Holy shit, this guy can't fucking draw. I knew he was a meme on here, but I'd never actually watched a video of his. The fact that he had the nerve to get Brandon Hackerson up onto his channel and then show him his 6th-grade sketchbook tier art makes me feel sick to my stomach with 2nd-hand embarrassment.
>>7952414I love Jazza, best art entertainment since art attack.
>>7952414Jazza's lack of style is very common in art Youtubers who focus on teaching other people art rather than spend enough time on developing their own art. It's a phenomenon you can find with public school art teachers as well. If you're an artist who only focuses on teaching the fundamentals to other people, the fundamentals are all that's displayed in your own art rather than any individuality or reflection of the art that you love.There's also the fact that one of his biggest influences is Christopher Hart.It's kind of a shame because Jazza's oldest available art looked pretty good.
Jazza, mark kriley and other permabeg yourubers were the only thing we had back in the day. Imagine how pathetic zoomers have to be to be born with every single art resource available and still fail miserably at art. Zoomers are sub-human, go draw your boxes!
>>7952414Yeah, his entertainment value comes more from being like a more mature version of the 'art attack' show; entertainment from viewing people create things with their craft, and teaching how to create with said craft, but not so much the quality of the final product.His work is amateurish at best most of the time.His biggest sin, for me, is his overly cheery 'good boy UwU' persona. I just don't gel with that.
>>7952425Nah, that's just every other Mormon guy. If they're not bitter and grouchy like Shadiversity, they're overly cheery. But that's typical for people raised in cult environments.
>>7952414I mean he's pretty aware he isn't the best artist, he's an "art influencer". His job is to entertain and sometimes he throws in advice and tips that are basic enough to where it can't lead people astray. It's like going to a play and getting mad that the actors aren't the characters lmao.
>>7952414idk, mogs me
>>7952414He's better than you thoughbeit, unless you pyw showing otherwise
Have some mercy on him, he got crabbed at the very beginning of his art journey due to his brother Shad, giving him some of the worst art learning resources possible
>>7952420Fuck off Shad at least he's not delegated to being a proompter like (You)
>>7952507Shad hates Jazza now because Jazza asked him not to be a fucking sperg at family gatherings
>>7952423>mark krileyHe's actually pretty decent. Go back and look at his Brody Ghost stuff and miki falls--signature work and stands out among the sea of ai sloppa. I attribute Mark Crilley's tutorials when I was a kid to the burned in wrote memory I have now when I don't try.
how do you all know so much about these people
>>7952507>Fuck off Shad at least he's not delegated to being a proompter likeare you sure? he used AI for the background art for his roleplay book he sells lmao.he also use it for his character in RPG.
>>7952783His past videos have gotten better in retrospect. Like compared to even more skillful authors his videos on the process of making comics and what you need to get a professional look is really useful cause you see him learning in real time. Throughout his run of Brody's Ghost the videos he was making publishing standards and storytelling so you can see how he applied the methods he talks about in his actual book. As good as someone like Oda or Araki might be you never see them or their contemporaries kind of catalogue how they are making their shit in real time, its usually like in retrospect and maybe you get the one interview were they happen to be working on a chapter at that time. But the Mark Crilley videos you can see him apply his own logic to his own work and break down the steps
>>7952414Jazza is very good. The problem is that he is wasting his talent.
>>7952795Didn't he change his position and become more staunchly against AI?
>>7952795His earlier books like Shadow of the Conquerer had him collaborating or paying an artist to draw the book cover which he was quite proud of. Imagine any of his readers searching up for his new books and finding out AI generated book contents lmao
>>7952950> Shadow of the Conquerer had him collaborating or paying an artist to draw the book cover Did they draw the Main Character talking to his Dick?
>>7952414He's "good enough"Truth is that with a lot of art career success, while there's a threshold of skill in order to make it, it's far lower than anyone on this board is willing to admitPast that bar, it becomes about marketing yourself
>>7952414I like him
>>7952414Hi shad
>>7952425His wife is fine and his kids are cute, he has nothing to be upset about other than being brother to a lolcow.
>>7952959a good chunk of success is networking, bryan o'malley's story is basically spending a few years going around meeting artists and shit, and then one of his connections hooking him up with a publishing deal because they just had an open spot to fill and remembered his name.
>>7952414Obsessing over the skill level of random artists is peak beg behaviour
>>7952414You'll NEVER deserve that second stat point in art, Shad
>>7952959>>7953176It's even more important nowadays considering the market is so extremely oversaturated that networking and marketing to different degrees are a requirement to not get lost in the noise. The facts are most artists on here are just terrible entrepreneurs.
>>7952959Skill mattered before but the most impottant thing is just being lucky, which includes being early. I could have easily been as successful as o'malley but I was just too young at the time. Sure scott pilgrim can be called good, but if it came out today it would 100% be completely unknown and probably even lolcowed. In 2026 our society is actually so broken that "making it" doesn't exist anymore, in any field. We're all just circling the drain until US, Canada, and Japan collapse for reasons I'm not allowed to say.
>>7953227Post your work and your marketing experience
>>7953227>LolcowedWhy? It's a just a comic and O'Malley isn't terminally online enough to become a lolcow to anyone but schizos
>>7953234irrelevant, if I was born in the 80s I would have hade more of both
>>7952959Picrel is already beyond what most of this board will ever accomplish though.It’s less “the bar is surprisingly low” and more “even very simple art is harder than it looks”.
>>7952954Who knows. I tapped out of his content years ago when it just turned into angry guy yells at cloud podcast
>>7952911This
>so much talk but no one has actually posted any of his art.Get over yourselves. It's not bad
>>7953227>I could have easily been as successful as o'malley but I was just too young at the time.I know, right dude? I could have easily been as big as the Beatles, I just wasn't born yet, and I don't know how to play an instrument... Shit sucks.
>>7952959Actually it's about character and style, don't act like Scott Pilgrim isn't a quality graphic novel, it's very well styalized and well written, vision and characterization is king, being good at drawing just makes it easier, skill is cheap, the average photorealistic portrait drawer is worthless compared to O'malley in terms of overall artistic merit.
>>7953636its not the worst thing ever, but a lot of it has to do with lack of appeal or finesse to it, which feels more indicative of online art during late 2000s/early 2010s. His old flash cartoons looked more tolerable imo
>>7953642bad example, the uk was so devoid of talent that those retards took over the entire country with a bunch of stinkers.
>>7952414/beg/ needs to learn a thing or two from art kektubers: sometimes its not about your art or your skill, sometimes its about the willing to drop your izzat under the guise of 'confidence' and yap in front of camera under the guise of 'teaching people art'You want some easy money from drawing but cant draw or get into industry and too dumb to deceive people with aislop? Become art kektuber
>anyone who doesn't work for Riotgames making the LoL splashes is a "/beg/" who "can't draw"
>>7954399Exactly! The beatles suck and I could have easily been bigger than them, if I had been born at the time, and knew how to play an instrument, and knew how to write music, and also had friends to form a band with, and also could spare the effort to play live performances, and...I coulda' been big!
>>7954426>thinks riot slop is a good metric
I didn't know this person and it was surprisingly hard to find his recent artworkhttps://www.redbubble.com/people/jazzastudiosmost of it looks straight out of beg, but it has a lot of charm and I kinda get it
>>7954432I'll ask my mom to buy me this poster
>>7954432its hard to find art from these big youtubers. actually drawing is bad for business.
>>7952414nothing against the guy but I fucking hate looking at this dead color palette avatar
>>7954432I am firmly in /beg/ and even I can tell you this tangent is horrid, good lord.
>>7954510I look like that
>>7954445Nowadays I only watch artists who draw low effort but still nice stuff like jelarts or viyaura. Used to love watching drawingwiffwaffles playing with random shit she got in a dropbox.I feel I actually learnt more from watching them figure stuff up irt than the curated and edited "masters" like proko.
>>7954510>outlined the tangent in thicc blackWhy would you do this?
>>7952414These shit artists are proof that having a stable life bears having raw skill every time. I draw better than him but I'm playing on Nightmare mode while he gets away with being a /beg/ because he's on Peaceful mode
>>7953636it's like a deviantart piece in 2008
>>7952414>good rendering>renderslop>good structure but bad rendering>perma/beg/ can't fucking drawWhat do you guys want?
>>7955866how bout good draftmanship? Good lines? good sketches?
>>7952414how do these people not go insane online? Especially in the past ten years. Any random twitter artist can draw ten times better than them so how do they cope? How do they look at this >>7954510 and think "yeah, I NEED to sell courses and teach others how to draw like this"
>>7952414stop hating on my nigga i wouldn't be drawing now if it weren't for him
>>7955902The only people going insane because they aren't the best have literally nothing else going for them in life except being the best. Jazza has a studio, a wife and kids, a home, has made a massive bag, just got done raising like 10x his kickstarter for some mediocre book just because of fan loyalty. I think it's safe to say he doesn't give af about being the best, he already has it made
>>7955918why does he get to be happy when hes not good at drawing? he needs to be taken down a peg
>>7955924u right u right mb, beg ass faggot needs to grind 10000000 boxes before he's allowed to feel joy
>>7953636holy permabeg kek...
>>7955902He's more of an entertainer these days, rather than an art teacher. People have made comparisons to art attack, even in this thread, and I think that's apt. Do you really think the host from art attack was a great artist? He was probably good, sure, but probably no better than the average hobbyist - but that didn't make his show less entertaining.Point is, Jazza may not be a great artist either, but he's good enough where he can to about certain artistic subjects with some level of authority, and good enough where people are interested in watching him work.His videos are his actual product, and the art is just the means in which to make them.... all this said, I saw he released a book on anatomy, and I can't help but think that he's not thaaat good - you need a certain level of skill to release a book on a subject, in my opinion, and Jazza has not reached that point.
>>7952959>it's far lower than anyone on this board is willing to admitThe skill required to make it in comics is absolutely staggering I'm assuming you're downplaying it by posting Scott because you think skill=being able to render all the human muscles and drawing cubes in perspective or some retarded shit instead of things that constitute 80% of the appeal like composition, color or pacing which picrel has in spades
>>7955902>Any random twitter artist can draw ten times better than them so how do they cope?When you get older you realize that being "the best" is really silly and vague also the 'best' is highly subjective, people will tell you that Harry Potter is the best fantasy series and Lord of The Rings is boring. People connect to different kind of works in different kind of ways and while other things may be considered great you may not have any interest in it. I've met someone who found who found paintings by Leonardo Davinci boring and Michael Angelo boring and they're considered the 'best'. >I NEED to sell courses and teach others how to draw like this"I don't like Greg Doucette but he was absolutely right when he said "All you need is to know 5% more the average person In order for someone to consider you an expert" and fortune favors the bold. Also what is he really losing from selling courses? He makes an evergreen product and leaves it dangling for whoever is silly enough to take it. People do not use money based on logic, and people have a lot to throw away, all major companies realized this and that's why everything is shit quality wise now.
>>7952414idk what it is, but I've always found that avatar he still uses to this day utterly repulsive.
>>7954510I think this looks great... what's wrong with it?
>>7952423PywYou have all sources available now and you had all those years ahead of the zoomers. Show us what you can do.
>>7952414>>7952795Classic example of a studyfag who studied everything except appeal. This guy has zero sense of taste and it's hard to tell what he even likes.
>>7956099he didn't make that book himself, another artist collaborated with him on it.that artist might actually be competent.still, there are a dozen classic anatomy books available for free online so I can't imagine anybody backed the KS for any other reason than feeling pity for Jazza.In his last video he was even crying, honestly I was disgusted but I guess he has no choice but e-begging to support his family
>>7961837>CryingAll YouTubers do this, it's a calculated tactic and tends to work unless they're a sex pestYou gotta do what you gotta do. Most legacy YouTubers like him are struggling because the ad money has dried up and a career pivot at that point would only result in shit tier retail work or Uber eats as they probably don't have any other skills and time is running out. Imo, too many of these pootubers live above their means and try to expand way too much. A lot of these guys really don't need big studios with a bunch of people which only means more and more mouths to feed. A lot of them also splurge on big houses and cars when they peak. More of these guys may have to embrace solo work again.
>>7959677I don't need "sources" anymore, kiddo. I've become a source myself.
>>7954510>>7953636I don't see what's so bad about his art.
>>7952414he clearly enjoys making art and making different kinds of art no idea why you guys are so gay
>>7961886based
>>7965508/ic/ has literally just always hated everyone who’s even a little bit skilled and successful. It’s just 4chan culture basically. Crabs in a bucket mentality
His work is pretty good, not sure why he deleted this one.
>>7965581Ain't no way aw hell naw
>>7965581kek
>>7965581i like this
>>7953636This is making me think that he’s gay>>7965581Oh……..
>>7952959>Past that bar, it becomes about having natural appealYou can't have good art without appeal.I said you can't have good art without appeal.You can study, you can copy, you can polish-polish-polishBut you can't have good art without appeal.You can make sure your art is really clean.You can nail all the fundies with your skills.You can anatomy, and perspective, and render all nice and prettyBut you can't have good art without appeal.You're born with appeal or you're not.I said you are born with appeal, or you're not.If your brain just won't do it, you'd better say "just screw it"Because your art's gonna flop without appeal.
>>7965773what is appeal to you? im curious if you quantify what you're saying beyond feelings at which point i could just say I feel you're wrong
>>7965777oh who am i kidding some people just have taste and some dont. i went through this thread and technically most of jazza's stuff is around high beg or int, but his taste is so shit it all just looks bad unless youre like a hyperspecific audience that enjoys his disgusting look art
>>7965581There's no way this is real, right?
>>7954510>>7965581why is this guy obsessed with gold
>>7955645I think he outlined the pile on the right in order to outline the dragon's neck, but then it ended up look like he forgot to outline the other half so he had to do that part, too
>Literally zero OC posted in the threadniggers and foids infest this fucking cesspit of a board and all of you subhumans better ask Jesus to forgive your miserable asses for being such hypocritical cuntnuggets
>>7969590this is an unfinished painting so I have to give it a 0
>>7969590you know OC usually implies original thought and ideation. You know, a product of creativity. This looks like it's just a study of armor. However, if this is a product of your own visual bank, then go off king
>>7952414Being pessimistic is unrealistic. Your ancestors survived by being successful, you have to be successful too. This is why people like jazza succeed, they are realistic.
>>7969834Usually success comes to those who find the balance between what they bring to the table and being realistic about the ways of the world. Acknowledging that nepotism, bureaucracy, financial constraints, and human psychology play massive roles in who succeeds is the first step, to understanding how to succeed. Idealism dies without the smarts to navigate reality. If you want to bring about a better world, you need to play the world's game without letting it consume you. It's tough, which is why many people who try that usually just end up "selling out". They lose themselves, forget why they started.
>>7969590>you have to be a chef to call a pile of shit served on a plate "bad"
>>7952423You have to look at these things in context. Kriley was one of the most legit people on early youtube. Sure these days more professional illustrators are making videos, but in 2010 noone knew what they were doing.
>>7955926The thing is that there are so many talented and decent people out there who deserve to have a good life but can't catch a break. When someone's genuinely at the top of their game it's obvious why they get to live the good life, but it's difficult being happy for the fortunate few who seemingly just won the lottery, even if you recognize that resentment is not a good mentality.
>>7969936Life isn't fair. There are many bad people who never see justice or karma. There are many good people who never get the life they deserve. Some people have all the luck. Some people can never catch a break. But to cede all agency to chance is to do yourself a disservice. There is as much opportunity in this world as you allow yourself to see.As many in this thread have pointed out, by virtue of being first, or an early adopter, the skill you need to succeed is far lower than when something has reached full maturity and you're competing against corporations, normies, the world. Twitch streamers, Jazza, etc. The bar was extremely low when they entered. If you feel your skill isn't up to par, perhaps you're just looking to stand out in the wrong places or wrong way.Technical skill is only half the battle. Market awareness is the other half. An artist that waits for things to be gaining steam, or already at their peak adoption, before joining in, is a terrible businessman. The good ones think long and hard about the future, potential markets, niches that are unfulfilled. Then they create the product and strike before anybody else gets there. Art is your product. There is as much opportunity in this world as you allow yourself to see. And nothing stings more than having seen the potential for a market, not doing anything about it, and then seeing that market explode.
>>7969959I agree with all of that, but I do think there's a huge element of survivor's bias in the narratives about making it in this industry in particular.You should still make use of what agency you have, of course. But isn't a lot of the advice people have been given about putting all their eggs in one basket just knowingly setting most of the suckers who actually take that advice up for failure?
>>7969962I agree. The best advice to people choosing to pursue something so risky is to be pragmatic. Set a timeline and goal, if you don't reach it in that timeline, then pivot to something easier to attain and that's more stable so you can set yourself up to enjoy it later in life if you truly enjoy it. Life requires compromises sometimes. Comes down to what you value and care about in the long term. Just that I think most people take time for granted.
>>7969959I'm not reading this shit, jazza
>still no work.hehe, every time.
>STILL no FUCKIN' work posted. lmao even>>7952959T R V T H N V K E RVTHNVKE
>>7969590mirin saved for inspo very nice workheavypaint?
