If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. OR blog post.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, retards that whine about how hard drawing is or talent debates and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/2Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T1wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/8k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewHardcore (wayback archive):https://hackmd.io/@0uRfwdEoRDsHFz9wibb5sA/ry8nyys6-l>WHERE to get study materials>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickpose.comcharactersdesign.comloveandlifedrawing.composesmy.artlines-of-action.com>Post Your Work and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.When receiving a critique, try to provide one in return>best art teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru HayashiHide Sensei>best art booksThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthPrevious thread: >>7942668
painting challenge
>>7946477 >checkedWE'RE SO BACKThanls OP
drawing challenge
>got into the opyay...
>>7946486bad reference
>>7946486good reference
>>7946477Completed Sticky Updated Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jUeG8UTwDAK8WGC4f79IlBGIAGVipfHvo48RF5Xgxyc/view
I'm sad
>>7946451very niec>>7946497keep it up
My pirated CSP 5.0 randomly stopped working... go on without me guys...
I hate that he still looks off
>>7946510Is that David Duchovny?
>>7946511Mhm
>>7946511I don't know but the one in the middle >>7946510 is George Constanza.
>>7946510because all the angle and size errors add up and snowball. the chin and nose shadow angle is wrong. the forhead shadow isnt angled but straight. the face is too wide, mouth too low, eyes too far apart, nose angling and lenght etc. since its digital, you could just cheaply realign everything, but you should redraw it if you want to learn something. also, dont fill in the shapes till you get it right, jumping the gun. take a break for now/today and come back with fresh eyes, then fix it. the overall outlining should take about an hour and maybe another for detailing/shading, since its rather simple. another isuenthough, low res refs like this will make you symbol draw more, since you cant see everything clearly. the show is lit really well, you could just take a good screencap from the early seasons and have more success. this episode has some cool lights
Apparently, until I draw 10,000 boxes, I can't draw anything.
>>7946517Yeah I'm gonna try again later. I drew him so un-moe.
First dude in a while. I've always had a difficult time reshaping references. This guy looks less like Henry and more like Light.Also, thanks for letting my shitty little tiger into the OP.>>7946510Check your angles and proportions with the reference before you start adding in the details. Otherwise, good job.
>>7946519taking breaks is important
How do i draw from observation without breaking the proportions in the attempt? Im even using plumb lines but one of the objects looks too big or small when i try to use them.Yeah im s retard for asking but i genuinely dont get it.
>>7946527you hold your pencil like a pistol and line up the sights (partly joking) to compare angle, size and placement. it takes time and your willingness to loose yourself and your time in the process. when you feel something is off, you out it aside and break/move around a little before diving back in
>>7946533proko said that was the wrong way to do it though
I don't know if doing these loomis faces is actually helping me but hey alright
>>7946535is penis chop chop time!get ur fresh penisesi still dont get it>>7946535>>7946504>>7946505are you the same person?
>>7946547i think its the paper color throwing me offand the style fluctuates
>>7946550thanks senpai :3ooohhh that explains it :D i dont know either, i just rammed spaghetti on a wall til it stuckbut atleast ur proportions are better than when i first came hereso ur doing something correcthere have this dual pee pee wukong
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>>7946477anyone one here use krita? I'm starting digital art but for some reason my pen sensitivity doesn't seem to work even though I have it on
>>7946561Drivers? Does it not work in any program or just krita?
>>7946510You need to practice blockouts
>>7946510Btw lips too small, eyes too wide apart or you know maybe just FUCKING PASTR YOUR DRAWING ON TOP OF YOUR REF AND SEE WHATS WRONG YOU FUCKING RETARD AND TURN ON/OFF THE LAYERS QUICKLY!!!???!!!Begs I swear...
>>7946518Start drawing things inside those boxes and you'll skip /beg/ in a year.
I haven’t drawn in two months because you told me my work is terrible and I’ll never improve I’m playing more video games now it’s fun but the people in matches tell me I suck and I should kill myself so nothing has changed except I don’t waste time drawing anymore.
>>7946579Stop caring about what randos think
>>7946510
I feel like I'm making progress but, when do I get good? Do I just keep practicing like this? I feel a little insecure about the mistakes I make sometimes, like I should've known better.
>>7946541What it's helping is teaching you control and construction. This is good.
>>7946477
>>7946590You're already better than 95% of the posters here.
>>7946486average reference
>>7946590>Talentnigger progressing in strides >omg guise i am so bad :(Go fuck yourself.
>>7946612Work on drawing through forms
>>7946559really cool
>>7946616Dope
>>7946596Thanks. Sometimes you just feel kinda shitty about your own art and a little praise like that helps a lot.
>>7946483Nice exercice,Im always lazy with the drafting part, excuse the shitty positions , ink and gouache
Done weichun hands
>>7946590Big thing is muscle proportions. The triceps should be larger than the biceps. The biceps now look sorta blobby. Tricep long head should be longer and larger than lateral head. Like just in general your shit would look way better if the triceps were much larger.
>>7946590>>7946663Oh also lats bro. Top middle right should have a girthy lat wrapping around his rib cage. But right now it looks like it's missing. Or inserted way too high or something
>>7946565Is that just getting the shape of the head?>>7946567I just do it again. I think pasting is lazy. I check my work by drawing lines between the eyes and such and seeing what I did wrong and trying to eyeball it based on that, and after I'm done i do it all over again.
>>7946593doll?
PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME DRAW FACES I BEG.
>>7946590FUCKING HUMBLEBRAGGER
>>7946672Game
>>7946683Blended from this traced
trying to work on mimicing and absorbing other assetsi did not draw the face, but drew the ears, tongue, neck, and third eye + some little blending places. my hope is it all feels cohesive
>>7946663> Tricep long head should be longer and larger than lateral head.First I hear of long head and lateral head. Also never really considered the proportions of each muscle between themselves. Noted.>>7946665> Top middle right should have a girthy lat wrapping around his rib cage.I am absolutely atrocious when it comes to the muscles on the side of the torso. Do you have any images showing what they should look like? And thanks, big time.
>>7946486I didn't spend much time on this one since I want to continue what I started in the last thread
Most recent. I haven't figured out how to do a dust texture with markers
>>7946699WIP I should work on
>>7946698Frenchie how do I learn to draw faces like you?
>>7946700Last week. Trying to integrate hatching into my otherwise minimal line style. I cannot into organized hatching. Will practice more
>>7946703Working to make the template robot characters distinct looking individuals
>>7946705Not happy with the face but I put the general energy I was going for. Practice with distant figures in motion
>>7946701start with the glabellaone thing that helped a lot was Hide's course on heads; the links are in the video course threadI recommend watching at least his youtube videos,many of them are dubbed in enghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4JitQqas3o
>>7946510Pretty good likeness for /beg/ standard.>>7946590>e-hentai(dotORG) /g/3897528/c893b3fa7c/This might come in handy for you :)>>7946630Good copy anon, but the bird skull is a little big in comparison with the jar.>>7946656Nice musculature. I like the face expression as well.>>7946689Look good on the thumbnail.
>>7946708Merci mon pote.
What causes the obliques to take this shape here? I get the pelvis is below causing them to widen again but why does it sort of crease along the front?
>>7946720I didn't mean the crease where the abs are, I meant the one on the lower edge
>>7946692Attaches to the back/bottom of the humorous. If you reach across your body or protract your scapula, the lat will wrap around the ribs.
>>7946616sick robot>>7946554monkermilker!
>>7946720If I understand what you're asking that's just where the external obliques attach to ligament or whatever. I forget what it's called. If you're asking why they puff out a bit, the lower external obliques are just beefier than the upper for a lot of people. But it depends. Some people have thick internal obliques which gives them a more uniform look which is called fridge mode on fit.
>>7946728I mean the bit in red here. All the anatomy refs I can find don't seem to show it connecting to the aponeurosis any differently there to cause it. Is it really just larger muscles in the lower part? It just feels off for that to be the reason.
>>7946711Oh shit, thanks man. Yeah that'll be INCREDIBLY useful. Seriously, thanks.>>7946724Got it. I'll try to keep this in mind. Thank you, friend.
>>7946730It's the reason. Larger muscle belly.
>>7946582That just leads to delusion. Next thing I don’t care that people are grossed out by me walking down the street with pants full of shit.
>>7946527By failing. Do it multiple times, reassess, and redraw, OODA loop.>>7946699Salt in watercolor desaturates colors. I don’t know if that holds true for markers. Another thing I would try is using complementary colors with a lower pigment concentration, but I’m not sure how well that works with markers.>>7946703Really cool stuff.
>>7945978>>7946749
>>7946520Decided to do a part 2. First time I've ever done a comic (if you call two frontfacing heads with no background a comic). The boobs are embarrassing, I can really feel my lack of anatomy skills holding me back.>>7946759Thank you! I'll try drawing centerlines. I think my biggest weakness is seeing objects in 3d. I think if I tried to draw a car from memory all I'll get is an amorphous blob. I've mostly been studying from life(photos) but I'll try to do some studies of other artists. Nice hand btw.
>>7946769Here it is in full>>7946748Nice tits
>>7946769>Decided to do a part 2.Good, keep going. The more you draw and the earlier you use your best ideas, the faster you’ll find your own gaps.Developing the eye is the main goal.Check out Walt Stanchfield’s notes on abstracting 3D into 2D. Brush off the word “perspective” for now, just think, How could I make this look less flat?https://www.animationmeat.com/pdf/misc/waltstanchfield/43ws_perspective_rules.pdf
>>7946778FUCK YOU TALENTFAG
>>7946780Rude
>>7946497thumbnail made it look like it was drawn on some chick's body
GOD GIVE ME TALENT
>>7946780Nono. Fuck YOU.
>>7946786>TalentAh ha ha ha ha
>>7946621That feeling of inadequacy never goes away, does it?
>>7946698I think I'm done with the lines
>>7946786seems like average 1 year improvement
>>7946823how long has it taken you thus far, to reach a point of producing sketches like this? its really good
>>7946828about 7 yearsbut learning is not linearsometimes you spend too much time on the plateauwhen something clicks, you go up one or two steps on the stairs
>>7946823Her left eye (our right) looks a bit fucky
Ever saw ants carrying small pieces of leafs? I spent too much time watching them as a kid
>>7946833fair enough and i think you're right about thatim a beg so im just curious about other peoples experiences
>>7946486I do challenge>>7946546CUTE!>>7946616You always do cool stuff!>>7946686That's a good color palette exercise actually, gotta try that>>7946698WOW>>7946699Interesting work as usual!>>7946689NICE!>>7946559Beautiful rendition!>>7946498PRETTY!>>7946612I love these scene compositions you do
>>7946486Been doing Hide's course. It's been helping a lot but i'll definitely have to redo a few of the lessons to really nail it in.
>>7946732That just feels so odd. Appreciate the help though.
>>7946559this is so nice the main complaint i'd have is, you drew the handle much longer and the guard way smaller so the swords proportions look weird. I, and this is an assumption of mine, think you had troubles connecting the sword to the two contact points to the character>>7946867check the right shoulder collarbone armpit area >hide coursethe master figure one?
>>7946708>3d head model from his course>tolerance cranked all the wayI've lost all hope in japan and japanese artists.
three years of innocence, is /beg/over
>>7946880>three yearscount the hours but yeah if you've been drawing 5/7 days for 6-8 hours it's so over. On the bright side there's no industry for you to join and AI is taking over commissions (thank god) , there is no goal here other than to have fun. Hey South East Asians trace AI all the time, maybe go do that if you want to make it, whatever that means, japanese "people" approve of tracing and copying now.pic not related, Korean gods shitting all over japanese shitters.
>>7946882koeran art is completely soulless
>>7946877>check the right shoulder collarbone armpit areaYeah that area is hard to wrap my head around with how clustered it all is. I tried showing the lat and teres major with the folds but it doesn't come across well.>the master figure one?Yeah, that's the one.
>>7946590brother really got MenasLG to follow and interract with himhappy for you bro, great fortune is soon to come
>>7946886For people that suck up feeling the form you guys sure hate it when someone draws with forms and volume.>>7946890Don't even, they are copies, it's so fucking obvious too, souless dogshit art. It's obvious when people actually draw to when they don't don't you think?
i now understand why people used to be so adamant against using references kek
>>7946896You faggot love talking shit while posting works of others. PYW. Spoiler you can't.
>>7946897why
>>7946900he's a retard. Even pros use refs.
>>7946896nta but what exactly makes this soulless? i really like the korean style like picrel and its fun to study
>>7946898over 9999 hours in Photoshop and over 9999 copying the reference on CSP... well it was like 5-minutes
>>7946569
>>7946902I'm pro korean art doe. My guess is that Koreans and Chinese break the mold with actual anatomy knowledge and understanding of volume and forms plus a shit ton of studying. There's nothing souless about their art, koreans and to some extent chinese are the golden standard in 2026.Meanwhile the Japanese keep copying , using references, tracing crying themselves to sleep cause their shitty salary doesn't allow them to live a human life. On the other side of the planet zoomers read dogshit manga like chainsaw man and pogchamp at it the bad product. Hey let's go buy one of those ugly pug, i need a dog that makes me want to kill myself every time i look at it.
>>7946909my bad I misunderstoodWould copying the Korean works to study be bad too then? Should you focus more on realistic figures?
>>7946909the designs always look too busy and overworked>>7946902need guy on the left to rape me
>>7946902they copy the worst things from american and japanese styles and commercialize it into the most bland, soulless style
>>7946904desu based>>7946912>the designs always look too busy and overworkedagree but they still mog, also stop shitting up the thread with pro artwork>>7946720ummmm they just do okay?>>7946724NOOOPE, they dont attach to the back of the humerus, back to the books>>7946656theres a furry general for you you know that right>>7946486lame
>>7946916>they copy the worst things from american and japanese styles and commercialize it into the most bland, soulless styleLet me translate this using Grok:>Anatomically correct anime and actually drawn volumes and forms make the weeb shit and piss himself in anger and impotence.
>>7946917I hate you and your art.
>>7946823experiencing new territory>>7946844I gave it another coat, but I don't know if that's what you were referring to
>>7946918anime is idealized and 2d, trying to make it anatomically correct and 3d is silly. exactly what makes it soulless, they over-studied and missed the whole concept.
>>7946886>amazing art>soullessKeking at this beglet
If I could draw the other eye without spending 2 hours fiddling with it then I would be unstoppable.
>>7946928pyw
>>7946927>I gave it another coat, but I don't know if that's what you were referring toThat looks a lot better yeah, before one being sorta diagonal was the issue. Now the bottom of one pupil being straight while the other is rounded looks a little odd but not hugely noticeable.
is it better to try to improve on busts before moving on to the whole body, or just jump straight to working on the whole form at once?
>>7946944learn what you need, if you dont need anything learn whats interesting to youIf you dont need anything or it doesnt interest you why learn it at all
>>7946928>anime is idealized and 2dThose are cartoons doe, anime's always been 3dpd
Am I allowed to post art here yet? I paid the application fee a month ago
early morning druid drawingfeel like it looks a bit better than usual but still mediocreit's over
>>7946959I don’t trust snakes with horns. Or elves. The arms are too long or legs are too short or their perspective is more like from overhead but torso is more straight on Or maybe they’re kind of bent back like he’s dancing?
>>7946963he's dancing but I probably also fucked up the dancing and proportions I am literally blind and brain damaged and retarded
>>7946964It’s okay I’m high and permaprebeg
an innocent harmless apple im sure>>7946922that makes sense, i hate myself and my art too>>7946927mogs me>>7946937at least its cute
>>7946974Well I like your art.
>>7946827Maybe for talentfags.>>7946882>drawing 5/7 days for 6-8 hours it's so overAre you a fucking neet?FUCK YOU
have u seen this nigga?
i getting a clipboard to draw outside and stuff, but whats the best way to manage loose papers? so far i have been using school lined paper notebooks that stay together, but if I use loose paper do i just have to stack them somewhere?
>>7947030maybe some shit like picrel. not a ring binder so u dont gotta punch holes in ur paper.
>>7946907Now start cutting pieces out the box.
>>7946974>small dom big sub>rapeCringe :[>i hate myself and my art tooI hate you even more than that.
>>7947042shotaguroanon.........
>>7946974Blog Now!!!
>>7947034thats a good idea
>appeal fag is a russianNow it makes sense.
>>7947053how do you know its not seomeone reposting his GODLY artwork
>>7947053>>7947055Double post for double (you)s. Such an attention whore he is.>GodlyIt's good but not that good you cock sucker.
>>7947057have some humor faggot
>>79470592ch dot org/pa/res/955688.html
>>7947061Basically russian /beg/ thread, but cooler.
>>7947044He got banned>>7946546>>7946535
>>7947066hes literally back arleady>7946959
>>7946974g/1504979/ad4cbbddf6/
>>7946974s/e15216741a/879013-1
>>7946974g/2768442/057155b278/
>>7947079>>7947080>>7947083what does any of this have to do with my drawing where no penis is present
>>7946974g/1882516/2dd2a9b115/
>>7947084>Vein is too bigFor the future work of course.
>>7947084>no penis is presentThe small dude obviously have a huge dick print there. Do not think that you can punk me.
>>7947057I crosspost on salt and fig as well btw
>>7947091You attention whore. I hate you
Haven't posted in the thread in a long, long time. Here's some wip i'm doing, pretty boring since it's just a character facing forward, but I still put a lot of effort in making the colors look good :)
Drawing has stopped being fun for me ages ago but I can't bring myself to quit, sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug.
>>7947095nice
Here's the sequel to this >>7943358
>>7947111
>>7946917Why are you censoring your shit now?
>>7947079more cock tutorials like this pls
>>7947053>appeal fag is a russianEven more based than before
not intending to mass reply just lots of bangers this thread and I've been absent>7947111>>7947113Excellent>>7947112cute/fucked up/hot>>7946867Looks fantastic, reminds me of one of my ocs. May have to draw her in this ref>>7946669Very cute. only crit is flip your canvas a bit more
tfw never gonna be an artistsuifuel
>>7947119>not intending to mass replyWe need all the mass repliers we can get.
>>7947123It's not that bad.
>>7947119>>7947128It's hard to find nice things to say.
>>7947130Plus the spam detector and rare reply. It suck to be a mass replier.
>been labouring over studying fundies for the past year and a half, especially human figures so I can draw them from imagination and more quickly since im a slow af artist>got a good grasp of perspective + bones and muscles but still take fucking forever to draw the most basic poses and scenes>people recommend tenten but I can't even manage week 1 >try krenz, he basically just says you have to study even harder and just draw the same thing over and over and over again until it's burned into your brain to draw from memory>look at tenten's book, it basically says the sameI know these masters aren't wrong and I have been doing repeated studies and turnarounds and construction but I'm so fucking tired of studying. I just want to draw for fun but I take so long and suck so hard that it feels like wasted time I could be spending on studying. I'm tired of all this dry stuff. I've always felt like art is my calling but I can't even feel creative anymore. I don't just want to copy reference, I want to be a good artist who can draw whatever they want whenever they want. The thought of having to do even more construction and boring perspective shit makes me want to blow my brains out. IK I'm just ranting and being a weak faggot but it's causing me a lot of pain since I feel like I'm in too deep and can't just throw in the towel and be a wagie.
>>7947113 sad expression
>>7947128no we don't, mass replies are always low quality
>>7947132post work
>>7947134I bet you do not get many (You). Sad :)
>>7946477good OP after that long torment of one bad OP after another
>>7946890I've actually known him for many years now because of a friend we had in common. Hadn't talked to him in a while though. Great guy, incredibly skilled. And thank you!
QUESTIONHow much of your original idea do you actually capture in your drawing (percentage wise)? Im not talking about "ughh i wanted it to look pro but it looks beg..." i mean like "i wanted the angle of the face to be 3/4 but it ended up being straight on" or "i wanted 3 point perspective but i used 1 point">>7947089>too bigonly if you dont like big veinspost some anus/background/pussy tutorials instead>>7947090if you recognize what it is then the form did its job, no need for more details>>7947115i dont want to make it seem like im trying to disgust people on purpose>>7947132nobody gives a fuck blogposter, pyw>>7947112whats the point of writing something in a font thats hard to read
i've never seen a mass reply that's not pure dogshit, it's always the same attention whoring faggots too. Hey don't you guys have a discord or something, i want to see more sad batman move out of the way
>>7947146Batman is a nonce who grooms young boys to live with him and wear extremely revealing outfits
mass replies arent bad, mass hugbox replies are bad
>>7947148wtf i love batman now
>>7947149perilbros... not like this...
>>7947132I also still struggle a lot to draw entirely from imagination. The answer I've found so far is reference. Find and save as much reference as you can, and use them where applicable. If you're having trouble making a pose work, grab a 3D model, pose it, and use it as reference while taking note of what you were doing wrong. I've been doing this in the hopes that these things will be burned into my memory eventually. It lets me be creative and draw what I want to draw while still 'copying' from reference. At least that's how I see it.
>>7947148I was already a fan dude no need to sell it
>>7947146Shut up discord troon. I bet Peril didn't give you any (You). Fon't need to be mad like that LOL.
>>7947152>grab a 3D model, pose it, and use it as reference while taking note of what you were doing wrong. I've been doing this in the hopes that these things will be burned into my memory eventuallyIve been doing this for so long that i've basically come to accept that if you want realism you're gonna have to always use 3d models or exact refs, if you want to draw purely from imagination you have to take the stylization+symbolism+willing to be wrong pill. Look at manga artists pre digital. You can see these things regularly >mangakas obviously drawing stock poses they know by heart (itagaki)>mangakas drawing very very wonky poses, because the scene was more important than being correct (pic related)>mangakas drawing very wonky poses because theyre only human>mangakas very obviously hard-refing poses that don't really work for the scene (araki lol)>mangakas switching into less complex angles when they want to draw something more complex (itagaki when he draws move-by-move sequences)digital artists on twitter take a week to draw one thing and they're still TRACING THE WHOLE FUCKING THING FROM A 3D MODEL, in fact there are whole mangas traced from 3d models nowadays
>>7947132I know that feel
>>7947165I think in the case of mangakas we also have to factor in that they have to draw a ton every day to get their stuff released in time, so they can't fuss over every detail, but you do have a point about twitter artists. I think the bottom line is: drawing entirely from imagination is hard. Much harder than it may initially seem, and it takes a lot of skill to be able to do it.
>>7947173thats what im saying, if you want to do it in a realistic time frame its impossible to draw from imagination>I think the bottom line is: drawing entirely from imagination is hard. Much harder than it may initially seem, and it takes a lot of skill to be able to do it.NO, the bottom line is: drawing from imagination is almost impossible. Being able to draw from imagination is like having perfect pitch, only a selected number of specially talented people will ever be able to do it (kim jung gi), and its not something you can train either
>put a lot effort on cool poses and known characters>barely anyone notices>make a slightly provocative pose of an unknown character>most noticed work everI hate it, i hate it so much.
>>7947095Finished it. I scrolled a bit through the thread and saw some people dooming, and I'd just like to say that sometimes when you're drawing and it doesn't feel fun, just take a break. I know you think you'll stop progressing if you stop studying or whatever, but you won't. It's better to take a break and keep loving to draw than to force yourself to draw out of some obligation you made up in your own head and then end up hating it and quitting. The same thing goes for studying fundamentals, take a break from it, draw for fun. Your drawings don't need to be perfect. what matters in the end is if you're having fun.
>>7947132I just feel like a proverbial monkey with a typewriter no matter how much I study. I've been drawing since I was a kid but every time I've ever produced anything moderately "appealing" it was a result of endless ctrl+z'ing every element until I landed on something that looked passable. If I ever recorded a timelapse of anything finished it'd probably be like 500+ GB and extremely embarrassing.
>>7947178>every time I've ever produced anything moderately "appealing" it was a result of endless ctrl+z'ing every element until I landed on something that looked passablehave you thought about.. not doing that?
>>7947144Not much. Maybe 30 to 50%? Depends on how much reference I'm using. Sometimes I tend to deviate from the original idea when things aren't working out.
>>7947175it's absolutely something you can train. imagination drawing is basically just memory drawing, look up memory drawing system. that said I get the impression it's one of those things that's more impressive to other artists. normies don't give a shit if you use references. hell they barely care if you trace everything, and only are anti-AI because they've been memed into it
>>7947175>drawing from imagination is almost impossible... What? It's not impossible at all. Tons of artists do it. Do you mean it's almost impossible to vividly imagine and then draw every detail or something?
>>7947189Some people can't see the apple. Other's cant rotate the apple. Other's can't put the rotated apple in a 3D plane. It's more likely than you think.Artists call imagination just drawing from memory no? Rotten and Grim, sounds like you are not using your imagination at all. Chess players call memorisation "theory" so i guess it's something similar.
>>7947189the better you are at something the more of your day you need to spend refreshing it to not lose it. So with all the thousands of possible things you can memorize, how much "imagination drawing" you can actually do realistically before you capped out? How many poses?
>>7947193The beasts...
>>7947176>slightly provocativeWhich one. I wanna see.
little sketch. I wish there was an easier way to draw vehicles, I cant seem to get them right. Also fuck wheels. And circles>>7946778Thanks for the critique. I checked out the guide, it seems pretty neat. I'm confused about how exactly I would show overlap with the collarbone, is it just making the line thicker? I feel like most of my problems would be solved if i learned anatomy, those lines i just placed semi randomly based on intuition.>>7947177Really nice. I love the watercolor like texture. I will say though that the hands look a little flat.
>>7946727schmeaty <3>>7946849thankies c:my favourite thing, woman plus sword c:>>7947119welcum baack <3
>>7947210looks like shit
>>7947177>it doesn't feel fun, just take a breakYou know what? Thanks anon. The whole part about fearing that I'll regress if I stop practicing hits close so I'll take your word for it.
>>7947198This one, my idea was to make it look like she was floating since shes a high mage, but didnt go as expected.
>>7947227show panties
>>7947112YESSS...m..m..more..>>7946880This is cool, do more>>7946927Holy shit, did you do that?>>7946959This is nice!, interesting theme and composition, do more like this.>>7946966I love your stuff Racoon man, Saving all of it.>>7946974You're amazing, you seem to be able to draw whatever you want.>>7947111Fucking cool!>>7947119V..Voring? YES PLEASE!>>7947151HI! =)>>7947210Thanks monka!!! Nice Figgies!
>>7946486Ehhhh. Some things went alright, some awful. Was happy with her expression and body, hate how the arms and sword went. Legs probably a bit too short but at the end of the day not as fucked as the arm.
>>7947223Nice Helen of Troy
>>7947230eheheh thanskies :3
>>7947149I'm taking a break from crabbing the thread soz
>>7947229No, i dont draw lewd.
>>7947238But do you draw lewds in private? I keep hearing that all great artists at some point got a big leap in skill level by drawing le pronz.
>>7947223Thanks for the fun ref
>>7947165Thank you anon, this has boosted my confidence a bit.
>>7947152I may just have to give in and accept that I need it, thank you anon
>>7947178Exactly. Nevertheless, hang in there and don't quit.
>>7947168feels bad but still trying to hang in there, stay strong anon
>>7947246No and people who draw lewd improve quick because they have motivation to draw their degenerancy, it has no direct relation to skill progress.
>>7947262put the panties in the maid already
>>7947262>motivation to draw their degeneracyYes I know that's the reason given but..>it has no direct relation to skill progressI mean, it really has a direct relation, it worked for them, it works for people (most people?) with that inner sexual drive. To deny that, is to deny human nature. Anyways, thanks for the honest reply. I'll keep inquiring about it.
>>7947283Why inquire? Pull up something erotic and start drawing, Baka
>>7947266Putting panties inside someone? Fascinating, can you tell me more about this strange fetish?
>>7946486fuck is up with her nose? is this AI slop? and how did'nt any of you begtroons notice all this time?
>>7947301Nostrils are not fully symmetrical. Didn't you know that? Go check that in the mirror.
>>7947301Not sure what you mean, anyway AI would not produce a whole dress' worth of perfectly consistent and symmetrical lace.
>>7947301lmao begs are so cute, buts its good you noticed, this can be a breakthrough
>>7947230>YESSS...m..m..more..Well, thanks! But right now, I'm out of ideas for new drawings in this "direction." Unless you give me something specific, and maybe with a big "maybe", I'll do it.BTW, did you commissioned the pic in your post or you found it?
welp. I tried
>>7947336i think you did good anon though id have another go at the tits
>>7947112>>7947230>>7947234jesus fucking christ what kind of mental illness does this general attract
Don’t encourage the shitty artists.
>>7947341>he doesn't knowa huge number of artists get into art to specifically to create the kind of weird fetish porn they wish existed and only get more "normal" about their art when they start actually getting good and realize their back catalog of furry/guro/vore/feet/inflation/diaper/bread porn is a massive risk to their professional art career.
Feel like her tits are off a bit, but I'm not sure in what way.
>>7947347Too perky, you’re hanging them too high. They don’t attach at the clavicle, it only appears that way because they pull the skin down, but the weight hangs lower. Also needs more sideboob, boobs natural poke out to the side nearly equally to forward.
>>7946486took me a long time to draw this, i guess i can end it tomorrow.
>>7947351the eyes look upside down
>>7947347This is super cool, I love what you've done with the face, expression and hand foreshortening, but other anon's right, boobs too perky unless you intended for them to look plastic. Let 'em sag a bit.
>>7947350It'll never look right since tits at that build are usually artificial anyway. Any refs anon looks up will have bolt ons
penis studies from that infographicidk why these tutorials always show such massive cocks, maybe bc it makes it easier to see details?>>7947347they r larger than her head
>>7947361thanks man, when i was drawing the eyes for some reason i tought i had to follow the perspective line from the shoulders, idk why.
>>7947350>>7947355Gotcha, I'll try to hang em down more and a bit to the side. Thanks!
>>7947132Hang in there anon. Coming up with interesting and dynamic poses is probably one of the hardest things in drawing. I've been drawing for about the same time as you (~1.5 years) and I only recently made a huge breakthrough with this myself. If you're anything like me you always labor over making your figures anatomically accurate and become kinda paralyzed. But really, in the sketch phase, you shouldn't really care about getting anatomy or perspective correct. If you've been doing your figure studies and gesture drawings, you will have some intuition on how the body moves, and the sketching phase is the time to let that intuition take the lead.Once you get a sketch you like, then you can start refining it and fixing stuff. In the beginning this will likely take hours and you might even have to start over a few times, but you'll get better with practice. Cause if you mostly been studying, you've been neglecting practicing to draw from imagination.And in case you are again like me: You might not feel like you have any creativity if you've not drawn anything from imagination for a while. But you do. Just pick the simplest idea you can and do 5-10 quick sketches/gestures for it. I can guarantee you, you will get further ideas.>>7947360That's when you combine stuff. There's big titted women and buff women. As long as you roughly know how to draw the big titted woman, you can transfer them to the buff woman.
>>7947369I guess at that point it's a matter of preference, since it'll still register as nonsensical to the brain. Skill issue on my part it seems.
>>7947347The pecs are attached to the collarbone and the internucular groove, the breasts are not, the breasts are attached to the pecs. you are drawing a man, literally.
>>7947371If you try to make it too realistic, it will look off, yeah. But if you stylize even a little bit, the brain will usually just accept it I think. Like even the most hyperbuff hyperbreasted fetish art usually still registers correctly to me. I don't necessarily like it, but it makes sense
>>7947372>you are drawing a man, literally.uh.... b-b-b-based??
Is there any course or something to learn head contruction? I am tired of drawing faces from memory.
>>7947336Done, I also tried to add some blue and red undertones dont really notice it myself though
>>7947350>>7947355Alright, how's this?
>>7947339oops wrong post responded too.I did what you recommended here>>7947382
>>7947325> did you commissioned the pic in your post or you found it?m..me?.. I post my stuff here once in a while... I ain't much motivated lately. I like characters in peril situations, that's why I liked your pics and I dusted off the tablet for a few quickies lol>>7947234 No prob!>>7947245Best in thread?>>7947336Nice fucking ref right there. It is worthy of a few more tries. Just keep doing figure iterations, don't commit to the whole render, it takes away energy and time, do more rough figure sketches of her. 10, 20, it will look better and better every time.>>7947341>jesus fucking christ what kind of mental illness does this general attractThis board is one of the most sane and polite in this whole site.>>7947351HOLY WOW>>7947381This is a beautiful piece>>7947383That looks fucking good>>7947177Change my mind, this one is the best in thread.>>7947144SAVED
>>7947382>>7947389already a good improvement nice job
>>7947390>Changed my mindIt is a good piece but it's mostly held by the rendering. Not too interesting composition wise>>7947361Is my personal best in friend. Obviously will depend on the final touches but it has potential
I can't even draw a cylinder correctly. Why is this so hard?
>>7947396its gonna take a thousand cylinders to achieve the proper line control
>>7947390>m..me?Wow, did not expected to inspire someone, I'm flattered!I have one more idea for a drawing, but its nothing special. Just Stolas with his head on the block and the axe pressed against his neck.
>>7947383Much better. Looks hot af. Could probably start the tops of the breast even a touch lower, but that might be just nitpicking and it’s a big improvement
Is there any easier way to do this?
>>7947394What do you think i should do to make my drawing better? >>7947366 I still have to draw the sword and shield and do the lineart and basic sell shading, i also want to make a background, a small one.
I wish elf girls were real, le sigh
>>7947423The only thing of improvement might be the bicep/tricep area. It seems a little bulbous for what should be the under view of it. That muscle area does expand out when larger but I don't think to that degree Might be speaking out my ass though
>>7947341>3>>7947346this pretty much
Rough day
>>7947433>>7947366I'm hardly qualified to talk about anatomy, but I'd like to add on to what that anon said. Considering the position of her forearm and elbow, it *kind of* looks like her bicep and triceps are going to the sides, when they should be facing up and down respectively. It's hard to tell for sure with the clothing on top though, so you might've had the right intention all along.
>>7947430Anon her eyes are WAY too far apart. Even for a meme expression.
>>7947445she and elf, a pure blood to be absolutely clear. so she's a little inbred and retarded. which is hot.
>>7947440>>7947366Sort of like this, I suppose. I didn't do a great job, but I tried to give more hints towards her bicep being above and her triceps being below. This is pretty much just nitpicking though, and your drawing looks very very nice!
>>7947230>You're amazing, you seem to be able to draw whatever you want.that drawing was literally me literally screaming and hissing through my teeth the entire time so its kinda funny you have that impression>>7947430for what? so you can jack off to them? you arleady do that>>7947198>immediately wants to see itits working LMAOno but why are you suprised character existing is less interesting than character existing in a sexual context, its literally MORE, more is better>>7947383the whole arm is a bit fucked desualso since she has no bra i don't see why her tits shouldn't sag and splay to the sides as mistress nature tells them to
copying practice from various references
>>7947461nta I love your shit but isn't her arm missing fat? I'd assume she'd have more body fat on her as a whole due to being a chick with fat tits so less of all that muscular sexiness should be visible.(please don't 'pyw' me today i can't back up what i see)
>>7947440Yes the anatomy i drew has the biceps exactly how you said it was, i was really confused and didnt really know how to position the biceps and triceps because i never draw arms in that pose.
>>7947467then you would smoothen out the muscle separation and the contours (but i did it too much fuck me) but the the forms at that angle would remain the sameThe main thing i was getting at was that the upper arm at that angle should produce a forearm at a different angle (the bicep is always relative to the bend of the arm), i ended up drawing a different upper arm to fit the forearm better because showing how the forearm should look like with that bicep is fucked due to all the overlapping formsI tried to draw al three (bicep, elbow, hand) seperate but its hard
>>7947461Hmm I see what you mean, the whole arm should maybe be a lttle further back. I made the bicep a little more pronounced which should hopefully help a bit. We'll see how I feel about it tomorrow. Thank you!Oh and I kinda like the breasts being a little on the firm side, but the way you made them sag there is really nice too. I'll have to see which I prefer tomorrow.
I don't know how people draw with the motions of their shoulder. I can only use my fingers and my elbow at best.
>>7947472Oh wait no, NOW I see what you mean. Maybe if I drew her bicep at more of a side angle, instead of almost entirely straight on?
>>7947477It's something you're forced to do if you paint larger canvases. If you draw with a responsible hold on your pen, pencil, tablet, etc it shouldn't matter.
>>7947475>>7947478really with the angle you have the forearm at, its the tricep that should be mainly visible with the bicep receding
another mecha rough draft for the storythis one is meant to be armor plates molded like a statue, with machinery visible from the rear along with a large backpack like structure which holds the cockpit and artillery it's bigger than the other design bc it's older and less developed
>>7947207turned out terrible, can't believe I wasted my time on this
>>7947498hows she thick and flat at the same time
Why is drawing something as simple as a fucking cylinder so hard?
>>7947482I see I see. Thanks!
>>7947544what If I don't want to waste my life drawing simple life
>>7946937
Just saw a figure saw hot it made me want to jerk off instead of drawing
>>7947390>This board is one of the most sane and polite in this whole site.You’re a lying piece of shit. Most people here are crabbing assholes.
>>7947569post it
I posted this sketch to discord and it was the only one out of every post to get no reactions lol its a little demoralising Its truly over for me I need to improve more
>>7947578They probably got to distracted by reverse image searching that drawing.
>>7947578Cheer up, I'll give you a laughing emoji for the neck.
>>7947574
>>7947581Based thanks lmaoIts weird this stuff doesnt usually impact me im just in a bad head space I think lol
draw niggers and jeets
>>7947590enough about American Art education
>>7946486>>7946698
>>7947596cute
>>7947343Simple, but cute. Thumbnail is eye-catching. Who is this green potato creature?
>>7947439Rough day? Why, because you only drew 4 incredible-looking hands and not 6? The two on the right aren't as good, but man don't feel bad about that.
Scuffed perspective attempt but it is just a rough draft>>7947596so pretty
something about the catgirls face is off.... what is it>>7947596stop mogging me stop MOGGING ME
>>7947596Amazing
>>7947615Maybe she could be looking at the porcinegirl's face? I can't tell if catgirl is looking at their weights or her rival here... If you wanted to keep the head tilt (it is very cute, desu) maybe lean it more towards her shoulder so that her neck doesn't look too long...?Sorry I sapped the sovl from your pic
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>>7947645i like her derppy face
>>7946790I'm still here if you were planning on giving feedback. I'm not happy with my ability to color and shade, but I still made an effort to do so.
>>7947578>Its truly over for methis level of humble-bragging is insane.You're doing great. Your worries are for naught.>>7947615sorry if this is an inconsiderate question, but what's your sexuality?
tip for today>>7947644i was just thinking.. proportions and stuff, like im lacking appeavl, i guess the angle could be different though>>7947582not even goonable desu>>7947525i like it okay
>>7947654>i was just thinking.. proportions and stuff, like im lacking appeavl, i guess the angle could be different thoughIf nothing stands out immediately, always assume it's the angle I think. Proportions here are too stylized for there to be a definitive, concrete analysis (from me anyway)
>>7947646sorry anon I tried but it's really hard to not have a face turn out a disaster at that size. 0.5mm lead is so massive
>>7947652I'll give you feedback , fellow Dokutah. I have some slight suggestions like giving Silence her ambience synthesia flower headwear as well. I'll do a full draw over and paint over in my version if you're willing to wait until the end of today.
>>7947658I appreciate it, though I'll be in bed soon, so take your time. Also I just realized that I had that character sheet saved but never threw it into my reference collage.
>>7947494nice>>7946849thanks, pretty figure too
>>7947525Love it. The style is immaculate
>>7947652Not the anon that offered coloring tips but somewhat try changing things outside of just saturation and brightness. When people say "don't just shade with black" there's something else they're not telling most people. Hue, saturation, and brightness together make the art piece. And there is something called "hidden colors" which are colors that "disappear" when you put your image under a greyscale filter. They register the same with brightness maybe, but don't with hue. It's difficult to explain but I can try!Hue = Color (red, green, yellow, etc)Some hues are naturally darker than others. Yellow feels like the lightest, blue feels like the darkest. Think of crayola crayons.Saturation = Color vs GreyThe more color you add to something, the darker it looks. The more grey/dull the color looks, the lighter it appears. Hot pink is darker than pastel pink.Brightness = Color vs White vs BlackPretty self explanatory and what most people use to shade. Adding black or white to something makes it appear darker or lighter respectively.You also need to try to find a definitive lightsource instead of just adding white to the outside of the image.
>>7947665samefag There are also things such as reflective light, ambience occlusion (which is a fancy word for >areas where light cannot touch regardless of most lighting angles.My color over was too quick and didn't really take most of these things into account, but I was hoping I could give you a few pointers. Additionally, I would like to know what artists you admire in terms of their coloring styles, since you don't like how your own is. (I am assuming you are comparing yourself to them...)Cellshading and airbrush/soft shading call for different techniques and I noticed you kind of roughly had both in your pic.
>>7947665This is a weird critique. Your points are mostly correct (excluding saturation, you are grossly simplifying or misunderstanding it). Your actual application is not good, your paintover actually looks worse than the OP.
>>7947670Awesome! Could you please fix it so that I don't further misguide them?
>>7947671sure ill be free in 20-30 mins then ill do a paintover.
How the fuck do I get people to be honest about my art? I either get ignored or someone kisses my ass when my art is objectively dogshit. Sure there are pieces that fall through the holes here but it's starting to eat at me now.
Learning how to draw. Having two problems:1, I make a bunch of stupid mistakes but I think it looks fine. Next hour or day, I see the drawing looks like absolute garbage and can fix some problems. 2, the end result feels soulless. Lacking in confidence. Uninteresting, not just in composition but with line and texture also. What do? any exercises or tips?also, I'm style hopping between a bunch of styles: realism, anime + other stylizations. good or bad?
>>7947675well pyw cutie
>>7947677Can't. The response will be too synthetic. I will post when it feels more organic later today though. (when other people are posting more frequently so it's less obvious that my shit is just so ignorable for some reason)
>>7947678take your time
>>7947611I felt that my line quality was bad but I guess I'm just being hard on myself, thanks anon
>>7947550Then don't.
>>7947671>>7947652So, the bad news is Photoshop kept crashing on me so i had to use Clip Studio, which is a program i am very unfamiliar with so this isnt to a good level.However, my advice is as follows:1) Beginners should only be focused on good value. If you dont have good value, your colour choice literally doesnt matter.2) You need to figure out a basic worfklow! start with a sketch. Then, you need to establish your local colour and value first before rendering. All value is relative to eachother, so if you start painting the hair first, and then the skin, you will accidentally fuck up the value ranges of each and your hierarchy will break and the painting will look bad.3) Paint in your basic light and shadow shapes. You should try to follow the basic outline of the form. For hair, you can make it in big clumps, and make sure to follow a sphere if its close to the head. A lot of artists treat the flowing strands out past the head as ribbons, which looks nice.4) After you establish very basic light and shadow, from there most of the thinking is done and you can paint to your own style or preference. I kinda winged it but couldnt be bothered continuing because i really dont like Clip Studio.Sorry it's so messy, i just did very basics out of laziness. Not my best work. I would usually paint from a much more detailed sketch if i were to draw something. *Also note, i do not usually draw Anime and i usually paint realism.
>>7947696I fucked up and turned a layer off for, #3 when itook a screenshot, but it just says light. But, it was super simple and just 1 line basically. sorry about that lol.
>>7947696Also note, while i kept this very simple, these steps apply to the entire painting and not just hair. Start simple then detail out.
>>7947696the base value is also meant to have teh sketch over it lol sorry. I really cant use clip studio very well, im used to ps
>>7947582anymore on this model? she's insanely hot
>>7947369OP here, thank you for the encouragement anon. I'll give it a go.
>>7947606just a doodle
>>7947569>>7947582Yeah, Carlotta does that to people... one of my favorite models...>>7947399Your taunting axe play inspired me indeed lol Your stuff is amazing! Thanks anon.>>7947573Yeah but that's part of the board's culture and tradition, I love crabs they make me laugh so much sometimes>>7947578That's a beautiful sketch. Her hand may need some adjustment on the proportion scale with the face. But that's beside the point, it's a great sketch. People like to see stuff in series, they feel visually attracted towards "piles" and group figures. If you draw that same face sketch with another one in the same page placed in an appealing dynamic way together, people will be immediately captivated by it. They just like groups of drawings in one page dynamic composition.>>7947661>thanks, pretty figure tooTHANK YOU!!! Beautiful fig group!>>7947596Incredible effort. Well done!>>7947594I like how you did the neck, that's a really hard head/face pose.>>7947525There's no fucking way you wasted your time doing that. Anybody would kill to have that little sketch in a personal notebook.>>7947438What are they eating?
>>7947728soup :Dthey are trying to warm themselves moreso bc its cold as shit where they arealso lovely drawing, i have come to really like the hooded figures
>>7947578It looks great though. Like obviously it deserves likes and you know this. Don't obsess so much over social likes. Just keep drawing
man this thread is kinda shit ngl, you don't need (you), what a miserable generation and moment to be alive.
>>7947742please elaborate
Some of you guys are so talented. Why are you here, just to make us permabegs suffer?
>>7947748If you want help or redlines ask for it, if no one answer tag the post and ask againMass reply fags are cancer and it's always the same spamming/blogposting faggots, it's preformative empathy their posts are just attention whoring It's not that fucking hard, if you randomly post a piece most people are going to see it and move on.
>>7947750Says the faggot who only ever whines and not once has posted his work or a redline. You and your schizoid ilk are what turned this board to shit not the so called blogposters
>>7947578Don’t get demoralized. You’re in the grey zone where it’s not so /beg/ that people immediately jump in to offer corrections, but it’s not good enough to be appreciated on its own merits. Overall that’s a good thing though, because it means you’re not a rock bottom. Just keep working and you’ll improve.
>>7947768Lots of shittier drawings get likes. The problem is it looks unfinished and ugly in the thumbnail, and people don't look at stuff and think "hmm this has good form for a beg" they just like stuff that catches their eye.
>>7947771(you)s are not upbotes you fucking mong
>>7947771I assumed they were posting on an art-related discord, in which case you might naturally get people evaluating things on a criteria of “this looks good for /beg/“.If you’re posting for a general audience of non-artists then yeah they won’t cut you any slack.
>>7947578shut the fuck UP TALENTFAG. SHUT UP FUCKER. FUCKING SHUT UP
>>7947578well its not tranime what did you expect?
>>7947696Your reply made me kind of expect something a bit more complex than this, ngl. But definitely was a lot more coherent than the half-baked attempt I did. Thanks for the correction paintover! (shame you don't like CSP...)Hope the OP learns stuff from us lol
>>7947613unappealing
Finally some time to work on it.
A study from Hampton's book
>>79476761 and 2 should resolve themselves with time and practice.The more you draw and analyze your mistakes, especially from reference, the more your eye will develop and start to see mistakes as you are drawing rather than in retrospect.
>can't draw heads any faster than 2 hours because I can't practice efficiently>can't practice efficiently because it takes me 2 hours to draw one fucking headthere's no way out
>>7947850i admire you, if it takes me more than an hour to draw a finished sketch i get angry
>>7946477ok i give up with this drawing i cant draw shields, swords, shapes, i have a lot of problems that i need to fix for the next try, gg.
>>7946486there's a hilariously bad construction figure underneath. on the other hand, I learned how to add gradients, I'm basically a rendergod now>>7947525I love it. are you the same guy who painted the frog/tiger in the previous thread? easy gmi>>7947615you've been on a roll as of late
>>7947836The markers don't photograph well so I had to play with camera settings.
>>7947871
Trying to hatch, how’d I do?
>>7947854I love it though. You got socials?
>>7946486Nice shapes, this challenge was fun
>>7947875go slower with your hatches and try to be more even. uneven hatches imply a texture that I don't think you intended
new thread with fixed links>>7947880>>7947880>>7947880
>new thread this fucking early>not even a collage of the thread challenge submissionsson
>>7947883NIGGER no one is fixing thread links so I had to do it myself.
>>7947771This is cope
>>7947884We are on page 4 you retard.
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>>7947882bit early mate
