Is there seriously no way to directly learn to draw and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible drawings" stage?
it sounds like you don't actually enjoy drawing, maybe try a different hobby.
>>7943444I don't like wasting my time producing garbage. I would love drawing if I could draw
you might try copying easier cartoony art styles that you enjoy that are just simple shapes to try and motivate yourself into drawing and build line confidence. shit like sonic.
>>7943452youre a moron and ngmi. have a good day
>>7943452if you consider the act of drawing a waste of time and only care about the end product, it sounds like you don't actually enjoy drawing. maybe try a different hobby
>>7943466Is this the modern art mindset? It doesn't mater how shit and meaningless the final product is, so long as you enjoyed throwing the banana against the wall?
>>7943435Making bad drawings is critical to getting better. If you’re not willing to do that, art isn’t for you.
>>7943486of course not, don't be so pedantic. if you genuinely think that me telling you that you should enjoy the process is the same thing as saying you should just not even care, i don't really know what to tell you. it's not complicated
>>7943435Trace and copy. All of the great pop art comic artists started off by tracing and copying. Look up the Cognitive Method (active recall) for more details.If you find it difficult to study from life, do the marker on a glass/plastic viewfinder method from Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain. Then place some thin paper over it once it dries and transfer your drawing.You may also grind lots of shapes and lines and forms.
>>7943508Well whoop de doo, you enjoy "the process" even if the end result is shit. Good for you. Why are you even in this thread?
>>7943516you asked a question and i gave you an answer >>7943444it's not my fault you didn't like it
>>7943452just quit, faggot.
>>7943435No. No one is good at anything the first time around.
>>7943519That's not an answer. It's the equivalent of saying why earn money if you don't enjoy working. Enjoyment of the task is not necessary to achieve a result.
>>7943452Anon, you can't know that. You haven't ever been good enough to try what it's like being good. You might as well state that you enjoy navigating via echolocation.
>>7943435Anything that requires rote repetition will be replaced by AI eventually. That's why it's easy to replace artists who rely solely on their drawing ability. Learn the fundamentals of art and use AI to create + fix artwork. Learn good composition, learn what good perspective looks like so you can fix it in the AI, etc. This is far more efficient than grinding out 10,000+ drawings while still being able to eventually produce decent artwork. At least that's the path I will be taking.Join us.
>>7943619That example looks like garbage.
>>7943697perhaps a small (ai generated) child will change your mind?
>>7943511>If you find it difficult to study from life, do the marker on a glass/plastic viewfinder method from Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain.I've tried that, and didn't understand what it was supposed to help with. It seems really awkward and much more difficult than just drawing normally, and didn't make it any easier to figure out how to represent the subject with lines.>>7943523The main thing that sets drawing apart for me is that other skills have simpler tasks and projects beginners can focus on while building up towards more complex things. It doesn't seem like this holds true for drawing. Every subject is excruciatingly difficult to draw, and there's no real way to reduce the scope of a drawing. I suppose copying drawings is fairly simple, but that seems so far removed from drawing from life or imagination to me that it can scarcely even be considered the same skill.
There are certainly a few pointers that experienced artists could give you to point you in the right direction and save you a couple thousands of hours. But it's extremely naive to think that anyone who spent years figuring it out, would ever hand you that cheat code on a silver platter and save a potential younger replacement that thorn-ridden road to proficiency.We all went thought that suffering, either suck it up it or leave. Pussy-ass zoomer faggot
>>7943619No amount of AI will change the fact you can't draw, nodraw permabeg (literally)
>>7943714When you first start out you have to train your arm and mind to follow what you see. Studying from life helps you at building your eyes to be able to see correctly for art. Drawing those things on the page, helps train your arms to follow what you see. It will look bad at first, but it takes some time, I promise. If it helps, you may see better progress from drawing random shapes, and trying to copy them 1 to 1 as an exercise, and drawing from dot to dot.I don't think it's mentioned as much as it should, but your hands and arms need training too,.
>>7943714>>7943742Even more, you have to copy and study things in order to draw from imagination. Drawing things from life can help you learn to use your imagination later. You just have to think up what you drew before, and try to replicate it again. After some time, you got it, homie. There's an idea that using reference makes you bad at art, but using references is the only thing that will help us learn how to draw things from imagination. How do you know how to draw a mug from every angle, without first seeing it from most angles?
>>7943435this is just a belly aching thread, an excuse not to draw, a cope, you dont deserve to be great at drawing, you dont know what it takes and you also dont have it, just give up
>>7943435I think that the biggest problem is that you don't know how good will you actually end up to be, because this is mostly talent
>>7943739...uuuh...thats the point...it's the same process for programming as wellhaving ai write the code for you is like having the ai draw for youyou still need to learn art theory but you don't need to draw anymorethat menial task gets outsourcedjust like how it's easier to read/listen to a foreign language than it is to speak/write one
>>7943435Yes
>>7943452This is the mind of a slopper
>>7943773>he says you actually need to know art theory>but he doesn't actually know art theory to save his slopThe blind with crutches thinking he could lead a group of blinds
>>7943435you can just generate using cgpt or deepseek and pretend you did it. You love skipping process already
>>7943435no
>>7943435 Try a simpler style. I made this dog in about 5 minutes. Its appeal is that it is simple and cute, and it is, so it is a successful drawing. Use references, learn vectors if you are bad at the tablet or the mouse, and then you are foolproof. Slowly add in more complexity over time. Doing complex stuff right off the bat means it will look wonky, but that is ok, and you should feel good for challenging yourself, even if it doesn't look exactly like how you want it to in your head.
you know what OP i understand youit's so weird that art is so hard to learn quickly. at its core it's just identifying what you've done wrong, and then never doing it again. why is that consistently so tough? how could you possibly study for years and not see incredible improvement?
just enjoy what you draw, even if it sucks. That means drawing what you want, not grinding boxes or loomis figures.
>>7943435If you want the secret key to 'directly learn how to draw', the closest you're getting would be to throw out the defeatist mindset. Motivation with progressing art is all about making something you're proud of which doesn't translate to instantly getting better. getting obsessed with tracking linear progress in your art ruins hope for improvement because frankly, you just don't want to do it. Lower goals and expectations, draw things you enjoy... ... make art enjoyable and routine. And often that will lead to you naturally having to improve to draw more complex subjects or accurately represent subjects you want to draw, simply because you genuinely want to draw that thing, not just chase improvement.All my slumps and bursts of motivation can be directly tracked to how I view my own artistic output, so dont forget how important that is.
>>7943435Let me guess, codemonkey trying into art?
>>7943435Just do Jackson Pollock lmaoThis painting is called Untitled made with Gouache on Paperdate 1946None of that grind shit, traight to paintingPainting is better than drawing, get on it champ!
>>7943435>Is there seriously no way to directly learn to box and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible drills" stage?>Is there seriously no way to directly learn to pitch and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible meatballs" stage?>Is there seriously no way to directly learn to rock and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible bombs" stage?>Is there seriously no way to directly learn to sign and skip past the "churn out 1,000 terrible jangles" stage?Should I go on?
>>7943706>wolofIt doesn't matter how many pictures a second this shit can churn if it can't produce the one perfect picture you actually want.
>>7946174Pollock was a performance artist, people paid to watch him shit paint on a canvas then (((agents))) used his trash as laundromat tokens.
>>7943452>>7943444i recommend hiring other artists to draw for you is a good alternative. i noticed that i'm less hard on myself for my own permabeg drawings because i know i can get good art if i really wanted to pay for it, so i have less pressure to make my own work turn out perfect.
it's 10000
In starting to think that most of the people here on ic don't actually want to draw
>>7946259From what I can tell, there's way too many people stuck in the mindset of "I want to be a skilled artist/drawfag/etc" but not a single inkling of having something specific they want to manifest. They want the end result that can seemingly do anything, but don't have a real reason to strive for it.
>>7943452thats part of life. even going forward after you 'made it', you will still put out garbage. now stop crying and get back to work you sissy
>>7943619clearly bait but if not, I'm really sorry for your parents' loss
>>7943452>I would love drawing if I could drawI doubt it
>>79434351000s of terrible drawings is directly how you learn to draw.
no way around it. these are double sided sketches+pieces i dont like anymore/dont like enough to properly store. most of it is last years. now get back to drawing, less crying like a women
>>7946188>it can't produce the one perfect picture you actually wantGranted, but neither can you or draw or paint your imaginations perfectly unless perhaps you have 10+ years of experience.A lot of the arguments against AI don't have much weight to them. It's hard to find genuinely good arguments against them.And I don't take a stance for or against AI. I'm open to hearing genuine logical takes, but those are extremely rare.
do you guys even like drawing
>>7946605pretty sure most people don'tit's pretty rare to actually enjoy drawingmost people just want to make art, which you can do in a lot of ways like 3D, photography, sculpting, and now AIbut some people seem hell-bent on suffering to learn to draw instead of just trying other mediums
>>7946578No. You can draw exactly what you want, lack of skill just means lower quality. I can draw exactly the style of clothes and accessories and whatever that I want on my characters. AI will just not get it right until it can read my mind.
>>7946578This shit can't draw any of my favorite obscure characters on model, I can.I don't need a wrong picture that's better rendered, I need my character. AI is useless. It's a toy for addicts without real projects or goals who just want a random dopamine hit. You'll most likely forget it even exist the second you have a whiff or a real stimulant.
>>7946694It doesn't help that there's a lot of misinformation out there about how you absolutely have to learn how to draw in order to paint or sculpt, so you have people trying to get into drawing who just see it as a stepping stone towards what they actually want to do. I would have saved myself a lot of suffering if I had ignored that nonsense.
>>7943435of course there is, get better parents next time, samsara, but then you have to live life here, on this shitty rock, again, are you sure that's worth it?
>>7943435You could just use AI. Most people that think like you uses it and they have great success
>>7943435Not even AI got good at drawing without training.
>>7943452I'm actually good at something (lifting) and it only gets harder as I get better at it. If I didn't feel any intrinsic joy from the act of benching I wouldn't consistently show up to lift despite the extrinsic joy of being able to mog DYELs due to being strongI imagine drawing is similar
>>7946578You have AI but make the most average thing any slopper with access to Grok could make. No new stuff like WAN2.2 Frame to frame gen for animation, or custom character lora, no inpaint to adjust details, no controlnet to control composition or structure, even used the common SDXL resolutions. Fuck off you're just a nodraw. An enthusiastic slopper can take your one image and turn them into a custom character lora and have her fucked by 8 black futa version of her. Why should anyone respect a prompter? You're like saying you should get recognition for pressing a fucking button. AND YOU DONT EVEN BOTHER FUCKING DRAW AND TRACE OVER HER AT MINIMUM LIKE MOST TWITTER ARTIST NOWADAYS. YOU FUCKING USELESS WHORE SLUT FUCK OFF.
>>7947100you've been pissed all day today, anon. you good?
It really doesn't take 1000.100 you get passable200 you get okay300 you make hot shit 5 star work 20% of the time
>>7943452Kek, thread is over right here.OP is a forever /beg/.I don't even know why the thread goes for so long
>>7946241I'm like OP to a lower degree. i enjoy the process but hate seeing mistakes.
>>7946267most of them are just depressed/extremely bored and want an excuse to feel something.
>>7947411They're self-centered losers with protagonist syndrome that think they deserve to be good at shit without trying and get mad when you tell them there are no shortcuts. Some stupid teacher once called them "creative" because they couldn't lie to their face and tell them they were strong, funny, pretty or smart instead. Now we're burdened by their damaged ego.
>>7946738>>7946816>exactly the style of clothes and accessoriesThe whole point of IMG2IMG is to resolve this exact issue.You can lazily photoshop what you want and have AI fix it for you.Pic is a super low-effort result of me doing that.No inpainting or sampling or VAE or any of that shit.Just a lazy photoshop and a lazy prompt for a shitpost no one even cared about.You can draw but don't do it for the end result because AI is always going to produce a better end result when in the hands of someone who actually knows how to use it. Draw because you actually enjoy the act of drawing. I for one do not. Drawing is laborious, boring, menial, and mind-numbing. I'd much rather have it gen something approximating what I want and then move onto things that actually interest me than spend 10+ years grinding drawing just not even get close to what AI can do with a little tinkering.
>>7947100>You have AI but make the most average thing any slopper with access to Grok could makeI didn't make it.>No new stuff like WAN2.2 Frame to frame gen for animation, or custom character lora, no inpaint to adjust details, no controlnet to control composition or structure, even used the common SDXL resolutionsYou mention all these complex things then you say:>Why should anyone respect a prompter? You're like saying you should get recognition for pressing a fucking button.All those things prior don't seem to me as "just pressing button."In fact, 100% of /ic/ wouldn't be able to figure out all those things you just mentioned, much less figure out how to get WAN running on a VPS.>An enthusiastic slopper can take your one image and turn them into a custom character lora Isn't this also true for artists work as well?>AND YOU DONT EVEN BOTHER FUCKING DRAW AND TRACE OVER HERFor what purpose would you even do this?The image in question is just 1 of thousands of images posted on an AI thread.That's just extra effort for 0% gain. Why?Prompters just care about output.If it's "good enough" then they move on. Not this weird perfectionist shit artists get stuck on.And when the bar raises, so will these prompters have to adjust and learn all those separate tools.Right now, we're in the "anime girl on a white background" phase of ai art where anything that is remotely anatomically correct is passable. Eventually, just like real artists, you'll have to start doing something with the gens other than shitting out pretty gens.
>>7947097>he thinks lifting is a skill
>>7943435I self-taught myself basic portraiture in ~6 months (picrel). It wasn’t that hard.>get comfortable and confident with linework and accuracy>study gestureThis didn’t work for me personally but it’s probably a good step to take>study forms of the face and body and how they connect and relate to each otherLoomis/Reilly methods are kind of a good place to start but try to use them just as basic guidelines and not rules to follow>understand the anatomy of what you want to drawCopy medical books and such. Know where every muscle and bone goes on the face. Draw skulls and bones connecting to other bones>incorporate values accordingly>realize most traditional art is not a collection of lines, it’s a jigsaw puzzle of different values>push your boundaries and draw from different angles, difficult poses, harder referencesI think a lot of people who get stuck don’t really understand how to study. You don’t just crank out 10,000 faces or copy Bridgman 3 times. You need to do repetition while allowing yourself to make mistakes and actively trying to understand fundamentals. Drawing a hundred cubes does nothing if you’re not thinking of how those cubes relate to what you’re trying to portray.
>>7947487Mario's shirt doesn't have big ass white buttons, neither the game or movie versions. I don't need "similar", I don't need "passable", I don't need to do three times the work to fix this retarded shit's trash.It's useless.
>>7947509>Skill. adj. A learned or innate ability to perform a specific task, activity, or job with proficiency and effectiveness.It's always retards who speak with the most certainty.
>>7948117What's the context?Nearly all of my posts are for shitposts so "passable" works.What context justifies more work?If you're doing art professionally then that's completely different but if it's just hobby shit where no one really cares about your output, what do you get out of putting in so much work?
>>7948124Anything other than being a waste of life.>>7946816>It's a toy for addictsIs the truth. This shit has absolutely no use other than entertain retards. It would be socially valiable if it also kept those retards from interacting with others but we're not full on pod people mode yet.
>>7947505You useless fuck. You're just an addict
>>7948147>>7948143Those aren't arguments, they're bouts of emotional flailing.Can a single /ic/ user tell me one thing that's wrong with AI that is exclusive to AI?>machine does the workCameras do most of the work too, but you still have to know how to use it, especially to produce quality output.>slopHuman issue. Slop exists because humans are okay with slop. Nothing to do with AI.>stealsNo difference from using references.>fucked up anatomyNot even an argument, not only because the anatomy is significantly better now but because artists oftentimes fuck up anatomy as well.>not a real artistStill not an argument.Who the fuck even cares about this "artist" label?Only people who tie their own self-worth and identity to it.I for one don't give a fuck if I'm a "real artist" or not.>ai art looks the sameSkill issue.>need to reprompt to fix mistakesNope, use "inpainting." Most people don't use it because most people don't care. Why should they?What I personally love about AI art is that it removes the laborious and mind-numbing part of drawing. No more grinding 1,000 hands just to get a picture that has good hands, just some tinkering and finding the right model. I get no dopamine from mark-making so I would never be able to learn to draw well. AI art allows me to get around this while still being able to produce the output that I want. For whatever reason, that makes people on /ic/ seethe.Not having to deal with /ic/ artists is also a huge plus. What a huge burden off my shoulder it is to be rid of the pomposity of /ic/. Now I just spend time with other prompters shooting the shit and having a good time instead of suffering with you lot.
>>7948182>Can a single /ic/ user tell me one thing that's wrong with AI that is exclusive to AI?Did you draw it?>NOSo we can't critique it hence the purpose of the board.
>>7948188Not only is that beside the point, the board doesn't even explicitly state it's for drawing.No mention of drawing specifically in the board title:>/ic/ - Artwork/CritiqueFrom the sticky:>Welcome to /ic/. If you are looking to hone your creative skills...Also, composition isn't a drawing-exclusive skill. It can be criqitued in any form of artwork, even photography. In fact, most fundamentals don't have to do with drawing.>composition>lighting>anatomy>perspective>color theory>proportionAll of these can be applied outside of drawing, in photography, and in AI art. So to say you can't critique it seems like grasping at straws.
>>7948195>2. User-created artwork is submitted for critique, and visual art is discussed. Do not claim authorship of works you did not create.
>>7948198Again, that's beside the point. You keep changing your argument hoping that one eventually leads to a "gotcha!" while pretending like you didn't just lose all the previous ones.So now we're claiming that AI output is not "user-created" artwork? Or will you shift to another argument once I bring up photography again?
>>7948182>he uses gippity for thisMan this faggot is even useless than a limp dick
>>7948205google the definition of "artwork", copy paste it and post it here for me.
>>7943435>1000 terrible drawings until goodI'm at my 7th drawings. 993 more drawings to go!
>>7948118You think you're good at lifting because you can lift a lot, while the definition you showed will also mean any random skinny artist can be good at lifting by just learning the technique even if he can't complete a rep, and that would make you seethe. You cornered yourself in this rhetoric.
you were supposed to get through a few hundred in childhood
>>7948241If you can't complete a rep you don't have technique.You literally proved them right, fucking retard.You idiots legit are too braindead to discuss with. You don't even know the definition of the words you're using.
>>7948205AI output is in fact not user-created artwork. You didn't do shit, you used google to find a picture that kinda sorta is what you asked it for.
>>7948182If you want to use AI for fun then go right ahead. If you feel good looking at the things you generate then nobody can take that away from you. AI has inaccuracies and problems but none of them have anything to do with you personally so if someone says the AI image sucks, that doesn't mean YOU suck. Likewise, if the AI image is great, that doesn't mean YOU'RE great. You can't have it both ways, you want the social credit of generating a nice image while also being free from criticism for the HUNDREDS OF BAD GENS it slops out. Just do it for fun, you're not "skipping" the grind of learning to draw, you're doing something else entirely. Its like switching to a completely new field.
>>7948245I meant cant complete a rep of a high weight you would consider respectable. There, now I win again.BTW I know you are likely the same anon, its clear you type in the same ESL style and I've baited you once again into strengthening my argument. That's 2 for me and 0 for you. Go draw.
>>7948250No, you don't. There are procedures to lifting, good technique helps you go a little bit over your expected top but nobody will allow a 50lbs kid to try WRs unless they want him to die. Lifting is the skill of being able to complete weightlifting excercices through well cultivated physique and technique. Not grug move rock.And I'm not lifting anon I'm >>7946816
>>7948182>A whole bunch of textAdmit you don't like drawing. >Wh... why don't you use AI, anon?Because I like drawing. I can draw bad, I never draw good (yet). But me like to draw, using me hand, leg, any part of me body to make strokes on paper, rock, leaf...With AI, me can't do that. Writing prompts is not the same as drawing. It's more like customer(you) giving order so the artist(AI) will draw and give it to you.
>>7948350>It's more like customer(you) giving order so the artist(AI) will draw and give it to you.This argument doesn't work beyond ChatGPT/Grok/etc.To make AI art that actually looks good, you need to learn how to gen it locally and tweak models to produce the output you want.If you want to use the customer/chef analogy, it's more like you put in an order, the chef gets it's wrong, you go into the kitchen and show them what you want, they still get it wrong, and you spend the next 2 hours explaining each individual detail until eventually they get something approximating what you want. Then you realize you were using the wrong chef the whole time and go and find another one.Using AI art is like becoming an Art Director. You don't do the menial/laborious labor of actually drawing, you just guide your team of artists towards whatever vision you have. Some of us don't like drawing but what to produce artwork, this is how we do it.And I don't think AI art would've taken off as hard as it did if artists weren't generally an arrogant lot. Instead of feeling bad that people are losing jobs/opportunities, people are actually happy that those self-righteous artists finally paid the price for their negative karma.
Jeet here spamming slop really thinking he's cooking
>>7948516>if artists weren't generally an arrogant lot>people are actually happy that those self-righteous artists finally paid the price for their negative karma.I've never heard anyone but unapologetic sloppers say this shit. It's like some fantasy they cooked up to justify their own actions, because deep down they do feel the guilt for it.Doesn't work though. You're still more hated than artists ever were.
>>7948248This is tying your identity to your ability to produce artwork. This is bad whether or not you make art with ai or you do it laboriously by hand. Again, this is a separate point from the "ai art is user-generated" one.>>7948247This is still assuming all AI output is just using ChatGPT/Grok which is just ignorant. This is like assuming all photographs are taken by an amateur with a smartphone. Most are, but there are some that actually know how to use the tools well.>>7948214>from The Britannica Dictionary>a painting, sculpture, photograph, etc., that is created to be beautiful or to express an important idea or feeling : an artistic workNo mention here saying it has to be done by hand or that each individual value or line needs to be done by hand. If that were true, "photography" wouldn't be real art, which is a ridiculous claim.
even catpeegt disagrees with the slopper
>>7948521>>from The Britannica Dictionarynope. i specifically told you to google the definition of artwork. it should be the first response you get, you little shit. you lost, go back to >>>/g/
yeah AI is cool and all but it can't generate tiannanmen square massacre tankman porn and free tibet or death to the ccp audiovisual 4d movies so it's practically fucking uselessalso kim jong un is a fat pig
>>7948516>>7948521Can you go away 7 year nigga?
>>7948520Two things wrong with this.1. People who gen AI art are only hated overwhelmingly by artists. They're not hated by normal people who don't create art. The average person doesn't give a shit how an artwork is produced, they just care about the final product. Just like you don't really care how a video game is made, just that it's fun to play. (Though now that AI exists, people have to pretend like they care about the process now, but that's because they hate AI, not because they actually care about the process.)2. The general negativity of this entire board pretty much proves my point. Even while I was learning to draw and actively fought against AI, this entire board was still extremely hostile. Just being bad at drawing is enough to make the average /ic/ artist hostile towards you. Nothing really changed when I migrated to AI when it pertains to /ic/, besides the fact that it makes /ic/ seethe significantly more because I now no longer have to suffer with them. Since I'm STEM oriented, making AI art is actually a lot easier. You can lie all you want but good AI art is never about typing words and getting an output. If that were true, there wouldn't so much garbage slop online.>>7948525Google?You mean the search engine that says men can get pregnant?You really want to use that one?None of you still haven't answered my question:>is photography art?>>7948530My regret in those 7 years was being a luddite and avoiding AI all this time.I wasted a lot of time trying to learn how to draw which is like spending years trying to become a scribe in current year.もったいない...
>jeetslopper isn't aware of normies suffering from slopfatiguethis nigga really believes he's cookinglmao
>>7948536If you interact with people outside of the internet, you'll know that this "slop-fatigue" nonsense is astroturfed by permanently online people who have severe social anxiety. It doesn't exist.Not to mention that the average artist doesn't even know what slop is. If you upload a painting by a classical painter and say it's AI, artists immediately say it's slop because they don't even know how to differentiate between actual slop and artwork.Pic related left luddites in absolute shambles.
>akshually nuh uh>akshually pic related baited a bunch of bots to earn their $0.02 on Xitteryou really don't get many replies, do you?Maybe slop yourself better epic trolling
>>7948547>um they were actually botsLMAOyou lost the plotnot only are you incapable of defending your own position, you have to keep conjuring up new, unrelated positions just for a 1% chance for a "gotcha!!"hasn't happened yet though, but good luck anyway
>SAAR REDEEM THE ARGUMENTthis sloppeR really thinks he doin something
>>7948551the fact that you've bailed on defending your own position already proves i did something
>SAAR REDEEM THE DEFENSE I DID REEDEM SAAR
>jeeter turns to delusional coping mechanismbetter luck next time, elf nigger
>>7948534>You mean the search engine that says men can get pregnant?follow instructions. or did you follow it and read something that didn't play into your narrative?
Bro, he is epic troll who trolled the trollest and makes everyone epic mad seething (since 2020).. of course he is going to ignore everything that threatens his narrative.
If you’re just drawing for fun, AI isn’t needed. But if you want to make real money from art, you kind of have to use the tools people are using now. A lot of others already do, so it’s hard to compete without it.Most people don’t care how long an artist spent on something, they just want the art.I get that alot of people get upset about this since being good at anything requires effort, but AI isn't going away.
Most ai based profiles are botted and patreons are just money laundering from chinese and north korean governments.Wait for 2027 for this shit to get officially disclosed.
>>7948551>SAAR REDEEM THE ARGUMENTLmao good one
>look inside>it's a slopper thread
It's insane that the sloppers believe no one notices their samefagging
I thought we were discussing accelerating the learning process. Did something happen in india that caused them to spam AI shit?
Probably someone uploading indian street food compilation or something
>>7948604This >>7943619 faggot started posting his sloppa and then other people started making fun of his sloppa. The usual stuff.
insane that sloppers try to dunk on artists so hard yet they got weaker mental that the most autistic fanfiction shipper tumblr tranny
>>7948604there is a likeliness of a mass starvation event either this year or next one due to a resource shortage brought on by the straight and china refusing to expoet fertilizer and food products or somesuch. i can only hope this doesnt mean jeets exporting more humans into other nations, which would be downright suicidal of the hosts. like inviting locusts
>SAAR REEDEM MY ARGUMENT SAAAR SAAAAARRR
Why is no one replying to me?
>>7948543Aisloppers and 3dproonters are getting run out of events but normies love ai guys!You lost. The second data centers started popping up amidst a housing crisis the normie mindset became antagonistic. Companies are already divesting because they realized it's all a scam. Altman owes over a trillion dollars with nothing to show for it.It's over. The second any of the 90yo moguls who invested in this shit thinking it was gonna make them a new body to transfer their mind into before they die realize it's just the same chatbot and dreamscape tech from 1998 with more ram, "ai" is getting nuked and shoved in a shelf for another 30 years.
>>7948573>Most people don’t care how long an artist spent on something, they just want the art.That's why AI is useless. People don't care this shit can poduce a billion pictures they don't want in a second. They want ONE picture and will pay an artist $1k and wait a month to have it. And it's not a tool for artists because the artist themselves aren't getting the pictures they need to reference off either. In the end it's always faster to just do it yourself right once than to pick "good enough" slop from AI then have to trash an hour of work or have to start over because shit's wrong once you put the composite together. What's worse is this trash could actually be used to make artist tools like procedural texture brushes and dust/leaves/cloud stamps but it's actually not powerful enough for that. It's just a toy to keep retards distracted.
>>7948604>Did something happen in india that caused them to spam AI shit?Living in India.
>>7949218You'd be surprised how many people are perfectly happy with mass produced AI slops. Most consumers don't appreciate art quality the way you and art enthusiasts do. Unfortunately, a large portion of the market values quantity, convenience, and price more than craftsmanship.If you look at the top earners in the NSFW art category on Patreon, you'll notice that many of them already make heavy use of AI. Whether people like it or not, there is clearly a demand for it.And the reality is that AI is improving at an extremely fast pace. What looks obvious and low quality today may not look that way a few years from now.
>>7949433>pornNigger
>>7949433Yeah I think a lot of people are against AI in principle but in practice they either don't notice it or don't care. It's like normies think industrial animal husbandry is le evil but they eat hamburgers and chicken every day. They just want to appear moral but they need the slop.
>>7949433>there is clearly a demand for itThere isn't, those accounts are botted and get deleted when mods realize their engagement is inorganic. Slop just makes the scam slightly less obvious.We really are living in 1998.
>>7948521>>7948534>>7948516You aren't creating art or are an artist due to the fact that you and the AI generate things without any real intent. You're rolling the dice over and over again hoping whatever it is that it spits out is close to what you want, and it can only ever be close, not actually what you want. I don't care how "good" you make it look, intention has always been the key factor in seperating art and non-art. The good news for you is that AI art isn't plagarism, I've had this discussion on the other side with people who have real deal AI derangement syndrome, if the lack of intent makes AI generated art not art, then the lack of intent also absolves itself from plagarism as there requires a level of intent to steal from a specific source/sources to be labled as a plagiarist.
>>7949211I know, the end result will be glorious when these sloppers loose their slop machines.
>>7948521what's the moral conundrum behind stealing ai designs anyway is that really bad
>>7949956AI is inherently theft, so giving it the same treatment is morally correct. It's also like using a gameshark. No one is impressed regardless of what the end result is once it's found out. It's really that simple and hilarious sloppers don't realize it. Human skill and experiences have always been celebrated and admired. Cheaters have always been dismissed when they get outed or enough skepticism is present.
>>7949956There isn't any, it can't be copyrighted so you can reference, trace or just repost it with impunity.It's worthless.
>>7949965>ai is theftYou can categorize anything as theft if you twist the meaning enough to fit your paradigm.AI doesn't steal art no more than an artist is stealing art when he uses references.>>7949795>ai generate things without any real intentHumans are using AI to generate things, that's the intent.>whatever it is that it spits out is close to what you wantThis is how taking a photograph of nature works.You can't make a tree sit a certain way or move a certain way, you can only capture it how it is and how it comes out.Though, in AI, you can just use inpainting--essentially rephotographing an area until it looks how you want it.>I don't care how "good" you make it lookThat's the whole point of art though.Even artists are to blame for this particular point being inconsistent due to the fact that they were constantly trashing generated art for having wonky fingers/toes. Now, all of sudden, the quality doesn't matter anymore?>>7949433Most correct post in this thread.People in /ic/, stuck in their little artistic bubble, assume everyone thinks like them.Most people don't care how something was made, only that it looks good.Does anyone in this thread even give a shit where the eggs they bought came from?No.They just care that it is edible.>>7949218You must be living in an entirely different world from most people.The average person doesn't have $1,000 to blow on some furry porn artist to put their favorite pony in a missionary position.>>7949211>ChatGPT has over 900 million weekly active users [...]>Approximately 50 million users pay for premium tiers [...]What normies are you referring to?Normie family members, friends, and coworkers all use AI.Again, what kind of bubble are you people living in that you can't see the world outside of Re ddit?
>>7950503>You can categorize anything as theft if you twist the meaning enough to fit your paradigm.Fine.AI violates copyright law.
>>7950503Fuck off streetshitter
>>7950503ChatGPT stop being a homosexual faggot, thanks.
>>7950503Reddit moment
Honestly Anon, you just have to keep drawing if you want to be good. At some point you have to stop being a faggot about your abilities and keep going. Either stop whining about it and keep drawing until you reach your true artistic vision, or give up.
>>7949525How do you know that it's bots>>7950503I'm >>7949433 . I'm an NSFW artist who currently makes a living through X and Patreon. I don't use AI in my work at the moment, but I think I'll eventually need to incorporate it in some capacity to stay competitive. In this field, posting consistently and producing artwork quickly are both important for maintaining income, and I simply can't create art at the same speed as AI.My goal isn't to have AI make the artwork for me. Instead I'd use it as a tool to streamline certain parts of my workflow, like generating background details, clothing textures, or like other minor elements that can save time and improve efficiency while keeping the main creative work my own.
>>7950701Tell 'em.
>gaise gaise im akshually an artist that makes a living doing epic art>BTW ai good because i can used it to streamline things i wouldn't need ai for if i actually drew>fellow humans i am not a botyou don't drawkill yourself
>>7943452What else do you do in life that your time is so precious? Specially since you're supposed to instantly be good at any constructive hobby, be it going to the gym, drawing or whatever else
>>7949965Everything you encounter influences you.This data you sift, collate and express in your art, occasionally subconsciously. AI is just built to organize such visual data being machine language speed in its assembly of its image library. I am curious how it comes up with what it does. Writing prompts seems as arcane as coding to me from what I've observed in the /b/ threads, and I declare prompt scripting a craft similar to coding. Does a visually based AI know when it succeeds in fulfilling the prompts? What would IT like to make? Can one ask it?
>>7943435that's the easy part. Learning basic fundamentals is already solved for you. The hard part is drawing shit thats technically correct but boring, so you have to somehow learn how to draw with soul again.
>>7943435there is not
>>7950863>How do you know that it's botsBecause their accounts get banned, suspended, deactivated, etc.They claim it's censorship but it's mods realizing they're gaming the system and cutting them out.Tits don't get you banned, less than 1% of your hundred thousands audience being humans seeing ads does.
please don't poke the schizo
>>7943894Thats simple, because they dont study.
>>7951276>Learning basic fundamentals is already solved for you.It seems to me like a complete mystery that no one in all of human history has managed to explain. Every resource seems to have "invent the discipline of drawing for yourself out of nothing" as a prerequisite before it can be approached. Once you reach a basic level of competence and understanding, it looks like there are tons of useful resources on every topic, but before that there's nothing.
>>7957990its because you have to draw a lot and grind until you can actually do the fundamental construction, and that alone filters a lot of people. Nobody wants to draw circles for 2 hours wile studying each one to make the next one more accurate.
>>7957990You can kind of walk someone through the literal first steps of learning how to copy what they see. “Look at the literal lines that make up the outlines of the object and draw them at the exact position and angle that you see them at” is a teachable skill that can be illustrated through examples. But for imagination drawing, if you can’t make the intuitive leap from generalizing from reference examples and abstracting out their 3D form which you can then rotate in your mind, then you’re just fucked I guess.
>>7943435>How do I get better at something without actively practicing my craft? The state of the western work ethicImagine getting into a hobby and not even enjoying the act of getting better
>>7948245Nta but to be fair, you can get stronger just by increasing body weight, there's no such thing for art. Reading books or watching videos won't really make a real dent.
>>7943435nyo
>>7943435you have to believe that 10 is enough, then 50, then 100...though personally i think i was able to stick with it because1: my "eyes"were shit to begin with, i didnt even"know" you could look at buildings from puddles, or that smooth materials like idk car bumper plates can function as a mirror, like i might have noticed once or twice in my lifetime2: i wasnt drawing too bad at the beginning, i could do mammals and humans alright because i had anatomical knowledge from bodybuilding and sports, but anything requiring measuring like anime i sucked at
