The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7946810Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Nein 9th Story Chapter 4.
>>7952113Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7952114Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7952115/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I NEED TO DRAW ON MY PERSONAL FEELINGS TO INJECT TANGIBLE EMOTION INTO MY STORY'S NARRATIVE
>manga: takes forever, not suitable for social media posting, only weebs would be interested, little money potential, B&W = lame>webcomics: quick/low effort, easy to get social media engagement with strips, most demographics are interested, high money potential, color = interestingWhy are you still drawing manga? Your parents are secretly disappointed in you. They wish they had a successful kid whose comics get shared on social media, like pizzacake or merrivirus.
>>7952144>he didn't experience twenty lifetimes' worth of experiences and is able to draw deeply from all wells of emotion by the time he was 18NGMI. Sorry, I don't make the rules.
>>7952148>webcomics: quick/low effortsomeone tell him
>>7952151I'm a pansy and have a low threshold for what sets off my deeper feelings but I've found it's been useful for making stories at least since I don't need to experience too much too directly.
>>7952148That just means you haveshallow golem parents who want you to succeed solely so they can take the credit.>>7952166Webcomics trying to be actual comics are their own thing, I assume he means the one page a day drama or comedy slop comics that go nowhere for several years.
>>7952148>quick/low effortThe ugly 3D assets aren't there because it is low effort. They are there because of how long it takes to draw a fucking panel, especially with colors. The mainstream ones these days are literally made by studios of Koreans, so multiple people are working to make that many vertical strips on a weekly basis.Also, even though the entry barrier is lower, it has increased with the popularity of the medium.
>>7952242Cool
>>7952113Shihei Lin's new manga publishing company, Mix Green, is accepting manga submission for their first magazine.Judge: Tatsuya Endo (SPYxFAMILY)>https://mgmangaaward.mixgreen-inc.com/Come on, bring in your masterpiece, anon-kun-tachi.
>>7952294Japanese only? Unless they accept broken English as a second language, I'm already eliminated.
>>7952294Neat. If it's still around I might apply in a couple of years.>>7952301It doesn't mention anything about language, so you can safely assume japanese language only.
>>7952306>a couple of yearsSociety will have collapsed by then.
>>7952242A sugestion: I think you can use more light and shadows and play more with the backgrounds. Here some quick example
>>7952338In my original, I had it drawn with an all-white background because the plot has them close to one of those magical founts that gets turned on, and I was trying to replicate all that light bouncing around everywhere in the courtyard they're in. On the other hand, I REALLY like yours due to the light play as you mentioned. I need to think about this, see if there is some kind of happy compromise I can justify, otherwise I might switch to your version simply for rule of cool.
>>7952350Devil anon, you have instances of your text leaving the live area of the pages. If you print the text might get clipped.
>>7952354He's not going to print it so he doesn't worry about that.
>>7952341Oh. With the image as the only context I thought they were looking at a magical storm far away through the window of a castle kek
>>7952361Nah man, I appreciate you taking the time regardless, thanks for your edits. Like I said, the shading looks very pretty.
>>7952350Yo I complimented the linework in the last thread but bro you botched my bitch's boots my G. Like even if your going for Megaman- sized boots at least add some care into the detail. Like I thought you were going for generic snow boots but if your gonna add more detail add the detail. Like draw the actual soles of the boots and have the laces do proper X overlaps. Or again if you dont want to put the effort into the detail just have the shoes like you had em in your earlier post >>7951418 and just have like two tones for the upper part and lower part of the shoe respectively
>>7952439Nta but I think you just have a preference for shoes in particular or something
>>7951834I dont recall ever stating where the character that I drew was from. Projecting your insecurities on me, anon?
>>7952449Its not a preference bro, its just that devil anon went from something that looked fine and made it sloppy and I offered things to make it better as all. Like I cheat when I draw shoes on my characters too but I usually just omit details cause it looks cleaner. Plus getting decent X lace marks is as easy as Shift+clicking with your brush(preferably a small sized one) to make some decent X's and draw over them slightly to get that hand made look
>>7952439lmao I think you are barking up the wrong tree with this one lad.
I'm close to showing off the powers soon, and haven't defined the look of the soul energy. All I could really see in my head was a ki cursed energy derivative. But I feel like soul energy would be more fantastical/magical looking, like an angelic glow. I might need to reference shoujo stuff. I've done that before for earlier hildas powers but it was always some external element. never an infused kind of effect.pic related is probably getting scrapped. I thought a different basic shaped tone for each character might be cool but id have to keep track of a lot of tones/assets over time.>>7952439yeah, will do. I haven't moved on to the background yet cause I feel like somethings could be better. the panel of dyson on the ground looks a little weird to be for example.
still going over the background and color, but do you think this looks better with or without the stronger outlines around the characters
and without
>>7952485>>7952486Impressive drawing man, with that in mind though if you are gonna go for "stronger" outlines make em STRONG broAs for general direction it depends on what you want to focus on, but since you have a lot of detail going on with the background characters you keep those light in lineweight and make the more regular characters up the front with stronger lineweight.However start with this drawing >>7952485as your base cause again that shit is not heavy lineweight at all, which does work for the BG characters but not so much for the lead characters up front
Also fix the bitch's face. I made a quick edit on how it should look but the main problem was that you made her face too wide especially in that eyeline area that you didnt indent, like you had that indent on the guy character not sure why you didnt do it with the girl
>>7952488Thanks that looks good, I'll give it a go and dial it up for the guy and girl at the front, and maybe add a bit more for the knife guy and mouse. Other 3 can just stay the same.
>>7952491also true now you point it out. looking at my pencils, i had one, but i guess i fucked the inking
>>7952471aaawwww its the power of <3
>>7952488>>7952491hows this look guys?In the mean time gonna do the color
>>7952439>>7952534you're doing pretty good. the thicker outlines do help. I like the poses, and faces.i think if you're going to color it, the hatching should ether be improved. or removed. some spots, like the faces have good hatching, places like the clothes don't. I think the inconsistency in the hatching quality is effecting the piece. A lot of areas have hatching lines that are too thick, and too spaced apart. I think starting there would help improve them.Id also recommend adjusting the lineweight of the background a bit. those lines feel a little too think,
>>7952534I really like the composition and designs. The weakest part of your art is how you draw wrinkles and folds, but I don't know how to do it myself so I can't suggest a better way. Another thing I think you should do is add even MORE line weight variation. If you are consistent with the hatching it will also elevate the drawing, make the hatching look like whats under the guys neck or the peackcocks neck, but in the same direction everywhere on the drawing. There are also places where solid black would add a lot, some of their clothes can be solid black, some of the animal people can have solidblack hair or accessories. Overall it looks interesting, it gives me the vibe like it can be a mainstream comic with the ideas it shows.
>>7952471If you want to go with shapes, Madoka might be a good place to look.
>>7952538thanks, I think some of the feedback you guys have given has helped me understand lineweight more, but yeah I'm still not the best with lineweightAlso 04-42-26 (Eastern Daylight Time)Brother I just doxxed you as an American, this is an Australian manga making board, go back to your first world country with decent internet.>>7952539Yeah I've always struggled with that shit, best thing to do right now would probably be for me to draw it minimally, and yeah also to make it consistent. Ill experiment with adding black after I do the color, see how it looksand yeah hopefully the comics idea is interesting. Haven't seen many comics or media about living in modernity, i.e. having a masters and being unable to find any work, even at maccas, so wanna capture how some people in our generation feel.
>>7952541> still not the best with lineweightI meant hatching
lettering feels a bit messy on this one. Real tired at this point so any fixes will come later
>>7952560goodnight cutie
>>7952560never proofred when tired, I wish I knew that sooner.
back to drawing
When you're making a one-shot, what do you guys do for the inside and back covers?
Well, it's the end of the month. So what have you accomplished this month, anons? Any plans for June?
>>7952534Something I didnt notice critiquing is that theres that hand thats reaching out to the main guy behind him. Unless you have a character that is just a hand like Thing from The Addams Family I assume its from the girl, if thats the case get rid of it.Again when I was critiquing I didnt notice that hand, with that in mind the girl character was already giving "reaching out" vibes, but now that I notice the hand it seems too disconnected from the female character. Like even if its anatomically correct the way you placed the hand seems pasted on composition wise. The way you drew the girl already works the hand is distracting(plus it also connects with the BBW character with the background and makes it look like her hand so that fucks up the vibe too)
Also you fucked up this guys hand and the way the flesh connects. You would also still be able to see his pinky finger in his hand position. I did a shitty MS Paint edit so you dont have to follow it one to one but it looks more "complete" this way
>>7952748Fuck not the pinky I meant the pointer finger
>>7952672A cute illustration thanking the reader for their time
>>7952816>"Thank you for purchasing this work!">that slight pang of guilt because I pirated it like usualNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
How do I learn to draw every waking hour of the day? If I don't draw atleast 10+ hours a day I'll never finished my manga before I die
>>7952880realistically you can draw 3 hours a day with normal output. Any more and you're giving up other aspects of your life.
>>7952741accomplished: finished a chapterplans for june: survive
>>7952880you don't "learn". you just do it. it's gonna suck, obviously.
>>7952560only one more page in the chapter plus the 2 page spread.
>>7952891Right on, i'm in the same boat. Not doing a great job but I'm down to the last 3 of 20 pages. Rip to next month's output since life has decided i'm a little chud nomad.
I find it so difficult to create a shorter story first to practice creating and finishing a work first before tackling my main one. One reason is I'm wired to think of big worlds with a bunch of shit, however it is especially difficult to keep myself focused on a smaller, less meaningful work. I'm making the script, and I already feel like rushing everything, or it becomes a monster really fast.
>>7952921Could just do like a side story in your existing setting or algo
>>7952921It is only less meaningful if you make it thay way. I'm experimenting with a lot of stuff right now but I go into each project with the intent of having it serve my greater ip
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>>7952741Submitted my shit to publishers, ready to hear dead silence from all of them(I did get one response though, a rejection but at least I know someone at least glanced at it)Still drawing though, I need to thumbnail like 20 more pages and blast through inks after that to finish this arc
>>7952921You can always just do a cold plunge on your "big" idea and see if that shits working out or not. If your first go is shit try some other story after and revisit
Probably dumb question but can you pitch or submit an active web comic? I've seen self published web manga be licensed and always wondered how that worked
Sketched this out quick. Learned a handful of things from mistakes.
>>7953132Check the copypasta. I've gone through the links and once in a while one of those companies let you also submit your self-made stuff. Just note that a lot of them also have a lot of extra requirements. The ones that allow submissions at any time in my experience tend to be publishers who are always looking for more comics about minorities. Very specifically minorities. Not trying to start some kind of political screed, just literally my own experience going through the publishers.
>>7953132Yeah you can.
>>7953015I really like the shadow/blush under her eyes
how do you guys think the color looks. think it ruins or elevates >>7952534 ? Im ok with basic colors, but wanted to try and push it for this mock cover.>>7952744with color you think the hand still looks odd? If not, then yeah I got some other comments about it, and it could be best to delete. >>7953132A fair few have, and ive even heard of publishers contacting some webcomic creators hoping to publish their work. If you havent started it, I'd assume itd be a better idea to send it to publishers before you make it a webcomic. If nobody bites, publish it like how you were going to before, if they do, then hey your published
drafting/lining hefferchu comics, feedback welcomehttps://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams
>>7953022It's normal, maybe even expected to be failed over and over for any reason. You'll get anything you want badly enough.>>7953160One page is really hard especially when you've never done it before. Suddenly there's a lot to think about. How do you draw a deer? How do people hold bows before they fire an arrow? What does the perspective distance look like between the person and animal? Time to make another page.
