https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Djo_Tsubaki#Anime_film>dude spends his entire life savings working for five years by himself on an animated film>it mostly flops and people don't like it because of the extreme gore and how fucking weird it is in general>it's had a couple rereleases but that's it. it doesn't go on to become a cult classic or anything. it's just obscure and forgotten>dude spent his entire life savings and years of his life to become a footnote in historyWas it really worth it? I genuinely don't know. I'm asking. It's a cautionary tale for sure.It's easy to keep going as long as you see the light at the end of the tunnel, as long as you tell yourself that your project is important. But what if you finish it and... nothing happens?Most people on this board spend their time worrying about motivation, time management, building technical skills, etc. But what if you solve all that stuff and actually finish your project and still no one cares? What then? Does your life still have meaning? Was is still worth it?I want to say "yes", and that you have to keep going no matter what. But it's still kind of hard to maintain that optimism. This guy basically accomplished everything that I want to accomplish with my life and no one really cared. They just looked at him like some fucking weirdo and that was it.
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>>7962046It is kind of a cult classicBesides, compared to anything produced by anyone on this board it's infinitely more popular and will keep getting watched by a small group of people for the rest of human life
>>7962050I'm a white dude>>7962051Yeah, in fairness it could be more obscure. He accomplished more than most people ever will for sure. It's still pretty damn obscure though. Probably not as recognizable as Angel's Egg; that's sort of my cutoff for "cult classic known by anime enthusiasts".
>>7962051Delusional, fucking Firez is more popular. BBC probably had more people give him money this year than people watched the film in 10 years. Brian literally ships 3 paintings per day. Hell, more people probably fapped to Mum's tits than ever saw the film.
>>7962046It is a cult anime. It's just an underground movie.
Tbh, nobody in general cares about anime. Only the popular mainstream stuff gets rewatched by some autists.Anime is mainly just cartoon shows for kids.
>>7962069Academics literally publish papers analyzing anime films like they’re classic novels
>>7962069anime website kill yourself
>>7962046I mean his magnum opus really is weird, but he sacrificed himself for it. Unlike the foreverplanners of this board. Always researching and never drawing.
>>7962074academics literally publish papers on cuckoldry being a high iq fetish and there being 9000 genders, learn how the academia functions before saying dumb shit
>>7962074>academics publish papershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair
>>7962069Retarded, anime is the only culture alive, everything else is dead because it's worthless shit. Also, anime site faggot.
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>>7962069How are there still people who type nonsense like this? Is it funny just typing the exact opposite of what you observe in reality? Are you trying to convince yourself with affirmations?
>>7962046You fail t present an "alternative" to that passion project. Most people goes though life without doing nothing at all but consuming other's garbage. Watching tv and fatting their life away.That guy did something he wanted to do, that's all what matters at the end. Would have been okay for him to spend his fortune collecting toys or paying whores and throw away shit as most people do?
>>7962215the internet and your discord aren't reality, you are infinitely more likely to hear someone talk about hollyjew slop than anime
>>7962223Not him, but spending your life savings (read: working decades to pay) to animate someone else's story is pretty retarded no matter which way you slice it.
>>7962223>>7962232That is to say, the alternative is to make something of your own instead of insisting it HAS to be Naruto or whatever manga you're autistically obsessing about.
>>7962046for me it would be worth it, I don't give a fuck about other peoples attention, I'm doing for the fun and love for this game
its all trial and error and opportunities, the creator of fnaf was really close to give up on games because his art style was ugly and creepy and all he wanted to do was kids games, then he used that ugliness to create a horror game and ironically enough it worked with kids.maybe that guy you are talking about wasnt lucky enough to find a different path, his artstyle is great but creepy, maybe he had to try more projects, small ones so not much time is wasted.also, now with the internet your chances of finding your niche is really high, that artist from your wiki link would 100% be pretty porpular these days you dont really have an excuse to not be popular other than lacking time or not using it correctly.
>you dont really have an excuse to not be popular other than lacking time or not using it correctly.Well anon, are you?
Do you retards even read before replying? He's a professional anime storyboarder, animator and assistant director, and this was just one adaptation he worked on, it's not his story, it wasn't his one chance of making it, he's not a fucking sarariman toiling in the mines while dreaming of animating, starving himself so he can tell the world his story, this is basically video game novelization levels of creativity.
>>7962273im using my time to learn my fundamentals
>>7962046First in an adaptation of the manga by Suehiro Maruo who's more well known for his eroguro stuff. You might not know him but you've probably seen his art here and there (pic related).And second the film is a cult classic. Now when you compare it to other cult classics it is indeed probably even more obscure but its hardly the hardest thing to get a hold off. It only was hard to watch due to its extreme content which lead to a lot of issues on the distribution side.So yeah, dude spent a lot of time working on something that is very cult and obscure but there's people that like it and deeply care about it even after all these years and find it a worthy piece of art like myself, and to achieve that is to achieve more than most could ever dream off. I think its inspirational.The same goes for the mangaka.
>>7962294I read the manga and thought it was shit. What even is the point of those pointlessly edgy stories anyway?
>>7962431I think the point is up to interpetation, but tons of people like midori/shojo tsubaki. There's a stage show, and even a recent live action movie of it. I don't know if there's much purpose besides shock, and making the readers uncomfortable, but it does its job well in that regard. Also he's a really good illustrator. Oh, also he just got a new english translation published.
>>7962539Yeah I do agree he's good at shocking people and that his compositions are good. It has its place but it feels kinda cheap or pointless.
>>7962431you know...
>>7962052>I'm a white dude>white brownest ethnicity>dudetranniest gender
>>7962046What the fuck are you talking about, zoomer retard? It's a very well known cult classic which earned him a permanent place in anime history. You are just a whiny sub-human that is trash at art but has only watched entry level anime. So yes, give up, and preferably end your life too
>>7962046That's how it goes. Van Gogh would have been forgotten had it not been for the efforts of his family, and even they lucked out in doing so.How many artists are simply overlooked? Personally, I don't mind.One of my favourite bands is an american punk band called Angst. Their greatest claim to fame is that Frank Black, the frontman of the pixies, is really enamoured with them.Aside from that, they somehow managed to release four or so albums, but no singles or well known songs.However frank black loved them. I see whatever I'll make the same way.If one person cares about what I've made, and feels it resonates with them, then mission accomplished.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ngD7C9D2p8
>>7962431>What even is the point of those pointlessly edgy stories anyway?>>7962560>It has its place but it feels kinda cheap or pointless.Your wholesome gay stories are fake and pointless. You are just too dumb and spoiled to understand it.
>>7962046>This guy basically accomplished everything that I want to accomplish with my life and no one really cared. They just looked at him like some fucking weirdo and that was it.I get wanting to be recognised for your work, but is the point the recognition or the work in the first place? I haven't seen this thing, i've never watched it and i have no relationship to it. Whether its pointlessly violent or mundane is of no consequence to me what matters is that he made his own film alone. He set a bar and he put in work in order to achieve his goal. This isn't a cautionary tale; on some level its admirable, much more so than a lot of other things out there simply just due to the time investment and dedication
>>7962046>Most people on this board spend their time worrying about motivation, time management, building technical skillsHow about you go back to worrying about those things because those are the things you actually have some influence over?Okay if you want a platitude to comfort you or something, YOUR FIRST PROJECT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE LAST ONE. You're not 70 years old yet so if it doesn't succeed you can't just make another one. Right?
>>7962046Based. The amount of people on the internet who are incapable mustering an ambition higher than drawing safe pin-up on a white void is insane. Is that really the stuff that inspired you to draw? The most normie-safe subject in the most normie-friendly styles? Is that the message that words couldn't convey so youre struggling to bootstrapped a visual language for?
>>7962763>I get wanting to be recognised for your work, but is the point the recognition or the work in the first place?I think they're kind of inseparable. Why make art at all if you don't want anyone to appreciate it?That certainly doesn't mean you should just chase the market or popular trends. But you want to find SOME sort of audience for your work. You don't want to just keep it locked in a safe somewhere where you're the only person who ever sees it.>Whether its pointlessly violent or mundane is of no consequence to meI've watched the movie and I thought it was really good. It deserves to be better-known imo.
>>7962871There obviously is an audience for Midori, otherwise they wouldn't have made a live action movie adaption of it.The vast majority of people are just retards and rather consume goyslop. That's why it's so difficult to make money with authentic art. Unless you are a literal genius like Maruo, you most likely won't be very successfull, unless you chase the current goyslop trends.
>>7962723>read the equivalent of cheap gore porn>suddenly I'm le mature connoisseur of le artYou're trying too hard
>>7962985Maruo draws nightmare fairy tales. Has little to do with cheap gore porn. Only a complete imbecile could think that way. Fairy tales have always been brutal.
>>7962985And even if it would be gore porn, so what?Porn is more honest and authentic than your sterile wholesome kitsch.
>>7962723>Your wholesome gay stories are fake and pointless.yeah we get it you have unresolved issues with your mother
>>7963044We get it you are a fake hypocrite who rather consumes fake hollywood shit for superficial people like you
>>7962069Anime is now beating hollywood
>>7963066your obsession with the grotesque is just as superficial, life exists in multitudes, if you believe that something is inherently more "true" simply because of it being overly violent and/or gross and dismiss the literally countless of historical events that showed how humans inherently care for other humans you are much more deluded than someone who enjoys a happy ending
>>7963066>no rebuttal to the mommy issues commenti'll take the win, thank you
>>7963397Art is communication. You are the dumbfuck who rather communicates how pretty the flowers are instead of communicating how fucked up society is. You are naive and immature so you prefer naive and immature art. And anyone who doesn't is just "edgy" in your eyes.
>>7962046How much do first worlders earn to have so much disposable income to make an entire animated film by themselves?
>>7963441Japan did all kinds of crazy shit during the 80s because of the "bubble economy". They also made very expensive videogame projects which barely sold, just because they were able to. That's also a reason why anime was better during 80s.
>>7963441It took his entire life savings and I think he was pretty old when he started
