Is there seriously no way to directly learn to draw and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible drawings" stage?
it sounds like you don't actually enjoy drawing, maybe try a different hobby.
>>7943444I don't like wasting my time producing garbage. I would love drawing if I could draw
you might try copying easier cartoony art styles that you enjoy that are just simple shapes to try and motivate yourself into drawing and build line confidence. shit like sonic.
>>7943452youre a moron and ngmi. have a good day
>>7943452if you consider the act of drawing a waste of time and only care about the end product, it sounds like you don't actually enjoy drawing. maybe try a different hobby
>>7943466Is this the modern art mindset? It doesn't mater how shit and meaningless the final product is, so long as you enjoyed throwing the banana against the wall?
>>7943435Making bad drawings is critical to getting better. If you’re not willing to do that, art isn’t for you.
>>7943486of course not, don't be so pedantic. if you genuinely think that me telling you that you should enjoy the process is the same thing as saying you should just not even care, i don't really know what to tell you. it's not complicated
>>7943435Trace and copy. All of the great pop art comic artists started off by tracing and copying. Look up the Cognitive Method (active recall) for more details.If you find it difficult to study from life, do the marker on a glass/plastic viewfinder method from Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain. Then place some thin paper over it once it dries and transfer your drawing.You may also grind lots of shapes and lines and forms.
>>7943508Well whoop de doo, you enjoy "the process" even if the end result is shit. Good for you. Why are you even in this thread?
>>7943516you asked a question and i gave you an answer >>7943444it's not my fault you didn't like it
>>7943452just quit, faggot.
>>7943435No. No one is good at anything the first time around.
>>7943519That's not an answer. It's the equivalent of saying why earn money if you don't enjoy working. Enjoyment of the task is not necessary to achieve a result.
>>7943452Anon, you can't know that. You haven't ever been good enough to try what it's like being good. You might as well state that you enjoy navigating via echolocation.
>>7943435Anything that requires rote repetition will be replaced by AI eventually. That's why it's easy to replace artists who rely solely on their drawing ability. Learn the fundamentals of art and use AI to create + fix artwork. Learn good composition, learn what good perspective looks like so you can fix it in the AI, etc. This is far more efficient than grinding out 10,000+ drawings while still being able to eventually produce decent artwork. At least that's the path I will be taking.Join us.
>>7943619That example looks like garbage.
>>7943697perhaps a small (ai generated) child will change your mind?
>>7943511>If you find it difficult to study from life, do the marker on a glass/plastic viewfinder method from Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain.I've tried that, and didn't understand what it was supposed to help with. It seems really awkward and much more difficult than just drawing normally, and didn't make it any easier to figure out how to represent the subject with lines.>>7943523The main thing that sets drawing apart for me is that other skills have simpler tasks and projects beginners can focus on while building up towards more complex things. It doesn't seem like this holds true for drawing. Every subject is excruciatingly difficult to draw, and there's no real way to reduce the scope of a drawing. I suppose copying drawings is fairly simple, but that seems so far removed from drawing from life or imagination to me that it can scarcely even be considered the same skill.
There are certainly a few pointers that experienced artists could give you to point you in the right direction and save you a couple thousands of hours. But it's extremely naive to think that anyone who spent years figuring it out, would ever hand you that cheat code on a silver platter and save a potential younger replacement that thorn-ridden road to proficiency.We all went thought that suffering, either suck it up it or leave. Pussy-ass zoomer faggot
>>7943619No amount of AI will change the fact you can't draw, nodraw permabeg (literally)
>>7943714When you first start out you have to train your arm and mind to follow what you see. Studying from life helps you at building your eyes to be able to see correctly for art. Drawing those things on the page, helps train your arms to follow what you see. It will look bad at first, but it takes some time, I promise. If it helps, you may see better progress from drawing random shapes, and trying to copy them 1 to 1 as an exercise, and drawing from dot to dot.I don't think it's mentioned as much as it should, but your hands and arms need training too,.
>>7943714>>7943742Even more, you have to copy and study things in order to draw from imagination. Drawing things from life can help you learn to use your imagination later. You just have to think up what you drew before, and try to replicate it again. After some time, you got it, homie. There's an idea that using reference makes you bad at art, but using references is the only thing that will help us learn how to draw things from imagination. How do you know how to draw a mug from every angle, without first seeing it from most angles?
>>7943435this is just a belly aching thread, an excuse not to draw, a cope, you dont deserve to be great at drawing, you dont know what it takes and you also dont have it, just give up
>>7943435I think that the biggest problem is that you don't know how good will you actually end up to be, because this is mostly talent
>>7943739...uuuh...thats the point...it's the same process for programming as wellhaving ai write the code for you is like having the ai draw for youyou still need to learn art theory but you don't need to draw anymorethat menial task gets outsourcedjust like how it's easier to read/listen to a foreign language than it is to speak/write one
>>7943435Yes
>>7943452This is the mind of a slopper
>>7943773>he says you actually need to know art theory>but he doesn't actually know art theory to save his slopThe blind with crutches thinking he could lead a group of blinds
>>7943435you can just generate using cgpt or deepseek and pretend you did it. You love skipping process already
>>7943435no
>>7943435 Try a simpler style. I made this dog in about 5 minutes. Its appeal is that it is simple and cute, and it is, so it is a successful drawing. Use references, learn vectors if you are bad at the tablet or the mouse, and then you are foolproof. Slowly add in more complexity over time. Doing complex stuff right off the bat means it will look wonky, but that is ok, and you should feel good for challenging yourself, even if it doesn't look exactly like how you want it to in your head.
you know what OP i understand youit's so weird that art is so hard to learn quickly. at its core it's just identifying what you've done wrong, and then never doing it again. why is that consistently so tough? how could you possibly study for years and not see incredible improvement?
just enjoy what you draw, even if it sucks. That means drawing what you want, not grinding boxes or loomis figures.
>>7943435If you want the secret key to 'directly learn how to draw', the closest you're getting would be to throw out the defeatist mindset. Motivation with progressing art is all about making something you're proud of which doesn't translate to instantly getting better. getting obsessed with tracking linear progress in your art ruins hope for improvement because frankly, you just don't want to do it. Lower goals and expectations, draw things you enjoy... ... make art enjoyable and routine. And often that will lead to you naturally having to improve to draw more complex subjects or accurately represent subjects you want to draw, simply because you genuinely want to draw that thing, not just chase improvement.All my slumps and bursts of motivation can be directly tracked to how I view my own artistic output, so dont forget how important that is.
