The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7952113Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Today is My Death Day, a oneshot.
>>7962838Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7962839Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7962842/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
No other creative general on 4chan posts non-anons work for their OP's. I've heard your arguments for it, that you think it will encourage competition and draw attention to the anon's work, but frankly those arguments are completely retarded and the whole practice shows an overly sensitive atmosphere throughout the general.
>>7962855okay. would you like to be the first anon's work in the OP? if so, mind volunteering a page for next thread?
Is AI good enough to draw manga for me yet? I just want to write.
>>7962865Why don't you ask Claude?
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>>7962855No thank you, the published manga pages look better
>>7962876>>7962876ink wash
>>7962885Markers
>>7962886screentone (digital)which one looks the best?
>>7962867wtf is a claude
>>7962889he's my uncle
>>7962889Ask duck.ai
Is Hiromu Arakawa a good first artist to study/emulate as an amateur artist who's mostly been doing fundies and life drawings? Her style is very appealing and "surgical" enough, showing a great grasp of fundamentals while also avoiding the jankiness Chainsaw man and JJK have in terms of visuals/drawing quality
>>7962855Why? So we can be like /salt/ or any of the other generals where threads constantly get dragged into drama, some of it revolving around who got included in the anon-montage picture and who didnt? We post professional images as the OP as stuff to look at and aspire to. Going down the same route as other generals would only ironically encourage more of the sensitive butthurt feefees you talk about.
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>>7962897I think Arakawa is a great choice, her art is very clean and deliberate. More modern artists like Fujimoto have a great deal of randomness/wing-it qualities to them that make them difficult to study.
>>7962897Honestly just study the artists whose art you personally want to emulate, don’t worry about picking a good “beginner” artist.
>>7962891>>7962892>what is this?>JuSt AsK aIHumans are useless. So glad AI is replacing all you fucks
>>7962897Fuck around and find out >>7962944You too
>>7962897>>7962931A good way to know if a mangaka is good enough to study from both art-wise and in terms of comic making is to take a look at their full color pieces/covers/finished art pieces outside of the manga. I'm also surprised japanese illustrators or character designers in general outside of manga never get recommended enough over here, there's plenty of pre-narou light novel illustrators with fun art styles.
>>7962897I recommend it. I agree with >>7962931 calling it clean/deliberate, especially with how little lines she uses to make the characters.I used to reference them a lot for exaggerated faces.
>>7962855Dubs of truth. No creative general harbors more resentment for it's creators than /mmg/ does
>>7962942This
>>7963001We already agree it's true, that's why non-anon work in the OP is established. The board itself tends to attract plenty of self defeating losers, crabs, whatever you prefer to call them, when you're talking about a medium already competitive all it's own... you think it's a simple change but there's actually no benefit at all.
>>7963025The unwillingness to put anon's work in the OP is more a symptom of the much greater issue, that of a lack of community. This general is anti-social.Exposure on the internet is exponential. At 0 followers, you have very little exposure, at 10 followers, still very little, but once you cross the threshold of a few thousand (which isn't very many) your exposure jumps enormously. It's far easier to go from 1000 to 10000 than it is to go from 0 to 1000.Having a community backing you can help you get through that slow phase much faster.But of course, this general here is so anti-social they'll very likely cope and say they don't want to be popular anyway.
>>7963033I mean if anyone really wants it they can always just make their own thread? Can't think of bigger exposure here than that. It also takes months to disappear because of how empty the board is, there's really not that many posters left.
>>7963040That would cause drama. Splitting generals over disagreements like this is never a good idea
>>7963043who said anything about that? People make threads for their own comics every now and again.
>>7963033Social media is deader than dead, 90%+ is just bots shouting at other bots and none of it actually brings money. If you didn't get rolling 20 years ago there is no chance now.
>>7962889Pokemon streamer
>>7962944More like if you're that interested in AI just go fucking talk to it instead of wasting real people's time
>>7963033>the much greater issue, that of a lack of communityIt's a feature. There's a discord if you need one.
I can draw a fight after the mundane scenesI can draw a fight after the mundane scenesI can draw a fight after the mundane scenesI can draw a fight after the mundane scenes
>>7963074Hey...some of us LIKE mundane scenes.
>>7963075I'm just really bad at writing these group meetup scenes. When there's already tons of space being taken up by characters its hard to make the dialogue sound more than functional or to sneak in lines that push character chemistry. at least without slowing down the pace a ton. Ive found I prefer to write scenes with a couple characters, or 1 on 1 conversations. I guess its a lot easier when a scene is highlighting a single character instead of balancing multiple.
>>7963077Write to your strengths, anon. Stop following what other stories do. If you don't like group meetup scenes, don't do them.
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>>7962302sup fellas do you think this page works as a pre-catharsis flashback that comes right after the quoted post's page?
>>7962838>Today is my Death DayRead the fucked up comic, i found by reverse search, but this scene wasn't part of it.
Guys, what is about dialog heavy stories? Does it make sense as manga?
>>7963108Just feel yourself to the appropriate number of panels for your dialog, to balance walls of text to panel count. Maybe tone down excitement when it comes panel shapes and drawings so they don't steal attention. And goddamn readable fonts.
>>7963107>this scene wasn't part of itI grabbed it from the oneshot hosted on Mangadex.
>>7963108I think what trips people up is that they don't think of the dialogue in the form of a story being told, which creates a lopsided focus on merely placing dialogue instead of building up a narrative. When people have a dialogue they are thinking, moving, gesturing- doing "business". You can make any dialogue entertaining so long as you remain keyed in on these aspects no matter how text heavy it is. The other aspect is to divide up discussion narrative scene by scene to create a sense of flow rather than cramming text into fewer pages.Just because no one's running, punching or kicking that doesn't mean there's nothing happening or even that the story isn't moving forward. Exposition is a natural part of any story so it's up to you to make it interesting.
>>7963108Yes, just look at that one HxH page kek.
>>7963141>Just because no one's running, punching or kicking that doesn't mean there's nothing happening or even that the story isn't moving forward.Nta but can confirn. I probably said it before but there were matchups in that law show Suits that had me as excited as I can be for epic anime fights.
>>7963105yeah easily, with the repeat imagery of the rapier its obvious.>>7962455 cont.I'm not sold on the "Creeaak..." sfx, but i'm concered my comic is too silent so far.
>>7963033Okay. Would you like to be the first? I already asked this but I can't help but notice I didn't get a reply.
>>7963033>But of course, this general here is so anti-social they'll very likely cope and say they don't want to be popular anyway.Are you hoping you'll make it one day with your comic? If so, /mmg/ is not going to help with exposure. The only people reading this general are people who work on comics. Normal people don't even come to /ic/ let alone generals. or even 4chan. However if you made your comic the OP of the next thread I dont think anyones going to rip your head off.
>>7963192You built enough intrigue with those first few pages of the (not) suicide attempt that its fine.Not sure how I feel about that panel those two close up panels cause they seem redundant.For one there doesnt seem to be a reason to have two close ups of her face. Like I get maybe the top one, but to have it follow up by that second one kind of contradicts her mood. Also something worth mentioning is that if she as that "Dead Inside" look in this top panel, then the bigger drawing wheres shes braiding her hair should reflect/transition to that. She looks like those confident drawings from those earlier pages
>>7963203Like this is just a small edit but I would have her eyes shut in the top panel, keep the next panel, and edit the eyes out of the other panel. Thats like the easiest way to make it less redundant. Or what you could do(but requires more work) is get rid of the top eye panel and make the second panel (the one where you have that speech bubble) be the dominant drawing. Draw the entire head and give her a different more confident mood. You've had her sulking and introspective for the past couple of pages, and I assume shes leaving the room to have dinner or something. So realize that in a drawing and have her transition into a more confident mood. Have her suck it up and draw her in a confident manner(even if its just cope) and have her leave the room confident
drafting/lining hefferchu comics, any feedback welcomehttps://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams>>7963192I think having the SFX be smaller here would help it fit in more, with less of a uniform white outline (it makes the SFX look soft, but I imagine a creak is a harsher sound with more jaggy shapes).
Haven't been to /mmg/ in awhile . Some quite good stuff in here .
The latest Layout for the new manga I'm making.<----
>>7963323Nice to see you back, Plemin anon.
>>7963107retard
I keep getting into ruts where I don't feel It's worth it to make anything. This medium feels dead. No one gives a fuck about indie comics anyway. Everyone says they're tired of corporate franchise slop, but still go to corporate sources for "original IP." Youtuber shills will highlight an indie and every time its published by image. the audience doesn't actually want to engage in old-web habits and naturally find a webcomic site, they want to use webtoons.
>>7963477You're distracted. You're focussing on minutiae like who published a comic. Nobody cares about the publisher, they care about the comic. Make the comic good, that's all that matters.
>>7963522Hi dingle how's the hentai gig going? Did the boy impregnate the two girls with his cum yet?
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>>7963522hes got a point though. Nobody reads comics anymore. The only people who read are people who only want to read the most relevant stuff. Even the slop on webtoons that's popular is considered the marvel and dc of that part of the internet for foids. They read it because they think its the best, not because they like it or they discovered it and connected with it.
>>7963477>>7963866There are thousands of manga titles no one will ever learn about because of incredibly local availability. You only see a bare fraction of what is made. Can you even imagine being happy making something without these kinds of fantasy expectations? If you aren't a storyteller why even bother.
>>7963477>>7963866That's nice. Still working on my comic though, it's pretty fun so I recommend you do the same unless you don't derive any sense of satisfaction from it. And if you're worried the comic you want to make won't be good enough to get popular and that's all you care about, just make a better comic. That's your problem, not anybody else's.
>>7963882I agree with you, but I also believe in weeding out people whose hearts are not in it.
>>7963105last page till next week
>>7963895Those people are what /hyw/ is for
>>7963896>fantasy languageIf I had a coin for every time an anon came up with a fantasy language for their comic in /mmg/, I'd have two coins, maybe three. Which isn't a lot, but it's interesting that it's happened this much.
>>7963916I have coin anecdote fatigue.
feels like i've lost my mojo
>>7964105Are you suffering from "why the fuck is this one panel so hard I just did another panel where I feel like I had a direct conduit to god and now I'm like a useless husk jesus fuck why won't the art just come out already shit fuck" syndrome?
>>7964110nosucks you're going through that though
>>7964105Rendering is always the most draining part of the process. Just remember the money you'll get(I assume this was paid work I forgot if it was or not)
what are the advantages of drawing manga over webcomics? seems like webcomics do better in the west
>>7964252Why can't a webcomic be a manga and vice-versa?
>>7964252What is "do better"? Because webcomics don't make any money for the artist
>>7964252More story because you're drawing in greyscale. However, this falls apart now that everybody wants to make Berserk 2
>>7964105despite depicting sex your art is completely sexless
>>7964634They do though. Go to r/comics, sort by best, and all the top comics have very successful patreons. The webcomic indie scene is way more lucrative than the indie manga scene.
how can I make money with a webcomic or a wester manga? Is it even possible if you are not jap or make jap related content?
>>7964744Good art, good writing, and good marketing.
>>7964764You just need good marketing, the art and writing are optional.
>>7964878In case it looks like something is missing: I'm still gonna add the RCS thruster's plume of air and sfx when I add tones. Along with other things.
>>7964878even if its a tiny bit, it adds some depth. the composition and panelling still kinda sucks tho.Those cinema stlye comps need more room.
>>7964637don't think i don't know. maybe i'm just no good at hentai.
>>7964637nta but how?
