklustre. So far the few tools that seems to put in any effort is Photoshop (there's that one generative tool where you can spin the image around), but that's also running on Nanobanana (which is Google's, and it's expensive!). Adobe isn't letting people use their own local models so welp, some stuff is out of the question (that's a good chunk of artists there). There's Krita Diffusion but welp its Krita being Krita so it's mostly autistic implementation. It's like there's barely any artist even using these AI stuff to give feedback on how those tools should be designed (tho there's a not insignificant amount of artists that are actually using AI in the background but never disclose them for obvious reasons)

As for optimizing...
That'll only work if these AI labs are willing to open-source their models to be locally hosted. Which they sure aren't doing. They need their reasons for Murica to build big datacenters so Jensen Huang can sell his GPUs.

i draw as a hobby

i hope ai kills every single artist on the planet

i also hope it kills the slop spammers

that is all

>>7943130
As a quick aside, I've found one of the biggest red flags for AI is just how defined they tend make everyone's collarbones. They're literally jutting out to the point it looks unhealthy.

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AI is mostly going to replace drawfags. People who make marks on the page.
It's not going to replace people who do unique things with their art.
Gone are the days of the anime girl on a white background, and good riddance.

It's about time artists had to actually DO SOMETHING with their art as opposed to just show off how good they can draw.

Are people retarded? Did they not realize that AI companies were burning holes in their pockets to get people to depend on their technology? It's the first stage of enshittification. Open source models are also going to become increasingly sparse. But hey, keep talking about AI jesus saving the world or something. Fucking dumbasses. They all deserve to be made into serfs.

>>7943364
>AI is mostly going to replace drawfags
>atleast 50% of 4chin boards feels inorganic now because of sloppa spam
>sees this as a good thing
fuck off, faggot.

Most art is just dogshit. Like, the fact the generic Pony face gens look better than 95% of the art out there says a lot. It's all just commodity 3d model tracing and shitty looking anime. Art will be for the ubermensch only in the future.

>>7943055
>every image prompt still makes like 4 versions instantly.
Literally doesn't matter.
Pic output is a meaningless metric.
The actual metric is pic usage.
If it takes an artist 2 hours to make a pic, but you'll use it, why does it matter that the AI will output 1 pic plus 4 variants in 30 seconds... that you won't use?
The AI can output 6 bases and 449 variants in 387 minutes, you won't use any
The AI can output 9449 bases and 2 variants in 8 minutes, you won't use any
The AI can output [X] bases and [Y] variants in [Z] minutes, what the fuck does it matter any of it if you are not going to use them?

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>>7943432
I don't agree with slop but if you think about it, scribes would've been pissed off you could make a comment like that with little friction. Your comment would be considered slop. Every piece of writing that didn't take effort to do would be considered slop. Hating on AI is only going to leave you behind.

Learn to make something useful with your art, it doesn't even have to be technically good. Look at pic related. Shit is made in MS Paint yet gets more impressions than 99% of /ic/ artists on here who can draw well.

>>7943493
>The AI can output [X] bases and [Y] variants in [Z] minutes, what the fuck does it matter any of it if you are not going to use them?
This. I don't want an image, I want the specific image I want. AI can't do that.

>>7943493
True, but for someone who isn't artistically inclined, and just wanted an image of a castle for a background, and a picture of a cute girl with pink hair, and if they didn't really have much in mind beyond these things, a prompted image is probably good enough for them.
In that case, they'll be quite quick to take an image that's generated without much fuss.

Like I said, sloppers gonna slop, and will be able to justify it to themselves easily.
Comparing such people to those with specific visions, or artistic senses, is pointless.

>>7943331
I just dont like obnoxious and attention whores
AIsloppers are one
Twitter artists are one
AI witch hunters are one
AI boosters are also one

>>7944741
Some tools technically could but you'd spend about as much time as you'd draw normally. Well maybe 1/4th, but still gotta rack your brain up in trying to get the AI to do what you wanted. Kinda like trying to train a cat and it'll still disobey your command 70% of the time.

I am honestly trying to find something to praise AI for, but anything it could generate i can practically do faster myself without having to fight the rng.
Rendering? Just find the technique and workflow that works for you.

Any non-artist that would use image generation for advertising or such, is just outing themselves, since if you don't really care about how you advertise your product, i will assume that's as much care and thought you put in your product.
You could say that AI, as a tool used by people, is a litmus test.
I mean, sure you can cheat with it everywhere and let it write your thesis, but you will be eventually get found out.

>>7942517
I saw this a mile away years ago when I realize their business model makes no sense as they burn billions of dollars a year.

>>7943331
Just because your life is shit doesn't mean it has to be everyone else's problem. Just kys and get it over with.

>dick around with comfyui (again after got bored of it a month ago)
>oh yeah lets add this one node
>oh also lets add this another node
>tries the author's attached workflow
>nothing happens, random errors. logs couldn't even be pulled out
>okay fine lets just play around with my saved workflow
>clicks run
>nothing fucking happened
>shit did that node just killed my stuff?!
>there's no way that node would do anything right there's not even any requirements installed
>fuck. worst case scenario i'll reinstall comfy
>okay fine i'll remove that node folder
>suddenly video slop machine is working fine again
You know, I think AI is never really going to be hitting mainstream when the most popular local AIslop tools is a mess of spaghetti codes and flowcharts whatever the fuck comfyUI is. AND EVERY SINGLE FUCKING NODE AND WORKFLOW AUTHORS JUST BREAKS SHIT. MISSING NODES GALORE.

AND I JUST FUCKING SAVED A WORKFLOW WHY THE FUCK IT DIDNT SAVE AFTER I RESTART IT???
HOLY SHIT FOSSFAGS CANT HAVE ANY STANDARDIZATIONS FOR SHIT

There. Don't worry guys AIsloppers aren't gonna be mainstream after the bubble pops (i.e. OpenAI, Anthropic, xAI, Perplexity, NovelAI, Pixai and all these AI startups' investors gets the cold feet) . Only the real dedicated autistic people would bother dealing with this shit. Dont know about the chinks AIslop tho. Asians just have different jeans.

>>7942517
market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent

>>7944879
This. Before I started drawing I was an AI fag because the tech was new and cool. If you have even a bit of creativity you will quickly run into a wall trying to force your vision onto the machine. Sure there are tools but too many fixes tend to deep fry the image and lead to visual artifacts. It becomes so bothersome that you just wish you could draw it yourself (I am trying!). It really is only good at feeding you slop with little agency.

Its also surprisingly easy to stand out among ai "artists" with even a minimum of effort and creativity. The tools as limiting as they are longterm arent nearly as limited regarding style and content as the output of the average slopper would suggest. In the end the smooth brain of the slopper is the limiting factor, while the creative types sooner or later pick up a pen.

>>7947743
>Before I started drawing I was an AI fag
I'd like to know more about your way

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AI takes bits of imagery it possesses and morphs them into pictures.

I have been doing that for years.

: D

>>7943493
most of this board is just into art for twitter likes and porn commissions, both of which are mainly driven by people with literally zero visualization whose ability to conceptualize is entirely verbal
the amount of times I've drawn something based on a retarded, vague concept only for the retard to go "wow that's exactly what I was imagining!" when I did even know what it would look like halfway in really put aifags into perspective
basically a large portion of normalfags literally doesn't visualize, their mental "imagery" is basically in the form of a prompt already, so when they tell you they want a picture of a sonic pikachu hybrid who is their son running in a field, and you randomly mash those things together in a random running pose, random, composition and random background because you don't give a shit, what they see is "exactly" what they "pictured" because the image reflects the prompt and they never actually had an image in their mind
it looks like pikachu, it looks like sonic, it's running, there's a field under their feet, yep that's literally the picture
it's why people like that fat larper actually believe they produced an image they had in their mind even when the actual sketch they've drawn for the img2img is entirely different, they operate on completely different perspectives
they don't understand how ai doesn't help artists just like artists don't understand how ai does in fact replace them as far as those people are concerned

>>7947763
Nta, but I was the same. A life of believing I'm not meant to draw and suddenly there's a machine that can make your ideas into images? You tend to jump on it.
Reason I quit was the same as that other anon, if you have even the slightest bit of creative ambition, you will quickly realize just how limited ai is. You end up spending more time building workflows to fix issues and then another few hours photobashing the generations into something that at least somewhat resembles your idea. And once you realize you can't even properly take credit for your work because at some point you can't seperate what the ai did and what you did, you quickly get black pilled on it.

And honestly, I think if ai bros spent even half the time they spend clicking generate on learning how to draw, they'd realize just how bad AI art actually is most of the time. Like I've only been drawing for around 1.5 years and I unironically think my stuff is starting to look better than most of it.

>>7947780
>A life of believing I'm not meant to draw
this. I've always been an "IT guy". I've grown up with programming and computers. I've tried to draw in middle school and even jerked off to my own drawing (kinda success if you ask me). But I just didn't continue doing it. Because, I guess, writing OpenGL renderers in c++, shaders, soldering FM transmitters and MCU boards, etc were a lot more fun to me (even though it was far far away from an "instant gratification"). It was just something more straightforward, something, that my mind was used to do.
So I've started to believe that drawing or "art" is something that only very special people can do. Not "talent" per se. But definitely a "different breed".

Art, in my understanding, is primarily danbooru-shaped things (it doesn't imply renderslop only - I like to see sketches/lineart as well - but it heavily implies anime style adjacency and either lewds/ecchi or cuteness) and sometimes "cool" things. I see fine art as something abstract, boring, snobbery.

And then it was the beginning of 2023. I was completely out of touch with recent news. Somehow I found out about SD 1.5. Not that I didn't know about neural networks in general - it was hype topic in ML back in 2018/2019 already. And I studied it as well: keras, tensorflow, backpropagation formula derivation by hand, some simple convolutional networks on mnist, then some stuff with medical (U-Net, hello) and autonomous driving datasets. But seeing how your GPU can now produce images of realistically enough looking catgirls was "holy shit!" experience. Not just the ability itself but also the fact that 8gb vram e-waste card is enough for such task.

>>7947813 (me)
After that there was SDXL "holy shit!" moment, Pony v6 "holy shit!" moment and Illustrious/Noob "holy holy holy shit!" moment later. I had been using img2img + Krita for small fixes primarily. One day I decided to try to draw basic color blobs as sketch (with mouse lol), then img2img from it.

It was surprising for me, that my """sketch""" had some resemblance of desired pose and rough color blocks for hair, body and clothes. Results of img2img were also quite good. Better than what I expected.
I think that was a moment when my belief "only special people can draw" was challenged, because if a piece of silicon and 4gb file can do what those "special people" do, than I can probably do it too.

And here (almost a year later) I am, grinding my skill, while hoping one day it will allow me to feel as much enjoyment as genning.

>>7947780
>Like I've only been drawing for around 1.5 years and I unironically think my stuff is starting to look better than most of it
I think it's a bold statement and as such it requires a proof.

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>>7947817
>because if a piece of silicon and 4gb file can do what those "special people" do, than I can probably do it too
Funny how we reached somewhat opposite conclusions, but both got inspired to draw. Cause while my "only special people can draw" belief was challenged, it was moreso because I realized I(and every human) had something my gpu doesn't have.
>I think it's a bold statement and as such it requires a proof
You might disagree, and that's fine, but picrel is the most recent thing I finished.

>>7947817
Well wait till you find out the kind of assistance you can get from character loras, inpaint and depth map controlnet (generated from a 3d pose) lol.
You can pretty much generate a rough overall scene, then slowly fill in the details

Though desu in the image generation space I feel like there's not really anything particularly exciting after mid of 2025s. SDXL is basically already a matured space at this point. The newer models like Flux, Anima, Hi-Dream... I honestly don't see any real point for it? SDXL on a 5060 Ti 16GB RAM can basically produce something in less than 30 seconds or about 40-50 seconds with controlnet nowadays. And it's much more accessible to train character loras (if you have a need for it) than the likes of Flux/Anima. Anima doesn't even have img2img lul! Qwen Edit is the only adjacently useful but more in a "Pose this character according to this other image" kinda like NanoBanana Pro.

I use Invoke instead of Krita. First few months of using it it does feels like "holy shit wow I can make my own composition ala Photoshopping", and then realizing I could host it over tailscale and now my phone and laptop has access to my local Invoke too. Though nowadays I'm more in the slump in terms of what idea to make lol, making a composition is still basically 15mins-45mins session anyway, and in the end it's still slop so like what, gonna show it to someone else and then just get called out it's a sloppa? Lmao. The end result is still sloppa though. You can feel like you've spent 2-4 hours on a composition and basically strangling the fucking AI that you want a specific hand pose and it kept giving something else, but if the end result looks like sloppa, it'll be treated as a sloppa. No way around it, pick up the fucking pencil.

>>7947780
Most sloppers get bored in about half a year tops.
Most of the people that made any of the popular mixes of the Illustrious models already stopped midway through last year

>>7942542
>>7942517
>technology should stop at the exact development it had in my teenager days, where it was advanced enough but not as shitty as it is right now!
Why are people so mad that AI will replace a couple of jobs effectively? Really, whats the issue? I seriously dont understand the schizophrenic panic some people have.

The only answer I could think of, are some commie trannies not wanting to admit that workers need billionaires more than billionaire needs workers

>>7943493
Yes, against a top notch artist, against slop artist it would be the same shit but cheaper and faster. 95 of the artists are slop artists

I'm not surprised the slightest. If you let slop in your brain you won't be getting it out. this is what happens when you are controlled by your tool instead of other way around.
In short amount of time lots of begs have permanently fried their creativity and made social suicide by openly announcing their slopping while the market keeps getting better for any who can advertise their shit as organic.

>>7949882
>workers need billionaires more than billionaire needs workers
Based and truth nuke. We are just cockroaches compared to the tech oligarchs who are infinitely more intelligent and worthy than we are. We are replaceable, and even if a million of us died it wouldn't matter, unlike the irreplaceable elites like the Trumps and Musk and Bezos.

>>7949882
>that workers need billionaires more than billionaire needs workers
That is false, for now. AI and immigration are the only way to tip the balance of who needs who to them, and that prospect is terrifying to people.

>>7942517
Local imagen is cheap, if you want that to go away you need personal computing to die for good. Which might be soon, but it's a net negative for everyone.

>>7942517
>le epic feel good news headline
The United States has built over 4000 Data Centers specifically for supporting AI infrastructure, and they don't plan on stopping.

>>7943077
>just starve to death with dignity
How about no?

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>>7952898
no they didn't and they literally couldn't power them if they did, retard
datacenters are a jewish con, same as nvidia's phantom gpu sales

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>>7952991
You're right.

The number was much larger than I originally thought.

>retard doesn't know what a datacenter is

>>7953021
so now youre going to try change the definition of a data center because you lost the argument

>>7953023
we're talking about ai, you stupid nigger, not netflix and amazon streaming services

>>7953023
>>7953026
also, just to hammer your worthless nigger asshole in
>built over 4000 Data Centers specifically for supporting AI infrastructure
>specifically for supporting AI infrastructure
dumb streetshitting curry nigger

>>7953026
>>7953027
ehhh, in that regard you would still be wrong, because like I said before Data Centers are still being built as we speak, sorry goyim.

>has built
>erm uhhh well they're being built!
>ignores the fact the vast majority of announced datacenters meant to be built this year haven't even broken ground, couldn't be finished by year's end if they started yesterday, wouldn't have chips for years regardless and couldn't be powered if they were built in the first place
why are turdies like this

>>7943342
You just have to look at the background, meaning “would someone bother to draw a background like this”

>>7953012
>Mention data center specifically built for ai
>Quote regular data centers
Are you retarded