I'm asking this since these two seem to be this board's hated artists.Also who do y'all think is the better artist?
Pretty sure DAB has been around for a decade now lol
>>7963463Unironically what's even that wrong with drawabox? It's literally just a different, arguably worse version of Peter Han's course, but the general principles are solid.
>>7963473Buy an ad
>>7963473It's just more bloated than peter han's course according to the other anons and anons seem to have found that drawabox draws shit.
>>7963463only autistic brains stunts /permaprebegs/
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>>7963463You know, calling someone else a hack kinda falls flat if you also post a drawing that looks worse than what they make
>>7963473He sells it as Step One in learning to draw, but he's a shitty teacher so the best case scenario someone drops DaB for someone who can actually teach them how to apply this stuff.
>>7963514It's just an intentionally shitty drawing to cut corners. I don't actually draw like that
I never liked Jazza's stuff but I viewed him as more of an artist youtuber he's /int/ at best, but you don't care because you watch for the wacky challenges he's doing not really to learn. There are other channels like (SINIX or Sycra) that were more learning focused and while he made the occasional tutorial vid his content never felt that way, so I don't get the hate he gets. DaB is specifically saying they can teach you so that one actually makes sense especially when you look at his art
>dabwhy should i hate dab>jazzaliterally who
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>>7963473Jeet
>>7963463>Who do y'all think stunted potential artists more?No one. It's laziness on the part of the student to believe they can get all the answers from one source, that they don't have to do research and instead can rely on consensus, and who have rationalized their lack of investment by saying they only have enough time to try one or two methods.I'm not defending Jazza or DaB. But people should take responsibility for their own journey. Those guys aren't lying to anyone. You can see their work. Following them is a choice.
DaB is bad because it kills and rapes everyone who is not able to finish it, aka most noobs.
Filtered by shapes lol
>>7963618Absolutee gem
>>7963652I blame DaB cultists. Whenever you go on reddit you get lots of people who never actually tried DaB but then recommends DaB. I see more begs recommending it than anyone with experience mentioning the same
>>7964059I think it's because most people know DaB is good in theory, but don't actually have the follow through or capacity to do it in a meaningful way that actually benefits them. So it becomes advice that's parroted with many tangible products of that grind. If I've learned anything over the years of seeing art courses, is that people like being sold ideas. So if you're going to shill a course, you should personally invest time in making sure the early adopters succeed with it and use their stories as example you can point to.
>>7963479>>7963519>>7964059>>7964076>>7963652For being a free course is it fine? Assuming you go all the way through. Let's say I do it in the order that the /ic/ sticky recommends.
>>7963473Have you taken a look at the work of the who made drawabox? Those who can’t do, teach.
>>7964076The way I observe it is DaB is one of those courses where begs and people who dont really draw recommends to people who really really wants to improve quickly. Which ironically causes burnout at the beginning stage hence why he eventually introduce the 50/50 study to your own personal art rule. Which is fine, that's how you should always treat drawing as half of it experimenting your own stuff and the other half is just do whatever you want. I also think like art is one of those where you really do have to have aptitude or passion in doing it otherwise it'll just drag you down, or it'll take very long time before you find enjoyment in it. What I see is some people just want to become an artist, just cuz. If they have their own story or stuff they want to see drawn, then good. But DaB audience tends to be the "I want to gitgud spoonfeed me" crowd rather than have like, an innate curiosity for these kinds of things. So they just end up doing just the grind and through all those grind didnt have much things to show for.
>>7963618holy
>>7963463frankly saying, jazza has good businessman ship. even some people thinks his art is not aesthetically good
>>7964203No. It's just shit cribbed from better sources and they're all free if you're not completely fucking braindead
>>7964203I won't speak to DaB specifically.As important as it is for you to be able to draw a good box, it is an embarrassingly small subject that requires 30 minutes of concise explanation, not 3 months worth of dedicated learning material. Its efficacy is in its application, not in itself. As such, too much hand-holding can become detrimental.You may not want to hear this, but a lot of art learning is emergent. It comes from you being alone, away from any distraction, and working your way through problems in solitude. It's 10% acquired knowledge, and 90% personal problem solving. No tutorial can truly teach you that 90%.
>>7963473>It's literally just a different, arguably worse version of Peter Han's courseLemme see>Option A - Learn under Peter Han for a few days, weeks and get good fast>Option B - Learn under DAB for months and still suck ass because he can't teachDAB took Peter Han classes, then used his class notes to create DAB and make bank off It so basically what Proko did with Watts Atelier. Just learn from their teachers If you don't wanna waste your time, both Peter and Watts have online classes.
>>7963618I kneel
Jazza just does stuff for 12-year-olds who feel like they're learning something from watching people like him and ZHC do "funny" shit with art. He's completely worthless as a teacher.Drawabox is just a better Peter Han but a worse Charles Hu (and yes, I mean that). Peter Han's not for beginners—he teaches people who already have some experience with art and want to get smoother with their process; he doesn't get deep into the "why" of things, he just expects you to catch his flow. Drawabox does get deep into the "why" and explains everything Peter Han misses, but it his retarded challenges, and on top of that the jeet has been lazy as shit about finishing the course for over 5 years.>>7964595>then used his class notes to create DAB and make bank off It so basically what Proko did with Watts Atelier.Difference being that Proko actually bothered to learn anatomy and explain it better than everyone else. If you've ever seen Watts Atelier's classes or his art you'd notice he's mainly a still-life artist; he never gets into the "why" of things—he just expects you to accept "you have to do this because... you just have to, okay?" and move on.
>>7963473The #1 argument against DaB is that his art just isn’t very good, and in fact it’s the exact kind of art you’d expect from a hyper autistic box drawer who starts a subreddit called /r/ArtFundamentals. It’s not bad in the sense of being /beg/ or anything, it’s just weird and stiff and soulless. It basically validated all of the anti-constructoid critics who point out the flaws with the approaches that place construction on a pedestal to the detriment of intuition and experimentation.
I have a feeling that most of the people who say drawabox sucks haven't attempted it. I just start hearing false shit about it. The guy tells you to seek other sources to learn in lesson 0. To spend half your time drawing stuff you personally find enjoyable and to not get lost in just doing studies. Like literally in lesson 0.
>>7963473Its made by a soulless indian who preaches the assembly line >"too retarded to be an architect and too soulless to be creative" version of art educationI think this modular soulless style of teaching makes you a stunted retard who can draw and shade 3d volumes but can't actually design a holistically good looking picture and drains any potential fun you could be having while making comparable gains on your own with simple dose of critical thinking
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>>7963463The oversupply of guides in general is stunting artists. "Perfect Practice makes Perfect!" is a far worse saying than the one that came before it. People are so scared of not "working smart", of "not doing perfect practice", of "being inefficient and dumb" that they stiffen up and barely draw at all. When they do, its incredibly slow, exhausting, and autistically stiff. DaB leads to the worst version of this. If you just read Perspective Made Easy, or watched a couple videos explaining the basics of perspective, then made 100 drawings of almost anything, you would be in a far better spot than if you went trough his entire course. The oversupply of guides makes everyone question their current method rather than sticking with it for any time, they become worried they're wasting their time, and begin to hop from method to method to method to method. They might even think they're being rational when doing this, when really its just fear in control. How many methods of learning anatomy are there, how many books are there on it, how many methods have you tried? How much time have you spent hopping? Take all that time, then imagine if you'd spent it on even something as dumb as learning the Loomis Mannequin, then gluing muscles onto it from the anatomy pages in his book, while using screenshots of naked F14 characters as reference. Even if you did this with 5/10 effort while listening to music or watching slop on a second monitor, after 50-100 hours of this you almost certainly be *good enough* for whatever you want to draw.If I was going to recommend a beginner anything, it'd be to learn basic perspective, then watch a couple videos from Feng Zhu (an actual professional who runs his own school). EP 89 - Just Draw!, EP 101 - Sketching 101, and DC 90 - 10 Beginner Drawing Tips.>>7964645That's gonna be hard to follow when drawing simple shapes is made to seem like the most amazing fast track to drawing literally anything.
Stop using gpt for every post retard
>>7965648Not every post longer than 3 sentences is AI
>>7965654You wrote that long to say nothing of value. You might as well be AI. Fucking retard
>>7965663I’m not even that other anon you replied to. I just hate retards who can’t be arsed to read more than a few sentences, and I doubly hate that these retards now feel like they have an excuse to persist in their retardation because of AI
>>7965663My post was very important and said a lot. A lot of people here have this issue of worrying too much about what they should be doing. This is happening outside of art as well, people are completely paralyzed and made helpless by all the resources available nowadays.
