>>7950754
>I especially see it the most on /mmg/ where "storytelling is more important"
Ironically these same guys also scoff at the idea of getting good at writing before trying to "tell stories" using pictures

>where "storytelling is more important" sometimes is used to excuse subpar to just mediocre visuals, when a good comic in my opinion should do well in both
Passion and improvement are two mutually exclusive qualities for a lot of people still. That's why they stay shit and their comics have "good storytelling" but look like shit in a visual medium where you might also want to employ visual storytelling as well

Fun and study can coexist so long as you're not a manchild still hung up over having to do homework

File: To be fair, I drew this b(...).png (3.45 MB, 1500x2121)

3.45 MB PNG

>>7950754
Arts the first thing people see, as Todd McFarlane says, its alot easier to sell a comic with amazing art and a shit story, then shit art and an amazing story.

Theres alot of manga with amazing art, that sell well, but have awful stories (arguably most manga, coming from somebody who reads alot).

Other end of the spectrum, alot of super popular webcomic, and some comics and manga, have bad art but people like the stories.

Point is that, yes its definitely both, you can do well with one, but your less likely too. Art gets people interested, and story gets them to stay

To get anecdotal from personal experience, for the past year, I've posted my comic around on various sites, but other than here, basically always been ignored, and I think its partially cause the art is pretty awful at the start, like in picrel.

From the limited responses I got, (although I got alot here), people that have read it seem to like it, and think its good, but again, most people are just gonna see the opening pages, and be turned away. So in my case, I'm gonna start a new comic once I've finished the first chapter of my current one, and use the skills I've learnt to really try and make an engaging and interesting start, and then hopefully finish my current one in picrel later

>>7950754
you need a good story or good art, ideally both. being good at both is rare, so they lean into which ever one they are better at.

>>7950754
If you want people to give your story a chance: Good art
If you want people to keep reading: Good story
If you want to have a successful career, you need both

>>7950754
If you want to draw comics - draw comics instead of grinding fundies for years before you even start.

>>7950754
they point at OPM guy like how retards claim Einstein dropped out of school (he didn't).

For every OPM guy, there's a million /beg/ with 0 views on their shitty webcomic. Even if your art isn't the best, at the very least you need appeal in your designs, paneling, and presentation to hook people in.

Corto maltese isn't particularly well drawn, it just has a very pleasant and fitting style but overall it's wonky as hell, not very detailed and drawn very fast because it's a newspaper strip comic

It works, comic book art has to at least work, anything beyond that is a plus

>>7950758
Yea, they suck at writing

>>7950770
This, unless you're make a funny comic or porn

File: parin.png (3.37 MB, 2046x1927)

3.37 MB PNG

>>7950754
If I can talk from personal experience, there are two big things as to why you should get "core illustration skills".
The first one and arguably the one thing that most people are talking about when it comes to getting those skills is that you dont want to constantly be second guessing yourself. When you are making your story you shouldnt be asking shit like
>how do I draw a guy sitting?
>why does this drawing of my character walking look off?
>does my coloring look good?
You dont want to be asking yourself those fucking time wasting questions when making your story right? You wanna do actual STORY shit and answer questions related to that right? Cause if you are constantly facing these skill hurdles you cant answer STORY related hurdles.
Like for a real life example I recall a NHK documentary on Miyazaki when he was making Ponyo, I think it was "10 Years With Hayao Miyazaki" and in it there was a scene of him doing a walk/run cycle of Ponyo and he trashed it cause it didnt look like Ponyo. He wasnt frustrated cause he couldnt make a walk/run cycle, he did make one and to a noob it looks fine, but in a creators mindset it doesnt look right cause hes asking "How does Ponyo move? How does she carry herself" How do I convey that in how she runs?" Those are STORY questions he was trying to solve. Now imagine you were a fucking /beg/let with no confidence in your skill. How can you think about character and emotion when you cant even move one foot in front of the other? Granted you dont need to achieve mastery, but that leads to my second point
If you have a comic(or any project in mind) you need to know what YOUR goals are, and the skill required to achieve that. If you have "core illustration skills" you can know how to APPLY those skills to create a certain tone or effect. For everyone is different, but my personal goals was to get drawings like pic related in a very consistent manner. But for some people there goals are different(cont.)

>>7950796
(cont.)Like the most obvious example I always point to is Two Kinds for this kind of shit. Forget your personal judgments of the art for a second and consider the mindset of the artist. In his head, he was confident enough in his skill level to go "Okay, this is enough for me to tell my story" and started with something like pic related and never went back. Over the years he would improve and yadda yadda, but the point is that in his head, he was confident enough in his own abilities to start putting pen to paper and made his comic. The reason why anons say to learn "core illustration skills" isnt just a matter of wanting you to be technically good, its also about building confidence. You can jump on and off the fundies train as many times as you want, and at some point you are gonna have to get off and actually MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF, and honest to god no anon is gonna be able to tell you in confidence when your "ready" to start, cause technical fundie skill doesnt necessarily translate to making a comic thats worth a damn either. (You) need to make that plunge, but having confidence in your skill will help you get over some of the bullshit questions that dont matter when making a good story. I mean like this anon said here >>7950789
>It works
And (You) will know when it works when you build up the knowledge and confidence of your own skill

File: twokindscomic.jpg (301 KB, 825x1100)

301 KB JPG

Oh shit I was rambling and forgot the pic for >>7950801
But yeah, still a matter of being confident in the goals you want to achieve. You need to be good enough to look at your page and say "This is working"

>>7950805
Yeah... the art isn't the biggest problem here

>>7950754
What is "core good illustration skills"? Because standalone illustration skills is quite different from comic illustration skills.
If you want to make comics, you're best off getting your practise from making comics. There's a lot of problems specific to comics that you'll only learn to solve by doing, and learning illustrations before ever touching comics won't help you with that.
You don't have to "show the public" everything you ever make.
And I don't think anybody in /mmg/ is saying the drawings don't matter at all. That smells of a strawman. Same with >>7950758 >>7950760. Who the hell is scoffing at getting good at writing? You're seeing amateurs making stuff and learning. I don't know why you're assuming one has to think they're hot fucking shit to draw cartoons.

>>7950796
Those problems never go away. It's nice to think of them as something you don't have to deal with forever, but the sad fact is that you'll always be constantly second guessing yourself. >>7950801 Making and publishing work does not require confidence in the work, nor is it mutually exclusive with having doubts about the quality of one's work. It does not go away.

>>7950820
>Who the hell is scoffing at getting good at writing?
I see you're new so try going to /mmg/ just once and suggest that writing is a separate skill from drawing and see what happens

>>7950754
>>7950758
This thread is retarded
If you want to get good at writing or doing comics you need to write and make comics

Whats with all these dogshit useless engagement bait threads on here

>>7950822
I've been browsing and posting in those threads since before they were even called /mmg/. You're being incredibly disingenuous by acting like it's some consensus over there that art doesn't matter at all. My existence already disproves that claim.

>>7950829
>acting like it's some consensus over there that art doesn't matter at all
That wasn't even remotely what I said, more like the opposite

bad art is fine for comedy but trying to have serious dramatic story that looks like 12 year old's deviantart is a hard sell

>>7950830
Whatever, the point stands. People trying to tell stories before they're "good" at writing isn't ironic, it's standard. People get good at telling stories BY telling stories.

>>7950754
Because this is a foid board and women are stupid and won't do things properly on principle.

>>7950754
What is it with /mmg/ catching stray bullets all the time? You see this general mentioned more than the others.

File: 20230803_125516.jpg (1.35 MB, 4000x3000)

1.35 MB JPG

Most people despair when they cannot draw what they envision straight away. It requires homework. Design composition strategic thought. Planning helps.

File: 78de4d0db0a136d9.jpg (81 KB, 1024x987)

81 KB JPG

>>7950869
Your value contrast and visual coherence is abysmal though

>>7950867
Because the artists there are so shit that they have to get opinions on those who don't even make manga, that's how bad it is

Hell, even asking non artists on /co/ would resutl in better answers

>>7950860
The ones drawing the poor-quality garbage in /mmg/ are other men you tourist.

>>7950881
??? Look at the thread, theres multiple great artists there, and some others that are pretty decent. where does that stereotype come from?

>>7950754
how do you write a good story

>>7950881
I do not understand what you are trying to say here.

Should i master my fapping skills before talking to girls and having sex for the first time?

>>7950897
You can't ask them to just look at the current thread for proof or, heaven forbid, look back a bit in the archive. If a good artist has posted, it's either not good enough or they'll ignore the good artist's existence entirely and cherry pick the lower half of the skill spectrum of anons and act like it's 100% of the entire group.

>>7950867
Learning to draw is the hardest hobby out there. Drawing comics is the hardest form of drawing. So there's gonna be a LOT of mind broken howies that hate /mmg/ as a concept. Drawing shitty little Manga or comics is still a pure art form not desecrated by AI or grifters. You just have to sit down and do it.

>>7950907
it takes courage to make sincere crap art...

File: 20240627_032334 (1).jpg (2.25 MB, 3000x4000)

2.25 MB JPG

>>7950875
The idea was to block out the panels and figure out what goes where. Later will individual elements be designed for their specific placement and pose.

This picture, for instance, was a "grind", a lesson learned through attempting it. I wanted to make a tshirt design around dripping eye background stuff, so after I drew a string of eyes, I began creating mini environments of dripping eyes in the negative spaces along with various characters to be in them that I haven't drawn in years. Fun, educational and the ideas born here will grow well elsewhere in welcoming soil.

Should it be criticized? Should I care if it is? I can only reiterate what it is, why it is, and what it is for and let the ignorant amuse me.

>>7950875
>anon cannot even recognize what a storyboard is

File: ed.jpg (581 KB, 1391x1800)

581 KB JPG

>>7950780
This, it’s that simple. Gotta make bad comics to learn to make good ones.

>>7950754
Because people often fall into the loop of 'oh, I'm not good enough yet to start my project, so I'll just practice for now', and never getting out of it.
This is basically true for all creative fields, with musicians wanting to get better at their instrument before forming a band, or writers wanting to hone their craft before actually writing their novel, etc.

Would it be nice to be a great draftsman when starting your comic? Yes, of course. However, the risk is too high of just never starting and putting it off forever as you wait for you skills to catchup and life gets more and more in the way as responsibilities grow.

The best advice is to start on a smaller project - not your dream project - to practice not just your draftsmanship, but to actually create something and get the ball rolling. Besides, there's no better practice, than actually doing.

>>7950925
>>7950931
I know it is but this is what I was talking about

>>7950897
they only engage with porn in there like every other thread these days

>>7950754
Your opinion on quality of visuals doesn't matter unless you show them that you can balance both writing and visuals lmao

You have elite opinions and subpar draftsmanship

There's a lot of bullshit in this thread. Many mangas with bad art have been successful. Shingeki no Kyojin (or Attack on Titan for the lesser humans) is literally garbage art. Also, webtoons. Go see Tower of God's first season art, the guy was good at composing panels and using color effects, but the art itself is very weak.

A comic does not need good art for success.

>>7950770
>If you want people to give your story a chance: Good art
Said no one ever, and factually wrong.

>>7950949
normies dont click on comics that look like dogshit

>>7950949
SnK art is leagues above what anyone here is capable of

>>7950867
I've noticed it too. If I had to guess, it's just some shitstirrer.

>>7950881
>Because the artists there are so shit that they have to get opinions on those who don't even make manga, that's how bad it is
By posting in a thread for other comic authors to see? You sure that tracks, bud?

>>7950942
Now I KNOW you're just making shit up.

>>7950962
But normies understand dogshit differently from you. What you consider a 4/10 looks like a 7/10. Style over substance for the cover art, with loads of effects and techniques, and boom, you get them. Comics should never be judged on "art for artists". You are telling a story, so use anything and any cheats at your disposal. Mangas have loads of 3D model references/tracings or even photos, webtoons have literally dogshit 3D objects rendered in the panels and copypaste effects. Clouds that come from pre-made brushes, backgrounds are eliminated in many panels, simple accessories are replicated using distortion transforms (skew, wraps), and so on.

You are not illustrating a single masterpiece or an important cover art.

>>7950976
You have it backwards. Artists are more likely to give works with bad art a chance. Normies may not be able to conceptualize why they don't like something but they'll just know that it's ugly and move on to something that looks better.

>>7950949
>Attack on Titan
>Tower of God
Better drawn than the shit in /mmg/ faggot

>>7950949
You want people to stick around for the potential you think your work has, and not what's right in front of them

File: quality.png (1.51 MB, 800x1900)

1.51 MB PNG

>>7950992
>You have it backwards
>Thousands of cases proving me right
Even my dogshit art in school was seen as cool as fuck, young people are even more gullible about awful art being good.

>>7950994
You're right anon, my bad. Really not /mmg/ level.

>>7951008
>You're right anon, my bad. Really not /mmg/ level.
>>7950905

>>7951035
I was answering the other anon's shenanigans, but I'm not a /mmg/ hater, lots of good stuff there over the years. It is just that there is also a bunch of "perceived low-quality art" there as well (by the standards of our average /ic/ anon), but this is not a bad thing for comics. That is my point.

Just see Oh! great. Yes, he did start already as a good artist, but the evolution of his art over the years is astonishing. You will become better over time because comics challenge you in many aspects (perspective, anatomy, composition, etc...).

File: Ray-Liotta-in-Goodfellas.jpg (225 KB, 1280x720)

225 KB JPG

>>7951059
>OI!

>>7950834
That isn't the issue, the issue is them thinking they don't need to know anything about good writing because they "write by drawing"

>>7951145
you're still butthurt about that? Its not a binary thing, writing and drawing in comics are blended together so thoroughly that someone who can only do one is not making a comic.

>>7951035
You fags want your exceptional artist to represent your talent pool rather than all of people in the actual pool. Sorry but your licensed porn fag for a literally who goon publiclation cant make up for sheer amount of ugly ass unfunny, terribly drawn, and down right garbage shit that thread makes on a daily.

>>7951183
Why is this lil bitch so mad about mmg?

>>7950754
/mmg/ is garbage and everyone there is perpetually huffing the same copium over and over again, just don't use that thread

>>7951212
You sound like I said something mean about your own comic you fag

>>7951236
probably mad because he's one of those autists that keep shitting the thread and made fun off. Let's see your art then if you're that good of a judge of quality.

I don't get it, isn't the point of /ic/ to learn about art and get critiqued? Why would good artists post here?

Nodraws like to refer to shitty artists like people who are committing a crime. Like they're evil for continuing to draw and not just giving up because they suck. Every artist on /mmg/ sucks? Good for them, most people don't even try.

The key difference between nodraws and artists is that nodraws think that trying and failing puts you below the guy who never started.

>>7951241
Projection. I'm not the one seething about amateur artists learning to draw.

File: 1657912192186.jpg (1.02 MB, 1125x990)

1.02 MB JPG

>>7950820
>you'll always be constantly second guessing yourself
>making and publishing work does not require confidence in the work
Holy fuck anon you need a hug or something holy shit. Like having doubts about something working in your story is one thing but fucking ALWAYS second guessing yourself? Being in a doom loop? Nah motherfucker that aint healthy. Id strongly suggest not being like a fucking Van Gogh and not falling into despair

>>7951291
Yeah i shat on your work. Sorry that you suck it guess.

>>7951336
>still seething and projecting
mmg really did a number on this schizo

>several generals routinely populate the catalog
>/salt/
>/dad/
>/draw/
>/alt/
>/fag/
>/fig/
>/gag/
>and others
All routinely filled with artists learning and exchanging thoughts and opinions about their respective subject matters. Many have beginner artists with understandably bad artwork. All good here, nothing to see, move along.
>/mmg/
Thread shitting on everyone there gets made every X number of months. What in the goddamn....? To what purpose? Why hyper specifically focused on this one general? None of the comics made in /mmg/ could be this important, no?

>>7951251
keep crying

>>7951341

see >>7950907

>>7951336
>your art sucks!
Yes, but tomorrow it will suck a little less.

File: this-comic-perfectly-repr(...).jpg (165 KB, 1080x1599)

165 KB JPG

>>7951341
Mmg is a bunch of lost and confused twitter illustrators who think that comics and illustration is the same thing but the fact is that an advanced illustrator is just a beg comic artist

>artists learning
They don't even know what to learn because they don't understand the medium, they don't even know what additional art theory there is to learn because they think comics are just illustration that follows a plot
That is plot, no story, in fact most of them think that plot and story are the same thing
>exchanging thoughts and opinions about their respective subject matters
>subject matters
Imagine a beg comic artist going there to hear what these illustrator posers have to say about something they think they have experience and knowledge of but totally lack an understanding of the most basic concepts of the medium.
They're not just useless, they're harmful to real comic artists who don't realize that they're not talking to other comic artists but to delusional illustrators posing as comic artists
>beginner artists with understandably bad artwork
That's not the issue
>Thread shitting on everyone there gets made every X number of months. What in the goddamn....? To what purpose?
All the other generals are true to their subject while mmg is corrupted by artists who don't belong there

They rarely talk about the most important thing that is writing but when they do it's just the type of stuff you'd hear in a youtube video made for views and not to educate

Wanna hear about suspense, flow, pacing, page flip, spread, leaf, wide shot, b plot, chekhov's gun, non linear storytelling, bleed?

Nah, in mmg it's just proportions, gesture, perspective, expressions, art style, hero's journey, plot, character design, setting etc.

Mention any of the former things and people won't admit they don't know what these basic concepts are, no passion, no curiosity to find out what there is to know
The status quo is circle jerking and trading hollow compliments

Phoneys.

>>7951412
Lmfao this is some generational butthurt. Bro got his feelings hurt so bad on mmg one day he never let it go.

>>7950754
>Why is getting core good illustration skills before working on any sort of comic/manga you want to show to the public discouraged over here?
Speaking from experience, it's because it's cope to never start your project.
>"I'll make my comic when I'm better at fundies..."
>"Once I get my 30 character story arc planned I'll start..."
By setting the bar so high it's out of reach and hey, now it's not a big deal if I don't make my comic.
On the other hand there's plenty of creator interviews who straight up say to start asap, get all your shitty pages out of the way and learn as you go.
>>7951341
it's probably koffee or some schizo out to crab. I noticed the same pattern, last time he was crying about his favorite porn artist, why no one in the thread could draw like them, why everyone in mmg was an amateur, etc. something about seeing begs and hobbyists doing what he wants but can't seems to set him off. this time he's hyperfixated on "writing" but never actually talks about the writing part, just uses it as an excuse to whine.

>>7951274
>isn't the point of /ic/ to learn about art and get critiqued
This is an anonymous image board about art, that's it, it's not for any specific purpose
>Why would good artists post here?
Because it's anonymous and an alternative to social media grift, as long as you don't pyw you're equal and it's nice to have that equality sometimes, people start acting weird when they're impressed in person and especially clout chasers
It's easy to spot genuine people from clout chasers who act friendly and polite when they see potential gain in an interaction but drop the act once they don't see the merits of the person they're and expose their real personality
>Every artist on /mmg/ sucks?
Yes but it's not because they can't get better, it's because the illustrator posers are misleading actual aspiring comic artists which causes everyone to stagnate

File: media_G4_1aitW8AAyf-s.jpg (47 KB, 638x380)

47 KB JPG

>>7950820
>Who the hell is scoffing at getting good at writing? You're seeing amateurs making stuff and learning. I don't know why you're assuming one has to think they're hot fucking shit to draw cartoons.
I was talking about getting good at drawing, and who said anybody has to think they're hot shit to draw? There's a bunch of anons in this thread essentially seething that it's okay to stay garbage because normies will like garbage under the right circumstances. My problem is with anons who seem to think that not being a lazy knuckle dragger who learns appeal and fundamentals is something that can be skipped. Putting in effort into making your comic look good is also part of the labor of love.

>>7950976
>>7951008
This is why you third world mentality faggots stagnate before even reaching int. Everyone else is shit so it's okay if you are too. No drive for self improvement or will to be better, just add an extra pile of potentially less stinky shit on the street because everyone else is doing it. Murata will potentially wake up and decide one day that he'll redraw your potential comic

Most people are "shallow", nobody wants to stare at beg artwork and the halo effect is real. Yes, nobody will read a story with trash artwork if not given another reason do to so. It is your responsibility to make others care about what you make.

Artists can just post their art in a thread and people can see that they draw. It could be good, it could be bad. But writers have another issue, they can't just post their writing or their ideas, nobody wants to read that since its not a comic. So they have to show that they're a good writer some other way, and this guy chooses to write long annoying posts picking fights with people and debating them.

>>7951431
>illustrator posers are misleading actual aspiring comic artists
name and shame anon, you are clearly trying to ellude to something specific. all the mmg regs are pretty obvious whose posting what, get your hands dirty.

File: 1779932190223755.jpg (19 KB, 474x429)

19 KB JPG

Comic fags in a manga making general is there biggest mistake. These people have entirely different goals from people interested in making manga yet they're lumped together and because of it you see alot of ugly looking low effort artist mingling with the few people who tries and knows that people aren't going to regularly seek out amateur comic that looks like straight up ass. These deadweights should've been sent packing to /hyw/ and /crab/ years ago. Those communities are packed with dog shit no talents who always make excuses for never applying themselves because once upon a time 25+ years ago people used to read amateur webcomics drawn by complete beginners if they seemed funny or interesting enough.

File: off topic fun post.png (164 KB, 342x392)

164 KB PNG

>>7951431
I don't think "clout-chasing" is as bad a problem as you say it is. It is not a moral failing for people to value their time, and I don't think most socmed types are as cruel as you paint them to be. Especially when most artists would want their work to be seen, although actively lashing out because other people aren't giving you what you want is a different story.
>Illustrator posers are misleading actual aspiring comic artists which causes everyone to stagnate
Can you give an example?

>>7951145
>the issue is them thinking they don't need to know anything about good writing because they "write by drawing"
And my issue is you think that's some consensus in that general when that simply is not true. Just because someone argued with you about it doesn't mean that's what everyone who posts in those threads believe.

>>7951341
To be fair, /dad/ also copped flak at random too. Not so much anymore though.

>>7951412
>Mmg is a bunch of lost and confused twitter illustrators who think that comics and illustration is the same thing
Why are you lying? You built your entire post on this completely false premise.

>>7950764
Oh shit bro! Are you gonna post your next chapter here? Or is there other place where we can see it?

>>7950764
>arguably most manga
No you don't get it bro, Bleach is secretly not garbage if you just memorize everything about hinduism

File: goldensoil WIP.png (3.82 MB, 3500x2478)

3.82 MB PNG

>>7951664
thanks, for remembering me. I figured I'd keep going and make a 120 page "debut" as that many pages will introduce all the characters and start the plot. Most of the pages are below, and just finishing the last scene and doing the coloring. Still got 1 18 page scene im still working on

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uvBsXSrIdUzGQu-R8fMN91b9nwrwC02J


Picrel is the other comic I might do instead, think and is basically Taxi Driver in Zootopia, picrel is still a WIP.

I'll see what people think when chapter 1 is fully done, and then finish it or not (or finish it after my furry comic), depending on what people think.

At the very least I've learnt alot from it, although I do wanna keep going, as I havent even got to the interesting parts (although thats probably the issue I didnt start with the supernatural stuff first)

>>7951723
Cant comment on bleach, although Ive heard the story is polarizing, but I'll add on and say alot of mangas have great stories, but the weekly nature definitely fucks with the creators. I mean jesus, Chainsawman part 1 is one of the most amazing stories I've ever read, and then part 2 just sorta ends suddenly

File: 1748799456432227.png (207 KB, 300x383)

207 KB PNG

>chainsawman is one of the most amazing stories I've ever read

>>7951937
brother the international assassins arc is amazing

>>7951939
maybe so, I will choose to believe you and try it

>>7950992
>>7951457
holy shit you fuckers are so retarded. It's true about normies having lower fucking standards. They easily get impressed by stuff that slightly above /beg/ level and go "I can barely draw a stick figure" all the damn time. Unless you're thinking of the hyper realism crowd that only care about celeb portraits covered in oil/water(doubt)? Skill level mostly doesn't matter to normies as long something is funny or entertaining to them. You can't get over this simple fact and no wonder you shitters always fail at "making" it. It's one thing to have self-improvement, but that doesn't mean shit to them.

>>7952007
pyw

I read this entire thread and I still have no idea what points any of you are trying to make.

>>7950867
It's more serious about art and writing which filters most of /ic/

>>7952053
It's a guy whose attitude was met with resistance in /mmg/ so he started shitting on a couple artists in the thread and then I guess he ran off to make a separate thread about how mad he was at /mmg/. In short, this is nothing more than one autist's drama thread.

>>7951568
I make a shitty comic instead of manga but it's still a good thread to get advice for general comic knowledge like paneling and flow of action and whatnot.

>>7952135
ok now you pulled that right out of your ass

>>7952169
Ok well the people I've talked to there seemed pretty serious about it and so am I so I guess your mileage may vary.

>>7952007
you sound like you are very successful, you must have 100k twitter followers and a comic book deal

>>7951457
>This is why you third world mentality faggots stagnate before even reaching int
The opposite. Even in Japan, many artists who are successful today once drew their first doujins full of issues and bad art. They literally copy manga pages when they are young. Stagnation is trying to be a perfect artist before doing comics. This is as retarded as trying to dominate music theory before putting your hands on a guitar.

>It is your responsibility to make others care about what you make.
You retarded faggot quoted me twice, vomited shit, and ended up with a quote that agrees with me. You just have no idea what makes people care about comics. Go read more manga before posting here.

>>7951568
For a gaijin having a real chance in manga-making, there is a whole language barrier that is much harder to climb, and that is not the only challenge. People interested in making manga outside of Japan have one of the biggest delusion-to-effort ratios.

It is actually good that webcomics such as Webtoons exist and are mingled there, because it shows them an intermediary path that is more realistic short term.

>>7952315
>This is as retarded as trying to dominate music theory before putting your hands on a guitar.
heed these words anons

File: ic shojo.png (1.35 MB, 1322x1839)

1.35 MB PNG

mmg/ is comfy. Sure it used to be harsher with critique some time ago, but the people who actually make comics usually just want to share their process and are happy to give a simple “good” or “nice” when another anon is doing their best. We all know how hard, timeconsuming, and ungrateful the hobby of making comics is, so we can appreciate the effort when someone is working on one, even if, to most people, it’s just another amateur indie webcomic. Btw /mmg/ threads used to last much longer in the past, when it was mostly comic makers who would post a page and disappear only to post again days later.

>>7952315
I reiterated several times in my post that normies have piss poor standards, you can keep seeing self improvement as a bad thing or a hassle you have to jump over before becoming rich or you can go make your stick figures to post on webtoon or mangaplus. Everyone else's drawing dogshit to please the normies, right? You can make it with drawing some solo leveling isekai slop for koreans right now and pay the electricity bill for your entire village
>>7952315
>The opposite. Even in Japan, many artists who are successful today once drew their first doujins full of issues and bad art. They literally copy manga pages when they are young.
Yes, I agreed with that from the start. They learned from copying and improved. I'm not the one vendettafag that fucked your wife
>Stagnation is trying to be a perfect artist before doing comics.
Retard read "put in effort" and understood it as "be perfect at drawing before starting a comic". Nobody's reading from the mangaplus shortbus squad nigger

File: stick-figure.gif (177 KB, 220x160)

177 KB GIF

>>7952373
I know you're not throwing shade at stickfags right now nigga

>>7952347
>Btw /mmg/ threads used to last much longer in the past, when it was mostly comic makers who would post a page and disappear only to post again days later.
I really believe /mmg/ has more work posted in it these days than ever before, and I've been in those threads from the beginning.