So I've been copying anime Settei for a while now, but I don't feel like I've learned anything. It just seems like I'm building my observation skills, and that's it. I'm not learning what makes anime look like anime. I know there are some esoteric tips like paying attention to directional changes. Are there any other tips that would make this make more sense?
>>7952162You can divide art styles into form-dominant and shape-dominant kinds. Most anime is squarely in the latter camp. As much as construction, form, and perspective matter - and they do - you should also focus on shapes and their interrelationships. Look at the shapes of the eyes for example. In the top drawing you drew ovals, but in the ref on the left notice how Sakura’s eyes taper sharply. It’s a much more subtly complex shape. Her nose you drew slightly too low, and the distance between the eyes is a bit much. In the middle picture you made the opposite error. The eyes are too close in that one.
>>7952162You need to break down and study faces the right way, check pick related.
>>7952162Read fun with a pencil until you realize what the point of the book is. PROTIP: it's not about doodling old potato men
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>>7952162>So I've been copying animeDon't
>>7952162You're doing great so far, but here's what can help you improve:>do blind contours >trace your reference, then flip the traced drawing upside down, and copy it on another piece of paper>take your reference and break it down into shapes and forms, then observe your reference before hiding it, then draw it from memory before taking it out and drawing while looking at it>make a master copyDraw lots of actual Japanese people. Read a shit ton of manga. Copy, copy, and copy relentlessly.
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>>7952405https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iUEAuirHXs&t=1266sthis video is valuable for learning how to make your art better resemble anime
>>7952405>do blind contours of anime?
>>7952162HOW????
>>7952162Unless you plan on drawing on that exact same arstyle forever, copying anime is super inefficient
>>7952526I kinda do? I really like Clamp. I'm not inspired by the current anime style trends.
>>7952162building ovservation skills is putting you way ahead of others so just start doing loomis and you'll unlock the anime style naturally by stylizing loomis now that you've got anime drawings in your muscle memory.
>>7952162Let's not say "I want to learn anime style." Say instead "I want to learn CLAMP's style."Learning a style means internalizing someone's processes, choices, and idiosyncrasies. Those things and that knowledge will never be accessible to you 100%, so you have to fill in the gaps. You have to bring something to the table. Whatever that is needs to be solid.It would be very difficult to learn a style just by rote copying. You'd have to memorize the totality of their work and be able to recall it verbatim, which is near impossible for anyone who is not a savant. I can assure you, most animators are not savants. But their job is to replicate styles and designs. They do not rote copy. What they have is a rote process.
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>>7952162You need to think of some kind of challenge to take what you're learning and give it a twist. For example you can copy a front face reference and then try to draw that character in the 3/4 view. That tests if you understand how to actually draw the character and if you're learning how facial features work in anime style.
>>7952360We have an entire general on this board that says you should.
>>7952671Simon-sama....
>>7952162Naoto Date's guide to drawing anime is goated
How do we make our own anime settei?
>>7952671The way you lined the eyes as one silhouette is mindblowing. I never thought of that. I'll try and copy the head shape and eye socket you use also. Thanks for posting. Do you have any other speed drawings like this?>>7952408I've also heard that anime faces have gesture to their lines like this guy figures out.>>7952700I'll look him up.
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>>7952671How do people know who you are just from the video? Is there a discord or something?
>>7952708nigga you new
>>7952710Yeah
>>7952671It doesn't really look like her.
>>7952711he's been posting advice and corrections in animefag threads for many years, that's all
>>7952671Simon!
>>7952716Okay. I just wanted to be friends with everyone
>>7952683i'm telling niggas on here that copying is the most foundational skill you can have, because that is how you literally learn everything there is in the world. language, music, crafts. you dont invent shit right out of the bat, you learn the rules by copying someone else and then master those rules in order to transcend them eventually. you cant come up with something original if you dont know what is unoriginal, what has been done before. you wanna be a writer? read a lot of books and yes even copy the texts in order to learn from them and memorize them a lot easier. copy copy copy.>>7952162do more than just mugshots. copy whole panels, pages, anime stills and do it by the thousands. after the copy try to do it form memory, setting the foundation of that exercise. you will remember it even months later, maybe not a 100% accurate, but clearer than anyone that hasnt studied it. learn the material, execute the material. keep on keeping on.
>>7952719>you wanna be a writer? read a lot of books and yes even copy the texts in order to learn from them and memorize them a lot easier.Well I don't know about that last part. I try to write too, and simply copying (typing) the author's words again doesn't teach me anything nearly as much as simply reading it. Otherwise yes, copying is the way to go. With writing I think it's more like, copying the structure of their prose or plot. And then mix it up with others that you like to create your own thing.
>>7952708The brush he uses is very recognizable
>>7952722>>7952722>and simply copying (typing) the author's words again doesn't teach me anything nearly as much as simply reading it.depends. you evidently memorize texts easier by writing it down instead of just reading and repeating. its also more engaging, enhancing the learning effect further. the analysis as you say is slightly different, but thats literary style and rules which goes a little deeper into study.
>>7952719Absolutely this. I’ve drawn for 20 years and wish my younger self copied and did master studies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel like a fucking retard. Art is not a logic game like programming; a huge chunk of what artists know isn’t discursive, teachable knowledge but shit that they have internalized, consciously and unconsciously.
>>7952737the most interesting part of a writer or artist process happens inside their brain, the written page and the drawing is a proyection of that processjust sticking to copying is mixing cause and effect, because the cause is unseen, thinking that the shadows on the wall are the thing that proyects them
>>7952742It’s this gay platonic idea that prevented me >>7952739 from taking the copy pill for so many years>the most interesting part of a writer or artist process happens inside their brainWe are actually unable to comprehend these processes from the inside. When you teach your “mental process” to people there’s a lot of approximation involved, and so there’s no guarantee that it comports to what you really do. “Just sticking to copying” obviously isn’t advisable either, but yet I don’t think it’s analogous to the shadows on the wall metaphor; it’s more like internalizing a musical mode or scale by singing songs that pertain to it.
>>7952750the analogy shouldn't prevent you from copying stuff, just being aware that it explains why successful copies do not always translate to original workI copy a lot to learn about subjects (and just for fun) too
>>7952671Nothing validates the Pareto principle more than this thread and Teal's post. The rest can be effectively trashed.
>>7952671I don't understand the hype for this post. He provided some advice that sounds good but isn't specifically actionable and is ultimately vague. Then he attached a video of himself copying the image on the left.Yes, a person who has been drawing for years longer than you is going to be able to copy an image better than you are able to. That doesn't automatically mean the text in the post itself has any substance, in fact the text doesn't have any substance, the closest thing you can say about it is that it hints at a "rote process" and then says "you can't know the rote process, so figure it out yourself." In other words, "just practice for years and you also will be able to copy more accurately." But because he has been posting here for years, it's treated as more profound than it actually is? What is this, Emperor's Clothes syndrome or something else?
>words words wordsjustfuckingdraw
>>7952774JUST EXPLAIN WHY THIS POST HAS SO MANY REPLIES THATS ALL IM ASKING >>7952671
>>7952671if you're still there, can you explain where her nose bridge would be if it was drawn? is it directly right next to the eye nearly touching it, or would it be slightly more to the right? same with the more front facing tomoyo on the bottom left, i understand the nose tip (within my current knowledge) but i don't know where the bridge would be at all
>>7952775they're all me, I wanted to play a little prank on you, now go draw
>>7952713Turn your monitor on.
>>7952431Do blind contours of manga first.
>>7952773it's meant to be seen in the context of all his other posts over the years
>>7952162Could you actually copy properly?Surely you can compare the reference and your drawings? Do you see any difference?Could you fix it?There’s a reason kids start drawing simpler shapes, like irl wooden blocks, balls, cylinders.
>>7952773Good drawing skills enhance your RDF
